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Old 15-04-2018, 08:44 PM   #81
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Lets be clear about what’s happened here...

Western officials, on behalf of this international syndicate/the hidden hand, had accused Syria of carrying out a Chemical Attack without evidence.

A team of weapons inspectors had been arranged to investigate the site on Saturday 14th April...

Syria chemical attack: weapons inspectors to investigate site
OPCW experts to take samples from victims and site of alleged attack in Douma

Fri 13 Apr 2018 18.27 BST Last modified on Sat 14 Apr 2018 18.52 BST

Inspectors from the international chemical weapons watchdog are to start an investigation into an attack on a town outside Damascus that killed more than 40 people, injured up to 500, and led to the threat of military strikes against Syrian government targets.

The team from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons will begin work on Saturday to determine whether chemical weapons were used in Douma on 7 April.

The town had been the last opposition stronghold in the Syrian capital. It was recaptured in the days following the attack, which has drawn broad condemnation by the US, France and UK, but strident denials from Russia that it actually took place.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e_iOSApp_Other

What a coincidence they chose now to bomb Syria, just hours before the chemical weapons inspectors were due to go in to find any signs of the chemical attack the west blame on Assad.
If the inspectors would have gone in and found nothing, that would be proof the west is lying so Trump, May and Macron had to act now to stop them finding the truth.

That’s what happened and everyone would have known they’re lying to help spin their preconceived plans and geopolitical movements in Syria.

So a careful campaign was carried out to blow up the area where the said chemical attack took place and there’s no longer any evidence to prove their guilt. Now they’re talking of a ceasefire and paths to peace...

These people take the piss better than anyone else.
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Old 15-04-2018, 08:58 PM   #82
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The first casualty of war is truth.

Trump wants to escalate as he cannot stand it, he cannot get what he wants with his missiles. You can be sure many were taken down.

But trump is making false boasts.

He wants it escalated as many of the missiles again never got to there targets. Trump has done this twice in a year now, and still did not get what he wanted.

Those missile strikes were nothing more then international terrorism.

I think they got what they wanted.

Although perhaps more calling out of their obvious acts of corruption than they wanted to escape and thought more of us would keep quiet and not have called out and spread just what’s taking place.

They wanted chaos and to suggest to us that no signs of chemicals can be traced now because the “coalition” of the west have blown them all to kingdom come.
Even if some of them missles didn’t get through, they can suggest those that did blew up the chemical agents as planned and no ones the wiser in the Chaos because genuinely there were no targets to hit so it didn’t matter if any missles had been stopped...

If any “experts” go in there, they can say it’s too dangerous following this attack and have to wait, then they go in and say enough time has passed now that even if there had been any evidence of chemical agents being used, it’s possible they’ve gone, been destroyed etc etc
However, we have found containers that could potentially contain chemical weapons...

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It’s Iraq WMD all over again and aluminium tubes...

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Just pipes that could hold and be used for anything just as containers that could be there or be placed their could in reality contain anything from water to fossil fuels, but the PTB would still suggest, they could contain chemical agents.

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However, trucks stealing oil from Syria, transporting them through Turkey and into Europe, in trucks designed to carry oil, are said by the same crowd that no those trucks could be transporting anything. Suggesting anything but Oil...

Russia unveils 'proof' Turkey's Erdogan is smuggling Isis oil across border from Syria
Moscow publishes satellite images purporting to show Turkish trucks filling up in Isis-controlled Iraq and Syria
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a6757651.html

This is how stupid they think we are and keep treating the public!

I’d suggest people watch this movie as the specific clip of aluminium tubes on YouTube is conveniently no longer available...

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Old 15-04-2018, 09:15 PM   #83
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Those bloodline psychos with all the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and hence all the power are the ones waging these horrendous power wars.

And all we, the masses can do, is have an online and offline opinion.!

Just like in all things political. Apart from a tick on a bit of paper every few years ,, And that's really gonna change things in this pendulum system ,,
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Old 15-04-2018, 09:32 PM   #84
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Those bloodline psychos with all the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and hence all the power are the ones waging these horrendous power wars.

And all we, the masses can do, is have an online and offline opinion.!

Just like in all things political. Apart from a tick on a bit of paper every few years ,, And that's really gonna change things in this pendulum system ,,
$$$ doesn’t mean power, that’s the illusion.
They use that to take our power away by the way $$$ Is used to suppress and enslave.

