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Old 17-08-2010, 09:42 PM   #21
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Hello zsymon,

thank you for this thread....and it´s off topic but you express yourself so well in English....I wished I could too
Thank you for your appreciation. I learned English from a text game, so
practice makes perfect!
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Old 17-08-2010, 09:46 PM   #22
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which beings implant you, and once there in you can they be removed?
Yeah they are removed during a past life block healing, and some normal
psychic healers can also remove them, but they usually charge up to $200
per treatment, and they often leave some implants in and tell you that you
have to come back a few times, with you paying $200 each time.

I've had all kinds of different entities place implants into me.. each different
group uses different types of implants. I've had gray aliens and other aliens
place implants into me during etheric/astral surgeries.. but also human souls,
as well as demonic entities.. although demonic entities don't use work with
astral technology that much, they use astral magick.. their implants aren't
very technological usually, more like whirlwinds of black energy that keep
you in a permanent state of depression and exhaustion.
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Old 17-08-2010, 09:48 PM   #23
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Hi zsymon, fascinating thread! And uplifting too, I like very much what you wrote about the darkness not being able to stay here soon.I hope you´re right about that.What you wrote about unconditional love and compassion I feel is true.



Sometimes in dreams I´ve encountered a certain type of entity with all-white eyes. No pupils, no iris, just totally white.Some times they emit a strong halogen-white light out of their eyes. Who are these types of beings?
I've never met them.. you have to know there are an enormous amount of
different alien groups in the astral world of this solar system. They come from
very far away, and they stay in the astral world of this solar system until
they decide to leave again.. from their they harass humanity and even fight
with other non light groups in the astral. Aliens in astral form usually always
use astral technology.. I have never seen one use astral magick.

What you saw sounds like either a type of demon or a type of alien, I really
couldn't say for sure.
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An experience I had in the astral early this morning..

You know when you went to highschool, and someone started a fight,
everyone would come running and standing in a circle around you, cheering
and everyone together yelling "HOI HOI HOI HOI HOI HOI!".. you
remember?

Something similar happened to me too, but in the astral, I am still cracking
up when I remember what happened.. this was actually one of my only
positive experiences in the astral, not the only one but one of few.

Remember I talked about astral school realms in my original post? I ended
up in one of these school realms again, I even believe I have been there
before once. Now, in many astral bubble realms, usually in the kingdom,
school and military realms, there is this force wrapped around the whole
realm that makes levitating and flying impossible for its inhabitants. There
are often other restrictions, such as restrictions to astral magick. So this
school realm had one of those restrictions as well.

So I ended up in the playing grounds of this school realm, which was
surrounded by tall grey buildings, much like on Earth.. and I saw kids that
seemed to be about 14 to 16 years old, running around or talking to each-
other. I slowly floated to the ground, and hovered a foot above the ground
or so. I am a Light soul, so their restrictions usually don't work on me very
much. One of them looked at my feet, hovering above the ground and said
to me: "Hey how are you doing that, this is a no fly zone!" I just smiled at
him and flew up some higher into the air, and I started flying around in a
big circle.

Suddenly everyone else spotted me too, and they all came running at me
and stood in a big circle around me, as I was flying around.. they immediately
started shouting: "HOI HOI HOI HOI HOI HOI HOI HOI HOI!!!" It was so
amazing heh.

After a while one of the guards, or teachers I don't know, he had quite a
strong energy about him, made his way through the kids and stared at me.
I just smiled at him with my most loving smile, and after a minute or so I
returned to my body, because I didn't wait for the cavalry to come, most
realms have a small army of warriors for defence against other realms. If
there are too many then I can't disempower them all at once, they can't
hurt me but such a confrontation is not that pleasant.

