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lewi 18-02-2019 01:34 PM

Labour politicians nobody has heard of leave party
 
Do the people really care? ... :lol:

https://rightsinfo.org/seven-mps-spl...m-allegations/

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Seven MPs Split From Labour Party Over Handling Of Antisemitism Allegations Among the reasons cited for the split were accusations that Labour had mishandled accusations of anti-Semitism, as well as the leadership’s stance on Brexit and other issues.

Luciana Berger, Chris Leslie, Angela Smith, Gavin Shuker, Mike Gapes, Ann Coffey and Chuka Umunna ?? have all declared their intentions to leave the party.
People who can afford to quit working outright and still survive in this hostile environment created by this and past governments are not worth anyone's time or effort.

They obviously have more money than sense.

Magnificent seven party coming soon ... :peace:

jaybigjay 18-02-2019 02:14 PM

I was listening to one of them prattling away on the Jeremy vine show on radio 2. Good ridance to the lot of them. All seven have there tongues wedged firmly up Israels ring-piece

lewi 18-02-2019 02:23 PM

Help us understand the problem
 
I do not understand the so called rise in antisemitism I see no evidence of this, Jewish people in the UK seem happy enough to me.

They are not under any type of oppression or attack in the UK and if it wasn't for the UK and the allies they wouldn't be here any more.

Is saying that antisemitism !? That question to me is conversation.

sparkplug 18-02-2019 03:26 PM

I had a long drive today.

Had this on 5 live from 10am to 11am.

In short, Labour have gone too far to the left (Corbyn and McDonnell are comunists) and the Labour party are anti semetic, racists and bully their MPs.

That's 7 people that have left Labour (no pun intended) I wonder if any Tories or Lib Dems will be joining them?

The one thing that they said that did make sense was that UK politics is broken. It certainly is. All our MPs live in a different reality and don't give a shit about anyone but themselves.

madbomber 18-02-2019 04:23 PM

Labour hasn't represented the working class for a long time. Thatcher did the main job of demolition but Blair was there to administer the coup de grace to the working class. I feel sorry for young people today. Huge student debt,, no chance of buying a home, zero hours contracts, toothless trades unions, endless wars, and an overbearing bureaucracy both at home and in Europe. Every bit of hard-won legislation that has favoured the working class since 1945 has been dismantled or is in the process of being sold off. It has been a betrayal on a grand scale.

mranderson 18-02-2019 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by lewi (Post 1063059893)
I do not understand the so called rise in antisemitism I see no evidence of this, Jewish people in the UK seem happy enough to me.

They are not under any type of oppression or attack in the UK and if it wasn't for the UK and the allies they wouldn't be here any more.

Is saying that antisemitism !? That question to me is conversation.

The question to me is why do elected representatives of the british people make themselves beholden to the interests of jews and muslims.

England is a nation built on the values of christianity and later on secularism.

Neither of those concepts are remotely judaic or islamic.

If the uk continues to allow jews and muslims to decide what is acceptable behaviour in a nation which is not founded on those ideologies then it will cease to be the united kingdom and instead become what it is starting to look like.

An outpost for jewish and muslim extremists to continue fighting over the temple mount and the british people will be seen as a pain in the arse to both these groups of extremists and treated with further disdain.

I would repeat this statement in a court of law.

sparkplug 18-02-2019 08:10 PM

I always wondered why Thatcher got elected 3 times and Blair. Quite simply the opposition are/were crap.

Labour should have the maybot on the ropes by now, nothing but silence from Corbyn.

Him, Abbot and McDonnel need binning off and modern non communists need to run Labour if they ever want to get elected.

If ever a country needed a change of direction it's the UK.

mranderson 18-02-2019 08:20 PM

But of course nobody is willing to address the fact that both jewish and muslim extremists even exist in british politics when its plainly obvious they do.

To have those two groups essentially hijack the british political system.as a means of continuing their centuries.long dispute over the temple.mount is a disgrace.

Ask either of the two groups of religious bigots who they think will.dominate the world with their.religion and they.
both want the stick of truth to be theres and theres alone.