When our online opinion matches our offline one many of us will be better off...

Eventually more within the masses will understand this system and not comply with it. Really, the best thing the masses could do is nothing at all just all at once.
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Old 15-04-2018, 09:37 PM   #85
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$$$ doesn’t mean power, that’s the illusion.
They use that to take our power away by the way $$$ Is used to suppress and enslave.

When our online opinion matches our offline one many of us will be better off...

Eventually more within the masses will understand this system and not comply with it. Really, the best thing the masses could do is nothing at all just all at once.
When the masses recognise the illusory power and control of money things might change.

Until then ,, tptb use hard working tax payers money to build bombs ,, chemical or nuclear or whatever ,, and kill innocent people.

The masses can only have an opinion. They have been disempowered by the belief in money and the power of the total control system and the zombies that do what they are paid to do.

So ,, I agree with you!
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Old 15-04-2018, 11:26 PM   #86
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Theresa May to tell MPs: Syria airstrikes were in UK's interest
PM braced for highly charged exchanges in Commons as she prepares Monday statement

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Theresa May will hit back at critics of military action in Syria by insisting the decision to launch airstrikes was aimed at preventing human suffering, and was in Britain’s national interest,as she is questioned by MPs about the attacks for the first time.

With the government braced for highly charged exchanges in the Commons as MPs return from their Easter recess, the prime minister will emphasise the international support for the bombing raids.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e_iOSApp_Other

The Coalition of Chaos by the Traditional Enemies of the Truth!

I think I’ve been pretty clear above, this wasn’t about humanitarian suffering at all, although this was always going to sold as the party line, justification for provocative action. That’s all it is justification that holds no credibility in reality whatsoever anymore than the credibility of evidence of any actual Chemical Attack having taken place. If this was the case they could quite of easy caused more suffering by the bombs they dropped upon the people or the chemical pollution they would have caused by targeting them in this way and realising the chemicals into the atmosphere...

You don’t stop humanitarian suffering by dropping bombs, and bombs upon so called chemical agents which will only create more carnage and chaos and that was quite clearly the plan and agenda here!
Also wouldn’t that be an environmental hazard by people who are so concerned about Climate Change?
Buts that’s how much all of this is bullshit and they pick and chose whatever suits their agenda!


This was about preventing the exposure of the lies of the West by blowing up an area where they had previously said a chemical attack had taken place, as it was about to be assessed by a team from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons on Saturday 14th April, to determine whether chemical weapons were used in Douma. After their actions which were attempting to reinforce their lies by authoritarian bullshit diplomatic newspeak, used to justify this attack, it was entirely to prevent exposure of the said lies by not allowing evidence of their accusations to be gathered, so they could be proved right or wrong. Such would clearly suggest no good would have come from the evidence gathering and it would have proved them wrong. Why else would you blow it up and cast doubt if you’re right about this?
The whole scenario just didn’t make sense...

They attacked the area and now no one can go in and prove there was or wasn’t a chemical attack and it was why the “coalition” forces of the West, after collectively lying through their teeth had to spring into action for “National Security” as their lies would have been clear for all to see and it was important that those lies wouldn’t be exposed. The attack can cast a smoke screen of doubt if or not there was a chemical attack at all, rather than prove these western powers had lied but anyone following this international crowd and agenda know what makes sense here and why these things happened, that would otherwise be unexplainable and make no sense whatsoever.

Censorship of Social Media - Alternative Narratives over Syrian War
https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=321505

During this process they had tested their censorship A.I./Algorithms, patterns of Information sharing upon social media to see how on mass they can prevent certain information from being wide spread.
This time it was any information regarding Syria and this chemical attack or talks of the West responding that wasn’t in the MSM. The MSM set about cutting off anyone that offered a narrative that could of casted any doubt or question mark upon the official narrative...

Any mistakes in their censorship attempts during this event, as this event was as much a training exercise of information warfare as actual warfare, they are attempting to work out and iron out the creases in the future for when they get a little more serious and “involved”...

Such as something like people who are censored appear not to be, their information sends without the appearance of it being stopped, however they enter a big black hole where they’re not presented on other peoples timelines/newsfeeds and disappear into the DMZ of the ether.
That’s probably where they will go next and you can only check this by keeping an eye on your social media history.

