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Old 20-01-2017, 11:18 PM   #1
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I have decided to open this debate to write about the position of the alternative information reguard Donald Trump.
Let us make a list, indicating nationality and political ideas, interests.

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What if both sides are a bit right and a bit wrong? What if Trump is genuinely trying to help, but has like any presidential candidate, some flaws and controlled opposition traits?
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I don't think anyone is genuinely on the fence. They would be incredibly naive, and very stupid. I don't believe the Trump supports are that stupid. I think they've been insincere and even lying about who they are and their agendas. It's obvious that alternative media has not been unbaised, large parts of what is called alternative media is extremely biased. Why is that? It's been infilitrated by the very system that it was set up to expose.

I'm anti-authoritarian. Why would I support Hillary, Obama, or Trump, it's fairly simple to work out my agenda. But those who claim to be awake, and anti-establishment, and suddenly they're agreeing with Fox News, and supporting a billionaire authoritarian president? I don't buy it. They're no different to those who were asleep and supporting Obama, but this time they're far worse, as Trump is an existential threat to those who he villifies. Those who call themselves alt right, are all starting to show their true colour (and its white) that they've bought into identity politics and these are easy prey for the far right to convert to fascism. The proof is people like Richard B. Spencer with his fascist speech, and Brietbart News and its ties with Zionism. Infowars is also obviously a front for right wing propaganda, as many have long suspected.

Thank god Icke is still on the side of morality and reason by speaking out against Trump and also the fake alternative media that support him. Otherwise, shame on everyone who supports this authoritarian fascist.

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Pro Trump:

Maurizio Blondet - Italy, hard-line catholic christian
Giulietto Chiesa - Italy, communist old-style, putinian, with longtime historical connections with Russia (in last time became confused about Trump, full of doubts)
Comedonchisciotte - Italy, no particular connoctation
Arianna Editrice - Italy, populist
Nexus Edizioni - Italy, populist, with much interest in spirituality and UFO
Infowars (Alex Jones) - US, populist, conservative, zionist
Prison Planet (Paul Joseph Watson) - UK, populist, pro-capitalism
Natural News - US, enviromentalist



Against Trump:

Paolo Barnard - Italy, anti-jews, social-democratic
Paolo Franceschetti - Italy, interested in spirituality
VeteransToday - US, anti-zionist
David Icke - UK, indipendent, interested at 360° in all of the subjects
Richie Allen - UK, socialist
The Real News - US, social-democratic, progressive
aanirfan - US, anti-jews
Webster Griffin Tarpley - US, social-democratic, expert in geopolitics
Frederick William Engdahl - Germany, indipendent, with a bit of populism, expert in geopolitics
Morris 108 - US, anti-jews
Corbert Report - US, indipendent
Gianfranco Carpeoro - Italy, socialist, former top mason


Attendist or uncertain

Global Research - Canada, indipendent, with interest in geopolitics, it hosts articles against and pro Trump indifferently.

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Old 20-01-2017, 11:59 PM   #5
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Pro Trump:

Maurizio Blondet - Italy, hard-line catholic christian
Giulietto Chiesa - Italy, communist old-style, putinian, with longtime historical connections with Russia (in last time became confused about Trump, full of doubts)
Comedonchisciotte - Italy, no particular connoctation
Arianna Editrice - Italy, populist
Nexus Edizioni - Italy, populist, with much interest in spirituality and UFO
Infowars (Alex Jones) - US, populist, conservative, zionist
Prison Planet (Paul Joseph Watson) - UK, populist, pro-capitalism
Natural News - US, enviromentalist



Against Trump:

Paolo Barnard - Italy, anti-jews, social-democratic
Paolo Franceschetti - Italy, interested in spirituality
VeteransToday - US, anti-zionist
David Icke - UK, indipendent, interested at 360° in all of the subjects
Richie Allen - UK, socialist
The Real News - US, social-democratic, progressive
aanirfan - US, anti-jews
Webster Griffin Tarpley - US, social-democratic, expert in geopolitics
Frederick William Engdahl - Germany, indipendent, with a bit of populism, expert in geopolitics
Morris 108 - US, anti-jews
Corbert Report - US, indipendent
Gianfranco Carpeoro - Italy, socialist, former top mason


Attendist or uncertain

Global Research - Canada, indipendent, with interest in geopolitics, it hosts articles against and pro Trump indifferently.
Oh I see what you mean by this thread.

I like the work of those I have bolded. Obviously I am not aware of these Italian journalists, but thanks for the info.

I started something like this a while ago to keep tabs on the fakers in the alt media. As far as I am concerned any of these alternative media who have backed Trump have shown their true colours and have lost all credibility and should never, EVER bet trusted again.

