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Old 09-12-2009, 03:46 PM   #61
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note the comment at the bottom, more people are speaking out

http://www.yellowad.co.uk/tn/news.cf...99s%20services

Government slates children’s services
Thursday, 10 December 2009

By Stephen Neale
ESSEX’S failing children’s service has been criticised by Government – just six months after being ordered to improve.

Children’s Minister Dawn Primarolo has written to Essex County Council warning that ‘further necessary interventions’ are needed.

She described the council’s ‘slow progress’ in making improvements in children’s social care.

An improvement notice was issued by the Government in March over its concerns.

Ms Primarolo acknowledged some progress had been made following the appointment of a new director for children’s services.

But on Friday she said: “Nonetheless, I have written to the council today to inform them that I am minded to use powers to establish a robust framework that reinforces existing work, to provide assurance that the necessary and urgent improvements needed are secured quickly.”

The intervention means that the Secretary of State has powers to establish an Improvement Board and appoint an independent Chair; enforce a revised improvement plan; and receive bi-monthly reports from the board’s chair.

The council has until today (Thursday) to make representations on the proposals set out above.

Councillor Peter Martin, deputy leader of Essex County Council, said the authority was committed to working with Government to improve the service.

He explained: “I am confident that we are turning the corner.

“We know there is still work to be done to secure the right provision for children but we are confident that we can make the changes needed to deliver high quality front line practice and an organisation that is fit for purpose.”

The authority has introduced a programme of support and modernisation to help staff working with children and young people in greatest need of help.

Officers have introduced new technology to reduce bureaucracy. An overseas recruitment campaign has filled 43 vacant social work posts.

- Yellow Advertiser has launched an investigation into the quality of children’s care at Essex Social Services.

If you have first-hand knowledge of failings or concerns, call the investigation team in total confidence on 01268 535769.
Email: [email protected]
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Essex social services are kidnappers, they threaten to remove a baby BEFORE it is born and threaten adoption without any valid reason, all to meet targets and get big bonuses
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FOI/09/1149 – FOI/09/1159


Nicholas Sherlock

Start date 2 February 1998 - 12 November 2000
Team Leader SSD – Sevenoaks C&F team (Children & Families)
13 November 2000 - 28 April 2002

Project Officer - Duty/Screening Project Social Services
29 April 2002 - 30 June 2005

Performance Improvement Manager HQ - Performance Policy Planning
01 July 2005 - 31 March 2006

Public Involvement & Performance Manager HQ - Performance Policy
Planning
01 April 2006 - 5 April 2009

Public Involvement & Performance Manager Performance Improvement
06 April 2009 - 30 September 2009

Head of Planning & Public Involvement Restructuring Transition
01 October 2009 - to date
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Brian Gerrish 'child stealing by the state'


for those who want or need to know what’s really going
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And when you have corporate parents like this lot

http://www.no2abuse.com/index.php/bl...this-list-out/

MP’s - Is Any Child Safe? Check this list out. * Updated *

By Teresa | 9th Nov 2009 |

How many more is the question? I haven’t checked everyone of them out so be my guest and add to the list if some have been missed which I am sure they have and correct any that got off with it or wasn’t convicted. Took ages going over the net. Scary isn’t it! The list of Police convicted for child abuse or child abuse images is coming soon and a list of Paedophiles murdered which is over 10

Labour Councillor (Northampton/Northamptonshire), and former School Governor, Alec Dyer-Atkins – Convicted and jailed for 2 years in 2003 for downloading more than 42,000 pictures and films described in court as “Horrifying images of child abuse”. Dyer-Atkins was a member of an international paedophile ring called `The Shadows Brotherhood` which was successfully penetrated following stirling work by Britain’s National Hi-Tech Crime Unit (NHTCU). Commenting on the conviction of the depraved Labour Party beast, NHTCU Deputy Head, Mick Deats said: “This man had some of the worst images on his computers that officers from this unit have ever viewed”.

Tory Party General election candidate, Michael Powell - Convicted and jailed for 3 years for downloading hardcore child porn.

. Tory Party Councillor (Wickbar/Bristol) Roger Talboys - Convicted and jailed for 6 years for multiple sex attacks on children.

. Tory Party Vice-Chairman of Welsh Conservatives, Andrew Baker - Received a banning order for stalking women.