Anyway, that's it, it was real funny to experience.
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Old 17-08-2010, 10:07 PM   #25
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Wow. I'm completely gobsmacked by everything I just read. I didn't doubt a word you said, I just KNEW that it's right.
You are officially the coolest person I know

On that note, I would like to ask you something...
I would also like to discover more about astral worlds and to connect with the Universe. I meditate three times a week, mostly focusing on my chakras, but I've had this strange feeling for the past few years. Ever since I discovered about Illuminati, satanism, manipulation etc. I knew that there has to be a bright side, so I read about ascention and the chakras etc. But I've been having this feeling as if the world is getting smaller and smaller and that I crave for some sort of freedom.

Can you reccommend me any meditation or something to heighten my vibration or to get rid of this feeling? I just feel that I have to ascend...
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Old 17-08-2010, 11:09 PM   #26
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Astral travel is the best way to disconnect with the truth and with the Light
Universe. It has no purpose for those souls who are on a path of service to
others.. the astral world is the home of those souls who are on a path of
service to self.

I learned nothing in the astral realms that helped my spiritual awakening, all
my experiences were either neutral or negative, funny at some times. But I
learned that entering the astral world means disconnecting from all that is
Light.

The way we connect with our higher self, with the Universe, is not through
astral travel, but by increasing our vibrational energy. If we increase our
vibrational energy, we start remembering our past lives, we start remembering
who we really are.. our psychic and spiritual abilities will come to the surface
and with those abilities you can connect to the Universe, to the World and
to the Light Realm.

It is like a highly advanced form of remote viewing.. nothing like astral travel
because your soul stays inside your body at all times. With these abilities you
can connect with any place in the world, the Universe or the spirit world, and
it will be as if you are actually there, in spirit form.. but your soul never, ever
leaves your body.

With these abilities you can learn everything and remember everything. You
can also use them to enter any dimension or frequency, such as the realm of
the Elementals, such as the Faeries, Kobolds and Leprechauns, Tree Devas,
water elementals and sylphs.. among many other. You can see other spirits,
such as visiting spirits or earthbound spirits, whom you can then help enter
the Light.

The way we increase our vibrational energy, is by letting go everything that
is heavy and negative, such as:

- Eating meat and dairy products, even honey.
- Violent movies and aggressive music.
- Killing trees, flowers and plants.
- focusing on negative thoughts.
- Nurturing negative emotions.
- Performing negative actions.

And by doing things such as:

- Like above, becoming vegan.
- Watching beautiful, positive movies (boring for some, but it will get better).
- Listening to beautiful, peaceful music.
- Planting trees and flowers, helping the Faerie Folk.
- Focus on positive thinking.
- Light meditations and visualizations.. no heavy focus or concentration needed.
- Nurture positive emotions, such as joy or laughter, give into them.
- Don't ever do anything that will harm another being or plant.
- Having your past life blocks removed, very important.

These things, will continueously increase your vibrational energy, and they
will automatically unlock your psychic and spiritual abilities, and allow you to
become happy.. setting you on a fast path of further spiritual awakening.

P.S.

Concepts such as enlightenment or ascension, don't actually exist. They were
made up by religious leaders who want to be placed above other people. If you
compare the teachings of an enlightened master, with the ramblings of a small
child, you will quickly prefer the child's small wisdoms over the egotistical rants
of the "enlightened master". Ascension does not exist either, again it was some-
thing created to place certain people above others, and to promote worship of
these beings. Beings such as archangels and ascended masters do exist, but
they are not Light, they are non light creatures who thrive on deception, hatred
and lies. They have led astray many psychics and mediums.. causing much lies
to enter mainstream spirituality.

You already know everything, you already learned everything, your soul is literally
billions of years old, and there is no such thing as old souls and young souls, as
all souls were born during the beginning of Creation.. all you have to do here on
Earth, is remember who you really are, remember what you've learned and what
you can do. Enlightenment and ascension are empty words, remembering is what
counts.

