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Old 17-12-2012, 01:25 AM   #41
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Old 02-01-2013, 05:24 PM   #42
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Prediction #5: Plasma Formations in the Ancient Sky


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The illustrations of one interesting formation—the “squatter man” shown above--are taken from Peratt's recent paper in "Transactions on Plasma Science" of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, in December 2003. Peratt states his conclusion forthrightly: The recurring petroglyph patterns "are reproductions of plasma phenomena in space".

Peratt’s findings are particularly significant in their contrast to traditional explanations of rock art. The majority of rock art authorities, particularly those with primary interest in Native American sources, argue that only images of the sun, moon, and stars reflect actual celestial phenomena. Apart from such associations, most authorities claim that global patterns do not exist. Rather, they tell us, the ancient artists projected onto stone the subjective content of shamanistic trances. Peratt’s investigations say the opposite, and they confirm dozens of patterns of rock art that occur globally. Through massive labors, some apparently taking whole lifetimes according to Peratt, the artists recorded immense discharge phenomena in the heavens.

The “squatter man” configuration depicted above occurs when a disk or donut-like torus around a linear discharge column is bent by magnetic fields induced by intense current flow. From the viewpoint of the observer, the edges of the upper disk may appear to point up (forming "arms") and those of the lower torus may appear to point down (forming "legs"). The underlying “hourglass” pattern, with many subtle variations, occurs around the world.

To appreciate the evolution of this discharge configuration it is essential that one visualize it three dimensionally, as illustrated by the idealization above. The graphic image on the upper left utilizes a tonal gradient to indicate the structure of a translucent plasma discharge, where this structure would not be self evident in a rendition carved on rock. The key here is to recognize that rotating the configuration on its axis would not change the basic form or appearance to the observer. This fact will not be evident, however, in a simple carving on rock. To make the point, the accompanying image converts the illustration into black and white, which represents the way the configuration would likely appear in a stone carving.
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Stephen Jay Gould's review of Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision is worth reading. Here's a link: http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/...elikovsky.html
He comes to a rather ironic conclusion. Ironic because Gould fell victim to the very same thing he is explaining:

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How is a layman to judge rival claims of supposed experts? Any person with a gift for words can spin a persuasive argument about any subject not in the domain of a reader's personal expertise.
Because in his conclusion he dismisses much of Velikovsky by believing that the (absurd) scientific theory of plate tectonics is a fact. Plate tectonics is a dead end. A theory of theories explained by other theories which claim a theoretical convection cell is driving a process which spreads the ocean floor causing plates to move around and underneath other plates in a uniform (as opposed to uneven) fashion causing earthquakes and making mountains. And the continents have all merged to form one continent which broke up because the convection cell changed (no explanation give other than it needs to change). A process that will occur again. Tides used to be conjectured as part of the process but their weak effect has rejected them. The Earth's spin or a lopsided Earth with continents all on one side never really enters the theory because they don't fit it. Neither are mountains in places like Antarctica brought up because they don't fit either.

It's a mainstream "expert" example of confirmation bias. Ignore everything that doesn't fit. Add persuasive speakers into the mix and even mainstream science can convince the layman as well as themselves.

The Pacific Ocean was not mapped at the time the theory was developed. The Pacific Ocean floor alone debunks plate tectonics. The Americas fit into Asia and there are plenty of ridges to prove this. All ignored by plate tectonics. The ridges are uniformly spread out as you would expect on a sphere which has increased size. This expanding earth theory (or expanded earth as in it expanded once and suddenly) is rejected by the "experts" because they are too educated to think outside the dogma of there theories accepted for facts. There are many other factors obviously.