If you do you’ll probably see something like this and can’t access it...

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Old 16-04-2018, 03:22 AM   #87
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Well... it seems it's all over , WWIII finished before it started ....

"President Trump greeted the end of the attacks with a tweet saying ‘mission accomplished’, Ambassador Haley promised the US was ready for another strike if Assad crossed the chemical weapons ‘red line’ in the future...."

I don't think anyone died ....just a few missile bases hit ....

They just can't get a good war started , in the old days millions willingly signed up to get killed , now days the politicians can't even fire a few missiles without the people getting on their case....

Didn't even make the news over here in Thailand .
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2 years ago...

We cannot sow bloodshed and reap peace. I no longer require these medals.”

A small group of British military veterans throw off their medals outside Downing Street in protest at the bombing in Syria
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What happened and how many more times are people going to let the PTB keep doing this and idiots keep fighting their battles for them or being fooled into playing within their theatres of war?
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A small group of British military veterans throw off their medals outside Downing Street in protest at the bombing in Syria
That's great to see ...

Will make many ordinary people think again .
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Oil Vey

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The US led bombing raid on Syria on April 13th came at an odd time. The civil war in Syria has basically been won by Assad, and in response to the calming of tensions, President Trump said on April 4 that he intended to withdraw US troops from Syria. Three days later, Assad allegedly used chemical weapons on Syrian civilians and from there talk of war began to be openly encouraged by Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu. Almost immediately, some skepticism arose as to why Assad would use chemical weapons after the war was essentially won. US Secretary of Defense General Mattis was reduced to saying he ‘believed’ there had been a chemical attack. In any case the rationale for bombing Syria on April 13 was weakened by the fact that the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons was due to arrive in Syria to examine the claim of chemical weapons use on April 14, the day after the US led bombing. Bombing in advance of the arrival of inspectors seems a bit like an attempt to cut off verification.

Another strange part of the narrative was how suddenly unified our ordinarily discordant US elected leaders were on the necessity of bombing Syria. Certainly, the timing might have been useful for Trump, stealing headlines just as Comey’s tell all book came out, but then Trump’s presidency has, since its inception, run at a 3 scandal a day pace. Rather than covering up scandals, Trump seems instead to revel in the publicity. The Democrats, even the leaders of the so-called resistance, offered no resistance to the bombing plan other than to grumble about the potential future need for congressional approval. When both sides of our political spectrum converge on what seems to be an awful idea located in the middle east it is hard not to suspect that Israel is somehow involved.

But why would Israel prefer a civil war next door, fought by Assad against shifting Islamic factions, some no doubt more hostile to Israel than Assad? I think I can point to a possible reason. During the ‘67 war, Israel took 2/3 of the Golan Heights from Syria. Although the UN and others still classify the land as ‘occupied,’ in 1981, Israel declared its control of the entire territory and the population of the Golan Heights is now at least half Israeli. While Israel has claimed that it took additional land in ’67 and after to act as a buffer zone around Israel, the resource rich Golan Heights have provided Israel with much more than a buffer zone. “In fact, the Golan Heights contributes a quenching one-third of Israel’s entire water supply.”

The Golan Heights has also provided Israel’s first major oil find. Afek Oil and Gas, a division of Genie Oil has obtained oil rights for the huge oil fields in the Golan Heights. The company crowed in a letter to investors that, “Billions of barrels of Israeli oil had been tapped [in the Golan Heights.]”

Genie Oil has powerful political connections. Rupert Murdock, Vice President Cheney, Jacob Rothschild and Larry Summers are among its Board Members. The ex-chairman of Genie Energy's former parent company, IDT Corp., is Ira Greenstein, a family friend of Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner. Greenstein currently works on the White House staff.

In 2017, US Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke met with the far-right Israeli politician and head of Afek Oil, Efraim Etiam. Etiam has called Israeli Arabs a "cancer" and said that "we will have to kill all [the Palestinians].” The meeting gave an apparent, and probably an actual US seal of approval to Afek’s oil extraction from disputed territory that the international community has explicitly said does not belong to Israel.

