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Old 06-05-2015, 05:06 PM   #41
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Who calls what's right or left wing? The main reason for UKIP's existence is to GTFO of the EU, a left wing ideal, seeing as the left are supposed to be for the workers an' all.
Well it's quite easy to postulate whether a political party is left or right wing due to the policies they advocate and UKIP is right wing.

You are correct that it's previous incarnation was as The Anti-Federalist League which was changed to UKIP in 1993, but it's original intention was to campaign against the Maastricht Treaty ie GTFO of EU

Here have a little wiki definition of UKIP:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Independence_Party
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Old 06-05-2015, 05:09 PM   #42
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Well it's quite easy to postulate whether a political party is left or right wing due to the policies they advocate and UKIP is right wing.

You are correct that it's previous incarnation was as The Anti-Federalist League which was changed to UKIP in 1993, but it's original intention was to campaign against the Maastricht Treaty ie GTFO of EU

Here have a little wiki definition of UKIP:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Independence_Party
Yeah, and the only way they can fund it is by getting jobs in europe
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Old 06-05-2015, 05:10 PM   #43
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Good as you are posting bollocks anyway ....

Nothing right wing about wanting to Abolish the bedroom Tax , or ATOS Assesments for the Disabled , or No Tax for people on the Minimum wage ...
Good to see you resorting to insults as per usual.

Let me retort - you ignorance of the bigger picture is astounding
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Old 06-05-2015, 05:13 PM   #44
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Well it's quite easy to postulate whether a political party is left or right wing due to the policies they advocate and UKIP is right wing.

You are correct that it's previous incarnation was as The Anti-Federalist League which was changed to UKIP in 1993, but it's original intention was to campaign against the Maastricht Treaty ie GTFO of EU

Here have a little wiki definition of UKIP:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Independence_Party
I know what the MSM refer to them as, there's a bigger picture to the bigger picture you think you know
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Old 06-05-2015, 05:13 PM   #45
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Abolish the bedroom tax

And atos for the disabled

No tax on minimum wage......

Have you thought about voting labour?.....
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Old 06-05-2015, 05:14 PM   #46
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it does sound like no one is going to join a coalition

SNP won't go with blue tories
red tories won't go with SNP
blue tories won't dare say anything about going with UKIPpers
UKIP say no coallition
Plaid Cymru say it depends

the only definites are DUP supporting their london paymasters, everyone else will be by themselves.

Sounds great.
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Old 06-05-2015, 05:14 PM   #47
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Genghis Khan was a lefty - so yeah, UKIP are centrist feeding from and taking votes from all classes, all political parties and all age groups.

You could say that their support is actually very representative of the country as a whole.
I think you'll find that all political parties have supporters from all classes and age groups, so using your logic, every party is representative of the country as a whole.
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Old 06-05-2015, 05:16 PM   #48
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Abolish the bedroom tax

And atos for the disabled

No tax on minimum wage......

Have you thought about voting labour?.....
No they are Not Labour Policies ....and even if they say it they will Not carry them out , Labour are known Liars .
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Old 06-05-2015, 05:18 PM   #49
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I know what the MSM refer to them as, there's a bigger picture to the bigger picture you think you know
I did say to another poster on this thread in case you missed it:

Very good start because we all know that politics is just an illusion and that it will make minimal difference whoever wins the election as it's just a ploy to make the general public believe that democracy exists and that they have a say in how the country is run.
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I did say to another poster on this thread in case you missed it:

Very good start because we all know that politics is just an illusion and that it will make minimal difference whoever wins the election as it's just a ploy to make the general public believe that democracy exists and that they have a say in how the country is run.
Yep, if you want to get shit done, you know who to call
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Old 06-05-2015, 05:19 PM   #51
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Good to see you resorting to insults as per usual.

Let me retort - you ignorance of the bigger picture is astounding
Tell me about UKIPs right wing Policies then ...

Nothing right wing about wanting to Abolish the bedroom Tax , or ATOS Assesments for the Disabled , or No Tax for people on the Minimum wage

Right wing ???
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Old 06-05-2015, 05:19 PM   #52
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Very good start because we all know that politics is just an illusion and that it will make minimal difference whoever wins the election as it's just a ploy to make the general public believe that democracy exists and that they have a say in how the country is run.

UKIP the party is a right-wing party.

