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Old 19-04-2018, 05:44 PM   #61
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Perhaps rather than suggesting something is 'iffy' after just reading media reports, it would be better to read something written by aviation experts.

I dare say there are one or two qualified aviation specialists on the forum. (No arm-chair experts please. We have more than enough of those already here on all subjects...)

Then, after reading some informed opinion, anyone should feel free to pull it apart - if they actually know what they're talking about.

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And how would the said aviation experts arrive at a conclusion or theory when the only info they have is via MSM?

Wouldn’t the said aviation experts need to be in possession of all the true facts before arriving at a conclusive answer?
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Old 19-04-2018, 06:03 PM   #62
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If the window fell out what did she hit her head on?... and what part of her got sucked out that they pulled back in?
The frame? Up to her waist, which I would suggest was too wide to squeeze through. I would use the word "luckily" but it doesn't quite seem appropriate

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There's no conspiracy here - it's just not an everyday occurrence is it.
That is the nature of accidents and particularly ones in the air.
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Old 19-04-2018, 06:40 PM   #63
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And how would the said aviation experts arrive at a conclusion or theory when the only info they have is via MSM?

Wouldn’t the said aviation experts need to be in possession of all the true facts before arriving at a conclusive answer?
Indeed, but they'd be in a better position than any of us to know what was likely - even if drawing from the MSM. They'd have a good idea what was likely, what has happened before (if it has), and have a good grasp of misunderstandings and misreporting by the MSM of the known facts.

The MSM is not usually bothered with accurate reporting, especially initially, and hacks are quite happy to write about stuff they don't understand, knowing 95% of the public don't understand/care either.

When the true facts do come to light everyone has moved on and no one gives a **ck.

I think that sums it up...
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Old 19-04-2018, 06:44 PM   #64
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Indeed, but they'd be in a better position than any of us to know what was likely - even if drawing from the MSM. They'd have a good idea what was likely, what has happened before (if it has), and have a good grasp of misunderstandings and misreporting by the MSM of the known facts.

The MSM is not usually bothered with accurate reporting, especially initially, and hacks are quite happy to write about stuff they don't understand, knowing 95% of the public don't understand/care either.

When the true facts do come to light everyone has moved on and no one gives a **ck.

I think that sums it up...
You are right there. WTC7 building was reported to have collapsed when in fact it was still standing.
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Old 19-04-2018, 06:48 PM   #65
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The frame? Up to her waist, which I would suggest was too wide to squeeze through. I would use the word "luckily" but it doesn't quite seem appropriate



That is the nature of accidents and particularly ones in the air.
Yeah I think I'd be gone as I am the person that squeezes through tight spaces.

Kim Kardashian would be ok.

I've been on a plane and saw a crack on the inside window but as it is double layered didn't worry too much - now I'm not so sure I trust those windows.
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Old 19-04-2018, 07:44 PM   #66
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And how would the said aviation experts arrive at a conclusion or theory when the only info they have is via MSM?

Wouldn’t the said aviation experts need to be in possession of all the true facts before arriving at a conclusive answer?
Perhaps people familiar with the industry and aircraft are capable of using their knowledge to consider the incident and say unto themselves Hmm - that's plausible ( as well as Shit that aint supposed to happen) and thus conclude that despite media oddities - the facts stack up. Of course that doesn't prove its not a hoax - It just means its a plausible one and the hoax spotters are misinterpreting the evidence.

Working in the industry doesn't make you an expert etc but they would be somewhat better informed than mr Average Joe - especially if his knowledge is courtesy of Hollywood where a Plane takes 10 minutes to decompress when a door blows out and every one holds on desperately ( Reality if a door buggered of cabin pressure would equalise in about 2 seconds and as for holding on in such a circumstance - Not a chance -
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Old 19-04-2018, 07:48 PM   #67
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I've been on a plane and saw a crack on the inside window but as it is double layered didn't worry too much - now I'm not so sure I trust those windows.
The inside window is simply a Perspex (or similar ) trim cover designed to stop passengers touching the real thing ( carving there initials into the glass etc and yes there are people who do moronic things like this) - stealing life jackets is also popular pass time so always check you do have one - They aren't checked every flight -
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Old 19-04-2018, 07:56 PM   #68
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There's no room for ambiguity in the world of autohoax But seriously, the message it conveys is they stayed out....as in flying with the birds.
With the slipstream effect* and awkward space to work in I doubt you could pull her back if you tried.

Do you remember the BAC 1 11 that lost a flight deck window shortly after take off - and very nearly its captain - his leg got caught which stopped him going straight out and then he was grabbed and held by the cabin crew (possibly flight engineer grabbed him and then cabin crew )

He was smashed bloody, had frost bite injuries to his face arm and eye, the steward also suffered frost bite injuries.