. Tory Party MP (Billericay) Harvey Proctor - Stood trial for sex offences of a sado-masochistic nature against teenage boys, and was forced to resign.

. Tory Party Councillor ( Stratford-upon-Avon ) Christopher Pilkington - Convicted of downloading hardcore child porn on his PC. Placed on sex offenders register and forced to resign.

. Tory Party councillor ( Coventry ), Peter Stidworthy - Charged with indecent assault of a 15-year old boy.

. Tory Party Mayor ( North Tyneside ), Chris Morgan - Forced to resign after being arrested twice in 2 weeks, for indecent assault on a 15-year old girl, and for suspicion of downloading child porn.

. Tory Party MEP, Tom Spencer - Caught smuggling drugs and porn through customs.

. Tory Party councillor and former Mayor (Wrexham), Michael Morris - Convicted and put on probation for 2 years, for the indecent assault of another man, which was captured on CCTV.

. Tory Party Liaison Manager on the London Assembly, Douglas Campbell, who’s job includes running the Tory GLA website - Arrested for allegedly downloading child porn. He is currently suspended while the Police investigation continues.

. Labour Councillor (Newton Aycliffe) Martin Locklyn - Convicted and jailed for 15 years for sexually abusing 3 14-year-old boys.

. Labour Councillor (North Lincolnshire) David Spooner - Convicted and jailed for 1 year for masturbating in front of 2 young boys.

. Labour Mayor (Westhoughton/Lancashire) Nicholas Green - Convicted and jailed for 10 years for 3 rapes and 13 counts of indecent assault against little girls between the age of 6 and 10. He raped one woman on her wedding day.

. Labour Mayor (Todmordon) John Winstanley - Convicted and jailed for rape and threats to kill. After raping and threatening to kill his terrified victim, Winstanley then ordered the woman to go on all fours before urinating on her.

. Prominent Labour Party activist Mark Tann (who has met Tony & Cherie at Party functions) recently got a 15-year sentence for raping a 4-year old girl on 2 separate occasions.

. Labour’s current Parliamentary Candidate (Reading East) Tony Page - Has 2 Convictions for Acts of Gross Indecency` in public toilets.

. Labour Mayor (Burnley) Mark Swainston - Convicted of sex offences in public toilet.

. Entire Labour Party conspired to conceal the activities of Labour Party activist and serial child-molester Mark Trotter, who died from AIDS before he could be convicted.

. Labour Councillor (North Yorkshire) Raymond Coats - Court appearance for indecently assaulting a woman.

. Labour MP (Rhonda Valley) Chris Bryant poses in his pants on the Internet to advertise himself for casual gay sex encounters. Describes himself as “Horny as bu**ery” and says, “I’d love a good long f**k”.

. Labour Councillor (Manchester), George Harding - Charged with indecent assault on a girl of 12.

. Labour MP Ron Davies was mugged by a Rasta on Clapham Common while cruising for gay sex. He was photographed again by the media recently, engaged in some `man-on-man` action in a field off a motorway. “I was only looking for badgers” he said.

. Labour Councillor (Durham), Derrick Payne - Arrested by Police following a sex attack.

. Labour MP, Joe Ashton - Caught up in a Police raid while frequenting a brothel. Tried to lie his way out of the scandal.

. Labour Councillor (Shropshire), Derek Woodvine - Arrested by Police in anti-porn operation.

. Labour Councillor (Basildon), Tony Wright - Forced to resign after being caught using his council computer to download porn.

. Labour MP (Sheffield), Clive Betts - Suspended from Parliament for 7 days after being caught forging immigration papers to extend the stay of his Brazilian rent-boy gay lover.

* Senior clerk Phillip Lyon, who arranges the weekly Prime Minister’s Question Time for Tony Blair, was arrested after vice cops raided his Commons office.Lyon, 37, is accused of making indecent images of children.

* The Labour Party in Calderdale has been plunged into a crisis as their lead candidate, and former Mayor of Hebden Royd, Stewart Brown, has been arrested on suspicion of child porn offences.

Labour Councillor and Deputy Council Leader (Northumberland), John Whiteman, who was also a senior member of the local police authority – Convicted and fined in 2002 for soliciting a prostitute in the red light district of Middlesbrough. The court heard Whitman was arrested in his car as Police discovered him in a “state of undress” with a lady of the night he had just paid £35 for sex. He subsequently resigned from the council.