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Old 18-08-2010, 09:03 AM   #27
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Concepts such as enlightenment or ascension, don't actually exist. They were
made up by religious leaders who want to be placed above other people. If you
compare the teachings of an enlightened master, with the ramblings of a small
child, you will quickly prefer the child's small wisdoms over the egotistical rants
of the "enlightened master". Ascension does not exist either, again it was some-
thing created to place certain people above others, and to promote worship of
these beings. Beings such as archangels and ascended masters do exist, but
they are not Light, they are non light creatures who thrive on deception, hatred
and lies. They have led astray many psychics and mediums.. causing much lies
to enter mainstream spirituality.
This is quite disturbing although I always thought that angels as messengers from god ARE light beings as god/my concept of god is light itself.
Could you give me more explanation for that? Thanks in advance!!

And what is your opinion about this body concept I found?



So the astral body only goes from 1-4. Is it possible to enter "higher" realms with it, like f.e. visit heaven, like Henoch or is this just rubbish?
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Old 18-08-2010, 01:54 PM   #28
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Astral travel is the best way to disconnect with the truth and with the Light
Universe. It has no purpose for those souls who are on a path of service to
others.. the astral world is the home of those souls who are on a path of
service to self.

I learned nothing in the astral realms that helped my spiritual awakening, all
my experiences were either neutral or negative, funny at some times. But I
learned that entering the astral world means disconnecting from all that is
Light.

The way we connect with our higher self, with the Universe, is not through
astral travel, but by increasing our vibrational energy. If we increase our
vibrational energy, we start remembering our past lives, we start remembering
who we really are.. our psychic and spiritual abilities will come to the surface
and with those abilities you can connect to the Universe, to the World and
to the Light Realm.

It is like a highly advanced form of remote viewing.. nothing like astral travel
because your soul stays inside your body at all times. With these abilities you
can connect with any place in the world, the Universe or the spirit world, and
it will be as if you are actually there, in spirit form.. but your soul never, ever
leaves your body.

With these abilities you can learn everything and remember everything. You
can also use them to enter any dimension or frequency, such as the realm of
the Elementals, such as the Faeries, Kobolds and Leprechauns, Tree Devas,
water elementals and sylphs.. among many other. You can see other spirits,
such as visiting spirits or earthbound spirits, whom you can then help enter
the Light.

The way we increase our vibrational energy, is by letting go everything that
is heavy and negative, such as:

- Eating meat and dairy products, even honey.
- Violent movies and aggressive music.
- Killing trees, flowers and plants.
- focusing on negative thoughts.
- Nurturing negative emotions.
- Performing negative actions.

And by doing things such as:

- Like above, becoming vegan.
- Watching beautiful, positive movies (boring for some, but it will get better).
- Listening to beautiful, peaceful music.
- Planting trees and flowers, helping the Faerie Folk.
- Focus on positive thinking.
- Light meditations and visualizations.. no heavy focus or concentration needed.
- Nurture positive emotions, such as joy or laughter, give into them.
- Don't ever do anything that will harm another being or plant.
- Having your past life blocks removed, very important.

These things, will continueously increase your vibrational energy, and they
will automatically unlock your psychic and spiritual abilities, and allow you to
become happy.. setting you on a fast path of further spiritual awakening.

P.S.

Concepts such as enlightenment or ascension, don't actually exist. They were
made up by religious leaders who want to be placed above other people. If you
compare the teachings of an enlightened master, with the ramblings of a small
child, you will quickly prefer the child's small wisdoms over the egotistical rants
of the "enlightened master". Ascension does not exist either, again it was some-
thing created to place certain people above others, and to promote worship of
these beings. Beings such as archangels and ascended masters do exist, but
they are not Light, they are non light creatures who thrive on deception, hatred
and lies. They have led astray many psychics and mediums.. causing much lies
to enter mainstream spirituality.

You already know everything, you already learned everything, your soul is literally
billions of years old, and there is no such thing as old souls and young souls, as
all souls were born during the beginning of Creation.. all you have to do here on
Earth, is remember who you really are, remember what you've learned and what
you can do. Enlightenment and ascension are empty words, remembering is what
counts.
Wow, thank you very much for clearing it out for me. God bless.
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This is quite disturbing although I always thought that angels as messengers from god ARE light beings as god/my concept of god is light itself.
Could you give me more explanation for that? Thanks in advance!!

