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Old 16-08-2008, 02:57 AM   #1
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Porn degrades women, leads to misogyny and sexual abuse, and causes rape, sexual violence and sexual assault. This documentary, She Stole My Voice: A Documentary About Lesbian Rape, shows exactly why pornography and objectification of women.




This is serious and it's Not a joke!

I have removed the scenes because they contain shots of Pornography and Violence scenes of nature.

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Old 16-08-2008, 03:01 AM   #2
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Ugh..Porn.

It is the evil stench among human society.

Women needs to be free from this negative sexual ritual mind-controlling job.
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Old 16-08-2008, 03:10 AM   #3
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i don't know what to say as i respect everyone's choice of thinking! But thing's are more complicated as it is!

Porn is bad for you! but people are acting as they are in farms, sometimes i say human's deserve it all and sometimes i say why? and why this things are happening?
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Old 17-08-2008, 10:59 AM   #4
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damn
sexual politics
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there just doesn't seem to be a way I can think about this and not be angry

which Is why I am going to think about it until my attitude is resolved.
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Old 17-08-2008, 11:17 AM   #5
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Angry Sexploitation

Pornography... another one of those things that help to destroy the very fabric of society, by warping people's minds! :-/ One only has to think of the exploitation that's involved in the industry... I bet most of the women were abused as girls.
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It's estimated to be a quarter of girls are abused in some way.
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Marriage is also often the same as prostitution and it causes prostitution, sounds weird, but this man convinced me
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It's estimated to be a quarter of girls are abused in some way.
I'd say at least that... what makes them go into such a nefarious industry in the first place? We really do live in a sick world, masturbating to images... that's surely testemant to the fact that society is so broken, and so devoid of real love and understanding.

People who look at pornography should perhaps think about what lies behind the picture- whom lies behind the picture.
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Interesting review about this 'documentary'...


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I've watched a good bit of this now and the words and imagery are totally at odds. It's as if these women are both condemning lesbian rape and indulging in their softcore les-rape fantasies simultaneously.

Why are all the rapists kinda hot? How come all the victims seem to want it? It's just a bunch of hot chicks rolling around crying crocodile tears, pretending to be tied up. After a few minutes of each of the interminably long and carefully staged rape scenes you start to think, "If you don't like it why don't you just leave?"

This just doesn't jibe with the few actual stories told about lesbian rape, which are truly sad, and painfully trivialized by the imagery.

I think it also says something about the mush-mindedness of the women who made this thing. They're so "powerless" that fighting or fleeing would never occur to them? Pathetic.

Upon finishing the film I've decided that it's more disingenuous than that. I swear to god they shot this footage as some sort of lesbian rape fantasy porn and when they couldn't sell it as that, decided to splice in a few interviews and market it as an anti-lesbian-rape movie. It's a sexploitation flick, plain and simple. Go rent some classic 70's sexploitation if that's what you're into, at least you'll have a laugh.
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There is a lot of description of the acts in this video explicitly simulated or otherwise and not very much talk of how people get into situations like this, how they are sustained and what can a person do if they are raped or they contemplate raping someone.

both the raped and the rapist need help, but I think this video is far from a tool to help promote understanding.
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Marriage is also often the same as prostitution and it causes prostitution, sounds weird, but this man convinced me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I
Marriage is about building a family! Being together as a men and a women, because they need each others!

The ideology of this men is prostituted! If you continue and listen more to his interviews you will know that he had a bad childhood with his parents!
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hahaha i watch porn myself and piss mysef when people say it leads onto rape abuse etc.

It only ever shows the women why?

Surly if men and women were put in a line and shot one by one then they would all die, not just 1 sex ecause they are seen more?

