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Old 20-10-2008, 03:35 AM   #101
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Lies!!! Different countires produce different drugs, Israel has links to Ecstacy, Afghanistan to Heroin, Panama to Cocaine, which means nothing unless you want to use it to make a slur against a nation and a people as you are.

All countries have problems with money laundering and most have weapons programmes which include chemical and biological systems. Most countries have an arms industry and most have pornography, but you want to imply that these are special to Israel and 'Zionism', well they aren't, they are just fairly universal occurences that you want to slur Israelis with for your own racially motivated agenda.
Jerusalem Post, July 6, 2000

"Brazilian police continued to surround the Israeli consulate in Rio de Janeiro in the belief that Israeli vice-consul in Rio Aryeh Scher, wanted on suspicion of running a child pornography ring, had taken refuge there.

However Foreign Ministry officials said Scher has been en route to Israel for the past two days. Scher, who was at one point consul-general in Rio, was declared a fugitive by Brazilian authorities after a search of his apartment on Tuesday yielded what police officials described as evidence it was used for the manufacture of pornographic material, some of them involving underage girls ...

Brazilian authorities notified the Israeli embassy of plans to revoke Scher's diplomatic immunity on Tuesday, prior to the search. By the time police were able to obtain a warrant to search Scher's penthouse, the vice-consul was already on his way back to Israel, where he will face a Foreign Ministry inquiry ...

The investigation that culminated in the search of Scher's apartment began when a 17-year-old girl accused Georges Schteinberg, a 40-year-old Hebrew teacher of using her as a model in pornographic pictures and of distributing them on the Internet. Photographs of nude minors posed on a car with diplomatic plates were discovered in a search of Schteinberg's residence earlier in the week, in addition to massive quantities of pornographic material. Police then traced the car in the pictures back to Scher."

I forgot to mention.
Israeli paedophiles.

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Old 20-10-2008, 07:09 AM   #102
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Leave it to marpat to be the devil's advocate....as usual
You all always resort to this same stupid shit every time your idiocy is pointed out.

He's right. The idea of Zionism being founded on atheists principles is fucking retarded....just more Christian paranoia. The original point of its conception was to create a state where the Jewish culture and religion would be dominant (in the same way that Christian and Muslim states existed). One of the first ideological conflicts to occur in the early days of the Soviet Union was between Zionist Jews who wished to practice their religion and culture openly and the Assimilationist Jews who believed that the culture and religion should be abolished in favor of a Soviet Nationalists identity.

One of the primary political and ideological conflicts currently in Israel is between secular Jews who wish to apply "freedom of religion" secularism to the Nation's policies and the Orthodoxy who wish to retain and even further enforce Israel as an exclusively Jewish state.

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Old 20-10-2008, 08:23 AM   #103
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He's right. The idea of Zionism being founded on atheists principles is fucking retarded....just more Christian paranoia. The original point of its conception was to create a state where the Jewish culture and religion would be dominant (in the same way that Christian and Muslim states existed). One of the first ideological conflicts to occur in the early days of the Soviet Union was between Zionist Jews who wished to practice their religion and culture openly and the Assimilationist Jews who believed that the culture and religion should be abolished in favor of a Soviet Nationalists identity.
zionism = racial supremacism

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One of the primary political and ideological conflicts currently in Israel is between secular Jews who wish to apply "freedom of religion" secularism to the Nation's policies and the Orthodoxy who wish to retain and even further enforce Israel as an exclusively Jewish state.
if you question the "jewish state" principle you can't be elected.
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Old 20-10-2008, 08:27 AM   #104
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Jerusalem Post, July 6, 2000

"Brazilian police continued to surround the Israeli consulate in Rio de Janeiro in the belief that Israeli vice-consul in Rio Aryeh Scher, wanted on suspicion of running a child pornography ring, had taken refuge there.

However Foreign Ministry officials said Scher has been en route to Israel for the past two days. Scher, who was at one point consul-general in Rio, was declared a fugitive by Brazilian authorities after a search of his apartment on Tuesday yielded what police officials described as evidence it was used for the manufacture of pornographic material, some of them involving underage girls ...

