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Old 07-08-2010, 09:43 PM   #1
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Default Mexico legalize drugs as drug war murders hit 28k

Mexico looks to legalisation as drug war murders hit 28,000

Mexico’s president, Felipe Calderón, has joined calls for a debate on the legalisation of drugs as new figures show thousands of Mexicans every year being slaughtered in cartel wars.

“It is a fundamental debate,” the president said, belying his traditional reluctance to accept any questioning of the military-focused offensive against the country’s drug cartels that he launched in late 2006. “You have to analyse carefully the pros and cons and key arguments on both sides.” The president said he personally opposes the idea of legalisation.

Calderón’s new openness comes amid tremendous pressure to justify a strategy that has been accompanied by the spiralling of horrific violence around the country as the cartels fight each other and the government crack down. Official figures released this week put the number of drug war related murders at 28,000.

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Old 07-08-2010, 10:36 PM   #3
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Be interesting to see how it works out, either a disaster on a massive scale or a success. Could be a turning point.
Regardless i think it will still keep a strong drug trade, just probably cut out the low level street dealers, unless you want a cheaper modified version of the drug in question.
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Old 07-08-2010, 11:46 PM   #4
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A few problems with this.

1. Calderon only said he's open to DIALOGUE. That usually means nothing at all.

2. Any drug policy in Mexico has to be approved by the US State Department and the Pentagon. GO ask the Generals why.

The loosing side if drugs are decriminalized is the USA. They're making dollars there, not pesos on their weed sales.
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They have two options, legalised drugs and save thousands of lives but risk upsetting the USA. Or else keep them illegal and risk the whole country becoming like Helmand Province on a bad day. I think the first priority has to be lives.
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Legalise the lot and let them get on with it.

People have been getting high since the beginning of time, it's a waste of money trying to stop it.

Educate poeple by all means, but tell them the truth and let them make their own minds up about it.
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It's a good idea but surely he is risking his life by suggesting it. If it wasn't for prohibition, the cartels wouldn't exist. The cartels won't let this go without a fight.
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cartel will move on and do other crimes.

if they legalize(imo, overdue), usa will have2follow suit.

after that, world might do the same.

govts will put brutal taxes on it, but hey, np.

open dialogue?
who in mexican govt opposes this?theres nothing to discuss.

ofc, calderon must ask obama&co first.
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Drugs are EVERYWHERE! you can't stop it!
Every billboard, every magazine , every corner store, every TV screen.
The message is BUY cigarettes and alcohol!
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What You Need To Know About
What Happened To Mexico
By Dick Eastman
8-6-10



Before you read the second article below , every American -- Anglo, Latino, Black and Asian needs to know what is really behind the monster that has taken slavemaster's control in Mexico and is bringing dire misery to both Mexican and US citizens. Let this information drive home the point that it is not Mexican peasants coming here to work that is our problem as the Tea Party organizers, Beck, Palin and other phony and/or totally uninformed patriots will tell you. This is what we all have to know to really solve the deadly situation we are facing.

Let us start with the richest man in Mexico (and, according to Forbes at one point, the richest in the world)



Carlos Helu


In the 1990's while Jewish Mafia "Russian" Oligarchs with the help of Harvard economists were cherry picking all of Russia's privatized wealth from an internally sabotaged socialist goverment that owned all of the means of production, the man who is today counted the world's richest, Carlos Helu, was doing the same thing in Mexico, forced into privitization/liquidation by the contrived peso/debt crisis and under pressure from the World Bank and International Monetary Fund to liberalize its country's economy. A massive giveaway of privatization began, with the government selling off the hundreds of companies that were state-owned assets.

Favored insider Carlos Helu was the appointed cherrypicker. Of course the biggest cherry of all was Telefonos de Mexico (Telmex), the Mexican national telephone company and Carlos got it.

Helu is not simply a speculator. Helu runs his aquisitions according to policy set by City of London globalists -- a crime syndicate for those who don't like to mince words. As soon as Helu was firmly in control of Mexico -- the Mexican drug cartels were replaced with bigger, badder and better armed competitors who always managed to be at the bottom of any list of drug-fighting attention by Mexican authorities.

........
Carlos Salinas............. Raúl Salinas


I should add a few comments about the peso crisis of 1994 -- a time when I was teaching a college course in money and banking and following these events in the Wall Street Journal, New York Times and Investors Business Daily. The crisis was the result of Mexican President Carlos Salinas giving the Mexican economy a gigantic government debt-financed economic stimulus and a catastrophic mal-investment spending spree, and then leaving office for his successor to face the problem when it all came crashing down. (Note: Before becomine president of Mexico, Salinas had been behind a behind the scenes insider in the Budget Secretariat. Two days before he was elected the when the new electronic voting system crashed on the day of the election. When the system was restored, low and behold, Salinas was the winner.) With the stimulus credit was extended with little heed of how borrowers could continue to meet debt payments once the one-time stimulus eventually leaked through the cracks and there was no way of getting more. Salinas killed the good times with an overdose -- and he killed any of Mexico'sremaining freedom from Rothschild domination at the same time. Also, Salina's brother, Raúl, was convicted for murder, but also of laundering into accounts at, Citibank Zurich, Julius Baer Bank, and Banque privée Edmond de Rothschild (where Soros got his start in hedge funds) in Geneva and Zurich, and The bank accounts were held at Pictet & Cie. The Swiss government and court have determined that the bulk of Raul's over $100 million in Swiss accounts, held in ficitious names, is protection money paid by the drug cartels. Citibank helped Raul Salinas move tens of millions of dollars out of Mexico into foreign accounts.