So why does Israel prefer a civil war to peace so close to its water and oil bonanza? I would guess that Israel does not want a strong leader to challenge its right to the spoils of war. There appears to be a tentative coalition of Turkey, Russia, Iran and Syria. While no one since 1999 has seriously challenged Israel’s occupation of the Golan Heights, Israel seems to prefer a neighbour consumed with internal fighting to a strong Syria that may be part of a powerful coalition.

The UN Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF) provides powerful evidence that Israel has undertaken to keep Syria is a state of conflict. UNDOF’s reports have shown the ‘only democracy in the Middle East’ to be quite democratic in handing out aid to armed rebel groups, including the official Al-Qqaeda affiliate in Syria. Israel has claimed the aid is ‘humanitarian,’ - Ring any bells? Western justification for doing the same and dropping bombs on a sovereign nation - but that claim contrasts with Israel’s official stated policy to “let both sides bleed” in order to prolong the war for as long as possible so as to weaken Syria and its allies.

So, the US, the UK and France bombed Syria on the basis of an unproven claim of chemical warfare and, if the bombing raid proves successful, the only real practical outcome might be to prolong a brutal civil war in Syria so that Israel’s claim to water and oil rich land will be unlikely to be challenged.

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/2018/4/15/oil-vey

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Interesting and part of the narrative for sure and justification for recent events.
They also wanted to cover up any exposure of their lack of evidence on claims made by the West that chemical attacks had taken place when the site was about to be inspected and nothing would have been found...

They’ve not been as successful yet as they would have liked in Syria because of Russian support of Assad and the protection they have gave Syria. The internationalists want to continue this war to regime change and capture Syria as they do Iran for a long awaited plan to expand Israel into “Greater Israel” taking up parts of all the lands surrounding that the west because of these international powers are at war with. This is an all encompassing New World Order objective, out of those Middle Eastern wars they could pull in other world powers for regime change such as Russia and China, which would result in WWIII and the internationalists expected go get a stronger foothold in Syria and Iran before such an event...

GENIE OIL: THE SYRIA, GOLDMAN SACHS, ISRAEL, ISIS CONNECTION
Could Israel be using Goldman Sachs loyalists and powerful globalists to push US intervention in Syria as a challenge to Russia?s international dominance in natural gas?

In October 2015 Afek Oil and Gas confirmed the discovery of oil in the Golan Heights.

https://www.trunews.com/article/geni...sis-connection


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As mentioned here...

Aleister Crowley ISIS Ritual-Continuation of WWII
https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=305395

Jerusalem King Solomon’s Temple Zionism/Freemasonry
https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=320118

Trump - Syria - UKIP - Murdoch - “Deep State”
https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=321483

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Mike Pence-Deception within Religion and Political ideology- Zionism
https://forum.davidicke.com/showthre...post1063015841
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I think they got what they wanted.

Although perhaps more calling out of their obvious acts of corruption than they wanted to escape and thought more of us would keep quiet and not have called out and spread just what’s taking place.

They wanted chaos and to suggest to us that no signs of chemicals can be traced now because the “coalition” of the west have blown them all to kingdom come.
Even if some of them missles didn’t get through, they can suggest those that did blew up the chemical agents as planned and no ones the wiser in the Chaos because genuinely there were no targets to hit so it didn’t matter if any missles had been stopped...
Youre fighting the wrong battle there Danny

The Chemicals existed - The world knows they existed -
As DIF rightly pointed out the chemicals used to make these weapons were still being sold to Syria by the UK during the war. (You can also add that's probably why the UK knew exactly where they are - it possibly built the storage facility - it would definitely have inspected it).

The chemicals have lots of uses not just CW - which is why they were bought and sold.

The battle to fight isn't did they have the chemicals - but did they use them to make Sarin etc. You quite rightly raise the points about WMD claims and destroyed evidence but If you listen to what the Government says (not the media shite)

The Government says it destroyed the precursors It never claims it destroyed Chemical weapons.

The best lies have a grain of truth - in this instance -
The Government has been completely honest in what its said it has bombed - Chemicals that COULD be used to make Chemical Weapons

Its the motives aims and justifications (what the chemicals were being used for) that are the lies

Edit for clarity - I'm not disagreeing with the WMD narrative being used - just saying you are focusing on the wrong aspect

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Syria has certainly not won the war. However what was true a few years ago has changed. The most important change which was long seen coming is that soon food production and water will be more valuable than oil. Oil finds are certainly not as valuable as they were, nor the gas on which Europe depends. We are moving to electric. Soon we will all have electric central heating. We have long had electric trains, trams and milk floats, what we lacked were the wind turbines and solar panels to make cheap and clean electricity to run them. Oil stopped the development of this kind of energy but now the brakes are off. My hybrid car’s electric engine is better than any I have had in the last 50 years. Diesel is dead.