Brazilian authorities notified the Israeli embassy of plans to revoke Scher's diplomatic immunity on Tuesday, prior to the search. By the time police were able to obtain a warrant to search Scher's penthouse, the vice-consul was already on his way back to Israel, where he will face a Foreign Ministry inquiry ...

The investigation that culminated in the search of Scher's apartment began when a 17-year-old girl accused Georges Schteinberg, a 40-year-old Hebrew teacher of using her as a model in pornographic pictures and of distributing them on the Internet. Photographs of nude minors posed on a car with diplomatic plates were discovered in a search of Schteinberg's residence earlier in the week, in addition to massive quantities of pornographic material. Police then traced the car in the pictures back to Scher."

I forgot to mention.
Israeli paedophiles.
Yep child abuse,

http://http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24329

http://http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023137.php

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Old 20-10-2008, 08:49 AM   #105
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your such a fool... everyone who is involved in drug buissnes knows that at the very high end of drug smuggling its Isreal...in Sydney its the Isrealis who run things at Kings Cross, and in other cities in Australia, and they use lesser freemasons, Greeks, lebs, croats,italians and many more...even Albanians to do there deeds.

hahaha classic case

]PS; even in legal drugs they act like crims to drug people.
Spartan, I thought you used that sword of yours fighting evil and here you are engaging in that age old bs of attacking the jews, next you'll be telling me that they eat babies.

The worlds drugs are fought over by lots of people of all faith and to say that its ruled by the Jews is just rubbish. Certainly there are no doubt strong pockets of Jewish drug distribution just as there are in every ethnic grouping. Unless you hadn't noticed the most powerful crime sindicates at the moment are Eastern European, Russian, Italian, Pakistani, Afghan, Russian, and on and on.
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Old 20-10-2008, 09:03 AM   #106
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zionism = racial supremacism
It can, yeah. It all depends on that particular individual's personal interpretation of Zionism. Not all that different than the situation in America and its increasingly tenuous relationship with the Christian Right, which often contains elements of subtle and not-so-subtle White Supremacy. All Israelis don't agree on everything, but that's probably too much of a stretch for you to understand.

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if you question the "jewish state" principle you can't be elected.
I'm not even sure what you're referring to here. Elected where? In Israel?
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Old 20-10-2008, 09:07 AM   #107
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It can, yeah. It all depends on that particular individual's personal interpretation of Zionism. Not all that different than the situation in America and its increasingly tenuous relationship with the Christian Right, which often contains elements of subtle and not-so-subtle White Supremacy. All Israelis don't agree on everything, but that's probably too much of a stretch for you to understand.
zionism is a racist ideology, just like talmudic judaism.

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I'm not even sure what you're referring to here. Elected where? In Israel?
in madagascar.
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Old 20-10-2008, 09:19 AM   #108
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zionism is a racist ideology, just like talmudic judaism.
Nah, it's not racist in it's ideology, but can be racist and discriminatory in its application. To insist otherwise only gives Ultra-Conservative Jews an excuse to be racist. I'm quite sure Jews can have independence without the oppression and marginalization of Palestinians.

And there's no such thing as Talmudic Judaism, just as there's no such thing as a Koranist Muslim. The Talmud is used by all denominations of Judaism.

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in madagascar.
I have no idea what the election process involves in Madagascar
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Old 20-10-2008, 09:33 AM   #109
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Nah, it's not racist in it's ideology, but can be racist and discriminatory in its application. To insist otherwise only gives Ultra-Conservative Jews an excuse to be racist. I'm quite sure Jews can have independence without the oppression and marginalization of Palestinians.
it is racist in its essence, and israel should abandon it.

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And there's no such thing as Talmudic Judaism, just as there's no such thing as a Koranist Muslim. The Talmud is used by all denominations of Judaism.
then they're all racists, but maybe you're wrong on this.

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i was talking about israel, your question was eccentric.
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Old 20-10-2008, 09:44 AM   #110
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it is racist in its essence, and israel should abandon it.
Israel wouldn't exist without it. Though they definitely should let go of any possibility of an exclusively Jewish state. It's very outdated.

