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Old 06-01-2012, 08:37 PM   #1621
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But, how can it be that black and white?

There are billions of humans on this planet. Every single one of them has a unique background, a unique character, a unique set of memories. They do good things. They do bad things, too, for any number of reasons, and some of these may be entirely understandable.

The divine judgement must take so many factors into account to be truly just. Otherwise, the entire thing is undermined.

Who here can claim to have lived an entirely blameless life, free of sin? Not I.
I can't answer all of your questions.

But, I will say that our role is to have faith in G-d's perfect justice. All things work for the good of those who love G-d.
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Old 06-01-2012, 08:55 PM   #1622
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But, how can it be that black and white?....The divine judgement must take so many factors into account to be truly just..
Do you like Jesus? That's the only thing God is interested in.
If you don't like Jesus, you're f****d!
Jesus said:- "Whoever rejects me rejects God" (Luke 10:16)

I mean, if you went to an Elvis convention and the bouncer asked "Do you like Elvis?", and you answered "No", he'd say "On yer bike mate, you ain't coming in here!"

Same with that select gated community called heaven, it's for Jesus's mates only, they couldn't let just anybody in or it'd be a case of "oops there goes the neighbourhood!"
Think pearly gate- Jesus said "..small is the gate and narrow
the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."(Matt 7:13)


Heck who the hell wouldn't want to be Jesus's mate anyway? He was a thoroughly nice guy..
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Old 06-01-2012, 09:02 PM   #1623
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Do you like Jesus? That's the only thing God is interested in.
If you don't like Jesus, you're f****d!
Jesus said:- "Whoever rejects me rejects God" (Luke 10:16)

I mean, if you went to an Elvis convention and the bouncer asked "Do you like Elvis?", and you answered "No", he'd say "On yer bike mate, you ain't coming in here!"
How exactly can you expect people to follow Jesus if you make him/God out to be a complete egomaniac that only cares whether or not people like him?

What about all of those people in the Third World who have never heard of Jesus?

What if you're a paragon of virtue, but are not religiously orientated?

By contrast, what if you are a complete douche towards everyone, but you like Jesus?

Do you see the problems with this?

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Old 06-01-2012, 09:10 PM   #1624
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Do you like Jesus? That's the only thing God is interested in.
If you don't like Jesus, you're f****d!
Jesus said:- "Whoever rejects me rejects God" (Luke 10:16)
No, he didn't.
He said, "He that repudiates me repudiates him that [commissioned] me."

The Greek word is here is aposteilanta; - he whose power I relay.


So, "He that repudiates me repudiates him who I represent."
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Old 06-01-2012, 09:36 PM   #1625
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..What about all of those people in the Third World who have never heard of Jesus?
What if you're a paragon of virtue, but are not religiously orientated?
By contrast, what if you are a complete douche towards everyone, but you like Jesus?
Do you see the problems with this?
1- God is fair and he'll cut some slack towards those who've never heard of Jesus, just like he cut slack for the humans who lived before Jesus was born-
"In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent"- (Acts 17:30)

2- A Jesus-rejecter is still a Jesus-rejecter even if he's a 'paragon' in worldly terms.
Anyway no true paragon would reject Jesus..

3- If you like Jesus, he's your 'gang leader' and you want to be like him, so you wouldn't want be a douche to anybody..
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Old 06-01-2012, 09:38 PM   #1626
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Jesus said:- "Whoever rejects me rejects God" (Luke 10:16)

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No, he didn't.
He said, "He that repudiates me repudiates him that [commissioned] me."
The Greek word is here is aposteilanta; - he whose power I relay.
So, "He that repudiates me repudiates him who I represent."
Same thing no matter which bible version you're reading..
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Old 06-01-2012, 09:58 PM   #1627
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1- God is fair and he'll cut some slack towards those who've never heard of Jesus, just like he cut slack for the humans who lived before Jesus was born-
"In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent"- (Acts 17:30)

2- A Jesus-rejecter is still a Jesus-rejecter even if he's a 'paragon' in worldly terms.
Anyway no true paragon would reject Jesus..

3- If you like Jesus, he's your 'gang leader' and you want to be like him, so you wouldn't want be a douche to anybody..
So, hypothetically...

I'm a good guy. I don't cause trouble. Don't drink, smoke or do drugs. Don't have sex. I've never done any significant harm to anybody.

But because I don't follow Jesus, have a temper towards morons and people who cause me problems, and enjoy a little pornography now and again, I'm going to burn in Hell?

How does that work?

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Old 06-01-2012, 10:05 PM   #1628
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Jesus said:- "Whoever rejects me rejects God" (Luke 10:16)



Same thing no matter which bible version you're reading..
No it's not.
Where in, "that which I represent" is the suggestion that it is interested in anything,
or will "cut you some slack" if you play your cards right?
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Old 07-01-2012, 03:17 PM   #1629
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This is confusing. If we are to go by the traditional Christian values, promiscuity is wrong, only loving sex for procreation is good. Sexual desires do not cease upon having children.
When you see that theres trouble.

