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Old 03-08-2010, 02:38 PM   #4941
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Some posters have said I have not an open mind... and am listening
to the mainstream. That is simply not true and you dont know me at
all...

hey I would like to think I am aware. I have stopped watching the
mainstream news, using aspartame products and using non flouride toothpaste.

After looking at the evidence I am convinced that the UFO phemonemon,
9-11 inside job and JFK conspiracy are all real and there is no question in
my mind. But the PID conspiracy is not one that I can accept. His family
and fellow Beatles Loved Paul and would not have let this happen - at
least I can never never ever believe that. I dont care who they were dealing
with I am sure Lennon and Co would have not accepted it.

I have honestly looked at a lot of evidence here but am still not convinced.

I take back what I saud presuming David Icke doesnt believe this. Your right
how do I know? Maybe he does! I guess I said that becuase I have never
heard him mention it. Im just saying if he thought there was something to
it he would have looked into it and mentioned it by now. Like if it is true
isnt it not a huge story that he would be pushing to get out?
Sorry, but your post infuriates me.

People who say "after seeing all the evidence, I'm not convinced" fit into the following catagories:

1) They've looked at 20 pages, a few comps and some lightweight arguments by either side.
2) They can't accept it -- so can't believe it
3) They refuse to believe that an imposter can dupe them and therefore are against the theory from the get go... because this would prove that your senses infact have decieved you and you've been liking a fraud all along. Don't worry, we've all been there.

Here is a shortlist of compiled evidence points I've made, check them off and get back to us.


1) The catalogue of compositions showing Paul/Faul from both sides, ranging in the 100's now

2) IAMAPHONEY VIDEOS: 3) The Paul is Dead clues on all albums post 1966 4) The SGT PEPPER clue
5) Pre 66/Post 66 Interview Comparisons
6) 7) Deaths surrounding the Beatles
8) The refusal to tour post-66
9) The sudden change in appearence for all Beatles on Pepper and beyond
10) Heather Mills box of evidence:
11) Being asked AGAIN for the hundredth time on Letterman...
12) WIRED Magazine suggests they are not the same person:
http://plasticmacca.blogspot.com/201...-paul-was.html
13) Two topics entering 400 pages each worth of discussion despite it being a hoax Yeah, that's why on every page there's discussions about nothing by a selective group of individuals hell bent on keeping the information down with their trite and tired respones.
14) The Charles Manson/Helter Skelter connection (mind control)
15) The Beatles used by Tavistock as means of mass manipulation.
16) Beatles explanations regarding Paul being dead never add up.
17) The fact that this is the true Paul McCartney looks NOTHING like the phony replica:




I'm sorry -- after even a short list of points, if people are still suggesting these guys are the same I cannot help you.

It's all right there in your face. Get over your Beatlemania and start objectively looking at this because this replacement conspiracy is a huge part of the bigger picture.

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Old 03-08-2010, 03:47 PM   #4942
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Cool Apul. Double you.

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Old 03-08-2010, 04:01 PM   #4943
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Well, that's what is needed. Testimonies from the people that knew him. Are there any I can see?
Interesting thread. But I'm reluctant to believe they would go through so much effort for a band.

I wonder what Ringo thinks of all of this.

Which Ringo?
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Old 03-08-2010, 04:08 PM   #4944
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People who are close to someone have a sixth sense when something is not right with a person they have known for a long time.

Every little nuance is taken into account. The way a person act's or the gestures they give off. If Paul Mac was replaced then Paul Macca's friends and family would have been talked about it to someone and over the years. There would have been more weight given to a PID theory.

You can fool some of the people sometimes. You cant fool all of the people all of the time.

It's one of the biggest open secrets in the music industry - everyone and their dog knows about it. Can anyone come out and speak directly? Not if they value their safety and that of their family.

Sixth sense... do you have one?

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Old 03-08-2010, 04:12 PM   #4945
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ar20 the list you put up is just not evidence. I want to know HOW it
happened EXACTLY. What was said to John, George, Ringo, George Martin,
Geoff Emerick, Kluas Voorman, Jane Asher, Pauls Dad, Mike McGear,
Cliaa Black and all his other family and friends??

Plus ive read over 100 books on the Beatles and their life. How many have
you read exactly? I can form a judgement on their character by reading
numerous witness testimonies of people who KNEW them and were there
with them!

