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Old 22-03-2018, 10:45 AM   #36
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Geffen, Mandelson, Deripaska, Alcoa, Paulson, President Wilbur

Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea View Post
if trump is beholden to certain groups it could explain why he is not pushing back harder in the russiagate scandal to expose the criminality of clinton et al
I’m afraid that you still believe that Donald Trump is better than Hillary Clinton (or at least not as bad...). They’re part of the same Rothschild-controlled crime syndicate.
In our Brave New World, the justice system protects the big criminals. The Clintons, Obama, and Richard Nixon are all corrupt lawyers. What surprises me is that the same crowd that surrounded Nixon, is close to Donald Trump.
There are lots of people connected to both Donald Trump and the Clintons, f.e. Henry Kissinger and John McCain. Possibly even more controversial are their connections to Lynn Forester de Rothschild and Jeffrey Epstein
The strange thing is that it’s much easier to find the connections to the Clintons than to Trump, while Trump has known them much longer. Trump was already close to Lynn Forester and Epstein in the 1980s, when Governor Bill Clinton was helping the Bush crime syndicate to import cocaine and launder the profit...

David Geffen is one of those well-connected billionaires in the entertainment industry. According to the media very close to Hillary Clinton (and Obama).
After Geffen joined Instagram in 2016, one of the first photos he posted was with Karlie Kloss, the 24-year-old supermodel girlfriend of Joshua Kushner (Jared's brother).

In August 2016, during the presidential campaign, husband and wife Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump were on “holiday” in Croatia. They were pictured on the $200 million yacht the Rising Sun of billionaire David Geffen.
David Geffen was one of the earliest supporters of Barack Obama and donated to both Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders in the primary.

They later went sightseeing in Dubrovnik with Rupert “the FOX” Murdoch’s ex-wife Wendi Deng and Brian and wife Veronica Grazer.
Disney CEO Bob Iger is another Hillary Clinton supporter that frequently enjoys time on the Rising Sun:

Dmitry Rybolovlev bought Donald Trump’s Palm Beach, Florida mansion for $95 million in 2008. During the campaign his private jet was repeatedly spotted where Trump’s private jet arrived.
In March 2017, a spokesperson for Rybolovlev said it was "pure coincidence" that his and Trump’s planes were parked next to each other in North Carolina and that Rybolovlev "has no connection whatsoever to Mr. Trump or his team of advisers".

In one of those strange coincidences, none other than Dmitry Rybolovev’s yacht and private jet were in Croatia when Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump were there on August 10-13 2016.
Dmitry Rybolovlev’s yacht Anna was even in Dubrovnik, Croatia.

From Dubrovnik, Ivanka and Kushner went to Hvar, which is an island about 3-4 hours by boat. While Croatian media reported them in Dubrovnik on 11 and 12 August, Ivanka and American media waited until August 14 to post photos and stories on this trip.
During this part of the trip they could have met Rybolovlev.

Another interesting Trump-connection is that in March 2017 Rybolovlev’s yacht was photographed in the British Virgin Islands next to the Sea Owl yacht of Trump backer Robert Mercer.
Mercer also funded Breitbart News of Steve Bannon and Cambridge Analytica that orchestrated the Trump campaign and Brexit:
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In one of those strange coincidences, on 22/23 December 2017 the private jets of both Oleg Vladimirovich Deripaska and Dmitry Rybolovlev arrived in Miami.
At the same time President Donald Trump was entertaining guests at his Mar-a-Lago

In August 2009, Lord Peter Mandelson was criticised for taking a holiday because this resulted in the Olympics Minister Tessa Jowell - ranking 16th out of 23 in Brown's Cabinet - being the most senior cabinet member actually at her desk.
Tory Party chairman Eric Pickles noted:
Lord Mandelson's vicelike grip on power means he's untouchable and can do whatever he wants. You really know the country is in a shambolic state when we have an unelected official calling the shots from his holiday hideout.
Mandelson was (again) the guest of Nat Rothschild at the Corfu, Rothschild estate.
Bullingdon Boy, Shadow Chancellor George Osborne (now the Chancellor of the Exchequer) was also present to meet Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska.
Osborne later claimed that Mandelson had “poured pure poison” into his ear about PM Gordon Brown.
Then Rothschild tried to cover the scandal up by claiming that Osborne had asked for a donation from Deripaska.