The interests of the british people are increasingly.playing second fiddle to a dispute over who owns the temple mount.

That is what it boils down to.

My great grandfather served in both ww1 and ww2 and my grandfather in ww2.

I can confidently say they did not put their.life on the line so the nation could be slowly given over to the middle eastern way of life.

There is a lot that could be done to reverse the current trend but you have to shake off the imposed guilt placed upon you by highly deceptive and manipulative extremists who beg for leniancy when in a minority and show none when in authority.

decim 18-02-2019 08:25 PM

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anthonyml 18-02-2019 10:17 PM

I haven't been on here for a long time but thought i'd get constructive, honest replies.

What i don't understand is:

The left (labour) supported by the mainstream view as the good guys, Supporters of Lgbtq but are anti-semitism .

The right, The bad guys, Hateful, evil nazi, (alex jones, Lauren southern, Tommy robinson ) racists, funded by Israel .

I really don't get it ?

iamawaveofthesea 18-02-2019 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by anthonyml (Post 1063059945)
I haven't been on here for a long time but thought i'd get constructive, honest replies.

What i don't understand is:

The left (labour) supported by the mainstream view as the good guys, Supporters of Lgbtq but are anti-semitism .

The right, The bad guys, Hateful, evil nazi, (alex jones, Lauren southern, Tommy robinson ) racists, funded by Israel .

I really don't get it ?

communism and zionism are both controlled at the top by the same people

Those people have been controlling both wings of the political system

The zionist wing of the conspiracy that pushes the right wing of the political system likes to weaponise the term 'anti-semitic'

TheArranger 18-02-2019 11:10 PM

the MEDIA are a big family... same imposed topic being addressed here in france like in probably all Westerner countries at the same time... it sure is no 'agenda' but mere chance...

the media really became the 'evil eye' you can just shut by switching off your devices but that keeps you thinking you'd better not to...

I think we got one chance left if we all do and it means switching off our computers and smartphones too... then I guess it will soon be too late because our media world already got much more addictive and malevolent than religion has ever been...

andy1033 18-02-2019 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sparkplug (Post 1063059939)
I always wondered why Thatcher got elected 3 times and Blair. Quite simply the opposition are/were crap.

I think you will find the biggest reason, is that when people get into power in democracies, they can use the gov to stay in power.

Its why in america, they knew this, and limited it to two terms.

Just look at how gordan brown, tried to hold onto power, when he lost in that election, he tried to hold onto power, but eventually had to accept the result.

When your in power in democracies, you will find, its far harder to get a person, or group out, then it is to hold onto power. This is because they can use teh gov resources in elections.

But i also agree there opposition were rubbish too, but the most important reason, was, is that in democracies, when you get power, its hard to get you out.

Its why in america, they limit it to two terms.

Look at things like gerrymandering, on how gov can shift peoples into areas, to dominate, and virtually deicde who will win in most areas.

Its how uk gov, holds onto northern ireland. Just gerrymandering, making sure they hold onto that area. The only reason uk gov held onto northern ireland all these years, was because of gerrymandering.

quadrati 20-02-2019 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by andy1033 (Post 1063059954)
I think you will find the biggest reason, is that when people get into power in democracies, they can use the gov to stay in power.

Its why in america, they knew this, and limited it to two terms.

Just look at how gordan brown, tried to hold onto power, when he lost in that election, he tried to hold onto power, but eventually had to accept the result.

When your in power in democracies, you will find, its far harder to get a person, or group out, then it is to hold onto power. This is because they can use teh gov resources in elections.

But i also agree there opposition were rubbish too, but the most important reason, was, is that in democracies, when you get power, its hard to get you out.

Its why in america, they limit it to two terms.

Look at things like gerrymandering, on how gov can shift peoples into areas, to dominate, and virtually deicde who will win in most areas.

Its how uk gov, holds onto northern ireland. Just gerrymandering, making sure they hold onto that area. The only reason uk gov held onto northern ireland all these years, was because of gerrymandering.

You make a good point. I'd considered gerrymandering a few years ago. I ended up dismissing it as a limited tactic.