Not much more I can add to that
So, there are no left wing parties across Europe opposed to the EU

That seems to be the only criteria you have for your BELIEF that UKIP is right-wing, its clear that opposition to the EU IE the recognition of the loss of sovereignty is an A-political position in favour of the fundamental principle of Demos in Democracy

I would agree that the BELIEF UKIP is right wing is currently common, on account of it being the preferred position of the main stream media in its attempt to contain UKIP

However the facts, such as UKIP's manifesto, speak differently

The fact that the parties policies come not from the executive, but from the membership, and that the membership is 30% ex tory 30% ex Labour 40% entering politics for the first time should speak volumes

But I suppose it depends on whether we are happy to absorb the messages the media projects upon us, and accept those as fact, or think look question and explore for ourselves
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Old 06-05-2015, 05:20 PM   #53
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Very good start because we all know that politics is just an illusion and that it will make minimal difference whoever wins the election as it's just a ploy to make the general public believe that democracy exists and that they have a say in how the country is run.




Having theories and ideas and opinions about the status quo is one thing shifting the view of a huge electorate is quite another.


Crushing the long term two party consensus is a good start.

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No they are Not Labour Policies ....and even if they say it they will Not carry them out , Labour are known Liars .
Politicians from all sides are known liars............
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Old 06-05-2015, 05:21 PM   #55
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Having theories and ideas and opinions about the status quo is one thing shifting the view of a huge electorate is quite another.


Crushing the long term two party consensus is a good start.

Plus the MILLIONS that now realise how Bias the BBC is ...now that is a Bonus
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Having theories and ideas and opinions about the status quo is one thing shifting the view of a huge electorate is quite another.


Crushing the long term two party consensus is a good start.
It's the only start.
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Having theories and ideas and opinions about the status quo is one thing shifting the view of a huge electorate is quite another.


Crushing the long term two party consensus is a good start.
Damn right

In fact, its an essential first step to creating something much much better

Interestingly though, apparently intractable mass opinion can shift remarkably quickly, its a long time to get to the tipping point, but when it tips, it is a cascade

One of the things the result of this election is likely to achieve is a lot of dissatisfaction with the weak government sure to come about, from ALL sides

That's going to create a lot of pressure to change FPTP for PR

The only justification for FPTP is that it produces "strong" governments, and if it can't do that, the argument to make every voice count is going to sound very loud

And that's awesome news for UKIP looking at the geopolitical landscape ahead
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Politicians from all sides are known liars............
Nope, nein, no, niet. Ukip are a new special breed of politician that are totally altruistic and honest, ask grannie.
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Tell me about UKIPs right wing Policies then ...

Nothing right wing about wanting to Abolish the bedroom Tax , or ATOS Assesments for the Disabled , or No Tax for people on the Minimum wage

Right wing ???
OK, just for you a little definition of what right wing is and what policies UKIP have that meet that criteria:

Right wing beliefs value tradition, they are about equity, survival of the fittest, and they believe in economic freedom. They typically believe that business shouldn’t be regulated, and that we should all look after ourselves. Right wing people tend believe they shouldn’t have to pay for someone else’s education or health service. They believe in freedom to succeed over equality.

In the UK the main right wing parties are the Conservative (or Tory) Party, and UKIP (who focus on the UK not being a part of the European Union). They believe that if you have more money, you should get to keep it, and buy better education and health services for yourself. They believe that businesses should be less regulated, and that the more money they earn, they’ll bring more benefits to the country.

And as for your parroting of 'Nothing right wing about wanting to Abolish the bedroom Tax , or ATOS Assesments (sic) for the Disabled , or No Tax for people on the Minimum wage' - I don't believe it for one moment, seems to me that these policies would go the same way of the Libdem 'No Tuition fees' if they ever got to be in power
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Right wing beliefs value tradition, they are about equity, survival of the fittest, and they believe in economic freedom. They typically believe that business shouldn’t be regulated, and that we should all look after ourselves. Right wing people tend believe they shouldn’t have to pay for someone else’s education or health service. They believe in freedom to succeed over equality.

In the UK the main right wing parties are the Conservative (or Tory) Party, and UKIP (who focus on the UK not being a part of the European Union). They believe that if you have more money, you should get to keep it, and buy better education and health services for yourself. They believe that businesses should be less regulated, and that the more money they earn, they’ll bring more benefits to the country.
Seems reasonable enough
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