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then they're all racists, but maybe you're wrong on this.
The stupid quotes you've read, supposedly coming from the Talmud, which people use around here, and which David Icke has even been gullible enough to use, are either misinterpreted or all-out fabrications. If they were not, then those who quote them would refer directly to a copy of the Talmud, rather than to articles that supposedly quote the Talmud. There are numerous online copies of the Talmud, and I challenge you to find a single one of those quotes within them if you think that I am wrong. That goes for anyone else as well.

You can actually find worse things in the mitzvohs of the "Oral" Torah, than you can in the Talmud. (Though they're really no different than what you can find in the archaic texts of any other western religion.)

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i was talking about israel, your question was eccentric.
How are elections conducted in Israel?
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Old 20-10-2008, 09:55 AM   #111
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Israel wouldn't exist without it. Though they definitely should let go of any possibility of an exclusively Jewish state. It's very outdated.
ok, israel now exists and it can live without zionist supremacism.

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The stupid quotes you've read, supposedly coming from the Talmud, which people use around here, and which David Icke has even been gullible enough to use, are either misinterpreted or all-out fabrications. If they were not, then those who quote them would refer directly to a copy of the Talmud, rather than to articles that supposedly quote the Talmud. There are numerous online copies of the Talmud, and I challenge you to find a single one of those quotes within them if you think that I am wrong. That goes for anyone else as well.

You can actually find worse things in the mitzvohs of the "Oral" Torah, than you can in the Talmud. (Though they're really no different than what you can find in the archaic texts of any other western religion.)
i've read shahak's book, dear damaged brain, so you can't fool me.

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democratically, but only for the jews who support the 'jewish state'.
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Old 20-10-2008, 10:06 AM   #112
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ok, israel now exists and it can live without zionist supremacism.
Yeah, they can live without supremacism. Often when a group has experienced oppression, they become blinded to that fact, and feel that the only way to prevent any future oppression is through the oppression of others. Zionism on the other hand is simply the idea of Jewish independence, not supremacy. The more fanatical folks within Judaism might interpret that way, but since when do fanatics have anything but shit for brains?

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i've read shahak's book, dear damaged brain, so you can't fool me.
Exactly as I said. You've read a book which contained those quotes, you've never actually seen or read those quotes in the Talmud itself. As I've said to somebody else regarding this same issue, if I typed out quotes which I claimed came from the Bible, you would most likely look those quotes up in the Bible itself to see if those quotes were authentic. But when it comes to quotes from the Talmud, you'll just assume that the quotes are authentic because you have a prejudice and biased double standard in how you judge other religions aside from your own.

The sad part is that even many of those on here who do not have anti-jewish prejudice still possess and exhibit this double standard of judgment, though I would chalk that up more to sheer laziness and blind following than any form of bigotry.

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democratically, but only for the jews who support the 'jewish state'.
Pretty much what I figured: You have no idea what the political system of Israel involves, so you just assume that it's exactly the same as every other western country. Otherwise, you would've recognized the trick in the question.
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Old 20-10-2008, 10:25 AM   #113
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Spartan, I thought you used that sword of yours fighting evil and here you are engaging in that age old bs of attacking the jews, next you'll be telling me that they eat babies.

The worlds drugs are fought over by lots of people of all faith and to say that its ruled by the Jews is just rubbish. Certainly there are no doubt strong pockets of Jewish drug distribution just as there are in every ethnic grouping. Unless you hadn't noticed the most powerful crime sindicates at the moment are Eastern European, Russian, Italian, Pakistani, Afghan, Russian, and on and on.
Sorry you are correct.... the Jews(per say) are 2nd in command of the drugs.
1st is the Vatican, i dont think the Jews eat babies, i think ALL evil sacrifice babies for "billy the goat".
the rest you mentioned are Street puppets, the middle men, before the bikies and gang groups.
but the"black pope" runs them all. and your right, he aint Jewish
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Yeah, they can live without supremacism. Often when a group has experienced oppression, they become blinded to that fact, and feel that the only way to prevent any future oppression is through the oppression of others. Zionism on the other hand is simply the idea of Jewish independence, not supremacy. The more fanatical folks within Judaism might interpret that way, but since when do fanatics have anything but shit for brains?



