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Old 08-11-2014, 06:32 PM   #21
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I don't wanna be hip and cool
I don't wanna play by the rules
Not under the thumb of the cynical few
Or laden down by the doom crew


Never knew those were the lyrics, I was a teenager when that came out.
No point in spreading a message if the words can't be discerned!



Jones, Kershaw and their ilk [Thompson Twins for example] were perceived as pretty uncool compared with the Smiths, Bunnymen, New Order etc but they sound like the Velvet Underground compared with today's pop drivel.
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Old 08-11-2014, 06:43 PM   #22
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Nik Kershaw's first three albums were great. My favourite of his is Faces and Dancing Girls.
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I don't wanna be hip and cool
I don't wanna play by the rules
Not under the thumb of the cynical few
Or laden down by the doom crew


Never knew those were the lyrics, I was a teenager when that came out.
No point in spreading a message if the words can't be discerned!

Jones, Kershaw and their ilk [Thompson Twins for example] were perceived as pretty uncool compared with the Smiths, Bunnymen, New Order etc but they sound like the Velvet Underground compared with today's pop drivel.
I was able to hear the lyrics but I think his image (with the dancer, especially) probably overshadowed the message of the songs. Weird when that happens.

Too right with a lot of bands that were considered lightweight in the 80s.

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Old 10-11-2014, 11:04 AM   #24
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Nik Kershaw's first three albums were great. My favourite of his is Faces and Dancing Girls.
Running Scared is a good one. Just had a look at the lyrics, there's some depth to them. I only heard the singles though. He was into Stevie Wonder (you hear it in his vocals), those great 70s albums, so it's not surprising the kind of songs he was writing.

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Old 10-11-2014, 07:04 PM   #25
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I was able to hear the lyrics but I think his image (with the dancer, especially) probably overshadowed the message of the songs. Weird when that happens.

Too right with a lot of bands that were considered lightweight in the 80s.
Howard Jones was very much awake in the 1980s. Most of his songs have wise lyrics. This one, I think, sums up what David Icke tries to tell us about who we really are:

Conditioning - from Human's Lib (1984):

Well you're not, you're not who you think you are
Well we think that you are John or Dave
But you're not, you're not who you think you are
Jumbled mass of preconceived ideas

From our birth we were given an identity
People told us we were great or small
From our birth we were given rules of right or wrong
Not forgetting the bullies at school

The world teaches us to think that life is full of limitations
The world tries to make us think that there are loads of limits
The world teaches us to think that life is full of limitations
The world tries to make us think that there are loads of limits

Welcome to conditioning
Welcome to conditioning

And as the world makes us feel great
And as the world makes us feel small
Oh, so convinced of our identity
If we only knew it we just can't believe it we just won't believe it

Leading us to think that we are such a success
Conning us to think that we are just a failure
Leading us to think that we are so intelligent
Conning us to think that we are just a do-do do-do...
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Old 08-01-2015, 06:34 PM   #26
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(The lyrics are kind of hidden under that 80s wall of synth, which is a shame. I like the song though.)

Neon glistens and shadows wave
Who know whether we're stupid or brave
And they way we are
Oh we are
Running scared

No use fighting in the name of pride
When there probably isn't any place to hide
And the two of us
Running scared

They're fakin' their peace and makin' their tracks
They're watching you, watching them, watching your backs
And they know we are
Oh we are
Running scared

Running scared
From hearsay and hate
Fatality and fate
St peter's pearly gate
On the run
To merciful release
Where paranoias cease
And an everlasting peace
Is not a gun

We could be pushing it much too far
Well maybe we, maybe, just maybe we are
And the both of us
Both of us
Running scared

Excuse me officer, don't you know
That this is the place where you people don't go
Here we go
Here we go
Running scared

Running scared
From hearsay and hate
Fatality and fate
St peter's pearly gate
On the run
To merciful release
Where paranoias cease
And an everlasting peace
Is not a gun

Running
Running scared

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Old 08-01-2015, 06:44 PM   #27
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Gigi Dagostino does a great version of the riddle
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Old 08-01-2015, 06:51 PM   #28
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Howard Jones was very much awake in the 1980s. Most of his songs have wise lyrics. This one, I think, sums up what David Icke tries to tell us about who we really are:

Conditioning - from Human's Lib (1984):

Well you're not, you're not who you think you are
Well we think that you are John or Dave
But you're not, you're not who you think you are
Jumbled mass of preconceived ideas

From our birth we were given an identity
People told us we were great or small
From our birth we were given rules of right or wrong
Not forgetting the bullies at school

The world teaches us to think that life is full of limitations
The world tries to make us think that there are loads of limits
The world teaches us to think that life is full of limitations
The world tries to make us think that there are loads of limits

Welcome to conditioning
Welcome to conditioning

And as the world makes us feel great
And as the world makes us feel small
Oh, so convinced of our identity
If we only knew it we just can't believe it we just won't believe it

Leading us to think that we are such a success
Conning us to think that we are just a failure
Leading us to think that we are so intelligent
Conning us to think that we are just a do-do do-do...
Pretty much nails it.
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Old 08-01-2015, 06:55 PM   #29
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Gigi Dagostino does a great version of the riddle
Could you post it?
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Old 08-01-2015, 09:20 PM   #30
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My favorite eighties band are The Smiths of course, but I love the work of David Sylvian, I find him one of the most sincere and spiritual writers and his voice is truly unique, I guess you can easily describe him as half way between Bowie and Gabriel, but not such a big ego as them and no one has heard of him. His stuff with Japan was great, especially the song Ghosts.
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Old 08-01-2015, 09:38 PM   #31
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Could you post it?
I would if I was able, I'm nearly illiterate when it comes to using an ipad or computer
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Old 12-05-2015, 07:08 PM   #32
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Radio Musicola

How true of now as well as then. Good music as well, though as with another track I posted earlier ('Running Scared'), I feel the backing overwhelms the voice/lyrics.