If it was a means to maintain permanent control it has failed. Every time. And anyway, governments who usually stay in too long start becoming too controlling or too complacent in which they are chucked out anyway. Parties don't win elections. Governments lose them. There are enough so called swing voters in every constituency to counter gerrymandering.

Anyway. Surely there are enough people in the know, not including the opposition, to launch a legal case.

motleyhoo 21-02-2019 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TheArranger (Post 1063059953)
the MEDIA are a big family... same imposed topic being addressed here in france like in probably all Westerner countries at the same time... it sure is no 'agenda' but mere chance...

the media really became the 'evil eye' you can just shut by switching off your devices but that keeps you thinking you'd better not to...

I think we got one chance left if we all do and it means switching off our computers and smartphones too... then I guess it will soon be too late because our media world already got much more addictive and malevolent than religion has ever been...

You ever notice that there are never any negative news stories about the other corporations that the news media owns, like General Electric, etc. All these corporate news media owners have a relationship where they agree not to negatively report about each other's other holdings. If one of them did it would be like a house of cards of fraud falling down.

The other thing is, they all report the news now in the same way like they're all reading from the same script. They use the same words, same jokes, same everything.

I stopped watching TV news years ago. I have no social media accounts. I only use my cell phone to make an occasional call or text, and sometimes it even sits for days uncharged. When I go out in public now it's like I'm a character in Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Like, I am literally the only person not glued in a trance to a phone.

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iamawaveofthesea 21-02-2019 09:44 AM

Its looking at the moment like an anti-brexit coup but i'm interested to see how it plays out to see if there are any other elements to this

HAARPing_On 21-02-2019 11:45 AM

My take on this is classic Problem-Reaction-Solution... all orchestrated behind the scenes.

The Tories deliberately scuppering the Brexit negotiations to create choas and uncertainty - ramped up by the BBC and media in general.

Labour dogged by anti-semetism claims provoked and fuelled by the Zionist Jews and "Friends of Israel" lobbyists.

MP's on both sides throwing their hands up and claiming they can't work with the current political system - what are they going to do and where are they going to go?

Enter Tony Blair and his cronies with his radical new "Centrist Party" which promises to solve all the problems the Brexit rift has created and eventually give the country a second referendum - which will of course achieve the "right" result for the EU. Blair won't lead this party - but will pull the strings in the background to make this all happen and a leader will be chosen once enough MP's have left their respective parties, likely to start occurring after 29th March when the Brexit deadline is firmly missed.

The Lib Dems will be completely sidelined and UKIP have already been hijacked by right wing extremists to become a toxic vote, thereby dismantling any possible threats within the current electoral system.

Should be interesting to watch all this unfold...

TheArranger 21-02-2019 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by motleyhoo (Post 1063060224)
I stopped watching TV news years ago. I have no social media accounts. I only use my cell phone to make an occasional call or text, and sometimes it even sits for days uncharged. When I go out in public now it's like I'm a character in Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Like, I am literally the only person not glued in a trance to a phone.

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that's why I suggested the media be as much addictive as alcohol, it's only when you can't get your hand on a bottle or you got no connection that you really can do without... it's a bit tough in the first days but then what a relief to regain plain control and access to your inner world... I mean from the media... :|


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6OCbKVRXiw

sadly the latest HTML5 ‘digital bolt’ prevents me from watching the video so I can’t tell you at which moment it happens unless it’s been during for the whole speech, but I’s watching a sequence of it on TV with the sound muted last night and it’s almost scaring how Macron played inner ‘rage’ and his face was showing hatred I thought he’d get a stroke at one point… I sure didn’t listen to a single word of his speech but no doubt here’s what his play was over…

https://www.france24.com/en/20190220...mitism-illegal
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sparkplug 21-02-2019 08:56 PM

If the Lib Dems want to be relevant again (instead of merely Conservative yes men) then they should side with this new group of MPs.

iamawaveofthesea 21-02-2019 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sparkplug (Post 1063060350)
If the Lib Dems want to be relevant again (instead of merely Conservative yes men) then they should side with this new group of MPs.

i'm sure they will unite in revolt against brexit and against the will of the british people and their democratic referendum result

lewi 22-02-2019 03:51 PM

No By-Election's yet 11 vacancies arise in the House of Commons.
 