Lord Mandelson also visited the 452-foot super-yacht Rising Sun, where he was hosted by Hollywood billionaire David Geffen.
Two weeks earlier, Tony Blair was entertained at the Rising Sun by head of Oracle Larry Ellison (Geffen shares the yacht with Ellison):
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On 24 May 2010, the Daily Mail reported about a meeting in January 2005, to which Nathaniel “Nat” Rothschild invited his good friend Peter Mandelson (at the time the European Union's Trade Commissioner, also architect of “New Labour”, former close adviser to Tony Blair, Business Secretary in Gordon Brown’s Cabinet and a “Lord”) with Oleg Deripaska. This meeting had first been made public in 2008.
Rothschild and Mandelson flew from Switzerland to Moscow in a private jet belonging to Deripaska's close adviser. Because inviting Mandelson to this meeting had not been prepared, he didn’t even have a visa. Rusal’s head of security, a former KGB officer, simply arranged this.
If I understand correctly the 2 sources for this story are a “friend” of Alcoa agent Victor Dahdaleh (worth £8-9 billion) and a “former Rusal executive”.

In January 2005, Deripaska was dining with 2 close associates: CEO of his Basic Element holding company Gulzhan Moldazhanova and Rothschild’s Canadian friend and business partner Peter Munk.
They were accompanied by 3 senior executives from the American aluminium giant Alcoa - chairman Alain Belda, vice-president Barbara Jeremiah and head of communications Jake Siewert (formerly Press Secretary to President Clinton).
Alcoa and Rusal were negotiating the sale of 2 Russian aluminium plants for £250 million each.

According to a source, Alcoa would only go through with the sale if the tariffs would go down. Was Peter Mandelson at this meeting to confirm they would?!

On 31 January 2005, less than 24 hours after the Moscow dinner, the Rusal-Alcoa deal was closed.
A couple of months after this meeting, the billionaire Dahdaleh donated £15,000 to Mandelson.
Mandelson’s EU spokesman stated that they had only met “at a few social gatherings in 2006 and 2007”, and never discussed aluminium.
Mandelson had earlier been spotted with Deripaska in Moscow in October 2004.

Over the next 4 years, Mandelson’s EU Trade Commission in Brussels made a series of decisions on tariffs that benefitted those present at the dinner.
In December 2005, the tariff on Russian aluminium imports was cancelled, to the benefit of Alcoa's new plants.
In May 2007, the duty on imports of unwrought Russian aluminium was cut from 7.5% to 6%, which benefitted Rusal.
In January 2009, the EU quietly gave Russia a 3% discount on the import duty for rolled aluminium products.

This caused dumping of cheap aluminium on the European market, forcing at least 4 British factories to the ground. Alcoa closed its South Wales aluminium rolling plant (300 jobs lost). In 2008, a Welsh plant at Rogerstone shut down (another 400 jobs), and plants at Falkirk and Glasgow were also closed:
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Nat Rothschild also sat on the international advisory board of the world's largest gold producer Barrick Gold owned by the Canadian Peter Munk. Munk has invested heavily in Rothschild's Atticus hedge fund and also sat on the international advisory board of Rusal.
Deripaska, Munk and Rothschild are also partners in developing a resort near Tivat in Montenegro. In early 2008, Deripaska was the largest private employer in Montenegro after acquiring a state-owned aluminium company.

Rothschild sued the Daily Mail for libel over the previous article and (surprisingly) lost in 2012 (just to be on the safe side the article was deleted anyway).
During the law suit it emerged that after the dinner in Moscow in January 2005, Rothschild, Deripaska, Mandelson and Peter Munk boarded Deripaska’s private jet and flew to Siberia.
In Siberia, they stayed at Deripaska’s country house and visited several industrial sites.

Judge Tugendhat that ruled on the case conluded:
Mr Rothschild states that he took Lord Mandelson on the trip as a friend and not for any business reason.
I cannot accept that the position was as simple as that ...?I do not accept that there is a clear line between the business and the personal sides of Mr Rothschild’s relationship with Mr Deripaska.
They have very extensive business relationships. When asked about this, Mr Rothschild gave what I regard as quite unrealistic answers.