Black vinyl man with black plasticised imagination
More fodder for the new lost generation
I got a question to send you to the nearest closet
"Why can't you let us do it like Joni does it?"
There you go again, giving it your very best
trying so hard to make it sound like all thee rest
And as your factory sanctifies your wooden soul
you gave us T.V. dinners, now it's T.V. rock 'n' roll

We're growing up
We're growing up
To radio musicola
We're growing up
We're growing up
To radio musicola

I got political inclinations to announce
but no way, if it doesn't scan with your accounts
I got some spiritual ideology for you
I know it's gotta correspond with the corporation view

We're growing up
We're growing up
To radio musicola
We're growing up
We're growing up
To radio musicola

You can find it in the streets
You can find it in the elevators
You can find it where the ladies wash their hands
It emanates from little boxes on the wall and it'll
soon be coming in disposable tin cans

My soul shows art to me, but dollars says my radio
Wall Street liquid lunches showing us the way to go
Why tolerate this numismatical polity?
There isn't any other way, there isn't any other way, more's the pity

We're growing up
We're growing up
To radio musicola
We're growing up
We're growing up
To radio musicola

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Old 16-05-2015, 02:22 PM   #33
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i love this song. i think kershaw was awake. in an interview he said the lyrics were just jibberish, but i suspect they have deeper meaning. i suspect it was an encripted warning....

other songs on the Riddle album speak about how materialism will destroy the world called "everything coming up roses"

another one called "easy" speaks of how petty tyrants such as traffic wardens and bouncers will become the henchmen of the system.

and yet another song on the same album called "save the whale" is very haunting and powerfull.


Nick Kershaw was/is a dude IMO
Probably is gibberish from the part of his subconscious mind where he stored what he read about the Hobbit after smoking dope!
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My favorite eighties band are The Smiths of course, but I love the work of David Sylvian, I find him one of the most sincere and spiritual writers and his voice is truly unique, I guess you can easily describe him as half way between Bowie and Gabriel, but not such a big ego as them and no one has heard of him. His stuff with Japan was great, especially the song Ghosts.
David Sylvian is unique. I have loved him since I was thirteen in 1982. I met him in 2007 at Manchester Bridgewater Hall and gave him a big hug :-)
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Everyone who's said his music was deep in the 80s is absolutely spot on.

Here's another one of his hits. It pretty much describes the journey of the soul. Being born, temporarily forgetting who you are etc.

"Hide And Seek"

There was a time when there was nothing at all
Nothing at all, just a distant hum
There was a being and he lived on his own
He had no one to talk to, and nothing to do
He drew up the plans, learnt to work with his hands
A million years passed by and his work was done
And his words were these...

Hope you find it in everything, everything that you see
Hope you find it in everything, everything that you see
Hope you find it, hope you find it
Hope you find me in you

So she had built her elaborate home
With it's ups and it's downs, its rains and its sun
She decided that her work was done, time to have fun
and she found a game to play

Then as part of the game
She completely forgot where she'd hidden herself
And she spent the rest of her time
Trying to find the parts

Hope you find it in everything, everything that you see
Hope you find it in everything, everything that you see
Hope you find it, hope you find it
Hope you find me in you

There was a time when there was nothing at all, nothing at all
Just a distant hum
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it's just jibberish, like he said. if you've ever tried to write a song you'll know how difficult it is, let alone load it with hidden meanings and make it sound good,

it's just the words that fit and rhyme...
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Old 13-01-2018, 01:56 AM   #38
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Posted in this thread already and just because original video is now a no show..... oh the memories. Nothing to add to the subjective hidden meanings of Nik Kershaw, but if it wasn't for him where would i be. Not on this forum possibly

So nostalgic for the past these days and much needed addition to post count





Full Album " The Riddle" for anybody thats interested and wants to find meaning that is possibly not there

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It reminds me of another one of his major hits, "I Won't Let The Sun Go Down On Me". There's a Youtube interview with him talking about it, can't find it at the mo. As one or two posters on this thread will be aware, it was written about how corporations pollute the environment, or on those lines. Yet on listening to it, I doubt most would actually have discerned that back then, and probably not now.

Apparently he originally wanted to do the song in a slower, more acoustic, Joni Mitchell-styled approach that would have put more emphasis on the message - but the producer took it in another direction. Again, because the song has that jaunty chorus, coupled with his image at the time, this would have obscured the message further. Though it does work as a pop song.

That's the thing with pop songs with a 'political' message - writers can either make it really obvious, even to the point of a soapbox, or they can be a bit more subtle.

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