Labour Councillor (Stoke/Staffordshire), Michael Barnes, put forward a motion in July 2004 to change the constitution of Stoke-on-Trent Council. The proposed amendments were designed to prevent the City’s two British National Party councillors from chairing any committees, so as to `protect` the good citizens of Stoke from the beastly BNP types they’d voted for in huge numbers to represent them. As Mr Barnes explained to the local paper, the move was “to prevent the BNP from exerting more influence”, and was “in the best interests of the people of Stoke-on-Trent”. A few months later, in November 2004, the civic-minded and virtuous Councillor Barnes appeared at North Staffordshire Magistrates Court, to face seven different charges relating to child pornography

Labour Councillor (Durham), Derrick Payne – Arrested by Police following a sex attack

Labour Councillor and former Mayor (Halton/Cheshire), Liam Temple - Convicted in 2004 of `Inciting a child under 16 to commit an act of gross indecency` after the 58-year old Labour pervert had attempted to molest a 12-year old girl. During the case, the brave youngster told the court via a video link: “He said if I let him touch me he would give me money”.

Labour Councillor (Coxhoe/Durham), Les Sheppard – Convicted in 2004 on ten counts of indecent assault on young girls. Jailed for 2 years, and placed on the sex offenders register for 10 years. Teeside Crown Court heard how 71 year old Cllr Sheppard lured his victims into his gold Porsche before driving them to remote spots, where he would submit them to sickening sex attacks. After his arrest, the Labour nonce-case told police “I love women, but you do things which you regret”. Sheppard’s `women` victims were between 9 and 13 years old.

According to media reports, the names of 2 former Labour Cabinet Ministers said to be `Household names` appear on the `Operation Ore` list of subscribers to hard-core child pornography. The same FBI investigation, which led to the arrest of rock star Pete Townshend. So who are they Mr. Blair?

Yusef Azad – One of Ken Livingston’s overpaid left-wing cronies on the London Assembly gravy train – Resigned from his 60K-plus a year job `assisting` Assembly members, after being arrested on suspicion of downloading child porn in 2003.

Labour Councillor (Wokingham/Berkshire), Nelson Bland – Convicted on 16 counts of possession and distribution of hardcore child porn in 2004. Sentenced to community service, placed on the sex offender’s register and ordered to attend rehabilitation classes for paedophiles. Bland used his own teenage daughters computer to hoard his grotesque gallery of child abuse, which was discovered by police during a search of Bland`s home, when they arrested him in connection with the murder of a Nottingham businessman

Labour Councillor and Mayor-Elect (Merton/London), Sam Chaudry – Due to become Merton’s first Asian Mayor, before he was arrested, tried and convicted of multiple sex attacks on young girls in 1999. One of his victims was a 5-year old.

Labour Councillor (Halton/Leeds), Lee Benson – Convicted and awaiting sentence in 2005, after pleading guilty on 12 counts of possession of indecent images of children, featuring youngsters between the ages of 5 and 11. Benson, who has a child of his own, repaid the fools who voted for him by storing his revolting kiddie porn collection on the computer provided for him by the council. Benson has been `suspended` - not expelled - by the Labour Party, which means his name remains on the Labour Party membership list, as well as on the sex offenders register. As to which is the more shameful – take your pick!

Labour Councillor (Bridgend/South Wales), Iestyn Tudor Davies – Convicted, jailed for 7 years, and placed on the sex offender’s register for life in 2005, for repeatedly raping a 9-year old girl

Labour Councillor (Newham/London), Greg Vincent, who was the Election Agent to Labour MP Tony Banks at the 2001 General Election – Convicted and given a 2-year community rehabilitation order in 2003, for possession of hardcore kiddie porn films and photos, featuring children as young as 8. One of the photos the Labour Councillor found so entertaining, featured – as described in court – a girl aged around 10, naked except for a dog-collar, being assaulted and abused while her hands were tied behind her back around a beam. Vincent was also a School Governor

Prominent Edinburgh Labour party activist and election candidate, Rab Knox - Convicted and jailed for 3 years in 2005 for a horrific sex attack on a woman passenger in his taxi cab.