There are 2 kinds of sexual desires
1. good
2. bad

They grab onto the bad and use it in a bad way !!


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Sodomy is Satanic, also, apparently, and has a part to play in mind control and forced demon possession.

Why would we be created with these 'carnal' desires if it is a sin to fulfill them? What is that, a tease?
Bad sodomy can be !!

There are 2 kinds of sodomy
1. good
2. bad



a tease ?
Something much worse.
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Old 07-01-2012, 03:31 PM   #1630
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It is all about the choice.
Red or blue ?

Heres that pesky other hand though,

Destiny can = no choice


In a good way that is !!
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Old 07-01-2012, 04:04 PM   #1631
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So, hypothetically...
I'm a good guy. I don't cause trouble. Don't drink, smoke or do drugs. Don't have sex. I've never done any significant harm to anybody.
But because I don't follow Jesus, have a temper towards morons and people who cause me problems, and enjoy a little pornography now and again, I'm going to burn in Hell?
How does that work?
Good luck mate, just make sure you've got an answer ready when God asks you-"Why didn't you follow my boy?"..

Incidentally as a matter of interest, what will your answer be?
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Old 07-01-2012, 04:08 PM   #1632
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No it's not.
Where in, "that which I represent" is the suggestion that it is interested in anything,
or will "cut you some slack" if you play your cards right?
Stop playing with words and take it on the chin mate-
Jesus said "Whoever rejects me, rejects God" (Luke 10:16)
That seems plain enough..
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Old 07-01-2012, 04:15 PM   #1633
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So, hypothetically...

I'm a good guy. I don't cause trouble. Don't drink, smoke or do drugs. Don't have sex. I've never done any significant harm to anybody.

But because I don't follow Jesus, have a temper towards morons
Get a hold of yourself !

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and people who cause me problems, and enjoy a little pornography now and again, I'm going to burn in Hell?

How does that work?
Your goose is cooked.
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Old 07-01-2012, 04:43 PM   #1634
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It went like this -

PILATE - "I find Jesus not guilty"
PRIESTS - "Whoa bub, he said he was a King so that makes him guilty of treason against your Caesar who's the only true king. If you let a traitor off it'll look bad on your military record and you'll end up sweeping out the latrines in the Colosseum"..
PILATE - "Hmm yes, okay I'd better sign the death warrant to cover my ass"
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Luke 23:22-24-
"And Pilate said to them the third time, Why, what evil has he done? I have found no cause of death in him: I will therefore flog him, and let him go.
But they were instant with loud voices, requiring that he might be crucified. And the voices of them and of the chief priests prevailed.
And Pilate gave sentence that it should be as they required"
Jews hated Jesus and rightly so. He was a terrorist, an enemy of the Roman Empire.

As much as I dislike all the Abrahamic religions, Jesus is the coolest guy out there.
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Jews hated Jesus and rightly so. He was a terrorist, an enemy of the Roman Empire.
As much as I dislike all the Abrahamic religions, Jesus is the coolest guy out there.
Good for you mate, Organised Religion stinks but you've bypassed it to lock onto Jesus..
Jesus said:-"You have one teacher, me" (Matt 23:10)
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Good luck mate, just make sure you've got an answer ready when God asks you-"Why didn't you follow my boy?"..

Incidentally as a matter of interest, what will your answer be?
Well let's see here... I'd have a lot of questions first.

'God, why didn't you send me a small sign of your existence, when it was humbly requested, to inspire my faith and save my soul?'.

Or...

'God, why couldn't you have intervened when people were suffering? What's with the children getting raped and killed? The babies born malformed and dying prematurely?'.

Or...

'God, why did you, an apparently omnipotent being, create such a flawed world in the first place? If it was a 'test', as some people claim, why was it so unfair? What kind of 'benevolent' all-knowing entity would create imperfect humans that need to be tested through suffering to deem them worthy? Why not just create perfect humans in the first place, and spare us all of that pain and anguish?'.

That kind of thing.

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Old 07-01-2012, 07:22 PM   #1637
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Stop playing with words and take it on the chin mate-
Jesus said "Whoever rejects me, rejects God" (Luke 10:16)
That seems plain enough..
Me? Playing with words??
What do you think "translation" is?

I'm looking at the original words, in Greek, that have not been played with.
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Capitalism is being used to get to Socialism.
It's the other way round.
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Capitalism is being used to get to Socialism.
This is true. Both worship at the altar of efficiency, with central planning more efficient than competition*, making Socialism the "improved version" of what Capitalism seeks to be. Socialism is essentially the ultimate "Capitalist" Monopoly. Omnicorp.





* that being the lesson of Ford and Taylor, who discovered that production lines can out produce any amount of artisans.
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Socialism is essentially the ultimate "Capitalist" Monopoly. Omnicorp.
^This is why we've had two world wars and are on the verge of another.

Recommended reading...antony sutton book series

wall street and the bolshevik revolution

http://www.reformed-theology.org/htm...ik_revolution/

wall street and fdr

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13285654/A...Street-and-FDR

wall street and the rise of hitler

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/

It's all about a global monopoly...fascism.
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