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truth seeker 09 22-02-2009 11:50 AM

UFO contactee Alex Collier and the Reptilians
 
Hi

UFO contactee Alex Collier has also talked about the Reptilians since the beginning of the 90's. Collier has said that we on Earth have an incredible and complicated, inter-galactic mess hanging upon us.

I warmly recommend you to check out the following videos and his free online book "Defending Sacred Ground".

"I don't own the material, I just volunteered to deliver the message".

- Alex Collier, in 2008

There is something positive but mainly very disturbing information he shares.

"Andromedan contactee Alex Collier has had his face-to-face contacts with blue-skinned human ETs from the Andromeda constellation and the Andromeda galaxy, which have included multiple visits aboard their tremendous motherships and decades of telepathic contact.

Collier talks of the Andromedan civilization and their Council to which the Pleiadian ETs appealed for assistance in dealing with a dangerous, malevolent ET confederation plaguing humanity and much of the galaxy.

Collier describes in detail the members of this malevolent and dangerous ET confederation consisting of

- Reptilian ETs from Alpha Draconis
- the Orion Group and
- the Grey ETs from Zeta Reticuli 2

and it appears that the Alpha Draconan reptilian ETs have been manipulating humanity into a nearly invisible system of servitude for aeons, feeding off of our labor and our bodies through the wars that they instigate and the hostile belief systems which they foster in the form of religious and social institutions."

- UFO Hypotheses.com

Collier's free online book "Defending Sacred Ground":
http://whale.to/b/collier.pdf

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/an...omedacom_0.htm

Videos:

Despite the fact these following videos are from the 90's they are more current than ever!

1) Collier's interview in 1994 by Rick Keefe. Collier talks about the probability that in July or August 2001 (the 9/11 attacks) may happen something very negative and cataclysmic to manipulate the consciousness of humankind:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nnYfxDIXyo

2) Collier's lecture in 1995. This lecture covers issues like the National Security Agency (NSA) in USA being the Secret government which is in regular contact with the bad ET races. Collier also talks about the upcoming abuse of power, now evidenced by Patriot Acts 1 and 2:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7XchY4RvU8

3) Collier's Moon & Mars lecture in 1996:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzDnWLr0AHg

At some point Collier was threatened by the CIA officials. He was told to stop sharing his information or else he and the people around him would be dealt with. This was the reason why Collier stopped his work in the UFO circles in 2002:

Witness testimony supporting Alex Collier's legitimacy as a contactee by Jon Robinson

"Alex back in Colorado was confronted in daylight by three men in black suits that flashed credential of the CIA. Alex had just picked up the mail when the three men surrounding him in the parking lot. Two on each side behind him and one in front. The one in front pulled out a folder and proceeded to tell Alex things that only he knew about himself and family. They then warned him to back off on the newsletter or else some of his friends would be dealt with. On the top of the list was me followed by my wife and two others."

- Jon Robinson

Refreshed the link: http://whale.to/b/collier.pdf

http://galacticdiplomacy.com/Contact...r-Robinson.htm

Fortunately Collier came back in 2007.

4) This is one of Collier's recent lectures available, filmed in 2008 (Introduction made by Michael Salla):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kUG6Iw7uHA

5) Collier points some of the joint alien/human bases where they are located around the world:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBjryNXepAE

6) Collier's lecture in 2010:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ3xuwPb38o

7) Collier's interview in 2009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awIYPKZSvR4

8) Collier's lecture in 2009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR46QjXjLH0

UFO Hypotheses Page devoted to Alex Collier:

"This page is dedicated to my friend Alex Collier,
a brave but reluctant contactee":

http://www.ufohypotheses.com/collier.htm

Michael Salla's opinion about Alex Collier:

"I have analysed Alex Collier's information, had physical and phone interviews with him. I have witnessed some private physical evidence he has provided to support his testimony, and been taken on a tour of the Decker Canyon location in Malibu where he claims to have had contact. I have also spoken with a direct witness verifying various aspects of Alex's contact experiences.

Alex has also revealed that he was the recipient of threats from shadow government agencies and abruptly chose to stop disseminating his information in the period 2000-2002.

Furthermore, Alex has give face to face interviews with veteran UFO researchers Paola Harris and Wendelle Stevens who have had the opportunity to examine the evidence supporting his testimony and concludes he is credible.

Finally, back on June 2, 2007 Alex Collier gave me advance notice of a set of confidential meetings to be held at the United Nations, well before this information leaked in February 2008.

My conclusion from my investigation so far of Alex is that he is very credible and a genuine contactee with a 'friendly' extraterrestrial race. I therefore recommend taking the information he has to reveal very seriously. All those interested in galactic diplomacy and understanding a variety of extraterrestrial races interacting with humanity, will find Alex's work to be very helpful."

