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Old 12-05-2014, 10:49 AM   #21
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i take an interest in the world i live in.
i have a great love for britain and have traveled widely on your isles many times over the years.
is it strange i should be interested in british life?
No not at all , its strange you seem to have it in for one Party the one party that wants us out of the EU, with a slight chance to make a difference ,thats all .
Plus repeating the usual MSM mantra .."Racist" "Fascist" etc etc ....
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Old 12-05-2014, 10:56 AM   #22
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Especially an unelected EU one .....
Is that why you're voting for ukip in Eu elections
To represent us in an "un elected Eu one" .
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Old 12-05-2014, 11:11 AM   #23
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No not at all , its strange you seem to have it in for one Party the one party that wants us out of the EU, with a slight chance to make a difference ,thats all .
Plus repeating the usual MSM mantra .."Racist" "Fascist" etc etc ....
This one party that wants out of europe is more keen than most to be elected to sit in the Eu
If it wanted out it should run in national elections and opt the uk out not
Sit in Brussels saying this is shit I wish I wasn't here

Farage and co fans say the Eu is unelected I'm sorry but wtf they are hoping to be elected
And running a massive campaign to ensure they are elected .
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Old 12-05-2014, 11:22 AM   #24
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This one party that wants out of europe is more keen than most to be elected to sit in the Eu
If it wanted out it should run in national elections and opt the uk out not
Sit in Brussels saying this is shit I wish I wasn't here

Farage and co fans say the Eu is unelected I'm sorry but wtf they are hoping to be elected
And running a massive campaign to ensure they are elected .
The EC is unelected this is the body in the EU that make ALL of the FINAL decisions ,MEPs can vote but their vote is pretty useless...if you dont understand how it works stop trying to debate the issue,go and do some reading up on how the EU works please .
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Old 12-05-2014, 12:39 PM   #25
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The EC is unelected this is the body in the EU that make ALL of the FINAL decisions ,MEPs can vote but their vote is pretty useless...if you dont understand how it works stop trying to debate the issue,go and do some reading up on how the EU works please .
Cheers grannie,
you saved me the trouble of repeating myself again.
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Old 12-05-2014, 12:43 PM   #26
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here is a fun little quiz.
can you tell the difference between the UKIP and facists?
http://www.remarkably.com/ukip-fascist/
I wonder if you could be so kind as to define fascism for me,

thank you in advance.
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Old 12-05-2014, 03:17 PM   #27
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I wonder if you could be so kind as to define fascism for me,

thank you in advance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
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Old 12-05-2014, 04:29 PM   #28
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i take an interest in the world i live in.
i have a great love for britain and have traveled widely on your isles many times over the years.
is it strange i should be interested in british life?
Maybe if you actually lived in the country you'd be better placed to understand why UKIP are attracting so much support?
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Old 12-05-2014, 04:31 PM   #29
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Maybe if you actually lived in the country you'd be better placed to understand why UKIP are attracting so much support?
are racists and fascists the only way out of the EU?
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Old 12-05-2014, 04:58 PM   #30
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are racists and fascists the only way out of the EU?
They are NO WAY out of the EU thats why UKIP is so popular ....
neither Fascist or Racist
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Old 12-05-2014, 06:19 PM   #31
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Come on in your own words not using a wikipedia page.
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Old 12-05-2014, 06:43 PM   #32
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Come on in your own words not using a wikipedia page.
I looked at the "WIKI" page posted...as George Orwell said it a very over used word .
I have just heard on IPlayer(Daily Politics) a black man who opposes UKIP and leads the thugs to UKIP events to cause disturbance say "UKIP is NOT a Fascist Party "...the same thugs who screamed at a Black Jewish woman of 60 that she was a Racist Sellout and Uncle Tom .....For some reason he is upset that some members do not embrace homosexuality,same sex marriage or open door immigration.....so much for free thought and speech .

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Old 12-05-2014, 08:23 PM   #33
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Thank you,

however there does not appear to be a definitive definition under the heading definition,
it says the exact nature of fascism is widely debated,
maybe you could clear this up and explain how it applies to ukip.
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Old 12-05-2014, 08:40 PM   #34
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I wonder if you could be so kind as to define fascism for me,
I'll try answering.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union

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Old 12-05-2014, 09:50 PM   #35
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This isn't an attack on UKIP, it's part of a well orchestrated, polymorphous, and increasingly hysterical attack upon anything that threatens the hegemony of the socio-cultural/political elite; an elite that is served by all mainstream parties 90% of the media, especially the BBC. This elite represents about 20% of the population but frames all of the cultural narrative and has near total cultural dominance. The attack on UKIP is not a fight against bigotry, it is the defence of privilege.

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Old 12-05-2014, 10:16 PM   #36
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Many voters will vote UKIP this month simply as a way of telling the coalition government to feck off.
Traditional Tories who vote UKIP in these upcoming Euro elections will likely to revert to voting tory next year in the general election.

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Old 12-05-2014, 10:29 PM   #37
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Many voters will vote UKIP this month simply as a way of telling the coalition government to feck off.
Traditional Tories who vote UKIP in these upcoming Euro elections will likely to revert to voting tory next year in the general election.
I think you are wrong GMP very very wrong ...I think people are seeing the shite for the real colour it is ....I think Many will now be willing to take a chance on the unknown rather than re electing the three that have proven for decades ,they are just not up for the job ....School boys who have never held a job down should not be running a Country .
All you have just done is repeat the MSM mantra .....that every fucking hired BBC, SKY, ITV talking heads have said over and over ....it does not make it fact or true .
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This isn't an attack on UKIP, it's part of a well orchestrated, polymorphous, and increasingly hysterical attack upon anything that threatens the hegemony of the socio-cultural/political elite; an elite that is served by all mainstream parties 90% of the media, especially the BBC. This elite represents about 20% of the population but frames all of the cultural narrative and has near total cultural dominance. The attack on UKIP is not a fight against bigotry, it is the defence of privilege.
Can I buy you a Drink ....well said !
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Old 12-05-2014, 10:40 PM   #39
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Remind me again how many Europeans voted on whether to accept the Lisbon treaty?
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Old 12-05-2014, 10:49 PM   #40
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I think you are wrong GMP very very wrong ...I think people are seeing the shite for the real colour it is ....I think Many will now be willing to take a chance on the unknown rather than re electing the three that have proven for decades ,they are just not up for the job ....School boys who have never held a job down should not be running a Country .
All you have just done is repeat the MSM mantra .....that every fucking hired BBC, SKY, ITV talking heads have said over and over ....it does not make it fact or true .
I don't know about next year Grannie it's just what I reckon.
Speculating here, not predicting.
Time will tell.
Going off what I hear I'm sure UKIP will do well this month though.
This is a very Tory Shire, I'm a bowler and bowlers are a pretty Tory oriented crew.
Talk at bowls teas tends towards " I'm voting UKIP this time."
We'll know for sure soon enough.
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