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greenhulk40 22-02-2019 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by madbomber (Post 1063059908)
Labour hasn't represented the working class for a long time. Thatcher did the main job of demolition but Blair was there to administer the coup de grace to the working class. I feel sorry for young people today. Huge student debt,, no chance of buying a home, zero hours contracts, toothless trades unions, endless wars, and an overbearing bureaucracy both at home and in Europe. Every bit of hard-won legislation that has favoured the working class since 1945 has been dismantled or is in the process of being sold off. It has been a betrayal on a grand scale.

People need to wake up when it comes to Labour, they are only there to control the poor and working class and keep them down in poverty and subservient, i grew up in Glasgow and it has always been Labour until SNP got in, the areas that were Labour controlled like the East End of Glasgow has a low life expectancy, high unemployment, poor housing and crime, Labour have done fuck all to help the working class , the majority of labour MPs are middle class, just Google Chuka Umunna not exactly working class , it's all bullshit and people actually believe Labour, they control the poor and the Tories control the rich, oh i forgot Labour MPs do not live in council houses and their children attend Private schools like Neil Kinnocks son children .

davebeard 22-02-2019 07:12 PM

who else thinks these MP's could be "intelligence assets" ...? pulling another anti brexit stunt.

iamawaveofthesea 22-02-2019 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by davebeard (Post 1063060427)
who else thinks these MP's could be "intelligence assets" ...? pulling another anti brexit stunt.

yeah the deadline is approaching so the system is finding new ways to derail brexit

monklink 22-02-2019 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by andy1033 (Post 1063059954)
I think you will find the biggest reason, is that when people get into power in democracies, they can use the gov to stay in power.

Its why in america, they knew this, and limited it to two terms.

Just look at how gordan brown, tried to hold onto power, when he lost in that election, he tried to hold onto power, but eventually had to accept the result.

When your in power in democracies, you will find, its far harder to get a person, or group out, then it is to hold onto power. This is because they can use teh gov resources in elections.

But i also agree there opposition were rubbish too, but the most important reason, was, is that in democracies, when you get power, its hard to get you out.

Its why in america, they limit it to two terms.

Look at things like gerrymandering, on how gov can shift peoples into areas, to dominate, and virtually deicde who will win in most areas.

Its how uk gov, holds onto northern ireland. Just gerrymandering, making sure they hold onto that area. The only reason uk gov held onto northern ireland all these years, was because of gerrymandering.

Apols for sounding patronising, but IMO your best post to-date.

They want us to believe it's just a coincidence that a DUP coalition forms just when the Irish/EU/UK border being rejigged.

iamawaveofthesea 22-02-2019 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by andy1033 (Post 1063059954)
Its how uk gov, holds onto northern ireland. Just gerrymandering, making sure they hold onto that area. The only reason uk gov held onto northern ireland all these years, was because of gerrymandering.

gerrymandering definately goes on but with northern island the orange order and the black lodge which is above it that takes aristocrats as its members are freemasonic and part of the freemasonic system

they moved a bunch of freemasons over to northern island, taking many of them from ayrshire in scotland

so are they supporting them only for their votes or because they are a branch of the freemasonic network?

motleyhoo 24-02-2019 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by greenhulk40 (Post 1063060416)
People need to wake up when it comes to Labour, they are only there to control the poor and working class and keep them down in poverty and subservient, i grew up in Glasgow and it has always been Labour until SNP got in, the areas that were Labour controlled like the East End of Glasgow has a low life expectancy, high unemployment, poor housing and crime, Labour have done fuck all to help the working class , the majority of labour MPs are middle class, just Google Chuka Umunna not exactly working class , it's all bullshit and people actually believe Labour, they control the poor and the Tories control the rich, oh i forgot Labour MPs do not live in council houses and their children attend Private schools like Neil Kinnocks son children .

This is true everywhere, not just in the UK. Any political party whose platform revolves around helping the poor, the children, the elderly, etc. has every incentive to make sure there is an increasing population of the very people they claim to want to help, because this is what keeps their power and influence growing.

