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fairyprincess 29-12-2016 11:23 PM

Sodom and gommorah.
 
People think that sodom and gommorah is an acceptible moral fable. But, it is crawling with inconsistencies.

God had a problem with the citizens of sodom an Gomorrah. Because they where wicked. But no where in the story does it explain how they are 'wicked'.

Its very easy to say its because they are sodomites. Thats to say practiced anal sex. But, we get the that meaning for 'sodomite' because that the biblical interpretation. No where in the story is definition explained!

Also, people prefer to assume that sodomy equals homosexuality. But nowhere in the story does it make a distinction between straight sodamy, and gay sodamy.

Wouldn't it make sense that sodamites where both straight and gay? Afterall, god made no distinction between male and femake. Smiting everyone equally.

God choose one man, Lot, and his family as example of morality. And he sends two angels down.

Having heard this, a gang of sodomites arrive at lots house looking to 'know' his guests. Thats 'know' in the biblical sense. Meaning, in this case, sodamy.

So lot, gods moral champion, turns round and says... 'Do not do so to my guests. I have two daughters, who have never known a man. Do so to them.

So thats the most moral man in sodam..... Advocating the rape of his own virgin daughters.

Anyway. God smote the city. Killing all but Lot's family. Save for lots wife, who gets turned into a pillar of salt. For having the empathy to turn and see the destruction of her neighbours.

Lot and his daughters, then went in to a cave. Is daughters the proceed to get their father drunk. Both taking it in turns to have incestous sex with him.

The book of Leviticus has meny rules. Including rules that are both equally against sodomy and incest. Why did an 'all-powerful' god puinish the sodamites, but not punish lot or is daughters once they had had incestous sex.

That alone makes the morality of the take dubious.....

fitpass777 30-12-2016 01:20 AM

I agree, this story is full of holes (no pun intended)

brambles 30-12-2016 01:26 PM

What a stupid and bizarre story. I admit I may have read it a few times but obviously didn't take it all in (lol). Anyway it explains so much about the backwards state of society, sounds to me like Jehovah rather than any true god.

grandmasterp 30-12-2016 01:38 PM

Genesis 19:5... ( words in brackets mine)
"And they ( lads in Sodom) called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know (shag) them."

Some dudes I know would consider that to be a party invitation.
:lol:

kaito9 30-12-2016 01:49 PM

Cuz the god was an alien who wanted to keep humans ignorant, he nuked sodom and gommorah cuz they were centers of knowledge. Sodom and gommorah were probably atlantis and lemuria.

reverendjim 30-12-2016 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by fairyprincess (Post 1062860536)
People think that sodom and gommorah is an acceptible moral fable. But, it is crawling with inconsistencies.

God had a problem with the citizens of sodom an Gomorrah. Because they where wicked. But no where in the story does it explain how they are 'wicked'.

Its very easy to say its because they are sodomites. Thats to say practiced anal sex. But, we get the that meaning for 'sodomite' because that the biblical interpretation. No where in the story is definition explained!

Also, people prefer to assume that sodomy equals homosexuality. But nowhere in the story does it make a distinction between straight sodamy, and gay sodamy.

Wouldn't it make sense that sodamites where both straight and gay? Afterall, god made no distinction between male and femake. Smiting everyone equally.

God choose one man, Lot, and his family as example of morality. And he sends two angels down.

Having heard this, a gang of sodomites arrive at lots house looking to 'know' his guests. Thats 'know' in the biblical sense. Meaning, in this case, sodamy.

So lot, gods moral champion, turns round and says... 'Do not do so to my guests. I have two daughters, who have never known a man. Do so to them.

So thats the most moral man in sodam..... Advocating the rape of his own virgin daughters.

Anyway. God smote the city. Killing all but Lot's family. Save for lots wife, who gets turned into a pillar of salt. For having the empathy to turn and see the destruction of her neighbours.

Lot and his daughters, then went in to a cave. Is daughters the proceed to get their father drunk. Both taking it in turns to have incestous sex with him.

The book of Leviticus has meny rules. Including rules that are both equally against sodomy and incest. Why did an 'all-powerful' god puinish the sodamites, but not punish lot or is daughters once they had had incestous sex.

That alone makes the morality of the take dubious.....

but dont you know? you must read it with faith. then you'll understand the dubious morallity of the lord and submit your will to him :rolleyes:

iamawaveofthesea 30-12-2016 02:00 PM

Is it real or is it an allegory for something else?

The holy bible is the helios biblios: the book of the sun. It is the story of the sun.

So when it tells the story of the solar deity jesus dying and resurrecting it is talking about the sun rising each day. It wasn't a man that walked on water, it was the rays of the sun

The bible mirrors itself with the old and new testement but perhaps the new testement is the sun during the day and the old testament is the sun during the night and the various trials and tribulations of the sun in the underworld

Some stories may even be personifications of celestial occurances told as stories that act as memory aids to those in the know but as blinds to the non initiated

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=...b89da8.jpg&f=1

logos880 30-12-2016 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by fairyprincess (Post 1062860536)
People think that sodom and gommorah is an acceptible moral fable. But, it is crawling with inconsistencies.