Anyways I don't take Velikovsky too seriously. But his basic celestial catastrophe argument is plausible and shouldn't be rejected because he interpreted experts wrong on occasion. Plate tectonics is the more ridiculous theory in comparison and its the one the "experts" believe in
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^^nice one,short and meaningful(very important for my lazy friends which im forwarding this stuff )

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Screamingeagle,

Another quick overview:



http://www.maverickscience.com/The%2...n%20theory.pdf

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The Saturn theory, in addition to presenting a comprehensive model of ancient myth, offers a radically different approach to understanding the recent history of the solar system.1 Briefly summarized, the theory posits that the neighboring planets only recently settled into their current orbits, the Earth formerly being involved in a unique planetary configuration of sorts together with Saturn, Venus, and Mars. As the terrestrial skywatcher looked upwards, he saw a spectacular and awe-inspiring apparition dominating the celestial landscape. At the heart of heaven the massive gas giant Saturn
appeared fixed atop the North polar axis, with Venus and Mars set within its center like two concentric orbs (see figure one, where Venus is the green orb and Mars the innermost red orb). The theory holds that the origin of ancient myth and religion—indeed the origin of the primary institutions of civilization itself—is inextricably linked to the numinous appearance and evolutionary history of this unique congregation of planets.
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It is noteworthy that the ancient sun-god was depicted in the very same manner by the earliest civilizations in Egypt and Mesopotamia. Figure three, for example, shows an Akkadian seal in which the Shamash disc is represented as an “eye-like” object, as in the first image in figure two. Figure four shows the Shamash disc as an eight-pointed star or wheel. Figure five shows the Shamash disc as an eight-petalled flower. Numerous other
variations upon these common themes could be provided, all impossible to reconcile with the appearance of the current solar orb.
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The “Saturn theory” receives additional support from the representation of the planet Venus in ancient art. A straightforward interpretation of the various images superimposed upon the “solar” disc in figure two would understand the first as an “eye”; the second as an eight-spoked wheel or “star”; and the third as an eight-petalled flower. Now it is a remarkable fact that the planet Venus is consistently associated with these very forms from one ancient culture to another. The ancient Sumerians, for example, represented Venus (as Inanna) as an eye-goddess, eight-pointed star, and eightpetalled flower or rosette. Consider the figurine represented in figure six, thousands of which were discovered by Max Mallowan during his excavations of the Inanna-precinct at Uruk. Similar “eye-goddesses” have been found throughout the ancient world, from Neolithic Europe to India.14 Figure seven shows an early cylinder seal from the Jemdet Nasr period (c. 3000 BCE), depicting Inanna as an “eye-goddess” alongside her familiar eight-petalled rosette.
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First time I've come across this theory. I have to say, it's a fascinating one.
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I have been wondering myself what would happen if one powerful ET force try to move Mars to the Earth's orbit, drove the moon out, and try to position Mars say 2 milion kilometers from the Earth.

Then try to drove nitrogen from Titan, and oxigen from water placed arround the Sun system and try to make Earth-Mars inhabitable binary planet system?
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First a big fuckup here on earth and after who knows
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Saturn's "largest ring":



Allegedly from a cave painting in Italy:







Pretend this is rotated with the shadow on top and compare

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12 And God said, “This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come: 13 I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth. 14 Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, 15 I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life. 16 Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth.”


Aborigine Austrailian "Rainbow Serpent". Compare to Egyptian "Nut":





Are these ancient rainbows, firmaments, "The Milky Way", "sky", or even "heaven" really referring to what we are told they refer to? Even at the proper latitude far from city lights, the Milky Way is not very impressive. Why did so many cultures envision some sort of 'god' like Atlas holding the Earth on his shoulders?

William Blake painting of Lucifer based on John Milton's Lucifer of Paradise Lost:







I'm not drawing conclusions here. Just trying to encourage thinking outside of the box...

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Good thread. I've been looking into Saturn theory ever since I went to Wembley and heard David speaking about it.

Only read the first page so far but the 'Velikovsky' theory - Carl Sagan briefly speaks about in his cosmos series:
I do believe in the moon-saturn matrix theory and the Saturn occult. I think it is for a lot of people as close as we can get for the time being. We just have to gather enormous amount of Data and make sense of it all...

