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Old 27-09-2018, 02:57 PM   #1
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Christians judge god as good. Gnostic Christians judge god as evil. Which religion is correct?

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” Richard Dawkins.

I say shame on all Christians for not judging justly and being morally corrupt.

I offer as evidence of Yahweh’s corruption one simple fact. 1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

This is god setting a bribe price to reverse his usual justice of punishing the innocent to punishing the guilty. This shows his moral and ethical corruption. It also show Jesus as just as corrupt as he went along with it.

Gen3;22 Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil;
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

What is your judgement?

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Are people in any position to judge something they never see or hear, cannot comprehend the immensity and scale of, cannot match its intelligence, etc based on what people have written in a book?

Lets not forget, the bible was written by men so its very probable that any evil concepts connected to God are the projections of these people
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If God really created this universe he must be a real sick fuck...
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If God really created this universe he must be a real sick fuck...
Why? because people have free will? would you prefer to live without the ability to chose and make decisions in your life?

What sort of universe would you make?
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It is a sick fuck because of the underlying nature of this realm.

The constructed requirements....even removing 'people' from the equation still leaves a very sour taste!

Naff all to do with the 'free will' of 'people'....although there is none!

Only a 'real sick fuck' would create the subconscious narrative being dramatized, without individual will, by every form of 'life' here!

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What sort of universe would you make?
A non-dualistic one...

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What makes you think that God created this universe?
Maybe someone else did,to run away from God...

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A non-dualistic one...

P.S.

What makes you think that God created this universe?
Maybe someone else did,to run away from God...

And run where exactly?

Maybe the universe just came into being, like buddhism postulates, without the act of any creator. Maybe conditions were right and it just manifested?
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And run where exactly?
Into the dream this universe is,
but which turns out to be a nightmare...
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Into the dream this universe is,
but which turns out to be a nightmare...
Its not a nightmare for everybody, so when you make such a claim you have to understand that it is only true in a limted sense. Even for people who struggle the world is not always bad.
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OK,maybe I stated it a bit harsh,but the reason why
I think this universe has the markings of a nightmare,
is because I found that the philosophy behind "A course in Miracles",
makes the most sense to me:

"Originally there was only the Natural State of Pure Love existing in the Mind of God.
Then came ‘the tiny, mad idea’ of the separation.
Could a part of the Mind of God separate itself from God?
This is impossible, but the illusory belief that this could occur can be explored."

From "Original Guilt and Original Fear" a blog post by Edwin Navarro.
(I have no connection whatsoever with this writer,
I just find his explanation well written.)

http://blog.edwinnavarro.com/2013/05...inal-fear.html

Another quote:
"...All of our interactions in this world with all the other individuals we see external to ourselves
are just a continuation of the projection by the ego of fear, guilt, attack, pain, and
other non-loving thoughts onto these individuals.
We are the ego interacting with the ego in a non-loving environment..."

It's a universe created by Egos gone mad.
And yes even mad egos can create beautiful things,
but that is *despite* the ego,and not thanks to...

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OK,maybe I stated it a bit harsh,but the reason why
I think this universe has the markings of a nightmare,
is because I found that the philosophy behind "A course in Miracles",
makes the most sense to me:

"Originally there was only the Natural State of Pure Love existing in the Mind of God.
Then came ‘the tiny, mad idea’ of the separation.
Could a part of the Mind of God separate itself from God?
This is impossible, but the illusory belief that this could occur can be explored."

From "Original Guilt and Original Fear" a blog post by Edwin Navarro.
(I have no connection whatsoever with this writer,
I just find his explanation well written.)

http://blog.edwinnavarro.com/2013/05...inal-fear.html

Another quote:
"...All of our interactions in this world with all the other individuals we see external to ourselves
are just a continuation of the projection by the ego of fear, guilt, attack, pain, and
other non-loving thoughts onto these individuals.
We are the ego interacting with the ego in a non-loving environment..."

It's a universe run by Egos gone mad.
And yes even mad egos can create beautiful things,
but that is *despite* the ego,and not thanks to...
Is that from Barbara Brennans course? its tempting to think that the source is a loving creator but how can a unified source know what love really is without something outside of iteself to love? also, what you quote is only one perspective to explain why we exist. If pain and misery are illusions that only last for a limited time and the souls knows it then its only the ego that suffers, not the soul. Isnt the whole point to become souls aware to understand this and ease the suffering of others?
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I'm starting to think omnipresence is an awful lot like schizophrenia...,,
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Love is natural, Hate is taught....
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Is that from Barbara Brennans course?

its tempting to think that the source is a loving creator but how can a unified source know what love really is without something outside of iteself to love?

also, what you quote is only one perspective to explain why we exist.

If pain and misery are illusions that only last for a limited time and the souls knows it then its only the ego that suffers, not the soul.

Isnt the whole point to become souls aware to understand this and ease the suffering of others?
On your three questions:
1)I Have no idea who she is.

2)Now you start to think in place of the "unified source".
If it's unified,it does *not* need to compare,it contains everything already.

3)Maybe it is...
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Are people in any position to judge something they never see or hear, cannot comprehend the immensity and scale of, cannot match its intelligence, etc based on what people have written in a book?

Lets not forget, the bible was written by men so its very probable that any evil concepts connected to God are the projections of these people
I agree with your last but not your first as I think we are quite good at making judgements.

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If God really created this universe he must be a real sick fuck...
I agree.

Lucky for us that nature is doing a better job than the imaginary gods.

Have you seen the latest stats. They are quite good except for the trend to suicide.

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Why? because people have free will? would you prefer to live without the ability to chose and make decisions in your life?

What sort of universe would you make?
We do not have a free will to not sin. That is why the bible speaks one of it's few truths when it says that we are all sinners and even born sinners.

Free will has nothing to do with sin as we all sin naturally.

That must be the case in an evolving reality.

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A non-dualistic one...
How would that work?

Take hot and cold for an example and show your new non-dualistic view of it.

I see us in a dualistic universe and cannot see how we can change it.

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Into the dream this universe is,
but which turns out to be a nightmare...
You are not looking at stats in the right way if you cannot see how much better off the world has been getting and continues to improve.

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I see us in a dualistic universe and cannot see how we can change it.

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Alas,I am afraid I have to agree with you

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