Labour parties, Liberal parties, etc. are in the business of creating more and more poor people, sick people, and homeless people. Otherwise, we would not need them.

They need to get elected, so every election they're going to spout on and on about all the millions of sick, impoverished, and homeless that only their policies can help. In fact, it's their policies that created the problems in the first place.

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iamawaveofthesea 24-02-2019 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by greenhulk40 (Post 1063060416)
People need to wake up when it comes to Labour, they are only there to control the poor and working class and keep them down in poverty and subservient, i grew up in Glasgow and it has always been Labour until SNP got in, the areas that were Labour controlled like the East End of Glasgow has a low life expectancy, high unemployment, poor housing and crime, Labour have done fuck all to help the working class , the majority of labour MPs are middle class, just Google Chuka Umunna not exactly working class , it's all bullshit and people actually believe Labour, they control the poor and the Tories control the rich, oh i forgot Labour MPs do not live in council houses and their children attend Private schools like Neil Kinnocks son children .

The SNP are currently permitting the use of the north of scotland for rocket launches which will no doubt be the satellites that are going to be used to build the 5G SMART grid that is going to be used to control us all in a technotronic gulag

They have already made glasgow into a 'smart city' where they are tracking everyone with facial recognition software

The SNP are not working for the scottish people, they are working for the mega-corporations and their technocratic agenda

iamawaveofthesea 24-02-2019 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by motleyhoo (Post 1063060633)
Labour parties, Liberal parties, etc. are in the business of creating more and more poor people, sick people, and homeless people. Otherwise, we would not need them..

poor people don't worry about abstract notions like 'liberty' or 'rights' or 'freedom' or 'privacy' as they are too concerned with where their next meal is going to come from

Food bank use in scotland is on the rise under the SNP

If everyone is reduced to breadline poverty then the technocrats can then offer them a way out by saying ''here is universal basic income which you can use to improve your quality of life but in order to get the UBI you must accept this microchip into your hand because the UBI will come in digital currency form''

The more poor they can make everyone the more willing those people will be to aquiesce to handing over all of their rights and freedoms in order to eat and improve their lot

poverty is going to lead to dependency which becomes slavery because slavery is being the helpless victim of a dominating influence and that is what the technocracy will be

lewi 24-02-2019 04:01 PM

Labour will not change
 
Under Mr Corbyn nothing will change, food banks will remain as they have no policy to remove them, the bedroom tax will remain under Labour however SNP , have the power to remove bedroom tax in Scotland but have never done so. Labour will fight the people to get back into the EU. Labour will continue its immigration policy that had them removed from office. Labour will continue the war on the elderly and the slavery of the disabled, Universal Credit will continue under Labour, nothing will change except the mask will shift faces. All the former Labour supporters are still in the party dormant waiting in the wings, waiting to rise again like vampires at sunset.

iamawaveofthesea 24-02-2019 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by lewi (Post 1063060663)
Under Mr Corbyn nothing will change, food banks will remain as they have no policy to remove them, the bedroom tax will remain however SNP , have the power to remove bedroom tax in Scotland but have never done so. Labour would fight the people to get back into the EU. Labour will continue its immigration policy that had them removed from office. All the former Labour supporters are still in the party dormant waiting in the wings to rise again like vampires a sunset.

yeah corbyns regime seems to be pro-immigration and pro-EU so we would then see more of what the EU wants which would be: SMART meters, smart cities, greater integration into the EU (eg adoption of the euro and an EU army), MASS immigration through quotas, the breakdown of society, the overburdening of public services, increased tensions within society threatening to boil over into open conflict and of course a continuing increase in violent crimes

If Corbyn was genuinely going to try and break away from the corporate-fascists he would have to break free of their push for a technocracy (a merger of state and corporate power) and he'd have to halt their agenda of destroying nation states as that is really about creating a broken, divided and more malleable global population that can then be more easily fashioned into slaves of the technocracy

if a definition of 'slave' is to be a helpless victim of a dominating influence then the technocracy is the oligarchs ultimate expression of their control over the workers. Its a new global technotronic plantation for the workers