Don't you have Jordan Maxwell (haven't really looked at his research at all), having information on Saturnism?


You have Barbra Marciniak - Earth (This is a audiobook ver. Best to either get the book or pdf but i'll post what Icke said at Wembley about it -



Now this got me thinking like couple of months ago when I brought some watermelons (they tasted like crap, whether I brought them from the Market or shops, seems have been the same batch of melons, really disgusting)... Anyways, I slice into it horizontally and I was amazed to what I saw... Complete numerology, Saturn, Satan, 666, Hexagon stuff. Not saying it implies that hexagon geometry is dark empowered or anything like that, just throwing it out there. I know fruit and the universe is made up of sacred geometry and how beautiful it really is but what does it mean?



I've posted this before in the symbolism thread but just astounding on how the watermelon looks like the ff8 attack, that saturn picture etc...

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Shiyoken,

Thanks for contributing with an original take and also to Believenothing for starting this topic. I know the other posters are offering their own unique take on the topic, but right now all I can do is fill in the dry information. Hopefully, I will be able to add more later in also unexampled positing.

Here's an interview with more dry information:

The Electric Sky: An Interview with the Author

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Q: Why do you think astronomers are rejecting these “electrical ideas”?

A: Since the days of Kepler (who correctly described the paths planets take) and Newton (who described the force that keeps them on those paths) astronomers have refused to consider that any other important forces or mechanisms might also be at work out there. Astrophysicists do not study electricity in graduate school. They are unfamiliar with it – they reject it out of ignorance. But since the advent of radio telescopes, x-ray telescopes and infrared telescopes, they are seeing new things that are not explainable by their old “gravity-only” theories.



Q: Do many other engineers and scientists agree with you about there being electricity in space?

A: I’m definitely not alone. I am in very good company. Several of the leaders of what I call the Plasma Cosmology Revolution were Nobel Prize winners: Swedish electrical engineer Hannes Alfvén is often called the father of Plasma Cosmology – he was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1970. It always comes as a shock to me that so few Swedes know about Alfvén’s work and what a giant among scientists he was.

Kristian Birkeland (whose picture is on the Norwegian 200K note) discovered that the aurorae are due to a flow of electric charges coming from the Sun. His ideas were viciously opposed by astrophysicists for decades until space probes were able to go beyond Earth’s ionosphere – then they showed Birkeland was right. At the time of his death in 1917, he was being considered by the Nobel awards committee.

Irving Langmuir coined the word "Plasma" to describe the form of matter we see so much of in space. He discovered many of its properties, invented clever ways to measure it, and was awarded the Nobel Prize for his work.

A year or so ago a group of well-known astrophysicists and plasma scientists published an open letter complaining about the short-sightedness of mainstream astronomers & cosmologists. It is now available at http://www.cosmologystatement.org/ so the basic ideas of plasma cosmology as presented in The ELECTRIC SKY are supported by many informed scientists.



Q: Are there such things as Black-Holes?

A: The short answer is no. Because astronomers are unable, using only Newtonian gravity, to explain various things (such as monstrously powerful galactic “jets”) that they are observing in the sky, they have invented an entire zoo of imaginary entities and forces. Black holes that emit jets of matter are among these. Their basic problem is that gravity only attracts – electromagnetic fields both attract and repel. That property is the cause of many of the new ejection phenomena we are seeing.



Q: How do you know Black Holes don’t exist? Can you prove they don’t exist?

A: The main difference between science and pseudoscience is that true scientists never propose unfalsifiable hypotheses and then challenge you to falsify them. For example there’s an old debating trick: “Prove to me there isn’t a rhinoceros under this table. It’s an invisible, unsmellable rhino, and you can’t feel it – it has no mass. But it is THERE. Prove to me it isn’t.” This kind of debating trick should not be used in science.