God had a problem with the citizens of sodom an Gomorrah. Because they where wicked. But no where in the story does it explain how they are 'wicked'.

Its very easy to say its because they are sodomites. Thats to say practiced anal sex. But, we get the that meaning for 'sodomite' because that the biblical interpretation. No where in the story is definition explained!

Also, people prefer to assume that sodomy equals homosexuality. But nowhere in the story does it make a distinction between straight sodamy, and gay sodamy.

Wouldn't it make sense that sodamites where both straight and gay? Afterall, god made no distinction between male and femake. Smiting everyone equally.

to begin with, it's important to understand that there was no concept of sexual orientation at the time of this story, so words like "gay" or "straight" have no bearing in the context of this story.

there is an occult reason, belief as to the true motivation of the sodomites desire to "know" the angels.

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Originally Posted by The Homoerotics of Orientalism By Joseph A. Boone
...the myth recounting the combat between Horus and Set to assume Osiris's throne upon the latter's death. The combat takes on a decidedly sexual tone, with sodomy forming a crucial determinant of it's outcome, in both surviving papyrus version of the myth. In the longer version, known as the "Contendings of Horus and Set" (dating from the Twentieth Dynasty circa 1160 B.C.), Set plots a trap for his nephew Horus by inviting the latter to "spend a pleasant hour" with him. Horus responds "with pleasure", evening comes, a bed is spread, and the two lie down together. The epithet generally accompanying Set's name, "great in virility", seems about to prove it's merit as Set grows erect and initiates sex with his bedmate: "Set caused his phallus to become stiff and inserted it between Horus's thighs." Horus, however, slips his hand between his buttocks and covertly receives Set's semen in his palm rather than anus. The next day, when Isis (Horus's mother and Osiris's widow) learns of Set's attempt to penetrate her son, she crafts her revenge by helping Horus to ejaculate and then spreading his sperm on Set's favorite food, lettuce (considered an aphrodisiac), so that Set unwittingly becomes "pregnant with the semen of Horus" when he eats his greens. Thus, when Set boasts he has proven his superiority over Horus (and hence right to the throne) by "perform[ing] the labor of a male" on him, Isis counters by asking the Gods to summon both men's semen. Horus's is inside Set, and not the reverse, causing the shame of submission to shift to Set. The older, shorter version of the myth (dating from the Twelfth Dynasty circa 2000 B.C.) is similar, except that it is Isis who instructs Horus, after an initial attempt by Set to seduce him, how covertly to position his hand between his buttocks so that "Set will enjoy it exceedingly" without realizing that he is not actually penetrating Horus.

Sodomy, in this mythic combat, is clearly about aggression and power: he who penetrates dominates.

https://books.google.com/books?id=N3...sodomy&f=false

this is what is at work in the story of sodom and gomorrah, the sodomites intended to dominate and steal the power of the angels.

a bit more on this:

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Originally Posted by Killing God to Become God: David Bowie, Stanley Kubrick, Arthur C. Clarke, and Hillary Clinton’s emails decoded

The mention in the “Spirit Cooking” ritual of “Earthquake Nights” is in relation to the belief that sodomy can cause earthquakes, particularly when committed against a child who has been especially conceived through ritual to be an incarnation of a god. Remember that the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (by earthquake and volcano) was precipitated by the inhabitants attempting to sodomize the angels that visited Abraham. Pompeii and Herculaneum were also destroyed, and the inhabitants were also notorious sodomites. (Note: Yesterday, Nov. 5, just as this article was being posted, the Daily Mail reported on a priest in Italy who claimed that the recent earthquakes in that country were divine punishment for state sanctioning of gay marriage last month, with vigorous denials from the Vatican, of course.)

The concept has to do with the destruction of the Fundament, the lowermost chakra, corresponding to the lower-most sphere on the Tree of Life. When the Fundament is damaged, the Earth prolapses, and, if the damage is extensive enough, the pillars that hold up the ceiling collapse. The realm above meets with the realm below. Sky and Earth (Anu and Ki, or Ouranos and Gaia) having been separated by God to allow creation to take place, are now brought together again, and the “Chemical Wedding” annihilates them both.

http://tracytwyman.com/killing-god-t...mails-decoded/

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Originally Posted by fairyprincess (Post 1062860536)
God choose one man, Lot, and his family as example of morality. And he sends two angels down.

Having heard this, a gang of sodomites arrive at lots house looking to 'know' his guests. Thats 'know' in the biblical sense. Meaning, in this case, sodamy.