At the moment corbyn is looking very much like another expression of the corporate-fascist system

motleyhoo 25-02-2019 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea (Post 1063060649)
poor people don't worry about abstract notions like 'liberty' or 'rights' or 'freedom' or 'privacy' as they are too concerned with where their next meal is going to come from

Food bank use in scotland is on the rise under the SNP

If everyone is reduced to breadline poverty then the technocrats can then offer them a way out by saying ''here is universal basic income which you can use to improve your quality of life but in order to get the UBI you must accept this microchip into your hand because the UBI will come in digital currency form''

The more poor they can make everyone the more willing those people will be to aquiesce to handing over all of their rights and freedoms in order to eat and improve their lot

poverty is going to lead to dependency which becomes slavery because slavery is being the helpless victim of a dominating influence and that is what the technocracy will be

Yes, and all these poor and sick people they have created need to keep voting for them for fear of losing their govt benefits. This is one reason for the insane mass immigration/refugee policies. They know these people will all vote for the Leftists because the Leftists are going to bribe them with housing, food, health care, etc. So, the Leftists want to bring in millions of these people.

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iamawaveofthesea 25-02-2019 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by motleyhoo (Post 1063060749)
Yes, and all these poor and sick people they have created need to keep voting for them for fear of losing their govt benefits. This is one reason for the insane mass immigration/refugee policies. They know these people will all vote for the Leftists because the Leftists are going to bribe them with housing, food, health care, etc. So, the Leftists want to bring in millions of these people.

yes and they are flooding the job market with people when there is already high youth unemployment in many countries in the west and millions of jobs are going to be shed to automation

so we are going to see millions and millions of people then become dependent on state handouts and by this method they are able to achieve their authoritarian-socialist technocracy

motleyhoo 26-02-2019 04:03 AM

Yep. That seems like the plan to me. It's all based on govt dependency. All these idiots who think they have a right to free health care don't understand they'll actually be paying for it with their very souls.

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iamawaveofthesea 26-02-2019 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by motleyhoo (Post 1063060870)
Yep. That seems like the plan to me. It's all based on govt dependency. All these idiots who think they have a right to free health care don't understand they'll actually be paying for it with their very souls..

well lets say you give everyone free health care but lets say that the society you build in the process is one where people feel so much malaise that they embrace harmful activities as a consolation for a life they don't feel is vital

Lets say they drink too much, take too many drugs, get harmful drugs from their doctor to numb their anxiety or emotional pain or eat lots of junk food and smoke too much

Lets say also that depression has a kind of paralysing effect where a person gets into a downward spiral so not only do they do the things above but they also feel less motivated to get out into the world and be active and therefore they don't get much exercise

what is the result of this life that lacks vitality and breeds malaise?

The result is that health will decline and more and more people will then fall back on the free health care and that 'free' healthcare isn't free because it will have to be paid for by the taxpayer

It sure as hell won't be paid for by the super rich because they keep their money 'offshore' and out of the reach of the taxman so the people who will be taxed are the working people in the middle and as their wealth is destroyed the country will morph into a neo-fuedal society where there is only the super rich elites who control the powerful technology and the serfs who are dependent on the largesse of the fuedal class

The country will also become a two tier country where only the super rich will be able to afford the best of healthcare, education, transport, housing and so on and everyone else will be left with the dregs which will have been engineered to fail so that the peasant class never gains the vitality of mind, body or spirit that is required to lift itself out of the dirt

andy1033 26-02-2019 10:21 AM

I am surprised that netanyahu, and israel, is not boasting about this lol

If israelis cannot buy people, then they moan about anti semitism.

What a joke.

Even though i cannot stand uk political parties. When a party in a country does not bend over for the vile israeli gov trying to use them, they openly call them anti semites.