When this happens, a red flag should go up in our minds. We must reject quickly and forcefully any demand that we falsify a non-falsifiable theory. Non-falsifiable theories are, by definition, not scientific.

Another example just like this one occurred when the originator of the concept of black holes, said, “To me, the formation of a naked singularity [a black hole] is equivalent to jumping across the Gulf of Mexico. I would be willing to bet a million dollars that it can’t be done. But I can’t prove that it can’t be done.”

What he is actually saying is – YOU can’t prove that black holes don’t exist, so I am free to use the concept as often as I like. It is a non-falsifiable hypothesis. It is intellectually dishonest. In logic this is called the fallacy of argumentum ad ignorantiam, meaning “argument from ignorance.” The fallacy occurs when it is argued that something must be true, simply because it hasn’t been proved false. Well-known properties of plasma are responsible for what astronomers say “black-holes” are doing.



Q: Can you tell us in just a couple of sentences the most important ideas in Plasma Cosmology.

A: Interplanetary space, interstellar space, and intergalactic space are all filled with ions and electrons (electric charges) – we call this Plasma. Our space probes have measured it. Radio telescopes tell us there are vast magnetic fields there too – and long filaments of moving charges (electric currents). These filaments make up a vast stringy spaghetti-like structure of interconnected paths upon which stars and galaxies form and which are surrounded by magnetic fields. The electromagnetic forces that exist in this environment vastly overpower gravitational forces.



Q: So you are saying that stars and planets are somehow formed by electric currents? What about the “accretion disks” that astronomers say condense down into stars and planets.

A: These long filaments are called “Birkeland currents” and they have a property of being able to squeeze clouds of matter together - this is called the “z-pinch” effect. It’s not magic – it is a well-documented phenomenon that we see in the laboratory. On the other hand, “accretion disks” are one of those off-the-cuff inventions thrown out by astronomers to a gullible public. You can’t make accretion disks accrete in lab experiments or in computer simulations. If our solar system is the result of an “accretion disk” then answer this question: Neptune’s moon Triton travels “backward” in its orbit around Neptune. In other words, if we look down on the north poles of both Neptune and Triton, the planet rotates in the usual counter-clockwise direction, but its moon travels clockwise in its orbit. Clearly, if both these bodies were formed from the same rotating “accretion disk,” their angular momentums should not be in opposite directions. At least five of the smallest moons of Jupiter also exhibit this same “strange” behavior. Venus rotates backwards on its axis. How did it get that motion from an accretion disk that made all the other planets rotate the other way? And how can a swirling cloud of dust and matter "accrete" (get smaller)? Such a shrinking process would increase its rotational velocity - just like a twirling ice skater who brings her arms in closer to her body in order to spin faster.



Q: Have plasma cosmologists such as you made any predictions that have been successful? Astronomers have made lots of successful predictions.

A: Oh really? Name one. They claim they have. But they haven’t. Take for example the results of helioseismology – astronomers claim they have “probed the Sun” and found that their models “predict” the oscillations and resonances occurring in the Sun with fantastic accuracy. Not true. First, nobody can “probe” the Sun. We can’t get at it – it’s too hot. What astronomers did is sit here on Earth and observe fluctuations in the light coming from the Sun. They then made up a set of mathematical equations that produces the same sort of oscillating signal. It is easy to make up the mathematical model AFTER you see the data. That’s not a prediction. If their equation has enough terms they can get 100% correspondence with the data. That’s a posteriori DESCRIPTION not a PREDICTION.

