How hard would it REALLY be to carry out a hoax event ? - Page 3

atlantabizgal · 12-09-2017, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by truegroup

This is a perfect example of ignorant youtube buffoons convincing the gullible. Every single thing in that dumb video has a simple braindead explanation.

No, really they aren't.

Nope.

Correct, only it's you who is getting fooled

The ISS has been inhabited for 17 years. Technology may be around in the last 5 or so that makes CGI possible, with considerable time and effort, but certainly not on video from the early days. Films that use CGI take months to do short sequences!

This came up in a flatnut thread in the rant room.

https://forum.davidicke.com/showpost...&postcount=446

OK, let's look at this stupid bloody video.....

1. Clip one is not a live feed. It is from an edited program that uses a simple overlay mask to obscure the soft toy.

2. Next we see some ridiculously incomparable Microsoft virtual reality that is NOTHING whatsoever like real images. It is at best good game level.

3. Next we have a reference to a company specialising in green screen backgrounds. NASA uses them for its educational TV shows that are outsourced.

4. Next we see Tim Peake with a grid behind him during an experiment with a tennis ball. The squealing ISS deniers go apoplectic whilst not realising this was footage used for a BBC educational program and the grid is nothing to do with a green screen background anyway

5. A "LOL" at a video transmission artefact of his hand and a microphone

6. Bare assertion "contact lens" claim because one astronaut has eyes that the idiot yoootubber thinks are odd

7. The arm "glitch" is a video artefact

8. Idiotic narrative talks about "tracking software"

, it's a video artefact again. This is a fast moving object with transmissions going through multiple relays and onto the internet via multiple generations of video copies!

9. At 5:01 the crap about his arm reaching for something is covered in the Rant room link...an innocent gesture to move his shirt sleeves. Since they are both effortlessly handing the cap between themselves, what exactly is claimed that he is "handling".

10. The so called harness also covered....yet supporting somebody from the waist like that is ridiculous in terms of balance. The bit sticking up is curved and not taut.

11. The last one is piffle. Nothing wrong with it at all.

Now what, you respond to all this? Ignore it?

You are basically claiming that the ISS......

which has provided THOUSANDS of hours of footage, has 135 space shuttle launches, is visible to anyone with eyes, very visible to anyone with a telescope, radar and comms trackable with receiving software

.......is fake.

And this because some absolute imbecile on youtube puts up a video and sucks people in

Your response is frankly why the public isn't engaged in critical and open debate on controversial issues. People fear being ridiculed, its just not worth it to them.
It has been my experience that those are sincerely interested in getting at the truth do not engage themselves in ridiculing others opinions but rather want to hear all sides of the issue to determine truth within their own minds.
As long as there exists those whose only intent on sites like this is to ridicule the person instead of the argument there will never be intelligent public debate.
People who do lend themselves to ridicule of others do not bother me, I just chuckle and continue on.

truegroup · 12-09-2017, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by atlantabizgal

Your response is frankly why the public isn't engaged in critical and open debate on controversial issues. People fear being ridiculed, its just not worth it to them.
It has been my experience that those are sincerely interested in getting at the truth do not engage themselves in ridiculing others opinions but rather want to hear all sides of the issue to determine truth within their own minds.
As long as there exists those whose only intent on sites like this is to ridicule the person instead of the argument there will never be intelligent public debate.
People who do lend themselves to ridicule of others do not bother me, I just chuckle and continue on.

I ridicule those who make no attempt to assess ALL information and steadfastly stick to their fixed opinion by sticking their head up their backside and ignoring complete posts. You just got owned and lack the basic truthing instinct of either refuting what I posted or accepting the new evidence and explanations.

There is a never ending conveyor belt of whackamole madness and people afraid to alter their fixed opinions.

Are you that afraid to be wrong! Your video isn't "critical debate" it is some yootub eejit trying to get his channel noticed by sucking in the clueless and gullible.

hokuspokus · 14-09-2017, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by vancity eagle

Its easy to carry out a hoax in the middle of an Iraqi desert.