What a joke.

iamawaveofthesea 26-02-2019 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by andy1033 (Post 1063060885)
I am surprised that netanyahu, and israel, is not boasting about this lol

if we stand back from all of this we see that a number of things have happened recently

In france we see the jewish lobby putting pressure on macron to outlaw any questioning of zionist activities as 'anti-semitic'

In the UK we see the jewish leader of momentum, which is the power behind the corbyn throne, steering his own 'anti-semetism' witchhunt within the labour party to silence any dissent of zionist activities or any 'conspiracy theories' about jewish influence

meanwhile we have two al jazeera documentaries released that show that jewish influence does exist in both british and american politics

we see tom watson (who sings zionist songs to the jewish lobby with more gusto then he'd sing happy birthday to his own mother and who takes money from the jewish lobby) telling us that labour has an 'antisemitism problem' but what he really means is that there are labour activists who want to question zionist activities and who are questioning the role of jewish power in british politics (which we know exists from the al jazeera expose)

meanwhile we see trump allowing the jewish neocons to shape american foreign policy which at the moment is aimed at attacking venezuala which has freed itself from the neoliberal grip of the central banking fraternity and also attacking iran which does not have a rothschild central bank

the blairite labour breakaway faction also call for an end to 'anti-semitism' in the laboour party ie to silence any questioning of the role of jewish influence in british politics and in wider global affairs

So what we are seeing is jewish power asserting itself across the west through all of its lackeys and what it seems to be determined to do is silence any discussion about jewish power. it wants to criminalise it thereby removing any obstacles to its supremacy

So what i'd like jeremy corbyns supporters to do is explain to me how they can see no contradiction between the blairite faction who want to derail brexit and corbyns own position of supporting a second referendum while pushing for a customs union thereby detrailing brexit? C;early jewish power wants britain locked in the EU and the leave campaign was funded by goldman sachs!

clearly both sides in that supposed divide are seeking the same things:

-to derail brexit
-to crush and criminalise any questioning of jewish power

Clearly they are all in lockstep together so why do corbyn supporters think he's some kind of rebel? he is self-evidently NOT. he is dancing to the same tune as the blairite faction and macron and trumps neocons

motleyhoo 27-02-2019 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea (Post 1063060882)
well lets say you give everyone free health care but lets say that the society you build in the process is one where people feel so much malaise that they embrace harmful activities as a consolation for a life they don't feel is vital

Lets say they drink too much, take too many drugs, get harmful drugs from their doctor to numb their anxiety or emotional pain or eat lots of junk food and smoke too much

Lets say also that depression has a kind of paralysing effect where a person gets into a downward spiral so not only do they do the things above but they also feel less motivated to get out into the world and be active and therefore they don't get much exercise

what is the result of this life that lacks vitality and breeds malaise?

The result is that health will decline and more and more people will then fall back on the free health care and that 'free' healthcare isn't free because it will have to be paid for by the taxpayer

It sure as hell won't be paid for by the super rich because they keep their money 'offshore' and out of the reach of the taxman so the people who will be taxed are the working people in the middle and as their wealth is destroyed the country will morph into a neo-fuedal society where there is only the super rich elites who control the powerful technology and the serfs who are dependent on the largesse of the fuedal class

The country will also become a two tier country where only the super rich will be able to afford the best of healthcare, education, transport, housing and so on and everyone else will be left with the dregs which will have been engineered to fail so that the peasant class never gains the vitality of mind, body or spirit that is required to lift itself out of the dirt

That's exactly what "govt assistance" causes. People have lost the idea of responsibility and accountability. Everyone is now a victim of society. It's not your fault you never did any homework in school and can't get a job. It's not your fault you ate yourself into a size XXXL case of diabetes and heart disease. You're a victim of society, all those other people over there, they did it to you. Vote for me and I'll fix it.

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noncooperation 27-02-2019 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by lewi (Post 1063059893)
I do not understand the so called rise in antisemitism I see no evidence of this, Jewish people in the UK seem happy enough to me.

They are not under any type of oppression or attack in the UK and if it wasn't for the UK and the allies they wouldn't be here any more.

Is saying that antisemitism !? That question to me is conversation.

All the pieces have to be seen as part of a huge internationally chess game - normally not understood seperately; they don't make sense.

surfer12 27-02-2019 10:29 PM

Tony Blair backs the Independent Group as he says 'truly mind-boggling' Labour has been taken by populists:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8796576.html


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