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cosmicpurpose1.618 12-09-2016 06:49 AM

Is Love Really all we need?
 
'All you need is love'


'Don't worry about a thing, cause everything's gonna be alright'

Do you agree with these statements, or are they just lulling us further to lethargic, apathetic, sleep?

decim 12-09-2016 07:49 AM

It is the foundation.

andy1033 12-09-2016 08:38 AM

Glad i never wanted it.

So thats my answer.

pigscanfly 12-09-2016 09:24 AM

According to Maslow's hierarchy of needs, we first have physiological needs including food, water, air, shelter and then safety needs which need to be fulfilled before we reach our need to be loved and belong. According to Maslow, if the first 2 (more basic) levels are not met first, we cannot proceed to having our need for love and belonging fulfilled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow...ological_needs

I agree with these sentiments and, therefore, I don't agree that love is all we need.

thehiddenroom6669 12-09-2016 09:42 AM

Yeah it is all you need
 
a roof is helpful so is a drink and a snack someone nice to talk with a bonus , i do have daily irritations to deal with like this bra i got on is too tight really and i really would like to yanki it off and flingi it across the room but apart from this lately i get a very lovely warm floaty warm feeling and i feel quite excited about it because i don't know where it has come from or why i have it.

thehiddenroom6669 12-09-2016 09:47 AM

Thats one theory
 
and going by that on the pyramid i believe i hover in between beauty and scenery and spiritual enlightenment, changes daily.

thehiddenroom6669 12-09-2016 09:49 AM

Ps Sending you Andy some
 
fluffy rabbits

Rogue 12-09-2016 09:53 AM

No.

I like the 6 heart virtues of the Wingmakers

Everyone who cares for humanity and the planet i feel would do well to 'practise' this daily.

Appreciation
Compassion
Forgiveness
Humility
Understanding
Valor

ms_loren 12-09-2016 11:21 AM

Good point


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Originally Posted by pigscanfly (Post 1062795263)
According to Maslow's hierarchy of needs, we first have physiological needs including food, water, air, shelter and then safety needs which need to be fulfilled before we reach our need to be loved and belong. According to Maslow, if the first 2 (more basic) levels are not met first, we cannot proceed to having our need for love and belonging fulfilled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow...ological_needs

I agree with these sentiments and, therefore, I don't agree that love is all we need.


kylo ren 12-09-2016 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Rogue (Post 1062795273)
No.

I like the 6 heart virtues of the Wingmakers

Everyone who cares for humanity and the planet i feel would do well to 'practise' this daily.

Appreciation
Compassion
Forgiveness
Humility
Understanding
Valor

Virtues indeed. If every one who valued humanity used those virtues as standards then the world would be a near perfect place.

Sadly there are twats who can not :D

the tealady 12-09-2016 11:46 AM

I have also heard of the following idea, which if honestly observed is love:
Is it true?
Is it fair?
Is it beneficial for all concerned?
Will it build friendship and goodwill toward others?


Also, The Golden Rule. Treating others as we would like to be treated is also love. A hard act to pull off.

But yes I do think it's all we need. We just have to learn how to practice it. Perhaps mastering one virtue at a time is a good start.

fudgetusk 12-09-2016 12:09 PM

Try loving Islamic state. they'll chop your head off or burn you to death. Love has finite usages and is never unconditional. I wonder if it even exists at all.

silent revolution 12-09-2016 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by fudgetusk (Post 1062795317)
Try loving Islamic state. they'll chop your head off or burn you to death. Love has finite usages and is never unconditional. I wonder if it even exists at all.

Have you ever met anybody from Islamic State? I haven't.

Love shouldn't be measured by other people, it should be measured by yourself. It isn't about the boundaries of other peoples love, it's about how much you yourself can love. Your own love can become unconditional if you let it, and if it does then it can prove to you that there is such thing as unconditional love. You'll never find all the answers out there, it's inside yourself where you will find them.

Peace, love, harmony and wisdom friend:)

fudgetusk 12-09-2016 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by silent revolution (Post 1062795331)
Have you ever met anybody from Islamic State? I haven't.

Love shouldn't be measured by other people, it should be measured by yourself. It isn't about the boundaries of other peoples love, it's about how much you yourself can love. Your own love can become unconditional if you let it, and if it does then it can prove to you that there is such thing as unconditional love. You'll never find all the answers out there, it's inside yourself where you will find them.

Peace, love, harmony and wisdom friend:)

WHo needs to know evil to see evil. People who burn other people to death are not nice folk. You cannot love evil. It just doesn't work.

silent revolution 12-09-2016 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fudgetusk (Post 1062795333)
WHo needs to know evil to see evil. People who burn other people to death are not nice folk. You cannot love evil. It just doesn't work.

Yep the Roman Catholic church were not nice folk when they burned all those they claimed heretics at the stake. They have a very long history of doing that.

Satanists supposedly love evil, and it works for them.

Maybe evil could also be seen as a lack of love. Anti-love maybe.

Peace, love, harmony and wisdom friend:)

the tealady 12-09-2016 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by silent revolution (Post 1062795331)
Have you ever met anybody from Islamic State? I haven't.

Love shouldn't be measured by other people, it should be measured by yourself. It isn't about the boundaries of other peoples love, it's about how much you yourself can love. Your own love can become unconditional if you let it, and if it does then it can prove to you that there is such thing as unconditional love. You'll never find all the answers out there, it's inside yourself where you will find them.

Peace, love, harmony and wisdom friend:)

I think that if we scratched under the surface of most militants we would find broken hearts, wounded souls and huge disappointment in them. I'm not defending them at all but the parameters are all different. In the state they are currently in, they can't love themselves or anyone else. Just remember that some monster has created them and their hatred and lust for death.

paddy_blake 12-09-2016 01:16 PM

Love and spirituality are the same thing. However, if you want complete liberation then you have to detach from everything.

cosmicpurpose1.618 12-09-2016 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by paddy_blake (Post 1062795353)
Love and spirituality are the same thing.

Yes, the spirit is only love (I'd also describe it as utter and total coherence:))

Quote:

However, if you want complete liberation then you have to detach from everything.
That's pretty much impossible for most folk, until they die.

Most people are willing to die before they give up their habits, routines and attachments

And we are all the same in that regard, in our capacity for self-indulgence me too of course.

Even saying that is basically indulging in the thought, which is useless anyway, without putting into practice

markritter 12-09-2016 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmicpurpose1.618 (Post 1062795218)
'All you need is love'


'Don't worry about a thing, cause everything's gonna be alright'

Do you agree with these statements, or are they just lulling us further to lethargic, apathetic, sleep?

No. Love is important but its not all that is needed. Without wisdom is can be blind and poorly directed. Without strength is can be weakly applied and ineffective. Without stability it can be fickle.

markritter 12-09-2016 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmicpurpose1.618 (Post 1062795463)
Yes, the spirit is only love (I'd also describe it as utter and total coherence:))

The ancient kabbalists say that love is only a projection of the spirit and that the absolute cannot be labelled in any way, being beyond any limitations that our minds can put upon it.

Claiming the spirit is only love sounds like pseudo Christianity.


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