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Old 17-08-2012, 11:55 PM   #21
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[INDENT]"When the Hebrews left Egypt and arrived in Canaan, their religion was influenced by the Canaanite religion
When the Hebrews left Egypt, they were still Egyptians who took Akhenatens sun cult religion through the Sinai desert. Moses was an Egyptian and Judaism is a further development of Akhenatens Solar religion which was the first monotheistic religion...


Moses and Monotheism

There is a tradition of considering Moses as an Egyptian rather than a Hebrew, which Freud also did in Moses and Monotheism, Not as implausible as it might sound to those familiar only with the traditional story. The familiar Biblical story self describes Moses as growing up as an Egyptian prince, and Moses is an Egyptian name. The research about Amon/Amen as to why it is being used today after people say " The Lord's Prayer" and end up calling to and closing by saying "Amen" has been the focus of this hub. The search to the origins of the Word or name Amon/Amen revealed in this hub that the origins of Monotheism were tied with the the story of Amun as he was lifted into prominence around the 5th Dynasty by the High Priests of Thebes, required that a historical straight path be drawn linking up Amoun'Amen with Akhenaton and Moses, which, I speculated, will lead us to Understanding why we end up in our prayers, in whatever language, with the salutation, "Amen" Thus far, it is becoming clearer that the use of Amen in our prayers is a forgotten ancient histrical mind-set as to why is Amen an ever-enduring name for over ten millenniums. If we are able to trace Amoun/Amen from the primodial epoch, and the effect that this had on Akhenaton,then we can see how Akhenaton got to his philossphy and religious conception of Aten, because he had deep knowledge of Amoun/Amen so that one can see some of the themes, tributes and elelments of the attributes of Amoun/Amen in his hymns and religious philosophy; and we move closer to our time by interrogating the story of Moses and Monotheism, and how this is linked to the story of Akhenaton. It is always important that we know things as much clearer and closer, broader and deeper into to the truth or the original story or history in order to make informed decisions and retain positive knowledge about Amoun/Amen and the role they have played in our understanding the importance of saying Amon,Amen today, and throughout time- and what that means or may mean or is.

Sigmund Freud informs us: "The man Moses, the liberator of his people, who gave them their religion and their laws, belonged to an age so remote that the preliminary question arise whether he was a historical person or a legendary figure. If he lived, his time was the thirteenth of fourteenth century B.C. We have no word of him except from the Holy books and written traditions of the Jews. Although the decision lacks final historical certainty, the great majority of historians have expressed the opinion that Moses did live and that the Exodus from Egypt, led by him, did in fact take place. It has been maintained with good reason that the later history of Israel could not be understood if this were to admitted.

The monotheistic Aton religion was crushed in Egypt, but it did not perish entirely; since there was a young priest Moshe(Moses) who had received his theological education at the Temple of Heliopolis, and who became the disciple of Akhenaton. When Atonism was was suppressed in Egypt, Moses led a group of heretics out of the country and reestablished the religion in Palestine. The Egyptian historian, Manetho, is our authority for saying that Moses was an Egyptian Priest. His opinion was endorsed by Strabo, who wrote: "Moses, who was one of the Egyptian priest, taught his followers that it was an egregious error to represent the deity under the form of animals, as the Egyptians did, or in the shape of man, as was the practice of the Greeks and Africans.

Mosche, as it is written in Hebrew, whom we know today told of a young princess as Moses. Exodus Chapter ii has answered that by telling of a story of an Egyptian princess who saved the baby. Breasted's explanation helps us cut through the various explanation causing cacophony and confusion- Breasted writes: "It is important to notice that his name, Moses, was Egyptian. It is simply the Egyptian word 'mose' meaning 'child,' and this is an abridgment of a fuller from of such names as 'Amen-mose' meaning 'Amon-a-child' or 'Ptah-mose,' meaning 'Ptah-a-child,' these forms themselves being likewise abbreviations for the complete form 'Amon- (has given a child') or 'Ptah- (has-given -a-child.) The abbreviation 'child early became a convenient rapid form for the cumbrous full name, and the name Mose,, 'child'' is not uncommon on the Egyptian monuments. the father of moses without doubt doubt prefixed to his son's name that of an Egyptian god like Amon or Ptah, and his divine name was gradually lost in current usage, till the boy was called 'mose'. As he grew up and became a high Priest, and in the final analysis led the followers of Aten into the wilderness, it is clear that he assed on his knwledge gained from being a disciple of AKhenaton and his religion. The Jewish religion did not speak of anything beyond the the grave, for such a doctrine is reconcilable with the strictest monotheism. Being perplexed disappears if we go back from the Jewish religion to the Aton religion and surmise that this feature was taken over from the Aton religion, since for Akhenaton, it was a necessity in fighting the popular religion, where the death-god, Osiris, played perhaps a greater part than any god of the upper regions(See and Read my Hub "Egypt(Kemet, Alkebuland): The Egytpain Book of the Dead - The Negative confession. Part 1 and Part 2), in order to fully understand the role played by Osiris, God and Judge of the Dead in after life.