If porn is bad then i should be in prison, i see no harm and its quite fun to make, people are asicly saying that my girlfriend is going to be abused raped etc because i watch and we both make porn.

biggest load of nanny culture ive heard
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Porn degrades women, leads to misogyny and sexual abuse, and causes rape, sexual violence and sexual assault. This documentary, She Stole My Voice: A Documentary About Lesbian Rape, shows exactly why pornography and objectification of women.
Some might argue that sexual repression leads to all of those things, and I think that a pretty good argument could be made actually. The problem isn't the creation of pornography in and of itself, the problem is how pornography is created.

The theory is that the adults involved are completely consenting and that somehow this makes what is going on okay. Gay porn is slightly different, at least from what I've noticed, in that it seems to idolize the male body where as straight porn seems to despise and degrade the female body. A lot of times you don't even get to see what the men look like! Straight porn tends to be a lot more consistently primal and seems to involve a lot more domination. A lot of people involved in the pornography industry have been raped throughout their lives, and depend on people who only know how to abuse. For those of you who believe in the government Monarch program, a thought has occurred to me many times that a great amount of porn-stars are actually Monarch Beta subjects.

Sexual expression through video or photography is fine, it is really the content of the expression that needs to be discussed. In a world where anything is possible, I would like to stress that it is entirely possible that many mentally healthy people like to sexually submit or be dominated at their own discretion. The problem is when those people like to be hurt - the desire for pain seems to be a sign of mental instability. This is, however, just from my solitary point of view of the universe. There are billions of people I've never met! It seems like straight pornography seems to explicitly objectify women. Not that gay pornography doesn't do the same sometimes, but it doesn't seem to be the central theme of most of it.
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... A Documentary About Lesbian Rape, shows exactly why pornography and objectification of women.
This sentence seems somehow incomplete.
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Some might argue that sexual repression leads to all of those things, and I think that a pretty good argument could be made actually.
Exactly!, Look at a city like Amsterdam, hard core porn and drugs freely available. Lowest sex crimes on the planet for christs sake. Proof that porn does not corrupt.

Rape has got NOTHING to do with porn or even sex for that matter. Its a violent act perpetrated by violent people.

When you hear of a convicted rapist saying it was porn that made them do it, that is their lawyer trying to shift the blame away from their client. They do the same for kids that kill, they try and blame violent computer games, all just spin by lawyers to play on the sympathy of courts and jury's.

Some people are violent pieces of shit, and some poor people are unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Exactly!, Look at a city like Amsterdam, hard core porn and drugs freely available. Lowest sex crimes on the planet for christs sake. Proof that porn does not corrupt.

Rape has got NOTHING to do with porn or even sex for that matter. Its a violent act perpetrated by violent people.

When you hear of a convicted rapist saying it was porn that made them do it, that is their lawyer trying to shift the blame away from their client. They do the same for kids that kill, they try and blame violent computer games, all just spin by lawyers to play on the sympathy of courts and jury's.

Some people are violent pieces of shit, and some poor people are unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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If people look at porn they may very well desire sex but they sure as heck don't desire to rape someone and we are talking about 99.9999999999999999999999% of the population here who do not or ever will rape, Your drawing a conclusion based on an exception where I am drawing on the rule but sadly no matter what the rule, there will always be an exception to it, that unfortunately is a given.

Granted someone is still being raped by a very bad person but if you removed porn all together and wiped it from peoples minds can you also say that rape would disappear too.

Has Rape not been around before porn, or even the written word itself. As a caveman, wasn't the wacking on the head with the club and the dragging away to a cave sufficient enough to be called rape? assuming we even did that, possibly another thread for that debate.

I get what you mean by the law of attraction and I also think it is a very real phenomenon but I don't think it applies to rapist and victim unless you put forward the possibility that through the same law of attraction the victim wanted also to be raped.

If desire to have and desire to not have manifest in the same thing then that would negate the possibility of choice and so then placing blame for the manifestation of those desires would also be a moot point, fundamentally of course. It wasn't him it was the laws of attraction, ok but he's is still going to jail.

