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Old 03-07-2009, 08:24 AM   #21
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Amnesty warns of 'lethal' Tasers


Industry claims that Taser stun guns are safe do not stand up to scrutiny and tougher controls over their use are needed, says Amnesty International.

Amnesty wants tougher controls on
the use of Taser stun guns.


Taser guns - used by police forces around the world - deliver a 50,000 volt shock to disable suspects.

A report by the human rights group said Taser shocks caused or contributed to dozens of deaths in the US.

Amnesty urged governments to limit their deployment to life-threatening situations or suspend their use.

In its report on the use of Tasers in the US, Amnesty said between 2001 and August 2008, 334 Americans died after being subjected to a Taser shock, with medical examiners and coroners concluding that at least 50 of the deaths were caused or contributed to by the shocks.


'Open to abuse'

"The problem with Tasers is that they are inherently open to abuse, as they are easy to carry and easy to use and can inflict severe pain at the push of a button, without leaving substantial marks," said the report's author Angela Wright, a researcher at Amnesty International.
They can kill and should only be used as a last resort
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The study - which included information from 98 autopsies - found that 90% of those who died after being struck with a Taser were unarmed and many did not appear to pose a serious threat.

Many were subjected to repeated or prolonged shocks - far more than the five-second "standard" cycle.

Some people were even shocked for failing to comply with police commands after they had been incapacitated by a first shock.

In at least six of the cases where people died, Tasers were used on individuals suffering from medical conditions such as seizures - including a doctor who had crashed his car when he suffered an epileptic seizure.

He died after being repeatedly shocked at the side of the road when, dazed and confused, he failed to comply with an officer's commands.

Amnesty said US police officers also used Tasers on schoolchildren, pregnant women and even an elderly person with dementia.

"Tasers are not the 'non-lethal' weapons they are portrayed to be," said Angela Wright. "They can kill and should only be used as a last resort."


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Tasers and other "conducted energy devices" are used in many countries, including Britain, Canada, France and the United States.


The manufacturers and police forces who use them maintain that studies show they are a safer alternative to using firearms to control dangerous or combative people.

However, the human rights group claims these studies are limited in scope and have pointed to the need for more understanding of the effects of such devices on vulnerable people, including those under the influence of stimulant drugs or in poor health.

"We are very concerned that electro-shock weapons such as Tasers have been rolled out for general use before rigorous, independent testing of their effects." said Angela Wright.

Last Friday, prosecutors in Canada opted not to press charges against four police officers seen on video using a Taser gun on a Polish immigrant in Vancouver airport in October 2007. The 40-year-old man, Robert Dziekanski, died within minutes.
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Old 03-07-2009, 09:00 AM   #22
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that bloke deserved what he got by the looks of it...... im against Tazer use when its totally uncalled for, but that guy was smashing the place up & presented a clear threat to the officers.....???

from what i could make out anyway..



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Old 03-07-2009, 09:28 AM   #23
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that bloke deserved what he got by the looks of it...... im against Tazer use when its totally uncalled for, but that guy was smashing the place up & presented a clear threat to the officers.....???

from what i could make out anyway..

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That 'bloke' whom admittedly did make a scene did not deserve to die! Or do you suppose that if we throw a chair or smash a computer that we deserve to be put to death???

That 'bloke' after many hours of travelling was dehydrated and upon arriving at Vancouver airport and not meeting who he was meant to meet and by not being able to speak English and by the airport officials not wanting to understand his dilemma; he was understandably very confused and frustrated.

So where is your heart? Perhaps you should ask his relatives where your heart is, while you judge the worth of a human such as he was.
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that bloke deserved what he got by the looks of it...... im against Tazer use when its totally uncalled for, but that guy was smashing the place up & presented a clear threat to the officers.....???

from what i could make out anyway..

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Is this a joke???

Do you really think that anyone deserves being electro-shocked with 50,000 volts of for breaking a couple of chairs?

Even if he really smashed the place down; how can that justify killing a man.

Also, if really was a threat to those pigs, isn't a human life more valuable than that of a pig???

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Really, I don't know what's worst: the ones who really agree with torture, or the ones who don't care and take it as a joke!!!
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that bloke deserved what he got by the looks of it...... im against Tazer use when its totally uncalled for, but that guy was smashing the place up & presented a clear threat to the officers.....???

from what i could make out anyway..

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1) Yes, he was "smashing the place up" before the officers came but not after.

2) Not being armed with any lethal weapon himself he could not, in any way, have presented any real threat to those officers who were armed with the Tasers that killed him.

3) I am of the opinion that you must be a complete Moron but am waiting for you to show yourself as otherwise.