Pro Trump

Breitbart
RedIceRadio
Rense
Ryan Dawson
Steven Mollyneux
Drudge Report
World Net Daily
Rebel Media
whatreallyhappened.com
Pamella Geller


Anti Trump

Henry Makow
Non aligned media
The young Turks
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Old 21-01-2017, 12:05 AM   #6
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I don't think anyone is genuinely on the fence. They would be incredibly naive, and very stupid. I don't believe the Trump supports are that stupid. I think they've been insincere and even lying about who they are and their agendas. It's obvious that alternative media has not been unbaised, large parts of what is called alternative media is extremely biased. Why is that? It's been infilitrated by the very system that it was set up to expose.

I'm anti-authoritarian. Why would I support Hillary, Obama, or Trump, it's fairly simple to work out my agenda. But those who claim to be awake, and anti-establishment, and suddenly they're agreeing with Fox News, and supporting a billionaire authoritarian president? I don't buy it. They're no different to those who were asleep and supporting Obama, but this time they're far worse, as Trump is an existential threat to those who he villifies. Those who call themselves alt right, are all starting to show their true colour (and its white) that they've bought into identity politics and these are easy prey for the far right to convert to fascism. The proof is people like Richard B. Spencer with his fascist speech, and Brietbart News and its ties with Zionism. Infowars is also obviously a front for right wing propaganda, as many have long suspected.

Thank god Icke is still on the side of morality and reason by speaking out against Trump and also the fake alternative media that support him. Otherwise, shame on everyone who supports this authoritarian fascist.
wow

so here you go playing the race card

you want to make out this is all a race conflict

and once you start this race war against white people...what then?

how does it end?
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I think Global Research tilts more towards being anti-Trump but yes I have seen many articles which support him.

Global Research I find a very good website which posts all sorts of material from many different and independent sources, so its kind of just putting it all out on the table.

What worries me a little however is a recent article published by Michel Choussadovsky who heads Global Research.

in this article he seemed to be playing into the false narrative that the elites are "against Trump" That is very worrying as far as I am concerned. He really should know better than buying into that bullshit.


Also on the fence IMO is Russia Today.

They have shows and hosts which are blatantly anti-Trump. Watching the Hawks with Sean Stone, Tyrell Ventura, and Tabatha is totally anti-Trump

Then they have hosts like Peter Lavelle, (whose work I used to like) completely shilling for Trump and again playing into the fake narrative that "the elites are against Trump"

I can't figure out if RT is just hedging their bets, but it seems that they are somehow linked in with this agenda to promote Putin and Trump as some kind of anti-NWO partnership.

I also noticed in the last year RT was featuring a lot of far right, anti-immigrant content, and this was a first worrying sign for me.
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wow

so here you go playing the race card

you want to make out this is all a race conflict

and once you start this race war against white people...what then?

how does it end?
I dont think that is what he is saying at all.

What he is saying is that white supremacy plays a big part of the whole Alt Right philosophy, and he is right, it does.

After all the origins of this movement lie with the Nazis and their American deep state supporters.

Then move on to groups like the JBS who supported Apartheid South Africa, opposed civil rights, and supported segregation. YOu cannot separate white supremacy from the "alt right"

Now I'm not saying everyone in the "alt right" is a white supremacist, but the links are clearly there.

The white supremacist leader of the NPI showed up at a Trump ball today with Gavin McInnes who is certainly a prominent figure in the "alt right"

We simply cannot ignore all of this. The links are there for those people who want to see the truth. For those who dont, they will ignore everything like they always do.

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wow

so here you go playing the race card

you want to make out this is all a race conflict

and once you start this race war against white people...what then?

how does it end?
Wow are seriously going wow because he said the alt right supremacists are white? And that obvious fact is implying he wants to start a race war..wow
Its not even true though.
I suppose NOI support the alt right and they aint white, but aware of their sympathies to Nazis..And Nazis to them.

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I dont think that is what he is saying at all.

What he is saying is that white supremacy plays a big part of the whole Alt Right philosophy, and he is right, it does.

After all the origins of this movement lie with the Nazis and their American deep state supporters.