wiki: "Raúl was close to his younger brother Carlos, and the two did much together. They shared many experiences, including the execution-style killing of a twelve-year-old household maid with a .22 caliber rifle on December 17, 1951, when they were five and three years old, respectively. The killing was ruled an accident."

Although I cannot find any clippings or notes about it now -- I remember at the time reading in the one of the newspapers mentioned above that Salina's brother was a member of a strategic institution on Wall Street -- one connected to the Rockefeller banks -- where it was clear to me that he was a go-between serving his brother and the Rockefeller/Rothschild interests. I wish to heck I could remember that detail.

And here is one more item. Anti-corruption politician José Francisco Ruiz Massieu in Salinas's own party was about to assume position of Congress majority leader during Salinas's term as president. Ruiz was shot by a semi-literate farm worker who when confessed information that led to the arrest of several co-conspirators.

Salinas appointed the dead man's brother, Mario Ruiz Massieu, to head (figurehead) the investigation. From wiki: "His investigation uncovered a massive conspiracy, by all appearances originating from the country's ruling political party. But when a key source in the investigation mysteriously disappeared, Mario Ruiz Massieu publicly accused the PRI of blocking his investigation on November 15, 1994. Following the statement, confidence in the party and in the government as a whole plummeted, both nationally and internationally, and $1.5 billion of foreign investment left the country on the following day. Mario Ruiz Massieu resigned officially on November 23, 1994.

I hope you get the picture.

Now you are ready to read the next item:

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'Too Big to Jail' - How Big Banks
Are Turning Mexico Into Colombia

As if the megabanks hadn't done enough, fresh evidence shows their hand in making Mexico a narco-state.

By Justice Litle


The Dogs of War
are men of hate...
With no cause,
We don't discriminate...
- Pink Floyd, "Dogs of War"


Ah, Megabanks, how we love thee. Let us count the ways... Like clockwork, you create a new crisis every five to seven years or so with your greedy, pig-headed lending. You routinely cover your tracks with torrents of lobbying cash poured into Washington. In the subprime mortgage crisis and the financial meltdown that followed, you nearly succeeded in blowing up the global economy. And then, in the aftermath, you arranged one of the greatest swindles ever, getting the system to make you whole again (via taxpayer blood and treasure) even as a majority of Americans suffered.

The above is plenty of reason to be disgusted, one could fairly conclude. But as that legendary pitchman Ron Popeil likes to say: "But wait - there's more!"

Now we learn that, joy of joys, plundering and pillaging the rotten financial system was not enough for these men. They also saw fit to directly fuel the Mexican cocaine trade... knowingly aid in the laundering of billions, even tens of billions, in bloody drug money... and do their part in helping turn Mexico into Colombia, a struggling developing world country slowly descending into the hell of a narco-state.

Black Suitcases and a DC-9

A recent issue of Bloomberg Markets magazine ran a deeply unsettling story titled "Wachovia's Drug Habit."
The story opens with the seizure of a DC-9 jet loaded up with "128 black suitcases, packed with 5.7 tons of cocaine," good enough for a street value of $100 million.

"Law enforcement officials also discovered something else," Bloomberg Markets magazine reports. "The smugglers had bought the DC-9 with laundered funds transferred through two of the biggest banks in the U.S.: Wachovia Corp and Bank of America Corp"...

"This was no isolated incident," the story adds. "Wachovia, it turned out, had made a habit of helping move money for Mexican drug smugglers. Wells Fargo & Co., which bought Wachovia in 2008, has admitted in court that its unit failed to monitor and report suspected money laundering by narcotics traffickers - included the cash used to buy four planes that shipped a total of 22 tons of cocaine."

Blind Eye, Greedy Eye

Narcotics is big business in the United States. According to the U.S. Justice Department,, Bloomberg reports, "the cartels have built a network of dealers in 231 U.S. cities from coast to coast, taking in about $39 billion in sales annually."

Thirty-nine billion is some serious dough. You don't move that kind of cash without the help of your friendly megabanker.

"It's the banks laundering the money for the cartels that finances the tragedy," says Martin Woods. "If you don't see the correlation between the money laundering by banks and the 22,000 people killed in Mexico, you're missing the point."

And just who is Martin Woods, you ask? He is the former head of Wachovia's anti-money-laundering unit in London. Woods is no longer in that role, having quit his job in "disgust" as higher-up executives ignored his documentation of the drug-money funneling process.