Labour Party Official (North West England Regional Officer, and parliamentary adviser to the Home Office Minister responsible for crime and policing, Hazel Blears), Peter Tuffley – Convicted and jailed for 15 months and placed on the sex offenders register for 10 years in 2006, for the sexual molestation of a 13-year old boy that he had previously `groomed` on the internet. Tuffley was described as a `rising star` within the Labour Party - which is nothing to be proud of either

Labour Councillor (Hornchurch/Essex), Alan Prescott, who was also a senior magistrate – Convicted and jailed for 2 years in 2001, for molesting children at the East London care home where he was the superintendent. Prescott, described in court as a “pillar of his local community” admitted carrying out sex attacks on four teenage boys as they slept in their beds

Labour Parliamentary candidate (Cheadle/Cheshire), Paul Diggert – Subject of a 2002 police investigation into the alleged procurement of underage girls for sexual purposes via internet chatrooms. According to the `Sunday Mirror` (3/11/02), Diggert had admitted to having four underage girls that he was `grooming` for sex. In 2004 Diggert was convicted of making and distributing indecent pictures of children

Labour Councillor (Dagenham/London), Terry Power – Forced to resign in 1999 after being arrested and charged with sex attacks on teenage boys. Details of trial and conviction to follow.

Labour Councillor (Westlands/Worcestershire), Keith Rogers – Convicted, fined, and placed on the sex offender’s register in 2003, after downloading over 2,000 hardcore child porn photos on his computer

Labour councillor Ex-Paston councillor Gilbert Benn (48) A former city councillor was a five-year jail sentence for molesting an 11-year-old boy and threatening the youngster’s mother in a bid to cover his tracks.
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Old 29-12-2009, 03:07 PM   #66
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'Open the curtains, throw open the windows and permit the light of investigation and fresh air into family courts and sexual, emotional and physical abuse of the vulnerable - expose the abuse & the abuse of authority of those acting in OUR name!
No child asked to be or enjoys abuse,
it is for the gratification of the inadequate'.


To understand the Concept & Service of StolenKids-
where you can help yourself and others at:
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And still they refuse to answer, how many more people have to demand justice for children , if we dont care about children we are truly lost


http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reques...outgoing-47261

Dear Freedom of Information Unit,

Thank you for your email of 11th December.

As i am sure you are aware, family courts are surrounded in
secrecy. Social workers and other public officials therefore can
hide behind caveats and other protocols. As such, the only scrutiny
of these public officials can take place in the release of
statistics and other data, which you now refuse to release on
grounds of cost.

I do not agree with the assessment that the cost of acquiring a
break down of perjury referrals to the CPS from the family court is
too expensive to justify. The Justice Secretary has stated on
several occasions his desire for more accountability in these
courts. Releasing this information is only the first step and at
£600 is cheap at double the price.

Release the information.

Yours sincerely,

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Brian Gerrish ‘child stealing by the state’






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Why are the media not banging on Brian Gerrish's door, he should be in all the newspapers, main news, breakfast show's, etc

Thousands of children are being stolen in the UK by the state every year, and the media is deadly silent.

What is happening to these children is disgusting; with a fraction of the coverage given to the Mccan's this could be stopped this overnight.

Please dont let the brave work of Brian Gerrish , who has done far more in one hour to expose this evil , than all the MP's and so-called media put together.

Will this be hidden under the 100 year secrecy act like the Dunblane atrocities,

Please dont let it , pass this on to everybody you know, mass exposure is needed NOW
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Speaking as a single mum, to four small children, and living in the UK, I had never heard of this 'Forced adoption', never heard of it, that is till I found out the hard way.

And Oh my gosh, its the cruelest, most horrendous thing that I have ever been unfortunate enough to have experienced, and am still fighting the damn, british legal system

Its scarey, coz, through illness last July, I had to place all four of my children, the eldest then being just 5, the youngest a baby aged a mere 15 months, into voluntary temporary foster care, whislt I recieved medical attention.

Well, I got the medical treatment, I required, did I get my babies back, nope.

They said, they being the Social Services, you know the people that aim to keep families together, that I was under investigation, and once they had the all clear from my doctors concerning my health and had done there assessments, they would return my children.