And what is your opinion about this body concept I found?



So the astral body only goes from 1-4. Is it possible to enter "higher" realms with it, like f.e. visit heaven, like Henoch or is this just rubbish?
I'm actually learning how the different bodies work at the moment, I will let
you know what comes out once I know how it all works.

I know that it is possible to visit the Light Realm, but not by leaving our
bodies. When we leave our bodies we enter the astral realm, and from there
it is not possible, to my knowledge, to reach the Light Realm, because it is
a completely different part of the spirit world.

It does not matter how you call the Light, be it God, Allah, the Divine Spirit,
or any other name.. but beings that have feathered wings and that have a
status above humans as messsengers of God, do not actually exist. That is
what I learned anyway, and my personal experiences confirm this.

I learned that everyone in the Light is equal, there is no hierarchy of any
kind. All Light souls spend their time incarnating, and resting in the Light Realm
between incarnations. There are no beings such as angels that spend all their
time in Heaven, in the Light Realm.

I have met archangel Michael, at first he had me fooled, but he turned out to
be a non light creature, devoid of love. This being didn't come from Heaven,
its home was the astral realm and from there it deceives many psychics and
mediums who believe in archangel Michael as a divine Light being. The same
counts for ascended masters.. sure some of them exist, but they are not
Light beings.. they are beings who teach negative knowledge, and who
deceive those who are on a path of service to others. Archangels such as
Raphael or Michael are gigantic creatures, with a lot of power, but they are
not Light.. I have seen them in action, fighting against demonic armies, but
when I realized that the Light does not use violence, I knew that these
beings were not Light.

You gotta know, there are many different factions in the astral that all fight
eachother.

But don't think that the Light doesn't guide us, because it does.. everyday
again the Light gives us messages and lessons to help us evolve and help us
remember who we are. There are no coincidence in our lives, the Light is
always there to help and guide us and give us what we need to fulfill our
purpose. Divine Spirit exists, and he guides us with Light, just like Divine
Mother, our planet Earth, guides us with Light every day again.

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Wow, thank you very much for clearing it out for me. God bless.
It's my pleasure, let me know if you have any further questions.
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Wow thats very indepth for astral projection. You must have mastered the art of retaining some control over it.

Ive also had quite afew experiences that i did not wish for. It always begins with a story that starts to run in ones mind, soon you find you are not thinking the story anymore, but just observing it, then, a very intense suction feeling, that you can actually fight against happening, with the consequence of staying trapped in your body & hearing a radio frequency sound and sometimes foreign voices, lights etc, accept its more scary than if you just let go and zoom off, because you are then paralyised.. Fear, will & doubt is what holds you in your body, and seems to manifest dark forms when you cant let go. Sometimes you can see through your eyes when they are shut!
Its amazing when you do let go & fly through space and experience it all. It makes you feel completely confident in life after death.
Once, i went through my bedroom wall backwards and landed stuck cuddling a naked mans body. Fear took me back thankfully. lol

I realised a strange thing regarding stopping it from happening. It only happens when i take all my jewellry off and am nude with no make-up. If i wear a ring, it will not happen.

Apparently, you can even make love in the astral planes!
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We still should not use astral travel though, it is black magick, it is not for those of Light, it serves no purpose for
us but to connect us with dark energies, it can seriously ruin your life.
Thank you for sharing what you have.

What I have quoted above, I think is the most important part out of everything you have written, so much that I think you should have said this before anything else

Most of my astral experiences - and I am still a complete novice and haven't voluntarily tried it in a long time - occured either during my sleep or in the morning.

I found that after waking, I could take myself back to the place of my last dream. I could awake again and keep repeating the process, by keeping the place in my mind as I allowed myself to drift.

One night I 'dreamt' I was hovering in mid-air, next to my bed. I was being spun upside down and held there, and there was another being there which I could not see but whose malevolence I could sense, saying to me 'look what we can do with you'. I was afraid, woke up, then fell asleep again shortly after and the experience was repeated.