Syria was a major food producer but drought afflicted that. Now any country with access to the sea can invest in desalination plants, run electrically, to irrigate. Water can be pumped to the farms electrically. Syria therefore has a new possibility. It should be noted that its oil fields, which were once very important to it, have been lost to the opposition. Also that a very big area around Idlib is in rebel hands, even if there is a lot of infighting there. What seems to be happening is that Assad is now saying he will turn his attention to wiping them out.

The real prize is Tartus, the only naval base that Russia has in the Med, ice free all year round. The Crimean naval base is very restricted as to leave the Black Sea one must pass through the narrow Turkish controlled (NATO) straits. It is the same problem to leave the Med of course but the Med gives access to Europe, the Middle East, Asia and Africa while the Black Sea accesses Eurasia. Russia is upgrading Tartus but it will always be vulnerable to attacks by rebels. So will the rest of Syria even if they drive them out. Unless other countries stop supporting them and close their borders to them which is most unlikely.

This war was never about Iran. Before Libya was invaded Russia had been offered a naval base there. Ukraine was all about the naval base in Crimea. And Syria’s ’civil war’ is all about the naval base there. The rest of this is incidental and a most convenient smokescreen. So Russia will fight very hard to keep Tartus otherwise they may as well give up on having a navy. NATO will always oppose it. But we have been losing the battle of the minds even with a media that has supported intervention and cried out for more. Chemical war is about the reason left to move in, oust Assad and allow the rebels, or new government, to close down the naval base. The cost to Russia is the point here. At some time they may decide that Tartus and Crimea are really not worth the sanctions and military expense. Syria has no money to pay them. In the same way conflict is costing the Gulf states dearly and bringing dangerous instability to their regimes.

But it could also be noted that the US and UK are to all intents and purposes bankrupt too, running vast deficits. Their populations are suffering and they may not have much room left for these military adventures. Corbyn would stop them, Trump may too. How long the hawks can hold out, and keep their ridiculous defence budgets is the real question. The UK cannot afford Trident in this climate. That is why they are so desperate. Peace could break out at any time. Palestine could soon achieve what South Africa and Zimbabwe achieved too. Justification for having ‘one state’ but two completely different classes and rights is impossible to maintain for much longer and the world has said so. It is just a veto away from caving in. The darkest hour is always before dawn. The brink of WW3 is as dark as it gets. But it is all based on lies that are coming undone and will see a government fall and a country disgraced. We all make serious mistakes when we are desperate and will not admit the error of our ways.
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We are moving to electric. Soon we will all have electric central heating. We have long had electric trains, trams and milk floats, what we lacked were the wind turbines and solar panels to make cheap and clean electricity to run them.
And the next resource wars will be for Cadmium - Lithium and of course water

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Diesel is dead.
Yes and no -
Diesel engines were designed to run on oil from banana or peanuts - basically waste products on the plantations.
Diesel itself - was pretty much a waste product in petrol product -
Oil companies basically hijacked the Diesel engine.

So yes owing to the current fashionable emissions laws (Dont forget Diesel became popular because of the last lot of emmissions laws) Diesel is being forced out - But diesel engines (although possibly returning to simpler designs) - may live on powered by alternate fuels

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The real prize is Tartus, the only naval base that Russia has in the Med, ice free all year round. The Crimean naval base is very restricted as to leave the Black Sea one must pass through the narrow Turkish controlled (NATO) straits. It is the same problem to leave the Med of course but the Med gives access to Europe, the Middle East, Asia and Africa while the Black Sea accesses Eurasia.

So Russia will fight very hard to keep Tartus otherwise they may as well give up on having a navy. NATO will always oppose it.

The cost to Russia is the point here. At some time they may decide that Tartus and Crimea are really not worth the sanctions and military expense.
Not likely - If you consider the endgame is a new cold war and thus the world falls into the respective camps camps - Russias Vassals will ignore any sanctions on Russia put forward by the US and its Vassals and vice versa

So long term sanctions on the main powers (Russia US China) are not a real issue.