Then move on to groups like the JBS who supported Apartheid South Africa, opposed civil rights, and supported segregation. YOu cannot separate white supremacy from the "alt right"

Now I'm not saying everyone in the "alt right" is a white supremacist, but the links are clearly there.
he sounds like a black supremicist who wants to wipe out all the 'white' '**********'

how is he any better?
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he sounds like a black supremicist who wants to wipe out all the 'white' '**********'

how is he any better?
Because he said white?
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Wow are seriously going wow because he said the white supremacists are white? And that obvious fact is implying he wants to start a race war..wow
you guys are all whipping each other up into a frenzy....calm down, take a breath and consider the following points...

i think there are a lot of working people who are farmers, factory workers, steel workers, soldiers etc etc who feel let down under obama

these people are being called 'middle america'

they could be said to do the jobs that prop the economy up ie the rteal economy of production and consumption but they have been decimated under obama

this has led to tent citys and food banks across the country

the only reason the US hasn't imploded completely is because the central bankers keep printing more and more fake paper money which in turn then destroys the value of the money in circulation

further to that the federal reserve has kept the interest rates artificially low which destroys peoples savings in the bank but benefits the rich speculators

those hard working people have been watching all this and the financialising skullduggery of wallstreet and the failed occupy uprising and they have responded in the only way they currently know how which is in the ballot box

they couldn't vote for hilary because they knew she was in the obama administration and would just carry the same process on

so they tried trump

not all of those tens of millions of people are white and not all of the ones that are are 'white supremicists'

you guys need to seriously come down to earth here and stop and consider the wider picture

Let me be clear I'M NOT DEFENDING TRUMP, i'm saying that tens of millions of people did not vote for him because they were 'white supremcists'

for most people they vote for economic reasons
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he sounds like a black supremicist who wants to wipe out all the 'white' '**********'

how is he any better?
No he is just calling out certain Trump supporters in the alt right for what they are.

This whole psy op is designed to get people on both sides angry. You, I , Paddy, and virtually everyone ever involved in this debate have been pushed towards anger. I guess in a way it is inevitable, but I try and keep a cool head even though it is hard at times.

There is nothing that Paddy said which is not accurate, the alt right is infested with white supremacist racism. This is a major driving force of the whole Trump agenda. Not the only one, not necessarily even the largest one, but it is of major significance.
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Also on the fence IMO is Russia Today.

They have shows and hosts which are blatantly anti-Trump. Watching the Hawks with Sean Stone, Tyrell Ventura, and Tabatha is totally anti-Trump

Then they have hosts like Peter Lavelle, (whose work I used to like) completely shilling for Trump and again playing into the fake narrative that "the elites are against Trump"

I can't figure out if RT is just hedging their bets, but it seems that they are somehow linked in with this agenda to promote Putin and Trump as some kind of anti-NWO partnership.

I also noticed in the last year RT was featuring a lot of far right, anti-immigrant content, and this was a first worrying sign for me.
I think it's fairly obvious that Russia Today (RT) is State Russian propaganda machine. That doesn't mean everything on it is untrue, sometimes it gives a glimpse that our mainstream media won't show that is against its interests. But at the end of the day, it's controlled opposition. It may be left leaning in general but mainstream left, not radical left. They will support the radical left or right if it means destabilizing western control.

We can't really sit back and trust any source now, we have to do our own research and discernment, because obviously the alternative media are deeply infiltrated and have been for years, even decades.

Add Mark Dice as in the Pro-Trump camp. Also that weird group Project Veritas are another obvious Pro-Trump right wing front.
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No he is just calling out certain Trump supporters in the alt right for what they are.
iamwaveofthesea is confused about what I am, so let him be confused. He's not to be trusted nor can he be reasoned with. He only ever sides with those who are pro-Trump and argues against those who are anti-trump. It's easy to see what his agenda is.
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you guys are all whipping each other up into a frenzy....calm down, take a breath and consider the following points...

i think there are a lot of working people who are farmers, factory workers, steel workers, soldiers etc etc who feel let down under obama

these people are being called 'middle america'

they could be said to do the jobs that prop the economy up ie the rteal economy of production and consumption but they have been decimated under obama

this has led to tent citys and food banks across the country

the only reason the US hasn't imploded completely is because the central bankers keep printing more and more fake paper money which in turn then destroys the value of the money in circulation

further to that the federal reserve has kept the interest rates artificially low which destroys peoples savings in the bank but benefits the rich speculators

those hard working people have been watching all this and the financialising skullduggery of wallstreet and the failed occupy uprising and they have responded in the only way they currently know how which is in the ballot box

they couldn't vote for hilary because they knew she was in the obama administration and would just carry the same process on

so they tried trump

not all of those tens of millions of people are white and not all of the ones that are are 'white supremicists'

you guys need to seriously come down to earth here and stop and consider the wider picture

Let me be clear I'M NOT DEFENDING TRUMP, i'm saying that tens of millions of people did not vote for him because they were 'white supremcists'

for most people they vote for economic reasons
this is very true.