Moses, did not enjoy an unqualified success in his promulgation of the new religion since many of his followers still recognized the old gods: "But in vain did he proscribe the worship of symbols which prevailed in Lower Egypt and Phoenicia, for his god was, nevertheless, an Egyptian god invented by those priests of whom Moses had been the disciple. ... In vain did Moses wish to blot from is religion everything which had relation to the stars; many traits call them to mind in spite of all he has done. The seven planetary luminaries of the great candlestick; the twelve stones, or signs in the Urim of the high priests; the feasts of the two equinoxes (entrances and gates of the two hemispheres); the ceremony of the lamb the celestial ram, then in the fifteenth degree); ... all remains so may witnesses of the filiation of his ideas, and of their extraction form the common course.

As has been noted above, there are differing views as to how the religion of Akhenaton got to be powerful and spread around the world, and taken up by the Jewish people according to a myriad scholarly works, a certain consistency emerges. That of Moses being an Egyptian and having taught the principles of Aten to his follower and recognizing the existence of One God. There is a historical narrative that traces the route taken by the believers of Aten into what is the belief of one God amongst the Jews and role played by the original monotheistic Amoun/Amen Religion.
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Old 18-08-2012, 07:10 AM   #22
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No, I think Yahweh very much comes from the Canaanites, and is a god of Saturn. Jesus is the Sun god derived from the Egyptian religion...
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Old 18-08-2012, 09:46 AM   #23
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Old 19-08-2012, 12:15 AM   #24
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Very interesting Kasalt...

I do hope that the hexagon on Saturn is just a coincidence because, if it isn't, how did the ancient peoples observe such a formation on Saturn? It's not visible to the naked eye!
It may not have been a coincidence after all...

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No, I think Yahweh very much comes from the Canaanites, and is a god of Saturn. Jesus is the Sun god derived from the Egyptian religion...
By the way, it is perhaps also no coincidence that the words SUN and SON are homophones. According to esoteric Christianity, the sun is a visible representation of the Son of God (Malachi 4:2), and the words "sun" and "son" were designed to be homophones so that people would associate the sun with the Son, and so come to faith in the Son of God. This is why Jesus was resurrected on Sunday (Mark 16:2, 16:9), rather than on some other day of the week. Christ was found to have risen from the grave on Sunday morning (compare Mark 16:2 with Mark 16:6), hence Christ's followers have come to worship on Sunday. Sunday is the day of the Sun, and it is the day the Son rose from the dead, hence Sunday is called "the Lord's Day" (Revelation 1:10).

In the gospel of John, Jesus was referring to the sun when he referred to "the light of this world":
Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbles not, because he sees the light of this world. (John 11:9)
And in the same gospel, Jesus also referred to himself as "the light of the world":
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that follows me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. (John 8:12)
So we see that scripture likens the Son with the sun, and that is why Christians observe Sunday--because it is the day of the Son and the day of the Sun, all of which is no coincidence. Notice the connection between Sunrise and Sonrise in these verses:
Mark 16:2, 16:6
Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen...But he said to them, “Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He is risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid Him.
When the Sun rose, the Son also rose! That was not a coincidence. The Son's rise was prophesied by Malachi by likening His resurrection to the rise of the Sun:
Malachi 4:2
But to you who fear My name the Sun of Righteousness shall arise with healing in His wings;
Notice that Malachi likens Jesus Christ, the Son of God, with the Sun, and compares His resurrection with the rise of the Sun. As the Sun rises (in a manner of speaking), the Son also rises!