I was distraught, obviously, I was a good mum, never harmed my children in anyway. And even though, Social Services themselves admitted, in court hat "They cant fault my parenting skills", and even though all the various assessments on myself and my children all came back with the same conclusion, to "Return, the children to the mother" my children are STILL in foster care, and under the "Fast track forced adoption" route the Social Services do, they are now putting my children up for adoption. Under the grounds that they now believe that I am emotionally unstable, and that if I were to become ill again, it could cause my children "Potential Emotion Harm/Distress

So I guess, I have to ask, having had my children STOLEN by Social Services, done all they have asked, been polite and worked with them, been lied to by them on several occasions, had over a year of assessments, interrigations, and of being treated like a crimainal - just who wouldnt be emotionally unstable, I also have to ask, do they have any idea of the ACTUAL EMOTIONAL HARM they have caused my children, by them being seperated not only from there mother, but from each other, not forgetting ofcourse all the moves they have endured since being in care.

Its heart breaking, Im loosing my children, and theres not a damn thing I can do to prevent it, as Im bound and gagged by our legal system

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Speaking as a single mum, to four small children, and living in the UK, I had never heard of this 'Forced adoption', never heard of it, that is till I found out the hard way.

And Oh my gosh, its the cruelest, most horrendous thing that I have ever been unfortunate enough to have experienced, and am still fighting the damn, british legal system

Its scarey, coz, through illness last July, I had to place all four of my children, the eldest then being just 5, the youngest a baby aged a mere 15 months, into voluntary temporary foster care, whislt I recieved medical attention.

Well, I got the medical treatment, I required, did I get my babies back, nope.

They said, they being the Social Services, you know the people that aim to keep families together, that I was under investigation, and once they had the all clear from my doctors concerning my health and had done there assessments, they would return my children.

I was distraught, obviously, I was a good mum, never harmed my children in anyway. And even though, Social Services themselves admitted, in court hat "They cant fault my parenting skills", and even though all the various assessments on myself and my children all came back with the same conclusion, to "Return, the children to the mother" my children are STILL in foster care, and under the "Fast track forced adoption" route the Social Services do, they are now putting my children up for adoption. Under the grounds that they now believe that I am emotionally unstable, and that if I were to become ill again, it could cause my children "Potential Emotion Harm/Distress

So I guess, I have to ask, having had my children STOLEN by Social Services, done all they have asked, been polite and worked with them, been lied to by them on several occasions, had over a year of assessments, interrigations, and of being treated like a crimainal - just who wouldnt be emotionally unstable, I also have to ask, do they have any idea of the ACTUAL EMOTIONAL HARM they have caused my children, by them being seperated not only from there mother, but from each other, not forgetting ofcourse all the moves they have endured since being in care.

Its heart breaking, Im loosing my children, and theres not a damn thing I can do to prevent it, as Im bound and gagged by our legal system

I am so sorry, the system is not designed to keep families together but rather to steal the children as you have unfortunately found out. Many are speaking out about these atrocities and much work is going on behind the scenes, including a class action.


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I am so sorry, the system is not designed to keep families together but rather to steal the children as you have unfortunately found out. Many are speaking out about these atrocities and much work is going on behind the scenes, including a class action.


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Why would local authorities want to 'steal' children? What do you think they intend to do with them?

Incidentally the Freedom Advocacy Law 'mob' are charlatans whose ICC 'claim' is utterly hopeless. I the Freedom Advocacy Law 'Advocates' had bothered to read articles 5 to 8 of the Rome Statute they'd have discovered the issue they're raising is outside the ICC's jurisdiction.

http://www.icc-cpi.int/NR/rdonlyres/...te_English.pdf

I'm of the view that selling false hope to desperate people is pretty low.

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Speaking as a single mum, to four small children, and living in the UK, I had never heard of this 'Forced adoption', never heard of it, that is till I found out the hard way.

And Oh my gosh, its the cruelest, most horrendous thing that I have ever been unfortunate enough to have experienced, and am still fighting the damn, british legal system

Its scarey, coz, through illness last July, I had to place all four of my children, the eldest then being just 5, the youngest a baby aged a mere 15 months, into voluntary temporary foster care, whislt I recieved medical attention.

Well, I got the medical treatment, I required, did I get my babies back, nope.

They said, they being the Social Services, you know the people that aim to keep families together, that I was under investigation, and once they had the all clear from my doctors concerning my health and had done there assessments, they would return my children.