Saying that the reasons the Beatles stopped touring because Paul was
replaced is simply not true. If you know anything about the Beatles career you
would know that it was because they had to repeat the same 20 minutes
of hits without being heard over the screams. They were not improving as musicians
cause they couldnt hear themselves so decided to concentrate on studio work.
Hundreds of people who were there and knew them report this. It not just some mainstream
bullshit.
Add to that the mistreament they faced both in the states (popular that jesus debacle)
and the phillipines (president snub debacle)......

PLOT maybe something like this:

Plotters: They called everyone into a room (maybe phoning them all up lol) to
say Paul has died in a car crash and we are going to replace him (for
whatever reasons). 'Please meet us in such a place at such a time , we have
something important to tell you. The meeting is compulsory. If you don't
attend you will face dire consequences'

Lennon / Harrison / Starr / Friends / Family: 'Paul has died in a car crash , we
are all so upset'. Why have you brought us all in this room?

Plotters: 'Just bury him on the QT and say nothing. This is not going to
get out to the press. Do your grieving privately'

Lennon / Harrison / Starr / Friends / Family: 'What are you insane'? We can't
do that ? We loved Paul.

Plotters: 'You have to keep quiet cause if you don't we will
kill you. However you remaining Beatles are allowed to put clues out
about it in your next few records. Now, this is a guy who has just won
Paul McCartney lookalike competition, he knows how to play Bass guitar,
sounds like Paul, talks like Paul and writes the odd song. He is the new
Paul McCartney. The sheeple public is never to find out about this.'
You may put out the clues, cause aware people on the David Icke forum will
spot them, and yes they will know the real truth. But the public sheeple will
never accept it cause of our mass brainwashing programs , and they will just
associate everyone on the DI forum anyway as freaks that also believe in reptiles.
By the way, we are not human but repitiles from the fourth dimension. So you know
who you are dealing with. We have always been here. Tell anyone and we will kill you
and sacrafice you kids to to the goat of mendes. Maybe at Bohemian Grove !
We have already doctored some photos to start making the public sheeple accept
the new Paul. Don't worry about them. They are thick and stupid and will not be able
to tell the difference'

Lennon / Harrison / Starr / Friends / Family: 'This is insane' 'But why are you doing this' ??

Plotter: ' You will know the reason in time. We have been around for centuries. Our
symbol is the torch or the flame'.

New Paul / or Faulk haha: 'Hi Guys, Pleased to meet you! I work for the illuminati
and I am going to make a lot of dosh off this. Still I always wanted to play with
the Beatles. I have written a few classics for us to record such as Penny Lane, Hey
Jude, Blackbird, Let It Be, The Long and Winding Road'........

Lennon / Harrison / Starr / Friends / Family: Hi Faul, looking forward to working
with you mate.

New Paul/Faul: 'Thanks lads, i'm actually a bit sore after all this plastic surgery'

Lennon / Harrison / Starr / Friends / Family: 'We are still not happy about this ,
we don't understand'

Plotters: 'We are going to dumb down mankind and its part of a mind control operation
on the general public. We are called the illuminati and we are the guiding
hands behind the scenes behind world events. Old Paulie was not playing
the game so we killed him off'.

Lennon / Harrison / Starr : 'Oh ok, je we're not happy about this, ya know
he was our mate like'

Saying that this happened is like
so much disrespectful to everyone around Paul at the time!! For example
if the same think happened to me (say my sister was being replaced) im
afraid they would have to kill me. I reckon ditto for Pauls family and friends..

ONE WORD = ABSURD

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Old 03-08-2010, 04:13 PM   #4946
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Thumbs up Finally a sincere PIAer... whew !

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Some posters have said I have not an open mind... and am listening
to the mainstream. That is simply not true and you dont know me at
all...

hey I would like to think I am aware. I have stopped watching the
mainstream news, using aspartame products and using non flouride toothpaste.

After looking at the evidence I am convinced that the UFO phemonemon,
9-11 inside job and JFK conspiracy are all real and there is no question in
my mind. But the PID conspiracy is not one that I can accept. His family
and fellow Beatles Loved Paul and would not have let this happen - at
least I can never never ever believe that. I dont care who they were dealing
with I am sure Lennon and Co would have not accepted it.

I have honestly looked at a lot of evidence here but am still not convinced.

I take back what I saud presuming David Icke doesnt believe this. Your right
how do I know? Maybe he does! I guess I said that becuase I have never
heard him mention it. Im just saying if he thought there was something to
it he would have looked into it and mentioned it by now. Like if it is true
isnt it not a huge story that he would be pushing to get out?
Hi Trev1,

Sorry I got in a stir, there has been an awful lot of willful debunking of PID here by people I think know a lot more about this than they are saying. But I find your choice as formulated in the above quoted statement to be most respectable and of course entirely your choice of what you do or don't believe.