It is impossible to carry out hoax in the middle of Paris and claim over a hundred people died after explosions and firefights, with hundreds of fake victims, fake witnesses, makeup artists etc.

People need to use common sense.

Not true.

Do some research on Jasper Maskerlyne.

bamboozooka · 14-09-2017, 08:26 PM

have any pictures of the destruction at the manchester arena been released yet other than the one with the bomb proof fluorescent tube on the wall?

hokuspokus · 16-09-2017, 06:40 AM

Illusionists are always used in warfare from using simple lights during a blackout to
fool bombers into bombing the wrong target to fake explosions to damage\ destroy
armament factories maybe as a cover story for a double agent ( De Havilland\Agent Zig Zag). So why wouldn't Govts\PTB use these same methods to fool it's own people to further it's own agenda?.

truegroup · 16-09-2017, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by hokuspokus

Illusionists are always used in warfare from using simple lights during a blackout to
fool bombers into bombing the wrong target to fake explosions to damage\ destroy
armament factories maybe as a cover story for a double agent ( De Havilland\Agent Zig Zag). So why wouldn't Govts\PTB use these same methods to fool it's own people to further it's own agenda?.

Because there aren't thousands of people, practically every one with a mobile phone, CCTV and media coverage and reporting a million times more invasive than the zero in place during WW2. Just a thought

The argument, some bloke did some illusions in the War 80 years ago, therefore Paris could have been faked is really dumb.

hokuspokus · 16-09-2017, 10:55 AM

Anyone would think some posters are working for various Govt agencies.

We are being decieved at the moment what with all this brew ha ha
in North Korea

. Lots and lots of BS propaganda backed up with library
pictures.
But hey! Let's go to War huh?

truegroup · 16-09-2017, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by hokuspokus

Anyone would think some posters are working for various Govt agencies.

Anyone would think you were unable to respond with anything other than hot air....whilst continuing your very creepy obsession with my posts.

How do I apply for the ebil gubment job....i could do with some easy money

hokuspokus · 16-09-2017, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by truegroup

Anyone would think you were unable to respond with anything other than hot air.....

The above is what is known in forum circles as "A BIT RICH"

truegroup · 16-09-2017, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by hokuspokus

The above is what is known in forum circles as "A BIT RICH"

No....its what is known as an accurate comment. You failed as always to make any response to the post I made. Since I dont ever do that....you're full of shite.

Your brainless bollocks about the illusionist bears no resemblance to the incidents being questioned.

Stalk someone else.....shivers

hokuspokus · 16-09-2017, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by truegroup

No....its what is known as an accurate comment. You failed as always to make any response to the post I made. Since I dont ever do that....you're full of shite.

Your brainless bollocks about the illusionist bears no resemblance to the incidents being questioned.

Stalk someone else.....shivers

No one is stalking you

Either comment positively on Jasper Maskerlyne or remain quiet

Your choice

Stalk . Or not to stalk.

I have a hunch that you have the stalker gene in you

Let's wait and see....

truegroup · 16-09-2017, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by truegroup

Because there aren't thousands of people, practically every one with a mobile phone, CCTV and media coverage and reporting a million times more invasive than the zero in place during WW2. Just a thought

The argument, some bloke did some illusions in the War 80 years ago, therefore Paris could have been faked is really dumb.

Blind weirdo.

oneriver · 16-09-2017, 10:24 PM

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How hard would it REALLY be to carry out a hoax event ?

It depends on whether you are aiming for believable or not.

They didn't try too hard on Parsons Green did they?

truegroup · 17-09-2017, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by oneriver

It depends on whether you are aiming for believable or not.

They didn't try too hard on Parsons Green did they?

Please take your incredulity to the appropriate nutty autohoax thread. It is beyond simple to have done this for real rather than pretend

archimedes · 17-09-2017, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by hokuspokus

Either comment positively on Jasper Maskerlyne or remain quiet

Anyone would think you're a government agent, man, the way you're trying to discredit the forum with your bullshit.

