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davros of skaro 28-01-2014 11:57 PM

Excavating The Empty Tomb
 
Excavating The Empty Tomb

A very well made, and put together series on the Resurrection by Youtuber "TruthSurge."

Very informative, and thought provoking, so give it some of your time.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1D58C69D194384D2

davros of skaro 10-02-2014 08:38 PM

Here is another video series by "TruthSurge."


Jesus: Hebrew Human or Mythical Messiah


https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...A3872E8F6B9A8E

christuffer 15-02-2014 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by davros of skaro (Post 1061987391)


Jesus: Hebrew Human or Mythical Messiah



Mythical Messiah.

megahertz 15-02-2014 11:38 PM

If it is so interesting where are your comments on the series? Surely somethings appealed to you more than others.

The vid sure focuses on Mark and he promotes it as the earliest as being no earlier than 70AD. Luke:21:12-24 is about the Apostles and their time from the sermon until 70AD. Is the author now going to claim that prophecy is now written in hindsight. Oh, he forgot to take that into consideration.

The Gospel of John was written by the the Beloved Disciple as none of the Apostles was at the cross and only Peter was at the tomb the next morning.

Matthew, Mark, and Luke all cover two events that was witnessed by only 3 Apostles yet the 'authors remain unknown', no they are known but we have to figure out which Apostle wrote which of the 3 Gospels. The Gospel is mentioned many times in Acts so why is the vid promoting that they didn't exist by the time Saul experienced his conversion?

Part 5 and Mark being a complete work of fiction is only promoted because Mark is promoted as the earliest and all 3 other books must also then be fiction.

In short, so far it is a hit-piece rather than an honest attempt at understanding anything new as he starts off accepting an unproven statement about when the Gospels first appeared and in the fiction section (5) he is assuming some Gentiles knew all about the OT in that they could mesh the NT to include all the various references when the Hebrew OT was not available to any Gentile and even the Jews themselves had an error filled understanding of the OT, or that some Jews knew all about Gentile history so a new book could be written (for Jews) that was based on Gentile literature. Neither of those events is anything but fiction.

Skip ahead here to the feeding of the 5,000 'men' the people that came from the cities were 5,000 men and women and children above that. 5,000 men could be counted as they would have been the ones that were given the food and they would have given it to the rest of their family members that were there.

M't:14:21:
And they that had eaten were about five thousand men,
beside women and children.

davros of skaro 17-02-2014 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by megahertz (Post 1061994530)
If it is so interesting where are your comments on the series? Surely somethings appealed to you more than others.

The series speaks for it's self, and I have received positive feedback when posted in other venues.


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Originally Posted by megahertz (Post 1061994530)
The vid sure focuses on Mark and he promotes it as the earliest as being no earlier than 70AD. Luke:21:12-24 is about the Apostles and their time from the sermon until 70AD. Is the author now going to claim that prophecy is now written in hindsight. Oh, he forgot to take that into consideration..

That's what textual scrutiny by scholars show, and how's that OT prophecy about the city of Tyre never being found again doing?DOH!


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Originally Posted by megahertz (Post 1061994530)
The Gospel of John was written by the the Beloved Disciple as none of the Apostles was at the cross and only Peter was at the tomb the next morning.

That's what you are lead to believe.


Quote:

Originally Posted by megahertz (Post 1061994530)
Matthew, Mark, and Luke all cover two events that was witnessed by only 3 Apostles yet the 'authors remain unknown', no they are known but we have to figure out which Apostle wrote which of the 3 Gospels. The Gospel is mentioned many times in Acts so why is the vid promoting that they didn't exist by the time Saul experienced his conversion?

None of the Gospels are written by any of the apostles, and the book of Acts has problems as being pseudographica.



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Originally Posted by megahertz (Post 1061994530)
Part 5 and Mark being a complete work of fiction is only promoted because Mark is promoted as the earliest and all 3 other books must also then be fiction.

That's right, you do believe fiction.


Quote:

Originally Posted by megahertz (Post 1061994530)
In short, so far it is a hit-piece rather than an honest attempt at understanding anything new as he starts off accepting an unproven statement about when the Gospels first appeared and in the fiction section (5) he is assuming some Gentiles knew all about the OT in that they could mesh the NT to include all the various references when the Hebrew OT was not available to any Gentile and even the Jews themselves had an error filled understanding of the OT, or that some Jews knew all about Gentile history so a new book could be written (for Jews) that was based on Gentile literature. Neither of those events is anything but fiction.