That dinner was not recreational. Nor was it private in the sense of being part of his private life.
By facilitating the development of a relationship between Mr Deripaska and Lord Mandelson, Mr Rothschild was, in my judgment, conferring a benefit on, and seeking to please, both Mr Deripaska and Lord Mandelson.

In my judgment, that conduct foreseeably brought Lord Mandelson’s public office and personal integrity into disrepute and exposed him to accusations of conflict of interest, and it gave rise to the reasonable grounds to suspect that Lord Mandelson had engaged in improper discussions with Mr Deripaska about aluminium.
they probably talked about aluminium. There are photos of their party wearing Rusal’s jackets and safety helmets on their visit to the smelter, and standing with a guide, to whom they appear to be listening.
Peter Mandelson had visited the Rothschild estate in Corfu more often. He also met Oleg Deripaska and Bullingdon alumnus (and then Shadow Chancellor) George Osborne in at least one of these occasions:
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According to Rothschild, Mandelson had only visited the Sayanogorsk smelter for a “nanosecond”, which defense was dismissed by the Judge.
See Peter Munk, Mandelson, Deripaska and Nat Rothschild at the Siberian smelter.

In January 2010, Rothschild Inc. made tens of millions of pounds for “advising” Rusal in an Initial Public Offering (of 10% of the shares Rusal) on the Hong Kong stock exchange.
France's BNP Paribas and Switzerland's Credit Suisse sponsored and co-ordinated the deal and also acted as book-runners with Bank of America, Merrill Lynch, Bank of China International (BOCI), Japanese bank Nomura, Renaissance Capital, Sberbank and VTB Capital.

After the IPO, Deripaska's and Rothschild’s EN+ would own 47.6% cent of Rusal shares;
Onexim Group of Mikhail Prokhorov held - 17.1%;
Sual Partners, controlled by Viktor Vekselberg and Len Blavatnik - 15.9%;
Swiss-based Glencore (of Marc Rich fame) - 8.65%:

The investors in the Rusal IPO included:
Nat Rothschild’s investment company;
Robert Kuok Hock Nien, the Malaysian-Chinese billionaire;
Russian state-owned Vnesheconombank (VEB pledged to buy nearly one third of the IPO);
Paulson & Co., the New York hedge fund of billionaire John Paulson:

See from left, Vekselberg, Deripaska, and Glencore's Ivan Glasenberg, after signing the 2006 agreement on merging the assets of Rusal, Sual, and Glencore.

John Paulson is (another) interesting connection to President Donald…
In 2016, Donald Trump got together some of the big shots from Goldman Sachs on his financial team.
Arguably the most important was John Paulson (of Goldman Sachs), who made over $5 billion by betting against his own clients, while participating in crashing the American mortgage markets.
After making billions of dollars, Goldman Sachs settled the fraud charges with the SEC for $550 million and had the Frenchman Fabrice Tourre convicted for this multibillion crime.
This scheme bankrupted the Royal Bank of Scotland, and it were the British taxpayers that paid for the losses:

Bonesman, Treasury secretary Steven Mnuchin made his fortune at Goldman Sachs, before becoming CEO at Soros Fund Management.
In 2009, Mnuchin got together a group of investors that included George Soros and John Paulson to buy the IndyMac Bank that had been shut down in 2008. After they renamed it OneWest Bank it was sold a few years later with a profit of billions.
Even Mnuchin in the past has donated heavily to Hillary Clinton’s election campaigns:

Donald Trump’s relationship with Deutsche Bank began in 1998 when he “loaned” $125 million.

Part of the $10 billion in mirror trades through Deutsche Bank’s Moscow office involved money from Putin associates and childhood friends Arkady and Boris Rotenberg.
The Rotenberg brothers have a long association with Ukrainian oligarch Dmitry Firtash, who has long-time ties to Paul Manafort.

One favoured recipient of Deutsche Bank “loans” was giant telecommunications company VimpelCom (VIP), recently renamed VEON (214 million subscribers). It is listed on the NYSE and part of the Alfa Group of Mikhail M. Fridman and Pyotr Aven.
According to a 2 October 2016 report, Robert Mercer’s RenTec bought 866,100 shares of VIP.