On another occasion I found myself witnessing a torture, the being that was being tortured was barely a collection of bared nerve pathways, and again their was this malevolent thing there, touching this being on its nerves and looking at me, saying again 'look what we can do'.

I've had positive travels, for sure. But not until reading this thread had I heard of the difference between the astral and light planes. I thank you.

Now I am concerned at the popularity of astral travel amongst spiritual circles. Surely they must know what you know?
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wots the reasons for not eating meat , dairys and honey?
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Now I am concerned at the popularity of astral travel amongst spiritual circles. Surely they must know what you know?
Sadly, books such as those of Robert Monroe have convinced people that
there is no negativity in the astral realms and that it is completely safe,
that nothing can happen to them there.

They are happy to ignore the many stories of people who have had their
lives ruined, and who have even been astrally murdered or mutilated.

Some books have convinced people that all negativity in the astral comes
from your own mind, and that there is no darkness in the astral.

Theories such as these are the cause of people getting their lives ruined,
people suiciding, people dying and people ending up in mental asylums.

Astral travel is something for black mages who have been trained for years
to protect themselves against the alien and demonic entities that roam the
astral realms. People like Robert Monroe, who seem neutral, are actually
black mages.. not all black mages are evil, but they aren't loving either, and
their knowledge is often deceptive and purposely incomplete, so people get
trapped in intensely negative energies and trapped within the energy of many
different types of astral entities, human, alien, demonic or monstrous.

Even for those who's home is the astral, for those who go to the astral when
they die, it is extremely dangerous, because they can end up in an enemy
realm if they are not supported by people from their home realm. Even if they
are supported, something much stronger may come and then it's over.

I wish I could be more positive about astral travel, and I do have experienced
some positive experiences, more or less, but it is just too dangerous. That is
also why I will never teach anyone how to successfully astral travel. I am not
a black mage, and therefor my knowledge is insufficient to teach others.

I'm a Light soul, like many others, and astral travel was never meant to be
used by us. We have different ways to connect with our spirit world, without
having to leave our bodies. In our natural state we can see all dimensions
and all frequencies, project our consciousness to any place and experience
it as if we're really there, without ever having to leave our body. You could
say it is a highly advanced form of remote viewing and consciousness
projection.

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wots the reasons for not eating meat , dairys and honey?
Animals have souls just like you and me, all have us have been incarnated
as animals in the past. Many animals are Light souls, some animals are non
light souls, regardless of species. When we kill an animal and eat its corpse,
we might have killed and cannibalized a brother or sister or lover or father
or mother from a past life.. we will have cannibalized someone we love more
than ourselves.

When we eat dairy products, we join in with the non light and the enslavery
of bees, cows, goats, sheep, chickens and turkeys, among others. They
have to suffer more than you can imagine, to provide us with milk and eggs.

When we stop eating meat and dairy products, we stop joining in with the
mass genocide, slavery and torture of our brothers and sisters the animals.

Humans are in no way above animals, they are equally valuable, they have
the same kind of soul as we have, they are our brothers, our sisters, our
fathers, our mothers, our aunts and uncles and nieces and nephew from our
past lives on Earth.. they are US.

Also, eating meat massively lowers your vibrational energy, which is the
amount of Light in your body. With such a low vibrational energy, it is usually
impossible to walk successfully on a spiritual path, as meat often completely
blocks our ability to communicate with the spirit worlds, and from developing
our psychic and spiritual abilities and powers.
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Sadly, books such as those of Robert Monroe have convinced people that
there is no negativity in the astral realms and that it is completely safe,
that nothing can happen to them there.

They are happy to ignore the many stories of people who have had their
lives ruined, and who have even been astrally murdered or mutilated.

Some books have convinced people that all negativity in the astral comes
from your own mind, and that there is no darkness in the astral.

Theories such as these are the cause of people getting their lives ruined,
people suiciding, people dying and people ending up in mental asylums.