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How long the hawks can hold out, and keep their ridiculous defence budgets is the real question. The UK cannot afford Trident in this climate. .
Not a fan of Trident - but having it sucks up funds that could be spent on stuff that can be used in Syria .
Also having it means we can scrap most of the army and Airforce as nobody will invade - this saves money
It would cost more money to have an Army big enough to deter an attacker
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Old 16-04-2018, 10:00 AM   #94
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Our cheapest and best defence is a sensible and non-aggressive foreign policy. There are many safe nations that can help us to that. The problem with diesel is very apparent in Glasgow. Do not breathe near Central Station, close all windows if behind one.

Just one article by the BBC in March 2013 can sort all of this out. Rebels captured in Turkey with canisters of sarin gas. Would anyone assume every chemical attack was by Assad if the BBC bothered to remind us of that. They did in August 2013 after the Goutha attack. They mentioned it once at the beginning which is how I found it. Then it was dropped by one and all.

Appeasement saved us once, now it is a dirty word:

July 1934 expansion of RAF announced - 5 year plan

March 1936 first Spitfire maiden voyage

December 1937 RAF take delivery of first Hurricane fighters

June 1938 Spitfire enters service, 50 Hurricanes in service

Sept 1938 Chamberlain buys essential time for re-arming in so called ‘appeasement‘- Germany builds 1860 Messerschmitt ‘109’ fighters

Jan 1939 Only 27 RAF Fighter squadrons active, Germany builds 1540 109’s.

Sept 1939 Britain declares war - 500 Hurricanes in service, 400 Spitfires
Luftwaffe: Aircraft strength was 4,201 operational aircraft; 1,191 bombers, 361 dive bombers, 788 fighters, 431 heavy fighters, and 488 transports

May 1940 Chamberlain resigned in favour of Churchill.

May to June 1940 Dunkirk retreat of British Expeditionary Force in France and allies

June 1940 106 RAF fighters lost in 9 days and in total 1029 planes lost in France

1940 Dowding radar system becomes active and is of major importance as from
July through Autumn 1940 Britain fights Battle of Britain against vastly superior numbers of German bombers and fighters

Meanwhile Britain and her Commonwealth allies were also fighting the Italians and Germans in North Africa and having some success against the forces of Rommel.

Not until December 1941 did the US join the war and only after Germany and Japan had declared war on them

End of war 1 million serving in RAF with 27,000 planes, 14000 Hurricanes had been produced 20,000 Spitfires were produced.

You see if there is a real danger of invasion you work on it calmly, but crazed rhetoric based on deception enrages potential enemies and does nothing to make us safe. They know we will carry on like this while degrading our armed forces because we think other nations will support us.

They wont.
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Old 16-04-2018, 10:07 AM   #95
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Dont disagree with you thrust - but remember

Chamberlains appeasement wasn't about stopping war but delaying it until the UK was better placed to fight.

Corbyn would swing to far the other way

He would ignore and accept any actions from countries with the correct ideology and in doing so his - we will never fight rhetoric would be just as dangerous as the aggressive rhetoric you mention above
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North Korea flouts UN sanctions earning millions, say experts

North Korea is flouting UN sanctions on oil and gas, engaging in prohibited ballistic missile cooperation with Syria and Burma, and illegally exporting commodities that brought in nearly $200 million in just nine months last year, according to UN experts.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ay-un-experts/
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Old 16-04-2018, 10:45 AM   #97
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Corbyn will face many more media onslaughts and revolutions in his party because he wants peace and a settlement for Palestinians. It is not that he will achieve that but he will tip the balance just enough for it to become possible, encouraging those affected and discouraging those who do not want it.

We walk on both legs - right and left but for far too many years have had a right wing government. that is why we are losing public services. A well balanced nation would alternate giving opportunities to both sides and having a happy medium. tax when I was a boy was 95% at the top rate. The far too rich are terrified of that for no good reason.

But our foreign policy is also like this. that is why we did not join US in Vietnam although they wanted us to. Now we are a pawn on the chess board and the really big powers are playing. Pawns are sacrificed but certainly threaten big nations, and unchecked become big players.