- Michael E. Salla, PhD

http://galacticdiplomacy.com/Contactees-Collier.htm

soul_traveller 22-02-2009 01:01 PM

Thanks for posting those links.

He is in seclusion these days although he did do a lecture in 2008. When asked why he went away he said it was for personal reasons and there were things that the Andromedans didn't tell him about so he stopped cummmunication with them. Although he claims that now he is making contact with them again.

I think for the most part his stuff is correct. Certainly his material on history and Lyra and the reptilians is correct. See Swerdlow's material as well as it corrolates with is own knowledge whilst in montauk project.

His info surely beats the new age crap out there. In the powerful moon mars lecture he could tell the mind control on Yelm which is a programming center and the likes of Knight/Ramtha and the truth about Channelling which is related to a fragmented mind and alters coming forward.

Alex Collier also warned about California that it would break up into seperate islands. And that people should leave. Its a common theme back in the 1990s from Psychic communications that California would break away from the mainland. See the "We are the earthquake generation" book. Although all this was predicted for the later years of the 1990s. But does not mean that it is not going to happen. Scientists say that the Pacific North West is one of the dangerous areas to live in the world with the Cascadia Subduction Zone - when it starts to move it will produce widespread damage. Los Angelos also sits on or near a subduction zone. Seattle and Los Angelos are going to be destroyed. Vancouver is also a dangerous area to be and will experience a lot of damage. See here:
Back on topic: All of Alex, Stewart and David's stuff is recommended.

truth seeker 09 22-02-2009 01:23 PM

Upcoming information from Alex Collier
 
Collier was one of the speakers on a Earth Transformation - Japan Tour in 2007 which was held in three cities. The final lectures of this tour were filmed and they are promised to be free online in the future:

http://www.exopoliticsinstitute.org/...tion-Japan.htm

http://www.exopoliticsinstitute.org/...pan-Oct-07.htm

Collier is working on a science fiction film trilogy so you can presume these films are going to be related with his contactee information:

"Alex Collier and his longtime associate Jon Robinson have been working on a science fiction film trilogy revolving around a character named Captain Denar. The storyline may include material related to Collier by the Andromedans. For a brief synopsis, visit his wife's website, as she is co-producing the trilogy through her film company, Cowboy's Sweetheart Films".

- UFO Hypotheses.com, October 30, 2008

Cowboy's Sweetheart Films:

http://www.cowboyssweetheartfilms.co...ers.html#denar

Collier is also rewriting his book Defending Sacred Ground and the new book will be available in the near future:

"As well, Collier is winding up a rewrite of the original, 'Defending Sacred Ground', which Collier feels will be better organized, more informative, and offer additional Andromedan-related material.

According to Mrs. Collier, 'The original DSG was a compendium of lectures and interviews done over a 3 year period. Alex was not part of the process in putting any of the original book together. In fact, Alex didn't even know that a book had been published until a nurse contacted him wanting to buy the book directly. To his surprise DSG had been sold five months prior to his knowledge. So, yes, Mr Collier is rewriting DSG Book Two.' And according to Alex, the book 'will be available within the next 6 months'".

- UFO Hypotheses.com, October 30, 2008

Collier updates, UFO Hypotheses.com:

http://www.ufohypotheses.com/collier.htm

morphal 22-02-2009 06:25 PM

Yes thanks for posting this - I've seen bits and pieces of Collier's stuff but nowhere have I seen a collection all put together like this!

darketernal 22-02-2009 06:38 PM

While I question a good deal of his data, I find his overall message very inspiring.

blondina1 23-02-2009 07:50 AM

Thanks for putting this information together :)

truth seeker 09 23-02-2009 12:32 PM

Collier's lectures in 2002 and 1996
 
Collier's "final" lecture in 2002 before his "retirement" from the UFO circles (Collier continued to share his information in 2007):

"An Andromedan perspective on galactic history":


Part I:

http://exopoliticsjournal.com/vol-2/vol-2-2-Collier.htm

Part II:

http://exopoliticsjournal.com/vol-2/vol-2-3-Collier.htm

Part III:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/an...chistory03.htm

You can get this lecture about our galactic history in a video format by ordering the DVD from TeslaTech. From TeslaTech you can also order two other Collier's lectures: A short lecture from the same day in 2002 and a full lecture filmed in 1996. You can pay the DVDs with PayPal so you don't need a credit card.