Deutsche Bank helped US clients with “basket options” to evade taxes.
Between 2000 and 2012, Renaissance Technology (RenTec) purchased 29 basket options with a notional value of $46 billion and profits totalling $15.9 billion. The co-CEO of RenTec, billionaire Robert Mercer, contributed over $20 million to Republican candidates during the 2016 election campaign (and was one of the biggest supporters to Trump’s campaign). Robert Mercer also funded Breitbart and the SCL Group (parent company of Cambridge Analytica).
In 2016, Dmitry Firtash was a board member of SCL when Mike Flynn was a paid consultant. Cambridge Analytica employed Steve Bannon and Kellyanne Conway.

In November 2014, former CEO of Deutsche Bank, Josef Ackerman, became chairman of the Bank of Cyprus. This was proposed by its major shareholder Wilbur Ross. Josef Ackerman is also on the board of Renova.
The second-largest shareholder of Bank of Cyprus at this time was Viktor Vekselberg, another Russian oligarch and head of the Renova Corp. Vekselberg is also in business with Mikhail Fridman in AAR and the Russian born with American citizenship Len Blavatnik. Vekselberg sold his Aluminium company to Oleg Deripaska, who turned it into Rusal.

Another large shareholder of the Bank of Cyprus is Dmitry Rybolovlev, who was also in business with Robert Mercer as co-CEO of the Hedge Fund RenTec.:
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(For more information check parts 1 and 3 of the whowhatwhy story...)

See from left to right – Blavatnik, Mikhail Fridman, Lord John Browne and Vekselberg, February 2003.

There are lots of rumours that Russians interfered with the US Presidential elections, but there is no real mystery on who rigged the elections.
SCL (the parent company of Cambridge Analytica) has specialised in behaviour modifying strategies including election rigging. Besides the Trump campaign, SCL has worked for Ted Cruz and successfully made Brexit happen.
SCL has been supported by amongst others Robert Mercer, Steve Bannon, Rex Tillerson, and Michael Flynn. SCL is headquartered in London, England (so not Russia).

In 2004, Strategic Communication Laboratories Ltd. Orchestrated the Orange Revolution in the Ukraine, which used internet to make it happen.

SCL once advertised their product with: the OpCentre “can override all national radio and TV broadcasts in time of crisis”:

Cambridge Analytica worked on Ted Cruz’s campaign before it was hired to work their magic on the Trump campaign.
By common consensus, Cambridge Analytica is owned by Robert Mercer, but in reality Cambridge is “the US subsidiary of SCL Group” in which the British Iranian multimillionaire Vincent Tchenguiz is the largest shareholder.

Cambridge Analytica is entirely owned by SCL Elections, owned by executive Alexander Nix. From shortly after its inception in 2005 until June 2015, the largest of the 15 shareholders of the UK Strategic Communications Laboratories Ltd. (in 2015 renamed to SCL Group) was Tchenguiz.
On 11 November 2006, a new director was appointed by Tchenguiz’ — Julian David Wheatland. Even today, a year after Tchenguiz divested his shares, SCL Group Chairman is still Julian Wheatland.

Vincent Tchenguiz also has connections to Ukrainian oligarch Dmitry Firtash.
Tchenguiz used the same Guernsey holding company, Wheddon Ltd., to invest both in SCL Group and another privately held UK business - Zander Group Ltd.
In 2005-2006, Tchenguiz invested in Zander through his Vantania Holdings Ltd.; on 11 September 2015, Vantania transferred its shares to Wheddon Ltd.
From 2006 until 2011, the largest single shareholding in Zander Group, 28% of the shares, was owned by a Cyprus company called Spadi Trading. And Spadi was owned by Group DF, in the British Virgin Islands, of the Ukrainian money launderer Dmitry Firtash.

In March 2011, the brothers Tchenguiz were arrested as they were suspected to be guilty of a bankruptcy fraud involving the Icelandic bank Kaupthing. Just before its collapse, Kaupthing’s loans to the Tchenguiz brothers totalled 40% of its capital. It has been charged that Kaupthing was effectively looted by the Tchenguiz brothers (who controlled the bank). The Tchenguiz brothers were acquitted as in our Brave New World the legal system protects the big criminals.