The profits from quietly washing that $39 billion clean were too big to pass up... and so the banks turned a blind eye instead.

The list of banks with questionable connections to the multibillion-dollar drug trade sounds like a "who's who" of financial might: Wachovia (now Wells Fargo). Bank of America. American Express Bank International. HSBC Holdings. Citigroup. Banco Santander. Western Union. There are probably more...

Too Big to Jail

"No big bank - Wells Fargo included - has ever been indicted for violating the Bank Secrecy Act or any other federal law," says Bloomberg. "Instead, the U.S. Justice Department settles criminal charges by using deferred-prosecution agreements, in which a bank pays a fine and promises not to break the law again."
In plain English, "Too Big to Fail" has become "Too Big to Jail." The megabanks are seen as too important to the health and functioning of the U.S. financial system to risk hitting them with criminal charges.
Perversely, the current setup actually reinforces criminal activity. When breaking the law results in a small financial fine, it doesn't take long before the fine is seen as a simple "cost of doing business." The megabanks, protected as they are from on high, are thus encouraged to do whatever they please and take their slap on the wrist later.


A Descent Into Hell

Roughly a month ago, Rodolfo Torre was ambushed and gunned down on a rural Mexican highway. Torre was the clear front-runner in a bid to become governor of Tamaulipas, a Mexican state bordering Texas. Along with Torre, his chief of staff, campaign chief and bodyguard were also killed.
This happened just across the border. Just imagine if a U.S. political candidate running on a strong anti-trafficking platform were hunted down.

In fact, we may not have to imagine at all, because a similar threat has arisen in Arizona... Joe Arpaio, the Sherriff of Maricopa County, Ariz., now has a $1 million bounty on his head. It was placed there by a Mexican drug cartel, Fox Phoenix reports. Do you think the cartel really has the money? I do. I wonder how they got it...

The number of people killed in the never-ending drug war continues to escalate. By some estimates 22,000 has become 25,000. Less than a week ago, four journalists were kidnapped. Attempts by the local police force to stand up to gang threats result in people's heads in baskets. Mexican pop singers who compose song ballads to drug barons, known as narcocorridos, are gunned down in cold blood when a rival baron gets offended. The Mexican Army, supposedly fighting the gangs, has gotten so out of control as to become a source of local terror themselves.

Mexico is on the way to becoming a failed state, or rather, a narco-state. The war on drugs has been completely and irrevocably lost. We are at the point where further efforts to "crack down" only serve to increase the profits of the cartels by raising the street value of various illegal substances. And the money poured into drug-fighting enforcement measures by both the U.S. and Mexican governments only serves to increase the size and frequency of violent, bloody shootouts.

Meanwhile, the dogs of war - i.e. the 'Too Big to Jail' banks - casually sit back and help fund it all.

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Leon Trotsky (born Lev Davidovich Bronstein -- Zionist and Communist -- leading butcher of the Bolshevik Revolution who later, after breaking with Stalin, planned the gradual subversion, degradation and overthrow of American bourgeois society from his stronghold in Mexico until a day in 1940 when Ramon Mercader put an ice pick through his skull. )

Trotsky said of Russia:

" - We should turn Her (Russia) into a desert populated with white Niggers We will impose upon them such a tyranny that was never dreamt by the most hideous despots of the East. The peculiar trait of that tyranny is that it will be enacted from the left rather than the right and it will be red rather than white in color."
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Old 08-08-2010, 09:41 AM   #11
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Illegal = monopoly. (at least, thats the intention, not working too well in Sth America)

that applies to everything, not just drugs. (only WE are allowed to do x/y/z)

Also makes the price better for those that are permitted to do it without persecution.

Money isnt spend by those in power to stop drugs, it is spent to eliminate competition.

IMO, even Cali dope laws are tied in to Mexico and wider Sth America, a sign to me they have admitted/realised they failed and will always fail at controlling Sth American weed that comes in by the truckload, so they decided to allow growing in USA and at least reap some taxes...while possibly pushing price and demand down more for those south of the border.

Cocaine, thats another story. Theres too much at stake for them to want it to be communised, and it cant just be produced from go to whoa anywhere like weed can. (wherever you have a ceiling and can hang a light)

Same goes for Heroin, but thats another thread and another war. (the one where they looking for Osama because he flew planes into New York)
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Old 08-08-2010, 09:56 AM   #12
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People have been getting high since the beginning of time, it's a waste of money trying to stop it.

Educate poeple by all means, but tell them the truth and let them make their own minds up about it.

Ain't that the truth!!

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What You Need To Know About
What Happened To Mexico
By Dick Eastman
8-6-10



Too Big to Jail

"No big bank - Wells Fargo included - has ever been indicted for violating the Bank Secrecy Act or any other federal law," says Bloomberg. "Instead, the U.S. Justice Department settles criminal charges by using deferred-prosecution agreements, in which a bank pays a fine and promises not to break the law again."
How can anyone think the system is fair?

This and the abuses the corporations get away with, oh and the church, and government, and aristocracy, oh and the military, and police force... actually I'll just stop there.

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