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Old 16-12-2018, 08:38 AM   #681
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There had been no loony or patsy involved with this, though, it was all carefully planned and carried out for greed, and entrance to a higher masonic order.

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Old 16-12-2018, 08:46 AM   #682
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There had been no loony or patsy involved with this, though, it was all carefully planned and carried out for greed, and entrance to a higher masonic order.
You don’t know that power corrupts and magic corrupts and can do things to people. They were sick crimes and would have corrupted those involved. There is a sick twisted mind running through this. Even if it was pretty well executed and planned. Certainly there was no risk of the real story going public so it doesn’t matter if you got someone who is a bit mentally ill involved in the conspiracy Prince Albert even because they can be killed off at any point also

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Old 16-12-2018, 09:10 AM   #683
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It's not just the power that corrupts.
The only people who get appointed to positions of power are always cold and psychopathic - that is the first and essential qualifying hurdle they must meet in order to obtain such a position. Cold-natured, cold-blooded and cold-hearted.

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But - Ah, yes, my mistake, - my apologies - there were loony patsy involvements during the operation. These would certainly have been used for the slashing and the rough violent attacks - especially the other murders too, those not involving hospital.
These would be drawn from provincial forces integration for the operation, and as testing ground for those particular initiates. This would be regarded as basic initiation for a later appointment.
https://whitechapeljack.com/the-whitechapel-murders/

In operation spanner, similar happenings had occurred during the course of the operation:
https://forum.davidicke.com/showpost...&postcount=196

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Old 16-12-2018, 10:31 AM   #684
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It's not just the power that corrupts.
The only people who get appointed to positions of power are always cold and psychopathic - that is the first and essential qualifying hurdle they must meet in order to obtain such a position. Cold-natured, cold-blooded and cold-hearted.

https://forum.davidicke.com/showpost...3&postcount=44
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But - Ah, yes, my mistake, - my apologies - there were loony patsy involvements during the operation. These would certainly have been used for the slashing and the rough violent attacks - especially the other murders too, those not involving hospital involvement.
These would be drawn from provincial forces integration for the operation, and as testing ground for those particular initiates. This would be regarded as basic initiation for a later appointment.

In operation spanner, similar happenings had occurred during the course of the operation:
https://forum.davidicke.com/showpost...&postcount=196
Thanks I don’t really know about operation spanner
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Old 16-12-2018, 10:38 AM   #685
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It's not just the power that corrupts.
The only people who get appointed to positions of power are always cold and psychopathic - that is the first and essential qualifying hurdle they must meet in order to obtain such a position. Cold-natured, cold-blooded and cold-hearted.

https://forum.davidicke.com/showpost...3&postcount=44
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But - Ah, yes, my mistake, - my apologies - there were loony patsy involvements during the operation. These would certainly have been used for the slashing and the rough violent attacks - especially the other murders too, those not involving hospital involvement.
These would be drawn from provincial forces integration for the operation, and as testing ground for those particular initiates. This would be regarded as basic initiation for a later appointment.

In operation spanner, similar happenings had occurred during the course of the operation:
https://forum.davidicke.com/showpost...&postcount=196
You can see why having a shadowy secret society is essential in the operations that are performed from time to time, obviously
your local Masonic lodge, increasingly consisting of very old men these days, isn’t conspiring about ritualistic prostitution slaying on a monthly basis but it’s nice to have a network of duped slaves in hand should they be needed
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Old 16-12-2018, 11:14 AM   #686
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The London police had been forbidden to arrest streetwalkers on prostitution charges without corroborating evidence - this arising from a case which had no evidence in June 1887, leading to a large increase of prostitutes on the streets due to the police reluctance to fall foul of the rules by arresting suspects.