I dont want people to think that I blame every Trump supporter of being a racist. I never said this anyways.

Most of the public, whether Trump or Obama supporter do not have the level of understanding of how things work as you or I. So I can sympathize with a large number of Trump or Obama supporters who just want "change"

Having said that there is a growing white supremacist movement which not only supports Trump, but is actually tied into his administration. this movement hides itself amongst the "alt right"

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I think it's fairly obvious that Russia Today (RT) is State Russian propaganda machine. That doesn't mean everything on it is untrue, sometimes it gives a glimpse that our mainstream media won't show that is against its interests. But at the end of the day, it's controlled opposition. It may be left leaning in general but mainstream left, not radical left. They will support the radical left or right if it means destabilizing western control.

We can't really sit back and trust any source now, we have to do our own research and discernment, because obviously the alternative media are deeply infiltrated and have been for years, even decades.

Add Mark Dice as in the Pro-Trump camp. Also that weird group Project Veritas are another obvious Pro-Trump right wing front.
so now all people who didn't vote for hilary clinton are on your watch list?

this is like mccarthyism on steroids

i know you're upset right now that someone didn't shoot trump at the inaugeration but for crying out loud calm yourself because you are saying some highly inflammatory stuff that is an incitement to racial violence
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you guys are all whipping each other up into a frenzy....calm down, take a breath and consider the following points...

i think there are a lot of working people who are farmers, factory workers, steel workers, soldiers etc etc who feel let down under obama

these people are being called 'middle america'

they could be said to do the jobs that prop the economy up ie the rteal economy of production and consumption but they have been decimated under obama

this has led to tent citys and food banks across the country

the only reason the US hasn't imploded completely is because the central bankers keep printing more and more fake paper money which in turn then destroys the value of the money in circulation

further to that the federal reserve has kept the interest rates artificially low which destroys peoples savings in the bank but benefits the rich speculators

those hard working people have been watching all this and the financialising skullduggery of wallstreet and the failed occupy uprising and they have responded in the only way they currently know how which is in the ballot box

they couldn't vote for hilary because they knew she was in the obama administration and would just carry the same process on

so they tried trump

not all of those tens of millions of people are white and not all of the ones that are are 'white supremicists'

you guys need to seriously come down to earth here and stop and consider the wider picture

Let me be clear I'M NOT DEFENDING TRUMP, i'm saying that tens of millions of people did not vote for him because they were 'white supremcists'

for most people they vote for economic reasons
No one is whipping anyone into a frenzy..You just implied some one was starting a race war because he said the word white..And then went on to say he sounded like a black violent racist, and i asked , was that because he said white, as i find it bizarre you would think that, he made some valid points that havnt been addressed.
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this is very true.

I dont want people to think that I blame every Trump supporter of being a racist. I never said this anyways.

Most of the public, whether Trump or Obama supporter do not have the level of understanding of how things work as you or I. So I can sympathize with a large number of Trump or Obama supporters who just want "change"

Having said that there is a growing white supremacist movement which not only supports Trump, but is actually tied into his administration.
ok....but then lets dissect that too

why would a movement be developing that is suddenly concerned with white rights?

THINK about it?

There's INSANE levels of paranoia on ALL sides at the moment

this is the product of identity politics...this is what it does

we know this.....we've been talking about this here for years now

identity politics is about dividing and ruling the workers

so now thew workers are all divided and splitting into camps and getting defencive and paranoid

the more people use race-based language the more the paranoia and tension increases

this is a time for building bridges vancity.....if you are serious about tackling the oligarchy and about empowering ALL workers then that is what needs to happen

so listen to me as i'm trying to give you a perspective from one camp

white people have become HYPER paranoid due to a number of things.

In europe they have seen the migrant crisis and a wave of terror attacks which has seen anti-terror ie surveilannce state legislation passed and the country of france placed under EMERGENCY POWERS

In the US the white middle class who have always believed that if they worked hard and saved and played by the rules would be granted a degree of comfort have seen that tacit agreement broken and have seen their savings destroyed. Suddenly they DO NOT TRUST THEIR GOVERNMENT. It's like the rug has been pulled from underneath them

meanwhile they see all this critical theory and PC language explode out of nowhere and the rise of groups like 'black lives matter' which further pushes all the racial language

so people are becoming increasingly defencive and insecure
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No one is whipping anyone into a frenzy..You just implied some one was starting a race war because he said the word white..And then went on to say he sounded like a black violent racist, and i asked , was that because he said white, as i find it bizarre you would think that, he made some valid points that havnt been addressed.
no i'm responding to posts paddy has made across multiple threads
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