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Really, I don't know what's worst: the ones who really agree with torture, or the ones who don't care and take it as a joke!!!
It would be much less of a joke if they themselves received the same treatment. And if they should die from that "treatment," their relatives would not think of it as a frivolous joke.
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It would be much less of a joke if they themselves received the same treatment. And if they should die from that "treatment," their relatives would not think of it as a frivolous joke.
But that's the main problem, that even non-criminals get tortured (and killed) on the streets with these things for no reason. This could happen to any of us at any time; it's not exclusive for criminals.

We are simply treated as cattle (though it's obvious that many act as such).

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Man dies after police use Taser

Posted Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:15am AEST
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http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/news/aud...bertstaser.mp3

A man has died after being tasered by police near Ayr, south of Townsville, in north Queensland.

Police say officers were attempting to arrest the man at Brandon early this morning, after they were called to a domestic incident.

The Queensland Police Union (QPU) says a taser was used because the man had a number of weapons and had injured himself.

Queensland Police Minister Neil Roberts says the investigation into the man's death will examine whether a stun gun was used appropriately.

Mr Roberts says the Ethical Standards Command is investigating and the Crime and Misconduct Commission (CMC) and the Coroner have been notified.

"We need to allow the full investigation of all of those agencies to take place and they will be focusing, I'm sure, very critically on the appropriate use of the taser," he said.

Police say their initial information suggests emergency calls were made to police and ambulance about 2.40am AEST.

Police arrived at the scene about 10 minutes later.

In a statement, police said a naked man was acting aggressively and destroying property at a residence at Brandon.

"The 39-year-old man had allegedly assaulted another occupant of the residence and had damaged property and sustained cuts to his arm," the statement said.

"It is believed that a Taser was deployed and that police managed to physically subdue the man.

"However, before the ambulance could arrive at the scene the man stopped breathing."

Police say efforts to resuscitate the man failed and the incident is being treated as a death in custody.

A report will also be prepared for the coroner.
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Man 'tasered up to 3 times' before death

Posted Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:32pm AEST
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http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200906/r384718_1795119.asx

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Queensland's Police Commissioner says officers may have tasered a north Queensland man up to three times before he died.

The 39-year-old confronted police at a property at Brandon south of Townsville early on Friday morning after allegedly arming himself with an iron bar and broken glass.

He died shortly after being tasered by officers.

Commissioner Atkinson says a post mortem examination of the man's body will be carried out in Townsville tomorrow, with a report to go to the state coroner.

He says the Taser was used "at least on several occasions".

"At least twice, possibly three times," he said.

"And we believe that at least for the first two occasions it was used in what's called 'probe mode' ... where the darts are fired from the Taser."

The Ethical Standards Command is investigating the circumstances surrounding the man's death.

The Queensland Police Union (QPU) has defended the actions of the two officers at the scene.

QPU president Ian Leavers says the man was extremely aggressive, was armed with an iron bar and broken glass, and had harmed himself.

"Police were trying to protect this man, as well as detain him, as well as protect their own lives ... this man was self-harming as well," he said.

"They did all they could to try and assist this man, to save him as much as they can. [They also] had to apprehend him because of his violent nature towards himself and the police."

Commissioner Atkinson has defended the use of Tasers, which he says have been used more than 250 times since they were introduced in Queensland earlier this year.

"From what I know of the matter ... it does not appear to me at all that we should stop the use of Tasers or stop the progression of the Taser roll-out," he said.

Police Minister Neil Roberts says the Ethical Standards Command Unit is investigating and the Crime and Misconduct Commission (CMC) and the Coroner have been notified.

Mr Roberts says the investigation into the man's death will examine whether the stun gun was used appropriately.

"We need to allow the full investigation of all of those agencies to take place and they will be focusing, I'm sure, very critically on the appropriate use of the taser," he said.

Police say their initial information suggests emergency calls were made to police and ambulance about 2:40am AEST.

Police arrived at the scene about 10 minutes later.

In a statement earlier today, police said a naked man was acting aggressively and destroying property at a residence at Brandon.

"The 39-year-old man had allegedly assaulted another occupant of the residence and had damaged property and sustained cuts to his arm," the statement said.

"It is believed that a Taser was deployed and that police managed to physically subdue the man.

"However, before the ambulance could arrive at the scene the man stopped breathing."

Police say efforts to resuscitate the man failed and the incident is being treated as a death in custody.
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Taser death: stun gun fired 28 times

Posted Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:43am AEST
Updated Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:35pm AEST

Civil liberties groups are demanding a more thorough investigation after it emerged a Queensland man who died during an arrest last week may have been tasered by police more than 20 times.