I spent some time during that period around the European rock scene and was made aware by first hand facts that it was very connected to the Italian mafia and later found out that it was also interfered with severely by the CIA/NSA/MI5 agencies and Tavistock. I was toyed with by various of their "tweakers" growing up and was subject of the personal interest of R.D. Laing. Having been raised in a MK-Ultra accomplice family I know first hand that this is very real, my mother who was involved even went on to teach about CIA Mind Control in college prior to meeting a horrendous end.

So I have my own reasons for believing that PID, which clearly aren't the same as those others have for believing what they choose. We have noted in earlier pages of this thread that some of the immediate family and entourage may have also been replaced, notedly Paul's brother who underwent a simultaneous dramatic shift in appearance as his father who was not the same height. Sure, this makes it even harder to believe, unless you have lived in a monarchy where the SOVEREIGN is all powerful, not only by virtue of their eminent social standing but mostly because of the BLIND OBEDIENCE of their subjects who will pretty much do ANYTHING without question to serve and obey.

FWIW

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But the PID conspiracy is not one that I can accept. His family
and fellow Beatles Loved Paul and would not have let this happen - at
least I can never never ever believe that. I dont care who they were dealing
with I am sure Lennon and Co would have not accepted it.

I have honestly looked at a lot of evidence here but am still not convinced.
Try this description of events: http://only1rad.proboards.com/index....ay&thread=1073
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Well, that's what is needed. Testimonies from the people that knew him. Are there any I can see?
Well, you might be interested to know that Mal Evans - long time friend & road manager - was shot to death by police one week before he was going to publish his tell-all book about the Beatles. The book, his suitcase full of Beatles memorabilia, & his remains all "got lost" during & after the investigation.

Dying the Bea†les Legend: Mal Evans' suspicious death

So, I don't think it's that easy for people to just come out & say what happened.

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If someone I knew well, even a family member, were replaced with a look-alike/
sound-alike impostor, I doubt I would jump up and point a finger and say, "You
are an impostor!"

I would simply think the person changed in some ways and that would be the
end of it.

I've even had more than one intimate relationship where the person had a more
or less abrupt change in personality but I didn't conclude that she had been
replaced by someone else. I concluded that she simply changed her mind or
attitudes in some way. This is actually pretty common. You hear people say,
"She's not the woman/man I married" or something similar. They don't mean
it literally and they don't really suspect that the person was physically
replaced.

I don't think that a person's family or friends are any huge barrier to replacing
someone as long as the impostor looks and sounds enough like the original.

Haven't you ever known anyone who had a change in personality or
behavior? Did you think they'd been physically replaced by someone
else? Or, did you think they simply had a change in personality or
behavior?
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By the way before any of ye PID theorists come back and give
me abuse, please be aware that I was trying to add some humour to
this thread with me last post.

To be honest I felt a little bit picked on cause i have a different point
of view, and all lot of the responses to my posts we are bit condescending
to me i felt.

Please be nice, like the poster HeyMajesty who is always good in response
and did provide me with some interesting evidence.,...

Im 99% sure that he wasnt replaced. Their is a 1% niggle which is why im still
posting here. That last post was trying to figure it all out in my own head. You
see to me the whole conspiracy does not add up.

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Old 03-08-2010, 05:22 PM   #4951
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If someone I knew well, even a family member, were replaced with a look-alike/
sound-alike impostor, I doubt I would jump up and point a finger and say, "You
are an impostor!"

I would simply think the person changed in some ways and that would be the
end of it.

I've even had more than one intimate relationship where the person had a more
or less abrupt change in personality but I didn't conclude that she had been
replaced by someone else. I concluded that she simply changed her mind or
attitudes in some way. This is actually pretty common. You hear people say,
"She's not the woman/man I married" or something similar. They don't mean
it literally and they don't really suspect that the person was physically
replaced.

I don't think that a person's family or friends are any huge barrier to replacing
someone as long as the impostor looks and sounds enough like the original.