Do you remember the “Deep Impact” experiment a year or so ago – NASA threw a block of copper into a comet. They said this head-on collision was going to produce a crater on the comet and the photographs they would take of the shape of this new crater were going to tell us what the comet was made of. A colleague of mine, Wal Thornhill, made a real prediction: Because of the properties of the plasma surrounding the Sun (sometimes called the “solar wind”) Wal suggested that the onrushing comet would be at a different voltage from the block of copper. Therefore, just before the physical collision, there would be a spark discharge, a flash that would precede the main collision. This is exactly what happened. NASA said “What you see is something really surprising”. They could not explain it. The reaction of mainstream astrophysics – even after Thornhill’s prediction had been so singularly correct, so on the mark – was an abrupt, off-hand rejection: “It’s complete cobblers,” said Dr. David Hughes, comet expert and professor of astrophysics at Britain’s University of Sheffield. “Absolute balderdash. Electricity on the surface of a comet? Forget about it. It’s not a contender.” Those who refuse to learn are doomed to continuing ignorance.

In 1996 the European Space Agency’s ROSAT satellite observed x-rays being emitted from Comet Hyakutake. Astronomers were again “surprised.” A non-electrical “dusty snow-ball” would not do that. But x-rays are expected from a high-voltage double layer such as would enclose a comet’s plasma sheath. So we are gaining more and more evidence that comets are good examples of an electrical phenomenon – mainstream astronomers not only do not believe it – they get downright insulting to anyone who mentions the idea.

How does your dentist produce x-rays? Does he throw snowballs around his office?



Q: Well, given your feelings about accepted astronomical theories, what do you think about the Big Bang?

A: Let me return the compliment – It’s complete cobblers, it’s balderdash. One of the fundamental assumptions on which the Big Bang hypothesis is based is that if light coming from an object in deep space exhibits a property called “redshift”, then this object must be extremely distant and also be going away from us very rapidly. They say they observe this very often and this is why the universe is expanding away from the point where the Bang happened. A very well-known astronomer (he was Edwin Hubble’s assistant), Halton C. Arp, has taken dozens of images of objects that have very different redshift values that are connected together. If they are physically connected by bridges of matter, then they cannot be at vastly different distances from us. He even has an image of a high redshift quasar that is in front of a low redshift galaxy. If the high redshift object is closer to us than the low redshift galaxy, then that disproves the “redshift = distance” basis of the Big Bang.

There are many other deficiencies in the Big Bang theory. The density of the universe predicted by the BB theory when the density of light elements like Lithium, Helium and Deuterium are considered are self contradictory.

Big Bang proponents like to say the measured temperature of the Cosmic Background Radiation proves the BB Theory. What they don’t tell you is that one of the most famous BB proponents, George Gamov, predicted that the temperature of the CMB would be 50 Kelvin. Many other estimates in the range 2.8 to 7 Kelvin had already been made by non-BB astrophysicists. When the temperature was finally determined (3Kelvin), Big Bangers immediately claimed that was what they "had said all along." It wasn’t. That is a lie. Everyone else had gotten closer to the right answer – their guess was 16 times too large.

For the BB to be correct, 96% of the matter in the universe has to be invisible and not measurable. A cosmology that leaves 96% of the universe unexplained is something less than a riotous success.

My friend Eric Lerner says that “The essence of science is asking questions of nature, so Big Bang proponents are people who won’t take No for an answer."



Q: Your name is linked with the Electric Sun idea. Is the Sun powered from the outside electrically?

A: We aren’t sure. It may well be. This is the most speculative part of Plasma Cosmology. Much more data needs to be collected before we can make a definite decision on this. Clearly the present nuclear fusion model has a bunch of problems associated with it. The Electric Sun model has none of these difficulties and offers simpler explanations for many of the things we observe about the Sun. The following points are addressed in the book:

Neutrinos (too few?). The SNO announcement is logically flawed.

No continuous fusion reaction has ever been achieved. It may be impossible – plasma instabilities.

Why does the Sun have a corona at all?

Why does the Sun rotate faster at its equator than at its poles?

Why are the umbrae of sunspots the coolest points on the surface?

Why is the bottom of the corona 2 million K hotter than the surface?

Why does the strength of the solar wind vary? (It completely shut off for two days a few years ago.)