Queensland Police initially told the media the Taser was used up to three times when officers tried to arrest Antonio Galeano during a violent struggle at Brandon, south of Townsville, last Friday.

The 39-year-old collapsed and died a short time after being stunned by the 50,000 volt gun.

Data collected from the weapon reveals it was fired 28 times. The data does not reveal the target.

Further testing is being done but the police union is standing by the officer who fired the weapon.

On Monday, Police Minister Neil Roberts and Commissioner Bob Atkinson suspended any further rollout of the Tasers and ordered the Crime and Misconduct Commission (CMC) to review the use of the gun.

Queensland police say the investigation into the man's death will be completed within a month.

Investigation

The Deputy Commissioner of Queensland Police, Ian Stewart, says it is not clear how many times Mr Galeano was stunned.

He told ABC Radio's AM program that police are trying to work out just how the Taser was activated each time.

"Whether or not they were in probe mode - where the weapon is actually fired and the probes are ejected from the weapon, or whether it was in stun drive mode - where the weapon is placed against a person or an object," he said.

He says there is an ongoing investigation into all of the circumstances involved in the incident.

"I am not going to talk about the specifics of that investigation, only to say that as a result of further information that came to hand from that investigation the review into Tasers has been commenced," he said.

"That is an independent review in terms of our ethical standards and jointly with the CMC in Queensland undertaking a review of our policies, training and monitoring of the use of our Tasers.

"The review is expected to be completed within four weeks and then obviously there is issues to do with the inquiry being conducted by the coroner, but the information that can be released will be released to the public."

Deputy Commissioner Stewart would not comment on whether Mr Galeano was handcuffed when he was tasered.

He says there are significant policies surrounding the use of Tasers and they are used only in serious matters.

"It is a serious use of force option which we make available, next only to the use of a service firearm, and the reality is that the use of Tasers actually saves lives," he said.

He says there is policy in relation to the number of times a Taser can be fired at someone.

"We do have policy in relation to this but it's situational, meaning that we ask our officers to reassess constantly their use of any force option available to them and that includes Tasers."

'Baffling data'

Queensland Police Union acting president Ian Leavers says it is hard to know exactly what happened during the arrest at Brandon last Friday.

"The reported results of the gun's data are baffling, concerning, and I believe are at odds with a number of other crucial pieces of evidence," he said.

"It should be remembered that there are a number of other crucial testing results that will shed more light on the likely cause of death."

Mr Leavers says Mr Galeano was extremely aggressive, armed with an iron bar and broken glass, and had harmed himself before officers tried to arrest him.

He says he is confident the officers involved have been honest and frank during the investigation.

"I've spoken to them at length - I spoke to them in Ayr - and I'm confident they told the truth," Mr Leavers said.

Mr Leavers has called on the State Government to immediately free up funds to install camera attachments on all Tasers.

"I believe at this point in time it is imperative that we have cameras attached to all Tasers because that will record each and every movement everything that happens - than there can be no doubt," he said.

Meanwhile, Queensland Opposition Leader John-Paul Langbroek says the Liberal National Party (LNP) is in favour of Tasers.

"We've always supported the police using Tasers, but clearly there's an investigation into the particular incident and I await that investigation with interest, the outcomes," he said.

"But clearly the police need to have non-lethal methods to use on offenders."
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Please notice the first article. They are not even worried that a man had died due to taser, but if the tasers were used appropriately!!!

What do I care if they used them appropriately, when those torture toys from hell are killing people!!!

Are they going to tell the man's family: "Yes, the taser killed him... but we used it appropriately"

This is just madness!!!

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And our goverments tell us they are against capitol punishment.

This is capitol punishment without trial or conviction,legalised murder of

innocent people or for commiting petty crimes.
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police teaching kids to use stun guns.

totaly in ur face programing,,,, its ok to teach kids to do these kinds of things, just like its ok to teach kids to be soldiers.. no frickin way is it ok!

http://www.truvisiontube.com/media/1...se_stun_guns./
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police teaching kids to use stun guns.

totaly in ur face programing,,,, its ok to teach kids to do these kinds of things, just like its ok to teach kids to be soldiers.. no frickin way is it ok!

http://www.truvisiontube.com/media/1...se_stun_guns./


I can't believe these nazis go around schools demonstrating that torture is fun!!!

Has the world gone completely mad???

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And our goverments tell us they are against capitol punishment.

This is capitol punishment without trial or conviction,legalised murder of

innocent people or for commiting petty crimes.
I saw yesterday the film "Injustice" (http://www.injusticefilm.tv/index.ph...d=44&Itemid=39)

It is obvious that the government has a keen interest in officers killing suspects without any consequences... (and now they found the perfect tool for doing it)

By the way, the film is banned in Britain (wonder why? have a look).