Kaupthing’s largest shareholder, Meidur (now called Exista), owned 25% of its shares, had ties to Alfa Bank.
Trump adviser Richard Burt was a senior advisor to Alfa Bank
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The Trump administration recently awarded Cambridge Analytica’s parent company, London-based SCL Group Ltd, with the contract for the US State Department’s “Global Engagement Center”.
SCL Group will use its psychological profiling and data manipulation techniques as part of a “counter-radicalization” campaign directed at young men in other countries who could be radicalised into joining ISIS…

Cambridge Analytica had the ability to micro-target Facebook users. They could reach into the exact zip codes and precincts for the Trump Campaign.
Literally within hours of the WikiLeaks dumps that started on 22 July 2016, the Trump Campaign was sending micro-targeted messages to Facebook, Twitter and other social media accounts. It is unlikely that Cambridge Analytica could be able to analyse this mass of data and pick out “smoking gun” segments for transmission to potential Trump voters so quickly without advance knowledge.
Cambridge Analytica and SCL have financial ties to Alfa Bank, and there could also be a role for Trump advisor Richard Burt, who sat on Alfa’s senior advisory board.
Maybe the communication between the Trump organization server, Spectrum Health and Alfa Bank was to transmit the coming WikiLeaks dump and/or hacked voting records to target individual voters.

In early 2017, during the transition period and after Trump’s inauguration, Cambridge Analytica had a series of meetings with Trump and his team.
The subject was how Cambridge Analytica could continue “managing public opinion” regarding the policies of the Trump Administration. At the same time, Cambridge Analytica discussed with the Trump Administration on how to promote the real estate “products” of the Trump Organization:
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In September 2002, Alfa Bank formed a strategic partnership with Gazprom, to provide credit to Gazprom.
This includes a joint position on the indebted Gazprom subsidiary, Sibur.
Alfa Bank agreed to take over Sibur’s debts:
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Deputy Chairman of Sibur, Kirill Shamalov (married to Putin’s “alleged” daughter Katerina Tikhonova) holds a 3.9% stake in the firm. Two other major Sibur shareholders - Leonid Mikhelson and Gennady Timchenko - are under some form of US sanctions. According to the US Treasury, in 2014 Putin held investments in Timchenko’s oil-trading firm.
Sibur itself is not under sanctions, which gives it a head start on its competitors that are under sanctions.

Navigator Holdings earns millions a year transporting oil and gas for Sibur. Wilbur Ross first invested in Navigator Holdings in 2011. In the summer of 2012, WL Ross took control of Navigator by buying a further $110 million stake from the collapsed Lehman Brothers bank.
In 2016, 31.5% was still held by entities in which Ross has a stake. In 2017, the WLR stake in Navigator was worth about $179 million, but it is not clear how much is held by Ross personally.

In 2012-2014, Wilbur Ross was a board member of Navigator. During that period Navigator increased its business with Sibur. The energy firm accounted for 9.1% of Navigator's total revenues in 2015, compared with 5.3% in 2014. Sibur has provided Navigator with $68 million (£49 million) in revenue since 2014.
Navigator went public on the New York stock exchange, its share price buoyed by the Sibur deal. Ross more than doubled his investment.

After Ross left Navigator's board in November 2014, his seat was taken by Ross group partner Wendy Teramoto until 2017. Teramoto resigned to join the Trump administration as Ross’s chief of staff.
Navigator doubled the ships transporting for Sibur to 4 in 2017, as Ross joined Trump’s administration.
On the night Ross was nominated as commerce secretary, he went to a restaurant in New York and said to the Navigator Holdings CEO:
Your interest is aligned to mine. The US economy will grow, and Navigator will be a beneficiary.
In May 2014, a Russian government fund invested $700 million in the Ust-Luga port, where Sibur has exclusive rights to ship liquefied gas.
In December 2015, Sibur received a $1.75 billion state loan at a third of the market rate.

Ross is the wealthiest member of Trump’s cabinet with an estimated $2.9 billion.
In 2014, Ross led the €1 billion takeover of the Bank of Cyprus. The billionaire Russian industrialist Viktor Vekselberg invested in the bank takeover. Vekselberg was present at the December 2015 dinner in Moscow for RT, where Trump’s future national security adviser Michael Flynn and Jill Stein were photographed at the same table as Putin.

Navigator vessels also carried out extensive business with the Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA. Trump imposed sanctions on PDVSA in August:
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This looks like the US President with Donald Trump and Mike Pence.
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