Q: Why do astronomers refuse to study experimental plasma physics?

A: I don’t know other than fear of the peer review system – fear of losing their funding – fear of being ostracized. BB proponents have won the fight for control of the scientific power structure. If you try to get a job in an astronomy department and repeat any of the ideas I present in the ELECTRIC SKY, you will not get the position. If you apply for a research grant, you will not get it. If you try to get a paper published. It will be rejected.

Astro-science has blinders on. NASA freely admits it will not fund any research antithetical to the BB. Blinders may be good for a horse pulling a wagon – they are not good for science – the new fact you are looking for may be off to the side of the road or in the middle of the field you are ignoring.



Q: We often hear about Missing Matter and Dark Energy. What are they?

A: They are examples of those “invented fictional entities” I mentioned.

Missing matter was invented because there isn’t enough real matter in the outer reaches of galaxies to account for how they rotate if the only mechanism you are willing to consider is gravity.

Dark Energy is a force that “has to exist” if the expansion of the universe is to be explainable by Einstein’s General Relativity.

WIMPs, MACHOs, neutron stars, and the “strings” in String Theory are similar fabrications.

All of these are Fictional Ad hoc Inventions Repeatedly Invoked in Efforts to Defend Untenable Scientific Theories – FAIRIE DUST.



Q: Why should the average person care about this debate?

A: Several reasons:

Basic fairness – After Halton Arp challenged the BB theory he was prohibited from using any of the big telescopes in the US.

To avoid being cheated – NASA’s yearly budget is about 15 Billion dollars, paid for by American taxpayers.

Just to get the true story, and not a bunch of fairie tales. Nobody likes to be "sold a bill-of-goods".

The public is now being told that only the “experts” can understand the complexities of cosmology (such as warped 11-dimensional space, inflatons, Heteronic-M theory, and why 96% of the universe is invisible, etc.). Unless you can understand the tremendously abstract mathematics in which their tales are shrouded, you should consider yourself somewhat incapable if not truly stupid and leave these questions to your intellectual betters. It is the story of the Emperor’s New Clothes.



Q: Where can the average person learn more about the electrical properties of space?

A: There are several places:

Of course get a copy of The ELECTRIC SKY and read it !!

There are many websites. Here are a couple you may find interesting:

Thunderbolts info

Links from Electric-Cosmos.org
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Good thread. I've been looking into Saturn theory ever since I went to Wembley and heard David speaking about it.

Only read the first page so far but the 'Velikovsky' theory - Carl Sagan briefly speaks about in his cosmos series: Cosmos: "Velikovsky" - YouTube

I do believe in the moon-saturn matrix theory and the Saturn occult. I think it is for a lot of people as close as we can get for the time being. We just have to gather enormous amount of Data and make sense of it all...

Don't you have Jordan Maxwell (haven't really looked at his research at all), having information on Saturnism?

The Cult of Saturn 'Saturnalia' - Jordan Maxwell (full) - YouTube

You have Barbra Marciniak - Earth (This is a audiobook ver. Best to either get the book or pdf but i'll post what Icke said at Wembley about it - Barbara Marciniak - Earth - Book 1994 - YouTube

David Icke 'Saturn's ET Ringmakers & Mankinds Enslavement' - YouTube

David Icke - Remember Who You Are - Saturn Moon Matrix - Wembley Arena London 2012 - YouTube

666 — The Cult Of Saturn (01:02:04) - YouTube

Now this got me thinking like couple of months ago when I brought some watermelons (they tasted like crap, whether I brought them from the Market or shops, seems have been the same batch of melons, really disgusting)... Anyways, I slice into it horizontally and I was amazed to what I saw... Complete numerology, Saturn, Satan, 666, Hexagon stuff. Not saying it implies that hexagon geometry is dark empowered or anything like that, just throwing it out there. I know fruit and the universe is made up of sacred geometry and how beautiful it really is but what does it mean?