"As a result of Warren’s order arrests for prostitution showed a dramatic decline between 1887 and 1889 as beat officers decided it was better for them to ignore street walkers rather than risk the humiliation that their colleague PC Endacott had endured.
By the time the Jack the Ripper Murders began in August 1888 the local prostitutes felt confident enough to brazenly and publicly solicit for clients and it was almost impossible for a man to walk along certain streets in London without being constantly approached by emboldened street walkers."
https://www.jack-the-ripper-tour.com...-prostitution/

It would therefore seem at face value that the operation had indeed been a police one to deter prostitution in the area near to the hospital. Since morality was involved, the Church police would have been brought in. They would have posed covertly as clients initially in order to confirm the acts of prostitution. A request for money would have sufficed as evidence.
The evidence for the summary execution would have been obtained and retained. That way wrongful arrests could be avoided. The slashing and violent attacks on the bodies left in public places meant to strike fear and terror amongst local prostitutes.

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Old 16-12-2018, 11:44 AM   #687
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The authorities would naturally be quite pleased if people are looking for a lone nutter to accuse.

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Old 16-12-2018, 12:03 PM   #688
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If this had been the case, then the rough attacks with the knife would possibly have been carried out at the dumping site of the bodies, (and after the precision surgical work), so that blood loss would be evident at that spot, falsely indicating that was where the attack had occurred. With this scenario, the surgeon need never leave the hospital premises, and the whole operation - outside the hospital- would be a police action by the Church of England police unit. It would be essentially easy for a marked or unmarked carriage to simply pull up next to a street prostitute and arrest her / bundle her into the wagon - and even easier to pull up in an unmarked carriage possibly posing as a couple of rich clients.

This would give the result of no massive blood loss seemingly evident at the site, but congealed blood pooling underneath the bodies. This had certainly occurred with the victim close to the hospital.

The Witchfinder "calling card" is that some victims die in a similar manner (main ritual), and others from various numerous causes.
https://whitechapeljack.com/the-whitechapel-murders/

This is why - in a heavily populated area- nobody had ever stumbled across the deeds in progress, and why the two separate types of attacks on the body.

Also, if body parts had been removed, they would have to immediately be put into ready-primed preserving containers - easy enough in a surgeon's theatre.
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Old 16-12-2018, 01:15 PM   #689
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Thanks I don’t really know about operation spanner
Spanner had been a similar operation by the Church Witchfinder and police - but against gay men rather than prostitutes. The similarities are striking.
It was a 66 ritual pathway sacrifice and initiation ritual spread over 6 years, with 66 potential defendants suiciding, and 666 total victims, all at taxpayers expense. There were over 100 early deaths (believed to be 111). the numbers and statistics were all-important to the ritual. Like this case. it had also served other purposes too.
https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2018/...-by-grimstock/

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Old 16-12-2018, 03:27 PM   #690
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For speed of operation and willingness of victim to immediately step inside a carriage with one or two imagined rich punters, a properly licensed Hackney Carriage or Hansom Cab (less likely) would have been utilised, as the women would have had no hesitation stepping inside or up to a taxi carriage with the protection of a (presumed) licensed driver on the carriage. This would also appear as quite normal behaviour to any onlookers.

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Old 13-01-2019, 12:32 PM   #691
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Ripper Operation Occult Signature:

Start Date: 3rd April 1888

= 8888 or possibly 341/888


The Illuminati (13 Ruling Crime Families) is a ritualistic organization that has been around since the Christian crusades. It has a special way of looking at numbers that we should all know about and uses the numbers for ritualistic witchcraft.
When it comes to the occult and cults that deploy numbers in the use of magic, Pythagoras is the father of numbers and his teachings are venerated by all of the mystery schools. In “The Secret Teachings of All Ages”, author Manly P. Hall devotes Chapter 13 to Pythagoras. Pythagoras taught only the initiates in his own mystery school the secrets of number systems. The Illuminati very closely follow the precepts first introduced by Pythagoras.
Among the magical mysteries were prime numbers (numbers that have no divisors other than themselves. These numbers which included 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, and so on were widely worshiped by the Illuminati cult in numerology particularly when it comes to setting dates for events.

The members of the Illuminati believe also that a chance of success is more likely if the same number is multiplied several times so they will schedule a special event on a date that has a run of three numbers.

http://helpfreetheearth.com/news565_numbers.html

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It is my belief that the operation had been a masonic initiation and training/inauguration exercise involving police and royal surgeon participants, - and on behalf of the Church of England - to rid the immediate vicinity of the hospital of prostitution in order to appear more acceptable to fee paying students of the rich from a worldwide perspective and sourcing.