Jesus, the Son, is likened to the Sun in Luke 1:67, 78-79 NIV:
His father Zechariah was filled with the Holy Spirit and prophesied: "...because of the tender mercy of our God, by which the rising sun will come to us from heaven to shine on those living in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the path of peace.
Other scripture passages do the same, such as 2 Peter 1:19:
And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts;
The Sun is the bridegroom in Psalm 19:1, 4-5:
The heavens declare the glory of God...In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber...
The Son is the bridegroom in John 3:29:
He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
...All of which is why Christians refer to Sunday as "the Lord's Day" (compare Malachi 4:2 with Mark 16:9 and Rev 1:10).

Sunday is the day of the Sun, and Saturday is the day of Saturn. The "star" referred to in Amos 5:26 as "Chiun" is apparently a reference to Saturn, according to a number of biblical reference works. The early Christian leader, Stephen, repeated Amos' charge in Acts 7:43 just before he was stoned by the Jewish religious leaders of his day.

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Old 19-08-2012, 05:18 PM   #26
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Good points Kasalt...

Going back to religion being based upon celestial movements - Christmas happens during the winter solstace, the shortest day of the year where, after that, the days become longer as if the Sun has been 'reborn'... Now, Christmas falls on the date of Saturnalia, but it is also a celebration of the birth of Jesus, the Son/Sun.

The Nativity is full of celestial symbolism, for example -

The 'three kings' is commonly the name for the 3 stars in Orion's belt. On Christmas, these stars aline with the star Sirius (the brightest star in the sky), which, in turn, alines with the Sun... So it appears that the 3 kings are following the brightest star to the Son.
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I think Yahweh very much comes from the Canaanites, and is a god of Saturn. Jesus is the Sun god derived from the Egyptian religion...
Just found this:
Manly P. Hall (1901-1990), mystic and a 33rd degree mason, taught that each of the three Abrahamic faiths has a planet that governs that religion. Judaism is Saturn: the symbol of Judaism is a hexagram symbol of Saturn, and the day of worship is on Saturday, day of Saturn. Christianity is the Sun: the symbol of Christianity is the cross symbol of the Sun, and the day of worship is Sunday, day of the Sun. Islam is Venus: the symbol of Islam is the star and crescent (the star commonly thought to represent Venus), and the day of worship is on Friday, day of Venus.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroth...Astro-theology

I wasn't aware that Venus was associated with Friday, so I did some more searching, and sure enough:
The name Friday comes from the Old English Frīġedæġ, meaning the "day of Frige", a result of an old convention equivocating the Old English goddess Frige with the Roman goddess Venus, with whom the day is associated in many different cultures...The word for Friday in most Romance languages is derived from Latin dies Veneris or "day of Venus" (a translation of Greek Aphrodites hemera) such as vendredi in French, venerdì in Italian, viernes in Spanish, divendres in Catalan, vennari in Corsican, and vineri in Romanian.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday#Etymology

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Going back to religion being based upon celestial movements -
Consider Psalm 19:
1 The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
2 Day after day they pour forth speech;
night after night they reveal knowledge.
3 They have no speech, they use no words;
no sound is heard from them.
4 Yet their voice goes out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.
Psalm 19 is a clear reference to astrotheology. It explicitly states that the celestial objects and their movements convey deep spiritual meaning and religious significance.

In the New Testament, the apostle Paul refers to astrotheology in Romans 1:19-20:
What may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made.
Paul again references astrotheology in Romans 10:18, in which he quotes Psalm 19:4 in support of his teaching that God preached the gospel of Christ to the Jews via the sun, moon, and stars.

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Christmas happens during the winter solstace, the shortest day of the year where, after that, the days become longer as if the Sun has been 'reborn'... Now, Christmas falls on the date of Saturnalia, but it is also a celebration of the birth of Jesus, the Son/Sun.
Wikipedia's article on Saturnalia states:
According to Porphyry, the Saturnalia occurred near the winter solstice because the sun enters Capricorn, the astrological house of Saturn, at that time. In the Saturnalia of Macrobius, the proximity of the Saturnalia to the winter solstice leads to an exposition of solar monotheism, the belief that the Sun (see Sol Invictus) ultimately encompasses all divinities as one.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturna...sophical_views

St. Paul champions this doctrine of Sol Invictus in 1 Corinthians 8:4-6:
Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one. For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.