I defy any rational person to believe that Salisbury, this latest 'chemical attack' with its video of hard men dousing poor kids and manhandling them when no real health worker would act like that, and this constant claim of assassinations are not all linked.

Litvinenko is classic, why leave a trace of radioactivity across London, after a well known meeting with Russian agents in a London hotel, on a plane and back to the British embassy in Moscow unless you want Russia to be blamed.

There have been humanitarian disasters and genocides in Burma and Yemen but no interventions mooted. Obviously, obviously this Security Council stuff is all about Russia. And it all looks increasingly bad. Clearly every big gun is being dragged out to blame Russia and warn about them.

IF Russia has been set up can you imagine how angry they are with the pawn Britain. It is only a game for some but for us this is no game. Russia has been hit very, very hard and the aim was to remove the king (Putin) -check mate them. It worked before and they are a bit naïve in these policy think tanks. It failed this time - he is still there. So right now we should shut up and appease, while building up defences. Good heavens when I was young everyone had done National Service, every town had some way of defending itself. Not now when we have a tiny airforce. Relying on Trident which fires the wrong way and needs US approval is a bit far stretched.

We need Corbyn to reverse our ill judged foreign policies and appease. At least Russia respects him. Pawns are on their own. The above post should show how we certainly are. EU hates us. Trump was hit by our dirty dossier. And we need a proper home guard, not inner city gangs killing each other. But I am an old man - what do I know?
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We need Corbyn to reverse our ill judged foreign policies and appease. At least Russia respects him.
No they dont - they see him as a useful idiot - someone they can manipulate - He would be a disaster as PM

Hes a disaster in opposition - we need a real Labour opposition - not Momentum - forcing out MPs they dont like - but the electorate does - because they dont agree with the dear leader.

Labour will be screwed if they run as independents

FFS his closest sidekick is Dianne Abbot - That in itself is proof he isn't of sound judgement.

We probably wont I agree on Corbyn

I detest him - hes portrayed as this great anti establishment hero - In reality hes as establishment as they come - hes never been anything but a politician nor has he ever actually had a position where he is responsible for decisions.

Wont forgive him for the promise that wasn't a promise after all Corbyn didn't actually say he would scrap student debt - only that he would sort it - of course he didn't correct his MPs who did say that.

Hes exactly the same as May and all the rest - he just has his Momentum blackshirts to spin him as a great leader
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Hande! Labour was infiltrated long ago with the idea that the way to prevent the socialist threat was to change the party and after john smith died that is what happened. But it has swung back. Everywhere in the world there are such things happening. Some entity controls this one, blackmails that one, funds another, funds media attacks on someone else. In Le Carre’s world you cannot know what spy is a double or triple. They are all convincing with histories made to fit. But Corbyn was exceptional, never intended to win. When he did win and the tories in his ranks failed to destroy him, his whole party was branded as a national security threat. Communism taking over.

Don’t buy this nonsense. He is my age, lives where I lived for many years, supports my football team and like me wants to see some equality, having seen enough inequality to last 20 generations. Everyone knows he is a nice man and they all know he is neither racist nor anti-Semitic. He cautions against interventions that are based on deceptions. The media told us Libya was giving its troops Viagra to rape civilians (the ICC prosecutor of all people claimed that). that genocide in Benghazi was imminent. Both were lies. Corbyn does not get taken in. Nor do his MP’s but some of them are only there to work against him and restore the party to its new corporate/privatise everything that moves madness.

Now the media is not reporting news and never has. All the newspapers are party political broadcasts. But the voters no longer care about that and speak to each other about what they see. In the NHS, in the Councils where I worked you cannot disguise this. And they are behind Corbyn, not just Labour party members. Only because he is honest. He is not anti-establishment he is establishment. His party was establishment as is the House of Commons. He just has to cope with daily attacks on his integrity unlike those attacking him.

So today it is not WMD really, but similar. It is not Viagra or genocide but similar. It is not Litvinenko in his hospital bed every day but similar. Men in chemical suits for weeks on end - just to make a media political point. But it does not fool people any more, or not those who care. The others are watching football and worry that the World Cup will be cancelled. Those who care simply do not believe the nonsense being spun.