Exactly as I said. You've read a book which contained those quotes, you've never actually seen or read those quotes in the Talmud itself. As I've said to somebody else regarding this same issue, if I typed out quotes which I claimed came from the Bible, you would most likely look those quotes up in the Bible itself to see if those quotes were authentic. But when it comes to quotes from the Talmud, you'll just assume that the quotes are authentic because you have a prejudice and biased double standard in how you judge other religions aside from your own.

The sad part is that even many of those on here who do not have anti-jewish prejudice still possess and exhibit this double standard of judgment, though I would chalk that up more to sheer laziness and blind following than any form of bigotry.



Pretty much what I figured: You have no idea what the political system of Israel involves, so you just assume that it's exactly the same as every other western country. Otherwise, you would've recognized the trick in the question.
have you read israel shahak's book, damaged brain?
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Old 20-10-2008, 05:55 PM   #115
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ok, israel now exists and it can live without zionist supremacism.
I agree. Palestine does need to have a government formed with Isreal's help and get over the fact that their people lost an internal civil war, or plan B, join with Israel and stop the suffering of their own people. Muslims and Jewsish people always used to get along before this conflict, so it's not like they don't have much in common. Disputes of the war, bloodshed, and land ownership, Britian, and the United States are the main hinderances to peace and stability in the region. Change can only start from the bottom and work its way up the chain.
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I agree. Palestine does need to have a government formed with Isreal's help and get over the fact that their people lost an internal civil war, or plan B, join with Israel and stop the suffering of their own people.
plan a: immediate israeli withdrawal from the occupied lands.

"their people lost an internal civil war"..? what does it mean?

"does need to have a government formed with Isreal's help"?

"join with Israel and stop the suffering of their own people".?
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Old 21-10-2008, 07:43 AM   #118
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Jesus Christ, very nice vid Stel.
i knew that there was problems among Isrealis, but never knew the pin point truth, as the vid clearly explaines.
Bless that man who is speaking, he is what JC would call "a peace maker"
but dont be fooled, there is fire in his speach, he spoke perfectly.

i did notice the outsiders raveing on, some even in hebrew

one even shouted at him"you dont belong in this country" in a very bad accent.
haha the speaker had a better accent than the man shouting"you dont belong in this country"
as a Greek, i got to FLMFAO at the Zionists comments that where thrown around like gliding demons. and they didnt achive there agenda in the vid.

Peace to the people who are fighting the Zionists, if a Isreali man in Orthodox voice tells you, in the middle of American city, that the Zionists are Evil..why question it?

also, this clears up alot of questions on my part.
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I've been to rallies supporting Palestinians and listened to orthadox Jews like the man in the video speak passionately and eloquently about the need to treat Palestinians fairly. Unfortunately, these people aren't in the majority and those that lead Israel are disgusting supremacists who believe Arabs to be second or third class citizens.

I have no respect for anyone who tries to defends Israel's consistant disregard for human rights.

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I've been to rallies supporting Palestinians and listened to orthadox Jews like the man in the video speak passionately and eloquently about the need to treat Palestinians fairly. Unfortunately, these people aren't in the majority and those that lead Israel are disgusting supremacists who believe Arabs to be second or third class citizens.

I have no respect for anyone who tries to defends Israel's consistant disregard for human rights.
The man in vid, was crearly calling Zionists Evil, even saying they have taken over there politics in a way, he is simply, in a political view, doing exactly what we do, and thats expose the truth, and in his part of the town, its the zionist ruleing, if you listen to vid, he also says ,its against Jewish religious law, to form a state, because they are at the time of a curse from God, and its evil descized as Jews, to go against God and crearte the state, this is very true, if you take into consideration that evil owns\rules all the lands and earth, so this again is just a conflict created by False jews(Zionists) to lets say, piss off God and discretid real Jews, who are at this time, accepting Gods will.

it will always end up, a Faith issue as much as a Dark hidden agendas
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