I am actually right with you on the LOA but this is a very tricky subject to apply it to.
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In a world where anything is possible, I would like to stress that it is entirely possible that many mentally healthy people like to sexually submit or be dominated at their own discretion. The problem is when those people like to be hurt - the desire for pain seems to be a sign of mental instability. This is, however, just from my solitary point of view of the universe. There are billions of people I've never met! It seems like straight pornography seems to explicitly objectify women. Not that gay pornography doesn't do the same sometimes, but it doesn't seem to be the central theme of most of it.

I've registered on the forum, specifically to give my view of this subject. It's started with lesbian rape and then moved on to pornography. The above view is interesting and touches on sexual submission and Domination. I have some experience with this path and I must disavow the above view suggesting that a desire to be hurt is a sign of menatl instability-not so;but I'll get to that.

I am a Dominant to a female submissive. We enjoy a level of understanding to each others needs and desires few 'vanilla' (The term used for 'normal' relationships) marriages and partnerships experience. Non D/s (Dominant/submissive) people would possibly find it hard to spot we have such a relationship, the dynamics are subtle and often unsaid between us. At this point a few of you will be saying 'Yeah, but you're obviously a bully who enjoys beating up women'...

Not so, although some relationships do have sado masochism as part of their dynamics, it is NOT universal, and I cannot stress that enough. D/s is basically a power exchange dynamic. It is no coincidence that high powered professional people from all walks of life (I mean ALL) are by nature submissive in D/s, as it gives them the opportunity to release that everyday need to 'look after' others, and relish the control exchange to a Dominant. It sounds bizarre, but submissives (of both sexes) outnumber Dominants by about three to one. They make a concious decision to take this path. A Dominant (and this is where it should be stressed 'Dominant' rather than bully) holds his/her submissive in awe, 'eh? You serious?' VERY serious.

To give your all to another person is the ultimate demonstartion of trust, sometimes quite literally with your life. I use rope bondage with my submissive, and although it seems strange to some, you have to believe me (and without putting too fine a point on it!) she experiences an incredible feeling of eroticism and completeness-without any further physical contact. Although this does of course occur! How? I know not how, I'm not a submissive, but I know the why. It's because she has a feeling of total relaxation because she doesn't have to think or have independent thought in such a 'scene'. An imperfect analogy would be a pet dog, a devoted but separate loyal partner to it's Mistress or Master. The owner provides totally for the dog, the dog repays with total loyalty and protection, as it sees it's owner as the pack leader.

If you look, you'll find many many articles on D/s and like me as I did, may find your attitude is rather different to what the tabloids may have you believe. Rape is rape, and plays no part on D/s. A true D/s relationship has the three maxims; Safe, sane and consensual. Nothing is ever done without the express understanding that if the submissive gives a 'safe' word, the scene ends-NOW. Some relationships do not use safe words, the belief in their relationship that the Dom uses his/her descretion when to end the scene, again the submissive has given this consent.

Very rarely things can and do go wrong, there was a recent case in Canada where a scene went very very wrong and the woman died. This is terrble but thankfully very rare. I would suggest that the amount of injuries and long term psychological problems in D/s are minute compared with a 'loving' marriage where the bloke comes home and beats the daylights out of his wife, who cannot resort to a safe word. A D/s club does not entertain brutal thugs, such bullies are quickly weeded out and in some cases action is taken. I hope my little contribution although a little off topic addresses an issue that is often misrepresented.


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Hold that thought...please space that wall of text it hurts mine eyes!!!

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I think that the desire to inflict pain is also a sign of mental instability, but who am I to define unstable. I think that taking any risks that could result in the injury of your partner, whether your partner is willing or not, just seems like the opposite of love to me. It's risking destruction. If your partner is willing to risk to be hurt or injured, wouldn't you think that s/he has some issues that need to be resolved? Self-destructive tendencies are always negative. I think when someone takes advantage of the self-destructive tendency of another, for sexual desire, that it is an inherently unfair and thus un-loving relationship at it's core. However, I obviously am limited in experience so this is just the point of view from which I look at the world, and I know there are many aspects of life that I haven't experienced.
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