Astral travel is something for black mages who have been trained for years
to protect themselves against the alien and demonic entities that roam the
astral realms. People like Robert Monroe, who seem neutral, are actually
black mages.. not all black mages are evil, but they aren't loving either, and
their knowledge is often deceptive and purposely incomplete, so people get
trapped in intensely negative energies and trapped within the energy of many
different types of astral entities, human, alien, demonic or monstrous.

Even for those who's home is the astral, for those who go to the astral when
they die, it is extremely dangerous, because they can end up in an enemy
realm if they are not supported by people from their home realm. Even if they
are supported, something much stronger may come and then it's over.

I wish I could be more positive about astral travel, and I do have experienced
some positive experiences, more or less, but it is just too dangerous. That is
also why I will never teach anyone how to successfully astral travel. I am not
a black mage, and therefor my knowledge is insufficient to teach others.

I'm a Light soul, like many others, and astral travel was never meant to be
used by us. We have different ways to connect with our spirit world, without
having to leave our bodies. In our natural state we can see all dimensions
and all frequencies, project our consciousness to any place and experience
it as if we're really there, without ever having to leave our body. You could
say it is a highly advanced form of remote viewing and consciousness
projection.
I've never read a book about astral travel, but really feel you are restricting yourself by taking this viewpoint. I just dont choose to see it like that. So, therefore, it isn't.
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zsymon..Is the coolest and kindest soul I have met on David Icke. He has helped me significantly and NO I doubt nothing he has said because intutively it feels correct and right and resonantes with my heart.

We are lucky to have him here..
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You make me blush.

I'm not asking anyone to just believe me though, my purpose isn't to
convince people that I speak the truth, I just want to share my own
experiences and beliefs, so people may choose to learn from them or
not.. it is fine for me either way.

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Old 20-08-2010, 06:17 PM   #39
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I've never read a book about astral travel, but really feel you are restricting yourself by taking this viewpoint. I just dont choose to see it like that. So, therefore, it isn't.
Well, reality isn't defined by our beliefs.. these astral entities exist whether
you believe in them or not, and they have the ability to attack you when
you enter the astral world unprepared, whether you believe that or not.

If you walk against a wall, you're going to bump your head whether you
believe that wall exists or not.

Sure, for some people the astral can be a safe place, but not for people like
me and many others here. Souls who are on a path of service to others will
find the astral a very hostile place once they are discovered there.

It is possible sometimes to travel through the astral if you know how to keep
your energy close to you, if you know how to change your appearance and
if you have the ability to control which realm you go to or not, but all this
takes a lot of training, and most people will simply never achieve the willpower
necessary to do these things.

But even then, souls who are on a path of service to others, have simply no
business in the astral realm.. it is the home of those souls who are on a path
of service to self, and they won't react positively if they find you invading
their home world. Sometimes I meet some beings who remain friendly with me
even if they know I am a Light soul, but that is very rare.

What I am saying only counts for people who are on a path of service to others.
I do not speak for those who are on a path of service to self.. their astral
experiences will be very different, and a lot more enjoyable, than mine.

I agree though that I'm not doing such a great job expressing myself right
now.

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Old 20-08-2010, 07:12 PM   #40
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I understand much of what you say comes directly from your own experiences. Because I am so aware of the duality consciousness of this dimension many of your experiences coincide with my belief system which has developed over time and my own experiences here. I have never astral traveled and have 0 desire to do so and am pleased that I have not been forced into that type of realm against my will.

Could you please explain a bit more about only 10% of souls being here on this planet at this time being of light?

Does this 10% compose of those who KNOW they are of "service to others"?

Are there many who would be considered of light but because of past life issues, and and other blocks occurring from past incarnations and current issues, they engage in more service to self.

Since there is a shift back to pure light and I sense this as well despite outward appearances what will happen to the non-light souls? Will the progression toward balance occur in your opinion over an 80 year period or so? What tangible shifts might we see in the outside world in terms of events etc. that will reveal this shift is actively in progress?

Hope that makes sense?
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