Haven't you ever known anyone who had a change in personality or
behavior? Did you think they'd been physically replaced by someone
else? Or, did you think they simply had a change in personality or
behavior?
usually such changes come along gradually that become clear in 20/20 hindsight or are triggered by a significant event or trauma.
The idea of a significant event or trauma to Paul is bantered by those that look for more logical explanations for his changes. Bells Palsey, head injuries and even LSD or other drug use can account for some of the changes in Paul, as well as just plain maturing, growing older and growing up.

and yes, when my loved ones change and I don't like it, I do point fingers and call them on it. Some of us aren't silent. ask anyone who really knows me.
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Some people think Paul wasn't replaced b/c it "wasn't possible" or b/c the family/friends wouldn't go along w/ it, etc. However, we have proof he WAS replaced. Try making your theory fit the facts rather than making the facts conform to a pre-conceived notion about what is or isn't possible.

What exactly isn't possible, anyway? That people are murdered? That they're replaced? That an impostor would lie about being the original? That family & friends would be bribed, threatened, murdered to keep the secret? That the media would lie to the masses? All of those are possible. Therefore, saying that it "isn't possible" to replace someone is based on a lack of information.
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Sorry, but your post infuriates me.

People who say "after seeing all the evidence, I'm not convinced" fit into the following catagories:

1) They've looked at 20 pages, a few comps and some lightweight arguments by either side.
2) They can't accept it -- so can't believe it
3) They refuse to believe that an imposter can dupe them and therefore are against the theory from the get go... because this would prove that your senses infact have decieved you and you've been liking a fraud all along. Don't worry, we've all been there.

Your post infuriate me. You forgot other PIAer characteristics:
4) looked at pages and pages of comps and skeptical arguments weighed heavily with reason and logic. I expect more then comparisons of blurry pictures badly taken. Considering I have some good ones of Paul I took myself with my own camera and so does my relatives of Beatle Paul back in the 60s.
5) open to the reptillians, but know that Paul's animal rights and vegetarian stance doesn't mesh with their agenda at all
6) have had PIDers make pages with their picture making horrible slanderous cruel comments about them until they got it removed PIDers have done worse to me personally also.
7) look to logical reasons why Paul changed such as mental illness, Bell's Palsey, head injuries and drug use
8) understanding how the human body changes as it ages and what constitutes a hazel eye
9) understanding how the teenybopper media works and why they put mustaches on old Beatles pics to create new ones
10) understands that Paul and the Beatles wore makeup in staged photoshoots that accont for some differences versus the candid shots
11) finds it ironic that PIDers claim Paul is dead but John is alive.

I can go on. You can't pigeonhole us like you want to. It's all part of your lack of credibility.
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It's one of the biggest open secrets in the music industry - everyone and their dog knows about it. Can anyone come out and speak directly? Not if they value their safety and that of their family.

Sixth sense... do you have one?
I do. I've even been tested. It tells me that Paul is alive and hermajesty is a banished dolphin because she was bad.

if people in the music industry can't come out and speak directly about it, how come you're allowed to?
Logical question. I expect a good answer.
no answer mean's I am correct in my assumption.
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Apul, the W = double you is a great catch.
Thank you so much for your appreсiation, HM. It's a pity you are the only one who have noticed it.
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Some people think Paul wasn't replaced b/c it "wasn't possible" or b/c the family/friends wouldn't go along w/ it, etc. However, we have proof he WAS replaced. Try making your theory fit the facts rather than making the facts conform to a pre-conceived notion about what is or isn't possible.

What exactly isn't possible, anyway? That people are murdered? That they're replaced? That an impostor would lie about being the original? That family & friends would be bribed, threatened, murdered to keep the secret? That the media would lie to the masses? All of those are possible. Therefore, saying that it "isn't possible" to replace someone is based on a lack of information.

I'm not saying it isn't possible to replace someone. I'm just saying your facts are wrong, (You have been known to get your Beatles history wrong, a typical PID trait demonstrated in the lasted movie The Last Testement of George Harrison), you have no evidence of Paul's murder, only psychic channeling, and a bunch of word plays mixed in when trying to communicate your conspiracty theories.
Oh, and I forgot the really bad blurry pics while refusing to even acknowledge the hundreds of good comps others have done disproving your claims.

I'm open to the theories. You're just not presenting me with anything valid. (your personal attacks against me notwithstanding)
For instance, none of the reptillians, according to their own lore would advocate the public to become healthy vegetarian eaters who grow their own organic food supply like Paul does and advocate animal rights.
His lifestyle just doesn't jive with your theories at all.
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you have no evidence of Paul's murder, only psychic channeling
I think you would say "thank you" that there's at least a psychic channeling rather than nothing. Well, you would... if you were normal.