*Ever been pulled by a passing Lorry - now imagine it several times faster and constant.
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Old 19-04-2018, 08:40 PM   #69
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So are you saying seatbelt wouldn't have been effective?
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Old 19-04-2018, 09:49 PM   #70
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So are you saying seatbelt wouldn't have been effective?
Are you saying you are afraid to respond to posts?

I mean seriously, that's 4 or 5 you have ignored completely!

Logic fail: Let's release that she was wearing a seatbelt.

To answer......how tight was it? Loose and it is going to be far less effective. I know this, whenever I have had a window seat at take off, tightly fastened.....my head would easily go through.
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Old 19-04-2018, 10:03 PM   #71
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TG, I think you had one too many coffeeeee. You sound like biting a head of everyone....like someone said before. If you want a response, don't sound like a thong right up your backside.
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Old 19-04-2018, 10:13 PM   #72
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Tg is his normal upbeat self. He just doesn't normally post this high in the forum listings.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHGBQINW0B0


There are reports of blood being spattered over several passenger windows down that side of the plane and most of the photos are avoiding that area.
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Old 19-04-2018, 10:58 PM   #73
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TG, I think you had one too many coffeeeee. You sound like biting a head of everyone....like someone said before. If you want a response, don't sound like a thong right up your backside.
The never ending conveyor belt of trufers who stick their head in the sand. Always the same, run away. Your response is evasive and mildly ad hominem.

So convinced are the trufers that invariably they vacate when their rubbish gets torn to bits. It should be easy to refute what I say, but you simply avoid it.

Half a dozen posts and you've got jack shit to say back
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Old 19-04-2018, 11:12 PM   #74
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If it was sucked using a plastic straw then I'm dead against it.

If a paper straw was used then it has my blessing...
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Old 19-04-2018, 11:27 PM   #75
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Tg is his normal upbeat self. He just doesn't normally post this high in the forum listings.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHGBQINW0B0


There are reports of blood being spattered over several passenger windows down that side of the plane and most of the photos are avoiding that area.
Well thanks for that video but the window seems rather large compared to the modern day windows? I'd imagine you'd have to be like size 8 to squeez into that window let alone thinking if your shoulder, hip and arms to go through...unless it rips somewhere along the way?
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A lesson.
It's better not to take the window seat.

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This is more or less what happened during the Southwest flight from NYC to Dallas which had to land in Philadelphia yesterday after an engine component came loose and blew out a cabin window. The woman in the seat was immediately sucked through the hole and died instantly when her head struck the window (at around the same force as if she were being propelled by a small rocket). About half her body made it out into open air before other passengers managed to pull her back in.?
IF they pulled her back...how are these people managed to do this without being sucked out as well?

And still, no blood around the window, not even bloody fingerprints.

Anyways, if her head was out then chances are that she wouldn't be able to breath and had frost bites? Don't know what altitude they were at though I don't think they were at cruising altitude...perhaps lower.

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airline officials said the 42-year woman would have been totally sucked out the window if she wasn't strapped into her seat.
^ Here is an answer to my question. She didn't get sucked out completely because she had seatbelt on.

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Old 20-04-2018, 12:22 AM   #77
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Whole thing seems bizarre. Not to mention she was a banking Executive with Welles Fargo
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Old 20-04-2018, 12:29 AM   #78
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Well thanks for that video but the window seems rather large compared to the modern day windows? I'd imagine you'd have to be like size 8 to squeez into that window let alone thinking if your shoulder, hip and arms to go through...unless it rips somewhere along the way?

It is and rather square in shape and the design of passenger jets after a spate of early accidents is a huge topic. The important thing is the speed of the event and that the head of the unfortunate person goes out first through the shattering window into a 500+ mph wind which is now turbulent on top of that. The forces involved are large and could probably fracture limbs and hips. The lap belt did just enough to stop her going out completely with the passengers holding her till pressure differential dropped. A full harness would be better.
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Old 20-04-2018, 12:45 AM   #79
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So are you saying seatbelt wouldn't have been effective?
Good point about the seatbeat and those windows are really small. The whole thing looks staged.
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Old 20-04-2018, 07:09 AM   #80
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IF they pulled her back...how are these people managed to do this without being sucked out as well?
How can you keep asking so many daft questions? Does it not compute for you that the problems you see are down to YOUR lack of understanding!! Pressure equalises in a matter of a few seconds. It is the explosive nature of this decompression that causes a person to be pulled out.

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And still, no blood around the window, not even bloody fingerprints.
Explain why there must be blood.

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^ Here is an answer to my question. She didn't get sucked out completely because she had seatbelt on.
Well duhhh.
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