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Old 26-11-2016, 08:22 PM   #21
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Old 26-11-2016, 10:44 PM   #22
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Western democracy remains de facto a dictatorship but with more hiprocrisy and mediations.
Supporting a dictator on the left while arguing against dictators on the right, that's hypocrisy.
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Old 26-11-2016, 10:52 PM   #23
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https://uk.yahoo.com/news/jeremy-cor...132058434.html

Jeremy Corbyn praises 'heroism' of revolutionary Fidel Castro

Jeremy Corbyn has hailed Fidel Castro as “a massive figure in the history of the whole planet”, following news of the former Cuban leader’s death.

The Labour leader praised the “heroism” of the revolutionary figure and commended the social changes he brought to the Caribbean island.

A long-standing supporter of the Cuba Solidarity Campaign, Corbyn’s views have courted controversy due to reports of widespread human rights abuses under Castro’s rule.

Says it all.
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Old 26-11-2016, 11:05 PM   #24
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Supporting a dictator on the left while arguing against dictators on the right, that's hypocrisy.
Trouble is paddy they project the fact one is better than the other..and we fucking fall for it
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Old 26-11-2016, 11:13 PM   #25
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Old 26-11-2016, 11:13 PM   #26
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Supporting a dictator on the left while arguing against dictators on the right, that's hypocrisy.
Anybody who stands in the way of America exporting democracy (and we all know how flawless that is) is a dictator.

I once learned from an unexpected source, an elderly Conservative voting lady, that her preferred method of government would be a benevolent dictatorship and having observed in subsequent years how flawed democracy is, both in execution and practice, I think that she may have been onto something.

In the past, I have had a lot of friends who supported the Cuban revolution, one was awarded the Cuban Friendship Medal by Fidel Castro himself and actually invited to Fidel Castro's 80th birthday party which was eventually cancelled due to ill health. I acknowledge that my opinion may be biased by my acquaintances but on reading all the anti-Castro hyperbole today, I have been trying to get to the bottom of the claims of the slaughter of thousands of political opponents which keeps being mentioned. So far, I have only found evidence of small numbers being killed in armed conflict and a couple of dozen or so who were subject to questionable trials.

I am sure that these numbers are incomplete by a long way but I wonder how these figures tot up against the global US body count since Granma Day.

Oh, and I forgot to mention the Miami 5 (aka Cuban 5). But I don't suppose anybody knows anything about them, let alone the full background involving US sponsored terror attacks by Cuban exiles living in Miami.
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Old 26-11-2016, 11:24 PM   #27
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Supporting a dictator on the left while arguing against dictators on the right, that's hypocrisy.
Fidel Castro was further the left and the right, his regime had aspects wich we can define of left and others that we can define of right.
However, you correctly can you speak of dictatorship. But for me the problem is not the dictatorship in itself but what it does instead. I believe that democracy is something of unexistent in the real world, it is naturally impossible when you go into a complex society. Neither I believe in the power of people as absolute principle, because people not always is correct, or it can be composed of diferent areas. I believe in the truth, in the science instead, it does not matter if truth is believed by the 0,000000001%.
Said that, I am for a good degree of individual freedom, for example freedom of speech, sexual freedom, freedom to be friend of people of diferent races, and so on.
Consequently, I know that Cuban socialist regime violated the individual freedoms in various aspects, but also our "democratic governments", our society sometimes block the liberties, and before attacking Cuba we must vigilate in our houses.

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Old 26-11-2016, 11:40 PM   #28
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Fidel Castro was further the left and the right, his regime had aspects wich we can define of left and others that we can define of right.
Would you care to give examples of how Fidel Castro was right wing.

I think that you may be confusing degrees of authoritarianism with socioeconomic policies.
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Old 26-11-2016, 11:45 PM   #29
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Would you care to give examples of how Fidel Castro was right wing.

