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Old 04-01-2018, 04:28 PM   #361
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The system didn't want another firebrand like Marley, even though after his death, a number of artists could have stepped into that vacuum.
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Old 04-01-2018, 05:59 PM   #362
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Perfect snapshot of sound system culture in 70s/early 80s Britain. With a fantastic soundtrack.

Thanks for that, a decent film and I love the 80's

But for a good laugh, watch it with the auto generated english subtitles on

really funny dont think googles AI can work it out

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Old 04-01-2018, 06:10 PM   #363
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Thanks for that, a decent film and I love the 80's

But for a good laugh, watch it with the auto generated english subtitles on

really funny dont think googles AI can work it out
Who says computers are going to take over, eh? So much of the lingo has now filtered into mainstream culture, but AI is light years behind.

I love the grittiness of the film, just as many British films were back then. And it captured the times pretty much perfectly.
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Old 08-01-2018, 10:11 AM   #364
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ragga and reggaeton destroyed reggae.

its not about life, faith, problems, slavery, corrupt goverments etc. anymore, they destroyed it like they did hip-hop.

but since morons like to hear people talk about rented cars, rented jewelry and rented video whores these 'artists' still are relevant
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Old 08-01-2018, 10:21 AM   #365
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ragga and reggaeton destroyed reggae.

its not about life, faith, problems, slavery, corrupt goverments etc. anymore, they destroyed it like they did hip-hop.

but since morons like to hear people talk about rented cars, rented jewelry and rented video whores these 'artists' still are relevant
I remember when the change happened, it was around 1984/5 when the music went digital. Looking back, some of that music was OK but not a patch on what preceded it.

The digital/ragga age coincided with a new generation of deejays who'd come of age in post-independence Jamaica. Reggae had been a child of the 1960s, with all the idealism, black consciousness and political activism of that era - especially from the US, which coincided with Jamaica's independence. That started to unravel by the mid 70s and 80s, when there was warring political factions, guns and drugs being ushered into the island.

So by the mid 80s, you had younger artists who were a product of the chaos. In the 80s, the government was more USA friendly, with Edward Seaga as the prime minister - 'CIAga' as he was referred to by some of the population. This was reflected in the change in the music. The previous PM Michael Manley was socialist, but he leaned more towards seeing Jamaica as part of a bigger 'Third World'.

In the 21st century there's been a resurgence of the original spirit of the music but I don't think it's as powerful as first time round.

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Old 12-01-2018, 12:15 AM   #370
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The system didn't want another firebrand like Marley, even though after his death, a number of artists could have stepped into that vacuum.


I'm starting to think marley was somewhat a fraud or became very corrupted + he's definitely not the best reggae artists of all time. voice wise, and even his best tracks don't compare to others best tracks.
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I'm starting to think marley was somewhat a fraud or became very corrupted + he's definitely not the best reggae artists of all time. voice wise, and even his best tracks don't compare to others best tracks.
Would have been good if you'd fleshed out your post with actual examples, but let's explore that for a moment.

Firstly, any reggae fan knows there was a number of brilliant artists putting out music at the same time as Marley, and after. He himself said there were better singers in his generation, Dennis Brown for one. Now, I love Dennis Brown as a singer and writer but for sheer consistency and quality of work, I wouldn't put most of his output on the same level.

Musically, his work was the model and in the vanguard for other aspiring reggae artists to emulate, and this is whilst Marley was still an underground and relatively marginal figure. So it isn't based on media hype and it was long before he became "canonised" posthumously. It's still the benchmark for reggae musicians to attain.

Marley also could have treated the Wailers better in terms of making sure they got royalties, as Peter Tosh did. It probably wasn't helped by the fact that he had a truly corrupt manager (Don Taylor) who stole from him during his six year tenure. Smoking lots of weed also isn't conducive to being on the ball with business affairs!

He had lots of children with other women whilst still married to Rita Marley, and lots of liaisons. He indulged the star's lifestyle, just as I'm sure most would in his situation. The guy wasn't a saint but the good things he did far outweigh the human failings, and it's by the work I measure him. Also, show me any popular artist, or any human being for that matter, who doesn't get "corrupted" in some way.
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Tenor Saw is the GOAT imo even though his work was limited. Ive never heard better reggae then that. Every song he made was tops
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Tenor Saw is the GOAT imo even though his work was limited. Ive never heard better reggae then that. Every song he made was tops
He might mean more to you, but much as I like Ring The Alarm, I completely disagree with your assessment. For a start, most of his music is based on sampled original rhythm tracks from the 60s and 70s - including the song I mentioned.

So he didn't create anything other than adding his voice to what was already there, as many singers and djs of the 80s did - and are still doing. The old tunes weren't substantially changed. It's like taking some early 90s 'G-funk' rapper and saying they were greater than George Clinton, when the bulk of that music is based upon old Funkadelic/Parliament samples.

On that basis, he nowhere near qualifies as 'the greatest of all time'.

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Old 12-01-2018, 08:55 PM   #374
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Here in London we used to hear reggae played out of cars, houses and some shops but no more. Last one I recall was about 4 years ago, a Caribbean green grocer used to have loud old school reggae playing, but when he sold up it stopped.
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best reggae voice and songwriter then. barrington levy is not far behind him
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best reggae voice and songwriter then. barrington levy is not far behind him
Seen Barrington Levy a couple of times, back in the 80s and in 2003. He's still in good voice.
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Seen Barrington Levy a couple of times, back in the 80s and in 2003. He's still in good voice.
good on him (and you)..

so you've probably posted 'under mi sensi'
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good on him (and you)..

so you've probably posted 'under mi sensi'
I haven't posted that one, but that was the era in which I saw him. Prison Oval Rock is another favourite.

There are two versions of this song, this one being my favourite. He was still quite young when he recorded it.

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trance out a bit to this

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Robert Elms on Radio London still plays his classic reggae!
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