Do you presuppositionalist often?


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Originally Posted by megahertz (Post 1061994530)
Skip ahead here to the feeding of the 5,000 'men' the people that came from the cities were 5,000 men and women and children above that. 5,000 men could be counted as they would have been the ones that were given the food and they would have given it to the rest of their family members that were there.

M't:14:21:
And they that had eaten were about five thousand men,
beside women and children.

Mark 6:44

Now those that have eaten the Loaves were about five thousand men.


It's funny that even after this his disciples act like this event never happened when the character of Jesus does other things.This is typical of fictional characters made to fit a story line.

davros of skaro 17-02-2014 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by christuffer (Post 1061994351)
Mythical Messiah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiV5oeKMV2w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itEp8G-3-Q4

megahertz 17-02-2014 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by davros of skaro (Post 1061996382)
The series speaks for it's self, and I have received positive feedback when posted in other venues.

Meaning what other than you haven't come across many believers or any believers that have read the Bible quite often?

Quote:

Originally Posted by davros of skaro (Post 1061996382)
That's what textual scrutiny by scholars show, and how's that OT prophecy about the city of Tyre never being found again doing?DOH!

Unless they were there for the events they are speculating and depending when the views came out they are corrupt if it was after the Bible was translated into Latin.

Quote:

Originally Posted by davros of skaro (Post 1061996382)
That's what you are lead to believe.

No because that is what the Bible says, something you have to ignore to have any faith in the vid. It would also explain why the ending of Mark is in a 'language style' that is different. That is because it was written by James or his brother John and it was their mother's words that let them know what happen at the cross and the tomb.

Lu:24:9-10:
And returned from the sepulchre,
and told all these things unto the eleven,
and to all the rest.
It was Mary Magdalene,
and Joanna,
and Mary the mother of James,
and other women that were with them,
which told these things unto the apostles.

Quote:

Originally Posted by davros of skaro (Post 1061996382)
None of the Gospels are written by any of the apostles, and the book of Acts has problems as being pseudographica.

You have to be kidding me. Two events that are only seen by 3 Apostles that only appear om Matthew, Mark and Luke yet you can't conceive that those same 3 wrote about the events.
Did you notice that Matthew and Mark skip from the end of the 40 day fast until John is in prison while the Gospel of John (the Baptist) covers many events between the end of the fast and when Jesus began to preach the same Gospel as John was.

Joh:3:24:
For John was not yet cast into prison.

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Originally Posted by davros of skaro (Post 1061996382)
That's right, you do believe fiction.

The fiction you believe in is the vid you posted, one that has many errors in it so it is you who believes in something that is not supported by the Bible.

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Originally Posted by davros of skaro (Post 1061996382)
Do you presuppositionalist often?

No I review the theory you like and then compare it to the actual text, then I believe what the text says ove imiginations like the vid you posted and fully support.

Quote:

Originally Posted by davros of skaro (Post 1061996382)
Mark 6:44

Now those that have eaten the Loaves were about five thousand men.

M't:14:21:
And they that had eaten were about five thousand men,
beside women and children.

Quote:

Originally Posted by davros of skaro (Post 1061996382)
It's funny that even after this his disciples act like this event never happened when the character of Jesus does other things.This is typical of fictional characters made to fit a story line.

Not really, the Beloved Disciple was there from beginning to the end and her rendition is a 'summary' rather than a complete retelling of all that was done by Jesus.

Joh:1:35-37:
Again the next day after John stood,
and two of his disciples;

And looking upon Jesus as he walked,
he saith,
Behold the Lamb of God!
And the two disciples heard him speak,
and they followed Jesus.


Joh:21:24-25:
This is the disciple which testifieth of these things,
and wrote these things:
and we know that his testimony is true.
And there are also many other things which Jesus did,
the which,
if they should be written every one,
I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

davros of skaro 21-02-2014 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by megahertz (Post 1061997060)
Meaning what other than you haven't come across many believers or any believers that have read the Bible quite often?


Unless they were there for the events they are speculating and depending when the views came out they are corrupt if it was after the Bible was translated into Latin.