The £350 million a week on the Brexit bus is true but constantly shown up as fake news. It is true because Britain had to pay in billions to rescue the Eurozone and we are now guaranteeing the economies of Italy, Portugal, Spain and Greece. We do not only pay in a sub to the EU. But no media carries the story do they. And at the heart of this is the City.

Well the last few weeks have impacted on the City now and that is turning the whole business round. The EU and US are using this business to call on the City to stop hoarding the cash of Russian oligarchs, drug lords and dictators. Not because they really think that has anything to do with the chemical attack but because both Paris and New York want to take over the City’s financial business. The EU think they can destroy it too. Naïve think thanks at work and now they have awoken the real sleeping giant.

The City underpins the whole world’s financial systems and economies. Bringing it down or threatening to do so pulls in the real controllers and they are enraged. Corbyn does not worry them in fact he is their designated saviour. He can bring the UK and thus the world back to its senses and put it back on track. The City financed the NHS, building of schools and universities. It is not some narrow PFI organisation. And it dates back a very long time. The Freemen of the City run the Freemasons all over our world. It took over world trade from Antwerp around 1600. But now the upstarts are trying to cut it down.

This is why you can see the doubts creeping into the worldwide media coverage. Why PM May is backed into a corner. Britain has been pulled into a shoddy campaign. She wanted Clinton to win so we discredited Trump which is in fact discrediting the US. Then it was hoped Putin might lose as his real opponent was built into a super-hero. Since the ‘election’ opposing Putin is now opposing Russia. The City is slow moving but the real power in this world. I know that this forum does not like it. There is not much to like but until our world reaches some mythical state of enlightenment that is what is holding it together. It is as occult as physical, its rituals include carrying Gog and Magog around in the annual procession. Big changes coming now due to some short term Tory thinking.
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Following the above info...

Warship Ruse And New Stealth Missiles: How The Syria Attack Unfolded
The cruiser USS Monterey fired 30 Tomahawk missiles and the destroyer USS Laboon fired seven Tomahawks from the Red Sea. The destroyer USS Higgins fired 23 Tomahawks

‘President Donald Trump's outrage over another apparent chemical weapons attack by Syrian President Bashar Assad was clear. And for the second time in his presidency, the U.S. commander-in-chief demanded retaliation.

As images of sick or dying children flooded global media all week, the U.S. guided-missile destroyer USS Winston Churchill was en route to the Mediterranean to join a flotilla of allied warships, including another U.S. destroyer, the USS Donald Cook.

It was a ruse.

While both vessels carry as many as 90 Tomahawk missiles -- the main weapon used in the Friday evening strike on Syria -- neither ship in the end fired a shot. Instead, according to a person familiar with White House war planning, they were part of a plan to distract Russia and its Syrian ally from an assault Assad's government could do little to defend itself against.

It worked. Pentagon officials on Saturday said they faced little resistance to their targeted attack on what they said were three Syrian chemical weapons facilities. Most of the Syrian countermeasures, including defensive ballistic missiles, were fired after U.S. and allied weapons hit their targets, Lieutenant General Kenneth McKenzie told reporters on Saturday.

"No Syrian weapon had any effect on anything we did," McKenzie said. He described the joint U.S., French and U.K. strike as "precise, overwhelming and effective."

It wasn't a predetermined outcome. Earlier in the week Trump appeared to telegraph his intentions to the world with a tweet. "Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and 'smart!"'

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/wars...folded-1837718

Look at the symbolic nature...

Aleister Crowley ISIS Ritual-Continuation of WWII
https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=305395


It was also a method to cover up lies previously created by western powers.
Of course every missile hit their target, as they need to give the idea, mission successful and complete, chemicals destroyed, nothing to worry about.
Quickly spread the idea of a “peace treaty” then any Russian or Syrian response could be said to be seeking to destabilise any chance of a peace process and the west can be up to its fun and games again to create more war where and where they see fit...

I also guess that can be said to be why no MSM had the balls to inform the public about US warships but the alternative media did. The MSM new this was planned and refused to report it.
What about when it’s a more serious attack?

MSM not fit for purpose
MS Social Media censored the news and alternative opinions as spam and “fake news”...

This was a much a test of war censorship online and how the media would react etc as to how they will deal with it/testing to see if they could deal with the media effectively and where and how the most information would leak out...

Seems to have been a whole ritual war game every way you look at it and covering the arse of the western establishment.
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