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Marpat - If the Bible were to clearly state 'We kill babies for Yahweh', I doubt many would follow the religion, as child sacrifice is generally frowned upon. As I researched the subject it became harder and harder to find information, but it's there, just well hidden. I think child sacrifice is still practiced today among the elites.

Alvaro - I don't think the planet Saturn is evil, which is why I didn't write about the planet. I'm talking about Saturn the God, and his origins. The Greeks witnessed Israelite child sacrifice to Yahweh/El, so they worked it into the story surrounding their equivalent, Cronus/Saturn. Remember the Moloch statue appears to eat the child - they included that in their mythology, only in the literal sense.
Well if you READ the BIBLE you'll find the OP is correct. Yahweh himself says in Ezekiel 20, that "i polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that i might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that i am the LORD".

Yahweh says he caused them to sacrifice their firstborn children by fire so that they would fear him and obey him - know that he is the LORD (i.e. their master...)

That's what the Biblical God says and it's in the bible for all to see.

That's who you are worshipping as christians or jews.
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Yahweh changed his mind in Exodus however and forbade child sacrifice. Probably because he didn't want to give himself a bad name for posterity... he knew the world was going to worship him one day...

However he had no issues in slaughtering the firstborn sons of the Egyptians in order to get the Israelites set free. So not so many issues with slaughtering children if the need arose. The reason given was that the Egyptian Pharoah put many Israelite sons to death e.g. Moses escapted. But still.

Also in Ezekiel 20; he says "wherefore i gave them also statues that were not good; and judgements whereby they should not live"..."and i polluted them in their own gifts"...

so he's saying the 'gifts' he gave to these people (statues - and laws) were BAD. and that HE KNEW they shouldn't live by these laws. The biblical god admits to leading humans astray for his own purposes - to basically getting them to kill their firstborn children horribly so that they would fear and worship him...

he's admitting to manipulation of the human race for his own ends. He's an alien by the way. of some type. the ufo was cloaked with a cloud - it was what the Israelites followed during exodus; it's technology would have parted the red sea so they could cross.

but feel free to worship him as a god if you like...
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Oh and the manipulation techniques sound to me a lot like the Protocols of Zion. Which comes from the secret society network.

They say that humans are to be distracted by video games, porn, sport etc... so that they can be manipulated...

that humans will be fed incorrect and wrong philosophies and ways of living - that the aliens know are false and wrong - but their intent is to weaken and control humans so they don't care.
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Well if you READ the BIBLE you'll find the OP is correct. Yahweh himself says in Ezekiel 20, that "i polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that i might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that i am the LORD".

Yahweh says he caused them to sacrifice their firstborn children by fire so that they would fear him and obey him - know that he is the LORD (i.e. their master...)

That's what the Biblical God says and it's in the bible for all to see.

That's who you are worshipping as christians or jews.
Exactly! I found the same quote and included it in my blog entry.

When you say Yahweh is an alien, are you refering to Ancient Astonaut Theory? I think the theory explains a lot about our past, of particular interest to me -

How the ancient peoples carved out and moved megalithic rocks to build pyramids and other structures

How they had advanced knowledge of astronomy - perhaps they knew about the hexagon on Saturn because of this Kasalt!

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Continuing research on the subject...

H.P. Blavatsky notes the following in Isis Unveiled:
"Ialdabaoth, the "Son of Darkness" and the creator of the material world, was made to inhabit the planet Saturn, which identifies him still more with the Jewish Jehovah, who was Saturn himself, according to the Ophites (page 294)...In the Old Testament, Jehovah exhibits all the attributes of old Saturn, notwithstanding his metamorphoses from Adoni into eloi, and God of Gods, Lord of Lords (page 513).
Link to source: http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/isis/iu1-15.htm