I've posted this before in the symbolism thread but just astounding on how the watermelon looks like the ff8 attack, that saturn picture etc...

Hurricane Erin, 9/11

Seems to go through stages;


Here looks pentagonal.


Here looks square.


Seems to be a regular feature of hurricanes, alternating between hexagonal and pentagonal, with occasional squares.

Hurricane Isabel;


Have to say, fantastic thread guys, the Saturn stuff is very interesting, especially the theory of a different solar system orbital make up than today - i have always suspected the skies were different in the past.

I am particularly open to the expanding Earth theory against the tectonic plate theory which i believe explains the continental drift much better!

Keep up the info, great stuff!
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SATURN/KRONOS -Nightmare on Elm st

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=220909

Probably best to look at this thread, instead of me copying and pasting some of the stuff from it. Kudos to fudgetusk for the information and other thread posters.

I want to look at this a lot more deeper but I'm in the deep end at college, so I will contribute later on! Keep up the good work everyone, this is some interesting stuff! ! We probably need to look at all media sources: Movies, books, T.V shows, Music! Its in everything because of their territoriality type nature (dogs pissing on trees or Humans tagging/symbolizing with words/pictures).
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Good thread. I've been looking into Saturn theory ever since I went to Wembley and heard David speaking about it.

Only read the first page so far but the 'Velikovsky' theory - Carl Sagan briefly speaks about in his cosmos series: Cosmos: "Velikovsky" - YouTube

I do believe in the moon-saturn matrix theory and the Saturn occult. I think it is for a lot of people as close as we can get for the time being. We just have to gather enormous amount of Data and make sense of it all...

Don't you have Jordan Maxwell (haven't really looked at his research at all), having information on Saturnism?

The Cult of Saturn 'Saturnalia' - Jordan Maxwell (full) - YouTube

You have Barbra Marciniak - Earth (This is a audiobook ver. Best to either get the book or pdf but i'll post what Icke said at Wembley about it - Barbara Marciniak - Earth - Book 1994 - YouTube

David Icke 'Saturn's ET Ringmakers & Mankinds Enslavement' - YouTube

David Icke - Remember Who You Are - Saturn Moon Matrix - Wembley Arena London 2012 - YouTube

666 — The Cult Of Saturn (01:02:04) - YouTube

Now this got me thinking like couple of months ago when I brought some watermelons (they tasted like crap, whether I brought them from the Market or shops, seems have been the same batch of melons, really disgusting)... Anyways, I slice into it horizontally and I was amazed to what I saw... Complete numerology, Saturn, Satan, 666, Hexagon stuff. Not saying it implies that hexagon geometry is dark empowered or anything like that, just throwing it out there. I know fruit and the universe is made up of sacred geometry and how beautiful it really is but what does it mean?



I've posted this before in the symbolism thread but just astounding on how the watermelon looks like the ff8 attack, that saturn picture etc...

I think it means that Icke is bang on the money when he says this reality is a perpetuated by the frequencies of Saturn. It would explain why nature has all the sacred geometry of hexagons and cubes etc.

And don't get me wrong, I don't think this is an entirely negative thing just because 'they' have hijacked it all, but it makes perfect sense when you look at the evidence.

Snow is shaped like a hexagram too! I've always wondered why it never forms as anything else except patterns of hexagrams until I heard the theory about the Saturn matrix.



Humans are the shape of a cube when unpacked, hence the crucifix position and 666 = 6 protons, 6 neutrons, 6 electrons, everything man is made up of - hence 'The number of the beast' the beast... is man.



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Spiraling filaments suggest electric currents in space.


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Dust at a temperature near absolute zero shows up in the image above as a blue fog deep in the heart of the Eagle nebula. The Eagle nebula, located in the constellation Serpens approximately 7000 light-years away, is supposedly an active “star nursery”. It is a multi-spectral cloud of gas mixed with microscopic particles of dust.

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