I was distraught, obviously, I was a good mum, never harmed my children in anyway. And even though, Social Services themselves admitted, in court hat "They cant fault my parenting skills", and even though all the various assessments on myself and my children all came back with the same conclusion, to "Return, the children to the mother" my children are STILL in foster care, and under the "Fast track forced adoption" route the Social Services do, they are now putting my children up for adoption. Under the grounds that they now believe that I am emotionally unstable, and that if I were to become ill again, it could cause my children "Potential Emotion Harm/Distress

So I guess, I have to ask, having had my children STOLEN by Social Services, done all they have asked, been polite and worked with them, been lied to by them on several occasions, had over a year of assessments, interrigations, and of being treated like a crimainal - just who wouldnt be emotionally unstable, I also have to ask, do they have any idea of the ACTUAL EMOTIONAL HARM they have caused my children, by them being seperated not only from there mother, but from each other, not forgetting ofcourse all the moves they have endured since being in care.

Its heart breaking, Im loosing my children, and theres not a damn thing I can do to prevent it, as Im bound and gagged by our legal system
There maybe 2 ways of looking at this:

As a mother of 4 children under 5 you have been left high and dry by your partner for some reason, death, he was a twat and left...whatever. You became medically ill and were unable to get the father to look after them or be able to extend the child minding duties or afford them from the ones you have in place that currently allow you to return to work after having the kids, so you could have the treatment and recuperation and the social services are being equally twat like in not providing help for you and your kids.

or

it's highly irresponsible to be a single parent, through choice, to 4 kids under 5 and sponge off the benefit system because working is highly unlikely with 4 pre school children and now that social services are aware of your irresponsible behaviour they are taking the hard line.

Maybe there's another option but whatever, let's hope the children end up in a better place(not dead obviously which is usually meant by "better place")
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Why would local authorities want to 'steal' children? What do you think they intend to do with them?

Incidentally the Freedom Advocacy Law 'mob' are charlatans whose ICC 'claim' is utterly hopeless. I the Freedom Advocacy Law 'Advocates' had bothered to read articles 5 to 8 of the Rome Statute they'd have discovered the issue they're raising is outside the ICC's jurisdiction.

http://www.icc-cpi.int/NR/rdonlyres/...te_English.pdf

I'm of the view that selling false hope to desperate people is pretty low.
As a member of the "mob" as you so colourfully described us, I feel I must respond to this.

The ICC *do* consider the Class Action a valid case under the Rome Statute, considering the fact that they have had eight prosecutors studying the case since 20 JULY! If they thought for one second that the case fell outside their jurisdiction, do you not think that they would have rejected it then?

Proof right HERE: http://www.freedom-advocacy-law.co.u...0the%20ICC.jpg
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Parents of forcibly adopted baby condemn 100 per cent success record of Enfield’s social workers

‘Mr Justice Mark Hedley, even said: “The father has never been prosecuted for any offence, nor have I seen evidence on which a jury could be sure of guilt of any offence.”

Despite this, the judge was still loath to go against advice from social workers and previous judicial decisions and the little girl was forcibly adopted, to the despair of her parents. Speaking to the Advertiser, the father said: “I don’t think the public have a clue how much of this goes on behind the scenes’

http://www.northlondon-today.co.uk/n...social+workers
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As a member of the "mob" as you so colourfully described us, I feel I must respond to this.

The ICC *do* consider the Class Action a valid case under the Rome Statute, considering the fact that they have had eight prosecutors studying the case since 20 JULY! If they thought for one second that the case fell outside their jurisdiction, do you not think that they would have rejected it then?

Proof right HERE: http://www.freedom-advocacy-law.co.u...0the%20ICC.jpg
Thats a generic 'don't call us, we'll call you' letter & by no means 'proof' of anything.

I can't for the life of me see how any article of the Rome Statute applies. Are you attempting to argue that Local Authorities are committing a 'crime against humanity' as per article 7 by complying with their duties under the Childrens Act 1989? In my opinion thats very much like attempting to buy a california roll & salmon sashimi in a Macdonalds outlet.

What proven expertise do you and your fellow 'advocates' have in international & public / private family law? (links to reported cases would be helpful)

I can't seem to confirm whether any the Freedom Advocacy Law 'advocates' are in fact qualified barristers or solicitors. Can you clarify?

Finally, how much do you charge your clients? Do you require a fee in order that a client be joined in your ICC class action? Do you have liability insurance?