Co-ordination and command of the various teams would have fallen under the guidance of the Church - the MET Witchfinder General and his teams - and those prostitutes designated for culling by various methods, but not surgical, and not the "canonical five" (4 in essence) would have been killed in the street possibly whilst soliciting.

Covert intelligence and surveillance would have been previously carried out and victims possibly identified in advance. We therefore also know who the Witchfinder of the time was as he will be easily identifiable as a senior officer having:
1) undertaking covert surveillance in the affected districts
2) Never appearing in uniform, despite rank
3) undertaking "blasphemy" cases.

This person has already been identified as a senior officer of the City of London Police at the times in question.

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Naturally, in my opinion, the true identity of Jack the Ripper will never be found, as there was no such character at all. The killings relied on the efforts of various teams.

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Old 13-01-2019, 04:01 PM   #694
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The London police had been forbidden to arrest streetwalkers on prostitution charges without corroborating evidence - this arising from a case which had no evidence in June 1887, leading to a large increase of prostitutes on the streets due to the police reluctance to fall foul of the rules by arresting suspects.

"As a result of Warren’s order arrests for prostitution showed a dramatic decline between 1887 and 1889 as beat officers decided it was better for them to ignore street walkers rather than risk the humiliation that their colleague PC Endacott had endured.
By the time the Jack the Ripper Murders began in August 1888 the local prostitutes felt confident enough to brazenly and publicly solicit for clients and it was almost impossible for a man to walk along certain streets in London without being constantly approached by emboldened street walkers."
https://www.jack-the-ripper-tour.com...-prostitution/

It would therefore seem at face value that the operation had indeed been a police one to deter prostitution in the area near to the hospital. Since morality was involved, the Church police would have been brought in. They would have posed covertly as clients initially in order to confirm the acts of prostitution. A request for money would have sufficed as evidence.
The evidence for the summary execution would have been obtained and retained. That way wrongful arrests could be avoided. The slashing and violent attacks on the bodies left in public places meant to strike fear and terror amongst local prostitutes.

I believe this identifies (Detective) Sergeant Robert Sagar and his accomplices as religious police working covertly as City of London detectives, and handling both church and state matters. If similar cases are anything to go by, then he would already have been a Knight of the Church of England, (with additional royal powers to undertake summary executions) - albeit in a clandestine manner. i.e. a top freemason, employed by the Church to undertake ecclesiastical matters under common law, and posing/acting as senior City of London detective sergeant.
This is also formally known (to the few) as the office of the Witchfinder General, as an ecclesiastical appointment, usually running in tandem and covertly with, and under the guise of a senior police London-based state appointment (in this case detective sergeant).
A highly occult appointment with responsibility for satanic rituals and sacrificial cullings.
It is claimed he would never appear in uniform; was often acting undercover in disguise in the districts used by the ripper; and handled blasphemy cases for the church, but seemingly no information about his church connections. A large ritual culling such as this would have been the end of the ecclesiastical engagement, whereupon promotion to higher state appointment would have signalled the end of his witchfinder duties.

Nobody else may suddenly enter the police service with no credentials and no prior experience of police work as "detective sergeant" straight off the street. Only the Church appointment can make this happen. Even where history may have been rewritten to accommodate his appointments, the fact he never wore uniform is a giveaway, and would indicate Church control, as a higher authority. It would also appear that he was co-ordinating senior officers on the case. The guise of labourer would have been to entice solicitations as evidence. Swift summary execution would have followed later for any lady offering such services, as the evidence was then already at hand.
https://wiki.casebook.org/index.php/Robert_Sagar

I believe the whole matter had been a sacrificial ritual and an unofficial police "clean-up" operation of the local area in order to entice richer fee-paying national and international students to the new surgical wing and accommodation/courses on offer at the royal hospital, and intended to frighten the local prostitutes to keep them off the streets.

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Old 15-01-2019, 12:52 PM   #695
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Get this. All but one of the body parts taken by the ripper relate to Venus(the planet and the goddess) and the only one not related to Venus is an ear, which is related to SATURN.
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