On page 587 of H.P. Blavatsky's Isis Unveiled, she wrote:
Now, we have but to remember that Siva and the Palentinian Baal, or Moloch, and Saturn are identical; that Abraham is held until the present day by the Mahometan Arabs as Saturn in the Kaaba; that Abraham and Israel were names of Saturn; and that Sanchoniathon tells us that Saturn offered his only-begotten son as a sacrifice to his father Ouranos, and even circumcised himself and forced all his household and allies to do the same, to trace unerringly the biblical myth to its source. But this source is neither Phoenician, nor Chaldean; it is purely Indian, and the original of it may be found in the Maha-Bharata.
And on page 263, she states:
It may be easily proved that from time immemorial Saturn or Kronos, whose ring, most positively, was discovered by the Chaldean astrologers, and whose symbolism is no "coincidence," was considered the father of Zeus, before the latter became himself the father of all the gods, and was the highest deity… "Zeus," says an Orphic hymn, "is the first and the last, the head, and the extremities; from him have proceeded all things. He is a man and an immortal nymph (male and female element); the soul of all things; and the principal motor in fire; he is the sun and the moon; the fountain of the ocean; the demiurgus of the universe; one power, one God; the mighty creator and governor of the cosmos. Everything, fire, water, earth, ether, night, the heavens, Metis, the primeval architecturess (the Sophia of the Gnostics, and the Sephira of the Kabalists), the beautiful Eros, Cupid, all is included within the vast dimensions of his glorious body!"
Elsewhere, there is also this interesting quote:
For the Babylonians as well as the Romans, the ‘star of the sun god’ was the planet Saturn; it is the sixth planet out from the sun, and the Chaldean (Babylonian) number for the deity that would come to be known as the Roman god Saturn was 666.

Saturn means ‘war-like’.

Amos 5:26 says: But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.

Likewise, in Acts 7:43, it says: Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

The word ‘Remphan’ in the above verse is the same as the word ‘Chiun’ from the verse in Amos, which is Arabian for Saturn.

“….the Palestinian Baal, or Moloch, and Saturn are identical”….(emphasis mine)

Madame Blavatsky also states that “The god of time was Chium in Egypt, or Saturn..”

The Roman god Saturn is the god of witchcraft, astrology, potions, divination and false prophecy.

He makes you a slave to time, controls the harvest, and demands the sacrifice of your beloved children.
Link to source: http://www.deconstructingjezebel.com...od-Saturn.html

Also from page 236 of Isis Unveiled, we find this quote:
Whoever has lived in India long enough to acquaint himself even superficially with the native deities, must detect the similarity between Jehovah and other gods besides Siva. As Saturn, the latter was always held in great respect by the Talmudists. He was held in reverence by the Alexandrian kabalists as the direct inspirer of the law and the prophets; one of the names of Saturn was Israel, and we will show, in time, his identity in a certain way with Abram, which Movers and others hinted at long since. Thus it cannot be wondered at if Valentinus, Basilides, and the Ophite Gnostics placed the dwelling of their Ilda-Baoth, also a destroyer as well as a creator, in the planet Saturn; for it was he who gave the law in the wilderness and spoke through the prophets. If more proof should be required we will show it in the testimony of the canonical Bible itself. In Amos the "Lord" pours vials of wrath upon the people of Israel. He rejects their burnt-offerings and will not listen to their prayers, but inquires of Amos, "have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel?" "But ye have borne the tabernacles of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god"(v. 25, 26). Who are Moloch and Chiun but Baal — Saturn — Siva, and Chiun, Kivan, the same Saturn whose star the Israelites had made to themselves? There seems no escape in this case; all these deities are identical.
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The first mention of the six-pointed star in Israelite literature was in Amos 5:26, when YAWEH angrily tells His people that " I hate and despise your feast days…. You shall take up Siccuth, your king and Chiun your images, the star of your God…."



Siccuth (Sakkuth) and Chiun (Kaiwan) means "star" and refers to Saturn as a star, and was objects of idolatrous worship, as they were considered to be Assyrian gods. The mixed multitude that went out of Egypt with the children of Israel took the star with them. Like the obelisk, the six-pointed star was an Egyptian idol used in idolatrous worship. In 922 B.C. when Solomon married the daughter of Pharoah, he became involved in Egyptian idol worship and went into magic, and witchcraft. Solomon built an altar to Ashtoreth and Moloch, and the six-pointed star, the chief symbol of human sacrifices in magic and witchcraft circles, came to be called the Seal of Solomon.