It's like to say "you have no evidence of UFO's existance, only channeling and some (enormous) pictures on the wheat fields.

- "All those signs on the fields with a sacred meaning, lights in the sky... That's a hoax, right?"

Zeta: "Yeah, we don't eally exist"


It reminds me Gagarin's flight, when he returned from space, he admitted that God doesn't exist.

Not wondering who the fuck have created this whole world, how, and why. There simply must be a REASON in EVERYTHING.

See what I mean?

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A friend of mine reading this thread came up with some counters to some things Ar20 said. Here they are:

Ar20 wrote:


1) The catalogue of compositions showing Paul/Faul from both sides, ranging in the 100's now
2) IAMAPHONEY VIDEOS
3) The Paul is Dead clues on all albums post 1966
4) The SGT PEPPER clue
5) Pre 66/Post 66 Interview Comparisons
6) 7) Deaths surrounding the Beatles
8) The refusal to tour post-66
9) The sudden change in appearence for all Beatles on Pepper and beyond
10) Heather Mills box of evidence:
11) Being asked AGAIN for the hundredth time on Letterman...
12) WIRED Magazine suggests they are not the same person:
http://plasticmacca.blogspot.com/201...-paul-was.html
13) Two topics entering 400 pages each worth of discussion despite it being a hoax Yeah, that's why on every page there's discussions about nothing by a selective group of individuals hell bent on keeping the information down with their trite and tired respones.
14) The Charles Manson/Helter Skelter connection (mind control)
15) The Beatles used by Tavistock as means of mass manipulation.
16) Beatles explanations regarding Paul being dead never add up.
17) The fact that this is the true Paul McCartney looks NOTHING like the phony replica

and my friend counters with:


1) The catalogue of compositions showing the same guy from both sides, ranging in the 100's now
2) Iamaphoney is editing and manipulating his sources to PRODUCE PID "evidence". He's a faker
3) What clues? The 28if thing? The barefoot=dead thing?
4) What Sgt. Pepper "clue"?
5) His voice is ever the same
6)(7) There are death surrounding everbody. Even the Beatles.
8) they stopped touring because of Beatlemania, 3 years non-stop touring and artistic development as a studio-band. it's well documented.
9) "We were fed up with being Beatles. We really hated that fudgeing four little mop-top boys approach. We were not boys; we were men. It was all gone, all that boy poo, all that screaming; we didn't want any more. Plus, we'd now got turned on to pot and thought of ourselves as artists rather than just performers..."
10) Heather Mills was fighting the media and paparazzi. Her video was taken out of context by Iamaphoney.
11) PID is an urban myth and part of popular subculture. As that it will always be a subject
12) Wired magazine is a entertainment magazine. the italian version being even worse the the original. Also they used streched material and sunkings comps for a forensic comparison. very professional!
13) Two topics entering 400 pages each show that it's nothing but a hoax. the arguments are just repeated over and over again, the facts against the PID theory are ignored over and over again.
14) there is no Charles Manson/Helter Skelter connection, exept that this psycho was listening to the beatles just as billions of others. Society/media always blames the bad influence of rock bands, instead of blaming society (f.e.: marilyn manson, eminem, heavy metal in general)
15) Saying that "The Beatles used by Tavistock as means of mass manipulation." is nothing but invented conspiracy-fiction with no proof whatsoever.
16) The Beatles explanations regarding Paul being dead always add up. They all say it's bullocks.
17) The fact that Paul McCartney never changed, other then normal aging or change of style.
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I would really like to know why the PIA Team thinks it's "impossible" for Paul to have been replaced. Please list your reasons so that we can refute them.

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I think you would say "thank you" that there's at least a psychic channeling rather than nothing. Well, you would... if you were normal.

It's like to say "you have no evidence of UFO's existance, only channeling and some (enormous) pictures on the wheat fields.

- "All those signs on the fields with a sacred meaning, lights in the sky... That's a hoax, right?"

Zeta: "Yeah, we don't eally exist"


It reminds me Gagarin's flight, when he returned from space, he admitted that God doesn't exist.

Not wondering who the fuck have created this whole world, how, and why. There simply must be a REASON in EVERYTHING.

See what I mean?

Strange...

I can't follow your response. Except for a comment on channellig, it just rants off topic. that has been a typical PID trait. now stop it and get some real arguments, please

and I grew up with alien abductees in my family, so the lore and belief was ingrained in me from birth.
I just don't see any credible evidence of PID just this type of strange ranting which doesn't count.
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