No because that is what the Bible says, something you have to ignore to have any faith in the vid. It would also explain why the ending of Mark is in a 'language style' that is different. That is because it was written by James or his brother John and it was their mother's words that let them know what happen at the cross and the tomb.

Lu:24:9-10:
And returned from the sepulchre,
and told all these things unto the eleven,
and to all the rest.
It was Mary Magdalene,
and Joanna,
and Mary the mother of James,
and other women that were with them,
which told these things unto the apostles.


You have to be kidding me. Two events that are only seen by 3 Apostles that only appear om Matthew, Mark and Luke yet you can't conceive that those same 3 wrote about the events.
Did you notice that Matthew and Mark skip from the end of the 40 day fast until John is in prison while the Gospel of John (the Baptist) covers many events between the end of the fast and when Jesus began to preach the same Gospel as John was.

Joh:3:24:
For John was not yet cast into prison.


The fiction you believe in is the vid you posted, one that has many errors in it so it is you who believes in something that is not supported by the Bible.


No I review the theory you like and then compare it to the actual text, then I believe what the text says ove imiginations like the vid you posted and fully support.


M't:14:21:
And they that had eaten were about five thousand men,
beside women and children.


Not really, the Beloved Disciple was there from beginning to the end and her rendition is a 'summary' rather than a complete retelling of all that was done by Jesus.

Joh:1:35-37:
Again the next day after John stood,
and two of his disciples;

And looking upon Jesus as he walked,
he saith,
Behold the Lamb of God!
And the two disciples heard him speak,
and they followed Jesus.


Joh:21:24-25:
This is the disciple which testifieth of these things,
and wrote these things:
and we know that his testimony is true.
And there are also many other things which Jesus did,
the which,
if they should be written every one,
I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.


Sigh.........


Bart Ehrman: The Gospels Were Not Written by Eyewitnesses


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4GgKKSPQaM

bikerdruid 21-02-2014 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by davros of skaro (Post 1061996382)
That's what you are lead to believe.

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Originally Posted by megahertz (Post 1061997060)
No because that is what the Bible says

wow ..

davros of skaro 21-02-2014 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bikerdruid (Post 1062001635)
wow ..

This is why I am anti-Theist.




The Bible is about believing, and offers nothing about medical science.Believers should pray when a Demon afflicts them, and not see a Doctor.Believers should let God Rature them when he sends a Hurricane instead of running for shelter.The power of belief, and prayer would make this
a much better world, if all believers followed it to the letter.



Acts 28:3-6


3 Paul gathered a pile of brushwood and, as he put it on the fire, a viper, driven out by the heat, fastened itself on his hand. 4 When the islanders saw the snake hanging from his hand, they said to each other, “This man must be a murderer; for though he escaped from the sea, the goddess Justice has not allowed him to live.” 5 But Paul shook the snake off into the fire and suffered no ill effects. 6 The people expected him to swell up or suddenly fall dead; but after waiting a long time and seeing nothing unusual happen to him, they changed their minds and said he was a god.


Matthew 10:5-8


5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.


Matthew 17:14-20


14 When they came to the crowd, a man approached Jesus and knelt before him. 15 “Lord, have mercy on my son,” he said. “He has seizures and is suffering greatly. He often falls into the fire or into the water. 16 I brought him to your disciples, but they could not heal him.”

17 “You unbelieving and perverse generation,” Jesus replied, “how long shall I stay with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring the boy here to me.” 18 Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy, and he was healed at that moment.

19 Then the disciples came to Jesus in private and asked, “Why couldn’t we drive it out?”20 He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”


Break down of the "Sermon on the Mount."

http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.p...n_on_the_Mount

megahertz 21-02-2014 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bikerdruid (Post 1062001635)
wow ..

lol, too lazy to even verify what is said before you put your foot in your mouth. Priceless.

Lu:24:10:
It was Mary Magdalene,
and Joanna,
and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them,
which told these things unto the apostles.

megahertz 21-02-2014 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davros of skaro (Post 1062001643)
This is why I am anti-Theist.


The Bible is about believing, and offers nothing about medical science.Believers should pray when a Demon afflicts them, and not see a Doctor.Believers should let God Rature them when he sends a Hurricane instead of running for shelter.The power of belief, and prayer would make this
a much better world, if all believers followed it to the letter.


Break down of the "Sermon on the Mount."

http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.p...n_on_the_Mount

God is probably pleased with your decision.

