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Old 04-10-2013, 01:30 PM   #921
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I think they are pure in a sense that they haven't yet been corrupted by any external factors.
The "corruption" in inherent to them.

Their beauty is in what they represent the potential for, not in their actual personalities (although we rightly cut them slack because this is what reality is).

If they are helped away from that corruption they can be part of life. If not, their nature is hostile to life and the real (which is why they need adults to look after them).
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Old 04-10-2013, 05:31 PM   #922
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moses didn't see G-d, he saw a burning bush.
Define the word saw for us please.

As in the mythical Moses saw

or the for real snake from wood Moses where we have to go into fantasy and a God who murders innocent children, ---- again.

I prefer the esoteric instead of foolish literalism any day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUV_Xtzz3CQ

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Old 04-10-2013, 05:48 PM   #923
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I've experienced many things, I'm not going to give an explicit "yes" or "no" here.
we will take that as a no.
if you had, you would not be reluctant to admit it.
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Old 04-10-2013, 05:59 PM   #924
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Define the word saw for us please.

As in the mythical Moses saw

or the for real snake from wood Moses where we have to go into fantasy and a God who murders innocent children, ---- again.

I prefer the esoteric instead of foolish literalism any day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUV_Xtzz3CQ

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in the case of moses and the burning bush, moses saw it with his naked eyes.
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Old 04-10-2013, 06:00 PM   #925
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we will take that as a no.
if you had, you would not be reluctant to admit it.
who is "we?"

reluctant to confess to illegal activity on a public forum, imagine that. read that again if it didn't sink in the first time.
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Old 04-10-2013, 06:25 PM   #926
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I wasn't denying that!

Also, it's NDE not NED



You cant. I didn't say you could.

You should re-read my post objectively... rather than just spitting your dummy at anyone who disagrees



No I don't.

& You obviously haven't understood what I wrote.
Have you read these standards books on the topic?


Read Consciousness Beyond Life,The Science of the Near-Death Experience
by by Professor Pim van Lommel, a cardiac surgeon.

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For more than twenty years cardiologist Pim van Lommel has studied near-death experiences (NDEs) in patients who survived a cardiac arrest. In 2001, he and his fellow researchers published a study on Near Death Experiences in the renowned medical journal The Lancet. He, then, wrote the Dutch bestseller Endless Consciousness in 2007; over 100.000 copies were sold in the first year.
The NDE is an authentic experience which cannot be attributed to imagination, psychosis or oxygen deprivation. After such an profound experience, patient’s personalities underwent a permanent change. In Van Lommel’s opinion, the current views on the relationship between the brain and consciousness held by most physicians, philosophers and psychologists is too narrow for a proper understanding of the NDE phenomenon. The author provides examples and ways that our consciousness does not always coincide with brain functions; that consciousness can even be experienced separate from the body


Or the trilogy of books by Robert Monroe. These guys have no religious baggage and try to approach the
subject with as much objectivity as is possible.

And the one fact they all agree on - these dimensional environments are all thought-and subconscious
belief responsive
.

Can you point out to me one reputable researcher in NDE who disputes this?

The problem is what do you think you believe or want to pretend that you believe is not the key- but
what manifests is what you really believe and feel in your subconscious.

I know loads of Catholics who say they 'believe' in certain dogmas .....but deep underneath all that LIES what
they really think and feel....their subconscious beliefs.


In most of us, there is a huge difference between our conscious beliefs and what we really believe and feel
- i.e our subconscious beliefs .

NDE's expose our real programming to ourselves.

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Old 04-10-2013, 07:54 PM   #927
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Have you read these standards books on the topic?
Standard?

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Read Consciousness Beyond Life,The Science of the Near-Death Experience
by by Professor Pim van Lommel, a cardiac surgeon.
Or the trilogy of books by Robert Monroe. These guys have no religious baggage and try to approach the
subject with as much objectivity as is possible.
I don't know of many NDE researchers that have much religious baggage.

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And the one fact they all agree on - these dimensional environments are all thought-and subconscious belief responsive.
Yes that is their theory.

Life is shaped by your perception.

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Can you point out to me one reputable researcher in NDE who disputes this?
No.

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The problem is what do you think you believe or want to pretend that you believe is not the key- but
what manifests is what you really believe and feel in your subconscious.
Exactly

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I know loads of Catholics who say they 'believe' in certain dogmas .....but deep underneath all that LIES what
they really think and feel....their subconscious beliefs.

In most of us, there is a huge difference between our conscious beliefs and what we really believe and feel
- i.e our subconscious beliefs.
Indeed

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NDE's expose our real programming to ourselves.
I thought Icke claimed it was reptilians that live inside the moon that programmed the "matrix".

I already came to these ^^ conclusions from NDE research
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