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Thats a generic 'don't call us, we'll call you' letter & by no means 'proof' of anything.

I can't for the life of me see how any article of the Rome Statute applies. Are you attempting to argue that Local Authorities are committing a 'crime against humanity' as per article 7 by complying with their duties under the Childrens Act 1989? In my opinion thats very much like attempting to buy a california roll & salmon sashimi in a Macdonalds outlet.

What proven expertise do you and your fellow 'advocates' have in international & public / private family law? (links to reported cases would be helpful)

I can't seem to confirm whether any the Freedom Advocacy Law 'advocates' are in fact qualified barristers or solicitors. Can you clarify?

Finally, how much do you charge your clients? Do you require a fee in order that a client be joined in your ICC class action? Do you have liability insurance?
1. Just how, exactly, do you come to this conclusion? Do you write the ICC stationery?

2. Read the documents supplied on the website. They're pretty self explanatory. The Children Act 1989 (NOT plural as you put it, that is incorrect) by its very nature is designed to interfere with Human Rights. By the way, that McDonald's thing is a seriously bad analogy.

3. I cannot answer that on the grounds that public family cases are invariably held in camera, hence any reporting of such involvement would subject me to liability under civil contempt. As far as international cases, I leave that to the discretion of the individuals party to proceedings.

4. I will only clarify these points; read nothing further into this matter:

We are not members of the Law Society.
We are not members of the Bar.
At no point have any of us ever claimed the protected title of "solicitor" or "barrister" nor do we ever plan to.
We do have between us first hand experience, spanning several years, in international and criminal, civil, commercial and family law.

5. We do not charge our clients. There is no "fee" for addition to the Action. There never has been. Signatories are referred to in personal communications by name, they are not issued claim numbers, serialised, or any of that. We are Human Beings, and we do not forget that the people we are dealing with are also Human Beings, not statistics or case numbers.

Our liability information is available at Companies House. You may find any other information you might require (although I can't think for the life of me what or why) right there.

So, what do you do for a living? And what's your inside leg measurement?
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Old 15-09-2010, 10:21 PM   #78
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1. Just how, exactly, do you come to this conclusion? Do you write the ICC stationery?

2. Read the documents supplied on the website. They're pretty self explanatory. The Children Act 1989 (NOT plural as you put it, that is incorrect) by its very nature is designed to interfere with Human Rights. By the way, that McDonald's thing is a seriously bad analogy.

3. I cannot answer that on the grounds that public family cases are invariably held in camera, hence any reporting of such involvement would subject me to liability under civil contempt. As far as international cases, I leave that to the discretion of the individuals party to proceedings.

4. I will only clarify these points; read nothing further into this matter:

We are not members of the Law Society.
We are not members of the Bar.
At no point have any of us ever claimed the protected title of "solicitor" or "barrister" nor do we ever plan to.
We do have between us first hand experience, spanning several years, in international and criminal, civil, commercial and family law.

5. We do not charge our clients. There is no "fee" for addition to the Action. There never has been. Signatories are referred to in personal communications by name, they are not issued claim numbers, serialised, or any of that. We are Human Beings, and we do not forget that the people we are dealing with are also Human Beings, not statistics or case numbers.

Our liability information is available at Companies House. You may find any other information you might require (although I can't think for the life of me what or why) right there.

So, what do you do for a living? And what's your inside leg measurement?
1) It's self evidently a boiler plate letter & certainly doesn't indicate that the ICC attach any import to your application.

2) The CA '89 gives rights to children. Your suggestion that it is designed to interfere with Human Rights is frankly wrong. No senior Judge has declared any section of it incompatible with HRA '98.

3) You can answer on this point but choose not to. Family Division cases are regularly reported in a redacted format. Herewith an example from last month (note the reporting restrictions)

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2010/B19.html

4) So none of you are qualified lawyers? That hardly inspires confidence.

5) Your liability information is available at Companies House. So that means you 'hide behind the corporate veil'? So if your services are negligent / substandard your aggrieved clients can pursue an assetless ltd company?

6) What do I do for a living? I'll give you 3 guesses. My inside measurement is 31 inches.

Macdonalds a bad analogy? On reflection I agree. You guys are akin to 'Kentucky Fried' Law
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Bye, Ian.
Hardly a convincing rebuttal
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