Rapture???, if you believe that is promoted in the Bible you are more deluded that the believers who have swallowed that fable.

The sermon you mention is only found in Matthew:24, Mark:13 and Luke:21, your reference doesn't mention them once.

monay 21-02-2014 05:35 PM

excavatng the empty tomb
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by davros of skaro (Post 1061965396)
Excavating The Empty Tomb

A very well made, and put together series on the Resurrection by Youtuber "TruthSurge."

Very informative, and thought provoking, so give it some of your time.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1D58C69D194384D2

davos of skaro,

I have not listened to all of them. I only got 13B. I think that the study is very clear and insightful.

The Bible has been tampered with more than once. Many of the stories were the urban legends of the Roman Empire.

davros of skaro 22-02-2014 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by megahertz (Post 1062002223)
God is probably pleased with your decision.

The sermon you mention is only found in Matthew:24, Mark:13 and Luke:21, your reference doesn't mention them once.

It was put together by Matt Dillahunty, so cry to him.

davros of skaro 22-02-2014 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monay (Post 1062002228)
davos of skaro,

I have not listened to all of them. I only got 13B. I think that the study is very clear and insightful.

Cool.I am glad you are enjoying it.Consider bookmarking it incase you come across others that might be into it.Thanks.



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Originally Posted by monay (Post 1062002228)
The Bible has been tampered with more than once. Many of the stories were the urban legends of the Roman Empire.

No doubt.

Just look at the mythos of Romulus.Born of a Vestal Virgin who was fathered by a God.His body went missing, then returned in God like fashion to a traveler.This is just one example of many.

Here are some books if anyone is interested?

I suggest Gospel Fictions if I had to choose one.


http://www.amazon.com/Bible-Unearthe...ed+finkelstein


http://www.amazon.com/Gospel-Fiction...ospel+fictions


http://www.amazon.com/Nailed-Christi...eywords=nailed


http://www.amazon.com/Proving-Histor...ichard+carrier


http://www.amazon.com/Case-Against-C...against+christ


http://www.amazon.com/God-Delusion-R...e+god+delusion

monay 22-02-2014 08:55 PM

Paul
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by davros of skaro (Post 1061987391)
Here is another video series by "TruthSurge."


Jesus: Hebrew Human or Mythical Messiah


https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...A3872E8F6B9A8E

davros of skaro,

There is a solid contrast between the writings of the early Christians and those that used the Gospels. That is a very confusing world view change.

Semantics are like that. The propaganda continues to this day.

This is a very concise collection.

bikerdruid 22-02-2014 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by megahertz (Post 1062002217)
lol, too lazy to even verify what is said before you put your foot in your mouth. Priceless.

Lu:24:10:
It was Mary Magdalene,
and Joanna,
and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them,
which told these things unto the apostles.

ya ... :rolleyes:

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.6080...36593&pid=15.1

megahertz 23-02-2014 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by davros of skaro (Post 1062002912)
It was put together by Matt Dillahunty, so cry to him.

Who's crying, what you are referencing is not the sermon on the mount, just thought you should know that.

davros of skaro 24-02-2014 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by megahertz (Post 1062003852)
Who's crying, what you are referencing is not the sermon on the mount, just thought you should know that.

You do not know your own dogma, and you expect others to believe in this garbage?

What you refered to previously is a private discussion to Jesus's disciples on the Mt. of Olives.

Matt Dillahunty knows what he is talking about.He was studying to be a Priest, untill logic, and reason hit him.

The Sermon on the Mount starts off with the "Beatitudes", does it not?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5-7

Matthew 5-7
New International Version (NIV)

Introduction to the Sermon on the Mount

5 Now when Jesus saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, 2 and he began to teach them.

The Beatitudes He said:

3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

davros of skaro 24-02-2014 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monay (Post 1062003596)
davros of skaro,

There is a solid contrast between the writings of the early Christians and those that used the Gospels. That is a very confusing world view change.

Semantics are like that. The propaganda continues to this day.

This is a very concise collection.

Yes.

Only 7 out of the 13 letters attributed to Paul are not considered pseudographical.

Granted he was writting to a Church, but in the letters are obvious redactions ripped from the very pages of the later Gospels.

Here is a playlist with some fringe elements if you are interested when you are done with the others?

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...NjFY4ltVlf5m1B


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