Comment positively or remain quiet?

Wtf do you think this is, your own private echo chamber?

oneriver · 17-09-2017, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by truegroup

Please take your incredulity to the appropriate nutty autohoax thread. It is beyond simple to have done this for real rather than pretend

Yes, beyond simple to put a plastic bucket in a Lidl bag and set it on fire. LOL

What you fail to allow for, and I have mentioned this before, is the possibility that for some reason tptb have their hands tied in some way regarding their ability to just wantonly murder and maim, hence necessitating the hoax approach to their false flags.

Perhaps something has changed and they are now less cavalier about perpetrating cold blooded murder to further their ends?

truegroup · 17-09-2017, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by oneriver

Yes, beyond simple to put a plastic bucket in a Lidl bag and set it on fire. LOL

And burn all the people involved.

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What you fail to allow for, and I have mentioned this before, is the possibility that for some reason tptb have their hands tied in some way regarding their ability to just wantonly murder and maim, hence necessitating the hoax approach to their false flags.

You may have mentioned this horseshit before, but the pong still remains. The evil ones who sit atop are now developing a conscience or are themselves somehow controlled

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Perhaps something has changed and they are now less cavalier about perpetrating cold blooded murder to further their ends?

Perhaps some nutjob took a bomb on a train and it went off! I did ask if you could take your autohoax nuttiness to the appropriate thread. Could you?:rolleyes

oneriver · 17-09-2017, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by truegroup

Perhaps some nutjob took a bomb on a train and it went off! I did ask if you could take your autohoax nuttiness to the appropriate thread. Could you?:rolleyes

Go suck a lemon. I will post wherever I want, thanks.

whatsinaname · 17-09-2017, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by truegroup

Please take your incredulity to the appropriate nutty autohoax thread. It is beyond simple to have done this for real rather than pretend

A "bomb" in a bucket in a carrier bag, or course could have been placed there by some aspiring Jihadist, but what stretches the credibility is that 22 people were injured....or is it 29? I've heard both.

Maybe it's now jumped to 33 or 44... or some other iteration of the number 11

Oh...and of course...the fact that IS have claimed responsibility.

This thread is titled "How hard would it really be to carry out a hoax event". The mention of this latest farce proves it gets easier by the day.

hokuspokus · 17-09-2017, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by archimedes

Anyone would think you're a government agent, man, the way you're trying to discredit the forum with your bullshit.

Comment positively or remain quiet?

Wtf do you think this is, your own private echo chamber?

Hmmm. The poster it was aimed at called my post about Jasper Maskerlyne
"brainless bollocks" . And that I was a stalker.
And you jump in and talk about government agents and stuff.
What that has to do with the ability to hoax is anyone's guess.
I simply provided evidence of Govts carrying out hoaxes.
Have you anything positive to add to this debate?

The floor is all yours.........

16-09-2017, 06:40 AM	#45
hokuspokus Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 2,457 Likes: 449 (272 Posts)	Illusionists are always used in warfare from using simple lights during a blackout to fool bombers into bombing the wrong target to fake explosions to damage\ destroy armament factories maybe as a cover story for a double agent ( De Havilland\Agent Zig Zag). So why wouldn't Govts\PTB use these same methods to fool it's own people to further it's own agenda?. Last edited by hokuspokus; 16-09-2017 at 06:41 AM.

16-09-2017, 10:55 AM	#47
hokuspokus Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 2,457 Likes: 449 (272 Posts)	Anyone would think some posters are working for various Govt agencies. We are being decieved at the moment what with all this brew ha ha in North Korea. Lots and lots of BS propaganda backed up with library pictures. But hey! Let's go to War huh?

14-09-2017, 08:26 PM	#44
bamboozooka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: UK Posts: 744 Likes: 543 (316 Posts)	have any pictures of the destruction at the manchester arena been released yet other than the one with the bomb proof fluorescent tube on the wall?