So lot, gods moral champion, turns round and says... 'Do not do so to my guests. I have two daughters, who have never known a man. Do so to them.

So thats the most moral man in sodam..... Advocating the rape of his own virgin daughters.

it technically wouldn't have been rape since it was consented to, and it was customary at that time for a father to decide who married his daughter. this was lot giving the sodomites a way out of their impending destruction, knowing they would ultimately refuse and seal their own fate.

fairyprincess 30-12-2016 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by logos880 (Post 1062860993)
to begin with, it's important to understand that there was no concept of sexual orientation at the time of this story, so words like "gay" or "straight" have no bearing in the context of this story.

there is an occult reason, belief as to the true motivation of the sodomites desire to "know" the angels.



https://books.google.com/books?id=N3...sodomy&f=false

this is what is at work in the story of sodom and gomorrah, the sodomites intended to dominate and steal the power of the angels.

a bit more on this:



http://tracytwyman.com/killing-god-t...mails-decoded/



it technically wouldn't have been rape since it was consented to, and it was customary at that time for a father to decide who married his daughter. this was lot giving the sodomites a way out of their impending destruction, knowing they would ultimately refuse and seal their own fate.

Is forcing a woman to marry a man she might not love or be attracted too any better?

I suspect there are some feminists who would aruge that thats an another form of rape....

logos880 30-12-2016 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fairyprincess (Post 1062860995)
Is forcing a woman to marry a man she might not love or be attracted too any better?

I suspect there are some feminists who would aruge that thats an another form of rape....

did that actually happen in this story?

fairyprincess 30-12-2016 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by logos880 (Post 1062860996)
did that actually happen in this story?

No it didnt not. Theres no evidence for the 'arranged marriage' theory either way.

The fact that the sodamites show up mob handed, casts doubt on that.

logos880 30-12-2016 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fairyprincess (Post 1062860999)
No it didnt not. Theres no evidence for the 'arranged marriage' theory either way.

The fact that the sodamites show up mob handed, casts doubt on that.

arranged marriage is not condemned in the bible and there are a few arranged marriages in the bible, specifically isaac and rebekah. either way, lot's actions do not justify those of the sodomites.

fitpass777 30-12-2016 07:12 PM

The bottom line is that no one knows if this story is true or not and never will. Arguing about it is rather, silly.

fairyprincess 30-12-2016 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by logos880 (Post 1062861002)
arranged marriage is not condemned in the bible and there are a few arranged marriages in the bible, specifically isaac and rebekah. either way, lot's actions do not justify those of the sodomites.

Whos justifying the sodomites morals? In my opinion everyone, except for poor lots wife, is morally dubious.

The point is, that real people in the real world are using a morally flawed story to judge others and justify their own moral actions.

But with a clear understaning of the story, its obvious that this stoy does not stack up morally....

reverendjim 30-12-2016 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fairyprincess (Post 1062861014)
Whos justifying the sodomites morals? In my opinion everyone, except for poor lots wife, is morally dubious.

The point is, that real people in the real world are using a morally flawed story to judge others and justify their own moral actions.

But with a clear understaning of the story, its obvious that this stoy does not stack up morally....

you may have noticed that the religious never go for a clear understanding. if they did, they wouldn't be religious.

thoreau 30-12-2016 09:01 PM

We have nothing but the bible to go on as far as sodom and gommorah are concerned. A bible rewritten/translated over time with emphasis and understanding put on things that were perhaps not all that important if and when it happened.

That people are willing to demonise other human beings because of some stories in a book is ridiculous - particularly when more often than not things are cherry picked in order to confirm bias.

chunky 31-12-2016 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by logos880 (Post 1062860993)
it technically wouldn't have been rape since it was consented to, and it was customary at that time for a father to decide who married his daughter. this was lot giving the sodomites a way out of their impending destruction, knowing they would ultimately refuse and seal their own fate.

Please feel free to post where the daughters consented to it...

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Originally Posted by logos880 (Post 1062860996)
did that actually happen in this story?

I was going to post a gif but I'm afraid my irony meter just exploded...

chunky 31-12-2016 10:40 AM

Anyway, my favourite part of the story is where lot's daughters get lot drunk and date-rape him.

I do love a story with a happy ending.

Moral of this story, sodomy is wrong but incest and date-rape (as well as offering your virgin daughters to the mob) is perfectly acceptable.

And then they (Christians) have the nerve to talk about morality:lol:

iamawaveofthesea 31-12-2016 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by fairyprincess (Post 1062861014)
Whos justifying the sodomites morals? In my opinion everyone, except for poor lots wife, is morally dubious.

does she bare no responsibility for the company she keeps?

fairyprincess 31-12-2016 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea (Post 1062861361)
does she bare no responsibility for the company she keeps?

What company? All she did was turn round and look at the devistation.

Are you saying that empathy should only be deployed for the vituous?


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