I think that you may be confusing degrees of authoritarianism with socioeconomic policies.
What's the difference?
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I wish I could post this in a few ongoing threads.

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Old 26-11-2016, 11:57 PM   #31
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Would you care to give examples of how Fidel Castro was right wing.

I think that you may be confusing degrees of authoritarianism with socioeconomic policies.
Nationalism, authoritarism, order, discipline are considered normally of right (I'm not considering these elements apart the nationalism as negative things necessarially, it depends by goals to achieve, and in the case of Cuban socialist regime, they have had a constructive, positive function too.)
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Old 27-11-2016, 12:00 AM   #32
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I could have sworn he died a few years back, and was replaced by his brother.

Anyway, RIP......Yer commie bastard.
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Old 27-11-2016, 12:02 AM   #33
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What's the difference?
If you have to ask, you shouldn't be claiming that Fidel Castro was right wing.

One can be a left leaning authoritarian or a right leaning libertarian. Or, for that matter, arguably anywhere in between.

Most people would probably agree that Fidel Castro was authoritarian left and, say, Margaret Thatcher authoritarian right. Their beliefs in socialism vs free market economy being an approximations for left and right views, respectively.

This site is worth looking at and there is a test to determine where you sit on the political compass:

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Old 27-11-2016, 12:11 AM   #34
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I could have sworn he died a few years back, and was replaced by his brother.

Anyway, RIP......Yer commie bastard.
His brother did replace him. I cant recall the circumstances....
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If you have to ask, you shouldn't be claiming that Fidel Castro was right wing.

One can be a left leaning authoritarian or a right leaning libertarian. Or, for that matter, arguably anywhere in between.

Most people would probably agree that Fidel Castro was authoritarian left and, say, Margaret Thatcher authoritarian right. Their beliefs in socialism vs free market economy being an approximations for left and right views, respectively.

This site is worth looking at and there is a test to determine where you sit on the political compass:

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I just done that test. Apparently I'm authoritarian left. To the left of the SNP and Labour! I categorically deny being left at all. Ill defend my authoritarian result though, no problem with that. But left. I'm goin to puke. Need a rematch, I was robbed. Left!!!
RIP Mr Castro, it comes to us all, wherever we stand.
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NWO shill dies.

Two headed eagle wins, again.

Dead fellas, dead.
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Nationalism, authoritarism, order, discipline are considered normally of right (I'm not considering these elements apart the nationalism as negative things necessarially, it depends by goals to achieve, and in the case of Cuban socialist regime, they have had a constructive, positive function too.)
Well, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, were all communists. And look how that worked out.

The extreme left or the extreme right, it's all the same result.
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Well, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, were all communists. And look how that worked out.

The extreme left or the extreme right, it's all the same result.
It would depend if they were left alone to get on with it surely. If both are doomed to fail then let them fail. Or let them flourish.
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I just done that test. Apparently I'm authoritarian left. To the left of the SNP and Labour! I categorically deny being left at all. Ill defend my authoritarian result though, no problem with that. But left. I'm goin to puke. Need a rematch, I was robbed. Left!!!
RIP Mr Castro, it comes to us all, wherever we stand.
I seem to be as left wing as Ghandi but more libertarian. This is because the questions were stupid. They are aimed at what kind of a prison would you like to live in, rather than what would you do if you had absolute power.

Well, I like to judge on a case by case basis and what action I take is solely dependant on the mood I happen to find myself in that moment. Arbitrary rule as a kind of feudal warlord suites my style of governance.

Basically you the people can do anything you like as long as you don't make me angry, OK? If you make me cross, I'll burn your village. No, you don't get to choose me, I do the choosing.
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Would you care to give examples of how Fidel Castro was right wing.

I think that you may be confusing degrees of authoritarianism with socioeconomic policies.
He paid workers 25 cents an hour to make cigars for Harods who sold them for £80 a throw. Richard Branson would give his right arm to make that much of a mark up.
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