Did you know that the number 666 was connected to Solomon? (1 Kings 10:14) Yes, 666 talents of gold was sent to Solomon each year by none other than the King of Tyrus. After you have read this account in the book of 1 Kings, turn to Ezekiel Chapter 28. Oh, what a tangled web was weaved, when Solomon practised to deceive. King Solomon left many articles which proved his blatant idolatry, such as King Solomon's Mirror, King Solomon's Comb, and the six-pointed star, which became known as the Seal of Solomon in the witchcraft and occult world. Solomon also laid down the foundations of the Craft which later became known as Freemasonry, and the six-pointed star features prominently in Masonic rituals.

Because this symbol is comprised of a six within a six within a six (i.e. 6 points, 6 triangles, 6 sides of the inner hexagon) the research also includes a look at the 666 prophecies in the Book of Daniel etc., regarding the "willful king" (anti-Christ) and the "mark of the Beast."
Source: http://www.cephas-library.com/israel...nted_star.html
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Good points Kasalt...

Going back to religion being based upon celestial movements - Christmas happens during the winter solstace, the shortest day of the year where, after that, the days become longer as if the Sun has been 'reborn'... Now, Christmas falls on the date of Saturnalia, but it is also a celebration of the birth of Jesus, the Son/Sun.

The Nativity is full of celestial symbolism, for example -

The 'three kings' is commonly the name for the 3 stars in Orion's belt. On Christmas, these stars aline with the star Sirius (the brightest star in the sky), which, in turn, alines with the Sun... So it appears that the 3 kings are following the brightest star to the Son.
Where is the evidence that the three stars of the Belt were known as the 'Three Kings'?

Sirius is always aligned with the Belt not just at the winter solstice. At the solstice Sirius appears to point at the place on the horizon where the sun will rise although by the time the sun does rise Sirius is not visible.
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Old 24-08-2012, 02:48 PM   #36
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Where is the evidence that the three stars of the Belt were known as the 'Three Kings'?

Sirius is always aligned with the Belt not just at the winter solstice. At the solstice Sirius appears to point at the place on the horizon where the sun will rise although by the time the sun does rise Sirius is not visible.
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"There are alternative ways to visualise Orion. From the Southern Hemisphere, Orion is oriented south-upward, and the belt and sword are sometimes called the saucepan or pot in Australia and New Zealand. Orion's Belt is called Drie Konings (Three Kings) or the Drie Susters (Three Sisters) by Afrikaans speakers in South Africa[2] and are referred to as les Trois Rois (the Three Kings) in Daudet's Lettres de Mon Moulin (1866). The appellation Driekoningen (the Three Kings) is also often found in 17th- and 18th-century Dutch star charts and seaman's guides. The same three stars are known in Spain and Latin America as "Las Tres Marías".
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Old 24-08-2012, 04:58 PM   #37
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[INDENT]The first mention of the six-pointed star in Israelite literature was in Amos 5:26, when YAWEH angrily tells His people that " I hate and despise your feast days…. You shall take up Siccuth, your king and Chiun your images, the star of your God…."



From memory, St Stephen, the first Christian martyr after Jesus Christ, quoted that verse in Amos to the Pharisees before he was stoned to death as recorded in the Acts of the Apostles.

That alone should be enough for Christians to study what Stephen was referring to. The Christian-Zionists might see that the six-pointed star has more to do with the personage behind the sixth planet from the sun rather than King David. If anything, it is Solomon's seal that he used when he turned to the old gods of Palestine.

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When the Hebrews left Egypt, they were still Egyptians who took Akhenatens sun cult religion through the Sinai desert. Moses was an Egyptian and Judaism is a further development of Akhenatens Solar religion which was the first monotheistic religion...
There were no Hebrews in Egypt. There were Jews living in Egypt at a much later time period and they were not monotheistic. They were polytheistic. Elephantine had a polytheistic Jewish community as evidenced by the Elephantine letters dating to the 5th century BC.

The exodus is not a historical event, it is a mythological event with parallels to many similar mythological events including the foundation of Mexico City and a very similar 'exodus' from modern Sri Lanka to India including an event similar to the Red Sea parting involving what is called Adam's bridge. There were many divine law givers, most notoriously Hammurabi. Even some accounts of Genghis Khan's Mongol invasion parallel the exodus myth for some strange reason.