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Watch these videos of cadets tasering each other and learning how to have fun with torture!!!



Even celebs have fun with tasers!!!


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Chicago study calls Taser's safety claims into question

Last Updated: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 | 6:05 AM ET
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Taser stun guns may not be as safe as their manufacturer claims, according to a study carried out by Chicago researchers, CBC News has learned.

The team of doctors and scientists at the trauma centre in Chicago's Cook County hospital stunned 11 pigs with Taser guns in 2006, hitting their chests with 40-second jolts of electricity, pausing for 10 to 15 seconds, then hitting them for 40 more seconds.

When the jolts ended, every animal was left with heart rhythm problems, the researchers said. Two of the animals died from cardiac arrest, one three minutes after receiving a shock.

The findings call into question safety claims made by Taser International, the Arizona company that makes the stun guns, which are used by dozens of police departments across Canada.

According to Taser International's website, "independent medical and scientific experts have determined Taser devices to be among the safest use-of-force options available."

Taser director Mark Kroll has also published a paper called Safety of Taser Electronic Devices, in which he says when electricity kills, it is an immediate death that occurs within four seconds because electricity can't linger in a living being's body "like a poison."

But Bob Walker, one of the lead researchers on the Chicago study, said the fact that one of the pigs died three minutes after being stunned is significant.

"It says that the effect of the Taser shot can last beyond the time when it's being delivered," he said. "So, after the Taser shock ends, there can still be effects that can be evoked and you can still see cardiac effects."

Thomas Smith, the co-founder of Taser International, is set to testify before the parliamentary committee on public safety and national security in Ottawa on Wednesday, where he'll face questions on the safety and use of the weapons.
Officers need to ask questions: researcher

Dr. Andrew Dennis, a Chicago-based trauma surgeon and police officer who worked on the study, said if Tasers can affect pigs, more research needs to be done to study how safe the stun guns are. In the meantime, police should question when, and on whom, they use the devices, he said.

"The officers need to question themselves and ask themselves, 'Is this the appropriate situation for this device?' " Dennis said. "They need to have the understanding that this is not a truly benign device.

"What I would not want to see is an individual police officer thinking that this device can [be] used with impunity, because I think there are certain risks to this device."

Stun gun safety was called into question after Robert Dziekanski, a 40-year-old Polish man, died at Vancouver International Airport after being shocked with a Taser by police on Oct. 14, 2007. Dziekanski's death renewed calls for a moratorium on Taser use.
'The human studies are clearly much more relevant'

Other Taser studies have been done on pigs and humans in the past — some finding medical problems with the stun guns, and others not — but the Chicago researchers said they wanted to do a study where subjects were exposed to longer bouts of the guns' electrical currents.

Because the researchers opted for 40-second jolts, their ethics board wouldn't allow them to use human subjects.

Rick Smith, the CEO of Taser International and company co-founder, doesn't think much can be concluded from the Chicago study because it focused on pigs that weigh less than 100 pounds and have a very different physiology from humans.

Smith said studies done on humans have shown Tasers don't pose a serious health threat.

"The human studies are clearly much more relevant to policy-makers, and to people that are interested in the science of how Tasers affect people," he said.

Dr. Jeffrey Ho, a researcher who has studied stun guns in the past, but was not involved in the Chicago study, stressed that the guns may not have the same effect on people as they did on the pigs in Chicago.

"I think animals are good surrogates for research models in some situations," said Ho, an associate professor of emergency medicine at the University of Minnesota. "In my modelling, I prefer to use humans."

However, pig studies have been used as evidence in arguments for and against stun guns in the past. Even the Taser International website points to studies on pigs in which the outcomes suggest the stun guns aren't a serious safety risk.

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I can't believe these nazis go around schools demonstrating that torture is fun!!!

Has the world gone completely mad???
yes this is the "norm" now.. if kids see this they are just going to think it is funny to shoot people with tazers ( its from the movie "the hangover" but dam.. i have NEVER seen a movie or even a jack-ass style movie, show. where in it they go to schools teaching kids to play with tazors and have fun tortureing, killing.... i mean come on "they shoot him in the face and laugh"
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Smith said studies done on humans have shown Tasers don't pose a serious health threat.
OK Mr Rick Smith, if you are so certain, you volunteer to be Tasered just once or twice, three, five, or more than twenty times, and then come back and tell us that they "don't pose a serious health threat" - if you can.

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Old 03-07-2009, 05:10 PM   #40
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Watch these videos of cadets tasering each other and learning how to have fun with torture!!!
I don't think these were properly tasered, especially the following one, which was an 'exercise' - i.e. just pretending.
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