The caduceus and other details/parallels indicate more of a connection to Thoth/Hermes than Akhenaten although Akhenaten's idol/temple defacing is similar to Jewish and Islamic defacing due to monotheistic demands. The Akhenaten/Moses connection could be related but it could easily be made with the Druze community of Syria. In fact, the Jews of Judea didn't even care about Moses or exodus until much more recent history. It was the so-called Northern Kingdom where you find the Samaritans and also Druze (even today) who emphasized it the most. How the book of exodus came to be so important to modern Jewish identity is likely much more recent historically-speaking and likely due to religious leaders falsely promoting it in order to promote supremacy as a chosen people over all overs. Even modern Christians care about exodus, Moses, and the 10 commandments despite their Jesus replacing them with his own. This is also a recent development historically speaking as Christianity has embraced the dogmatic OT tacked onto their bibles along with the leftist/secular homogenizing it via Judafiction into Western "Judeo-Christianity" which a few centuries back would have been blasphemous because Judaism isn't based on the OT, it's based on the Talmud. It's based on Pharisee traditions their Jesus denounces. They are incompatible with each other theologically but you wouldn't know that from the modern interpretations

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If you look up the Babylonian god Shamash you will see that he is a sun god associated with the planet Saturn. Why the planet Saturn? Why was a sun god associated with a slow-moving pin-point of light?

Love him or hate him, Diodorus wrote that Chaldeans called the planet Cronus by the name Helios and it was the most conspicuous of all planets to them.

Now go look up the word Helios and you will hardly find any modern association with the planet Saturn. If you read more ancient sources, you will find in association with Saturn. The same thing with the word Sol. Sol, Helios, Shamash, etc. are used to describe sun worship associated with the planet Saturn in addition to worship of the Sun with the latter a later development. And during that later develop, Saturn is still called Helios and Sol by ancient sources within the context of a star. Using a past tense context they say that Saturn shined brightly lighting up Earth's sky and was luminous.

Saturn is not luminous, it's a bright 'star' in the sky but there are brighter stars including the other planets. It's definitely not conspicuous and if a planet was going to be worshipped by ancients and declared the kind of the planets, it would probably be Venus which is much brighter. It moves slowly in the sky and would take a lot of observing to notice the movement. If people really worshipped it, that would be sort of odd.

Later on when it is clear that Sol and Helios are associated with the Sun, they often use the terms Sol Invictus and Helios Hyperion. The old form of Sun worship is referred to as Sol Indiges and Helios.

So when historians claim that ancients worshipped the sun, modern historians are lumping these two different sun worshippers into the same category from a modern perspective. From an ancient perspective, there was something different and sun-like about Saturn. At least for a period of time within human history. Modern historians who ignore these things are not helping.

There are several theories out there trying to explain this. Velikovsky came up with a chaotic solar system configuration theory which says that our current configuration was not always that way. It was popular for a while but today is rejected.

There are many things to think about here that fly in the face of what scientists and historians claim. Dinosaurs being one of them. You might here that they don't know how dinosaurs with long necks (much bigger than Giraffes by the way) could breath or circulate blood or how pterodactyls could fly weighing as much as they do. This can be explained if Earth was a lot different at one point, gravity and atmospheric-wise. Much of what is used to dismiss alternative solar system configurations are reports of eclipses which may not even always be accurate. It's pretty much a sure thing the Earth was a lot different during the time of the dinosaurs, now what about human history?

There is also the Saturn as Earth's sun theory with Earth orbiting Saturn along with Mars, Venus, and maybe Neptune. The axial tilt of Mars, Venus, and Neptune is similar. Venus is not, something happened to Venus. Something bad. Probably also to Uranus. And something obviously happened to Saturn because of the rings. And there is also that massive Phoebe ring outside of the ones we can see. I don't completely buy the Saturn theory, but if Saturn was a brown dwarf that went nova, it would have probably destroyed some planets/moons which could account for the rings. And if Earth was close enough to see these rings they may have looked like a rainbow that is often associated with flood myths following a cataclysm. The further Earth moved from Saturn, Saturn would appear as an actual winged disc perhaps responsible for those winged discs all over the place.

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There were no Hebrews in Egypt

If you read the entire thread you will see that this is not my claim that there were Hebrews in Egypt, but a response to this particular claim, and of what I can read I do not think we look so different in many things on this topic...

But I believe that there is a very obvious connection between Akhenatens monotheism and what that became to Judaism...

I am of the opinion that it was a group of Egyptians who immigrated and in a process of creating their own identity they/It became to Judaism...
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