The three lectures in the Global Sciences Congress DVD catalog:

August 1996:
G96204: Alex Christopher (Collier's name is written wrong here) - The Andromenans – Connection to Our Past

August 2002:
G02109: Alex Collier - Whispers of the Past
G02122: Alex Collier - Defending Sacred Ground Among the Stars (Pt 1)
G02123: Alex Collier - Defending Sacred Ground Among the Stars (Pt 2)

The DVD catalog of the Global Sciences Congress (1987-2002):

http://www.teslatech.info/ttstore/co...l/gblframe.htm

... Or the pdf-version:

http://www.teslatech.info/ttstore/co...catglobala.pdf

rydeon 23-02-2009 02:00 PM

Alex is an interesting fellow alright. Compare to David Icke he's got a blazing intensity and fire in him.

At first I was a bit doubtful, but his very close 9/11 prediction was a tipping point for me.

measle_weasel 23-02-2009 09:14 PM

Alex Collier is one of the very few ET researchers that actually makes some bit of sense to me. I think hes sincere in what he believes, and says. Whether such things are true or not, I dont know.

mcmenek1 23-02-2009 10:22 PM

Hi,

I just watched the first 12 videos this guy is great the information he is giving out is amazing, people should listen to what he has to say.......

Thanks for posting truth seeker 09 :).....

Love
&
Peace

aitch 24-02-2009 05:02 PM

I just watched the Moon Mars Lecture video ..... this guy made quite a few predictions ..... none of which have come true ..... is he the husband of Blossom Goodchild ?! :D

truth seeker 09 24-02-2009 05:48 PM

If Collier was a hoaxer why would he...
 
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Originally Posted by aitch (Post 825925)
I just watched the Moon Mars Lecture video ..... this guy made quite a few predictions ..... none of which have come true ..... is he the husband of Blossom Goodchild ?! :D

If Collier was a hoaxer why would he talk about such big probable events cause he would know for sure that those events would not happen without great luck? Collier gave the majority of his lectures totally free. He hasn't made big bucks out of it:

"It should be noted that Alex rarely excepted money for speaking engagements and we used all money from the newsletter to keep printing the growing newsletter and we even financed Val's website giving him the opportunity to grow his website which he did."

- Jon Robinson

Source:

http://galacticdiplomacy.com/Contact...r-Robinson.htm

aitch 24-02-2009 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by truth seeker 09 (Post 826015)
If Collier was a hoaxer why would he make such big predictions cause he would know for sure that those events would not happen without great luck?

Because he is kinda nuts ?? Blossom did the same thing too remember !!

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Collier gave the majority of his lectures totally free. He hasn't made big bucks out of it:
Interesting ..... maybe he has a psychological problem ..... or just wants to feel he is "important" ??

truth seeker 09 24-02-2009 06:11 PM

Paola Harris, Wendelle Stevens and Michael Salla
 
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Originally Posted by aitch (Post 826046)
Because he is kinda nuts ?? Blossom did the same thing too remember !!

Interesting ..... maybe he has a psychological problem ..... or just wants to feel he is "important" ??

Paola Harris, Wendelle Stevens and Michael Salla all are saying Alex Collier is a real contactee.

To me Collier doesn't give the impression that he is nuts or a liar... For example George W. Bush gave that impression but not Collier.

aitch 24-02-2009 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by truth seeker 09 (Post 826071)
Paola Harris, Wendelle Stevens and Michael Salla all are saying Alex Collier is a real contactee.

And who are Paola, Wendelle and Michael ?? Are they the "authorities" on nutjobs ..... or could they be part of the scam themselves ??

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To me Collier doesn't give the impression that he is nuts or a liar....
I agree with ya ..... he does come across quite sincere ...... unfortunately he has proven to be wrong ..... isn't that the real reason why he disappeared for so long ??

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For example George W. Bush gave that impression but not Collier.
Just as an aside, why do you think Aliens would "contact" total nobodies like Alex ..... instead of Scientists or World Leaders ??

morphal 24-02-2009 07:24 PM

What is Alex's background?

A prediction coming true doesn't necessarily verify him as for real, as TPTB obviously knew about 9-11 long before it happened, not to say he's consciously working for them, but that the information could have been implanted into his mind, that he could be used.

I don't know whether he's used or not, and don't really have an opinion on it. Predictions that don't come true also don't mean that he's not for real, because things change.

I haven't seen the Mars and Moon thing, what sort of predictions was he making then that didn't come true? Sometimes I guess a lot of events are pushed back so it would be interesting to see if these predictions are still things that could be coming.

aitch 24-02-2009 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by morphal (Post 826198)
What is Alex's background?

Good question ..... does anybody know ??

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A prediction coming true doesn't necessarily verify him as for real, as TPTB obviously knew about 9-11 long before it happened, not to say he's consciously working for them, but that the information could have been implanted into his mind, that he could be used.
Yes I've heard the story about him predicting 911 ..... then I watched the actual video ..... and it was nothing more than a vague and passing comment ..... he didn't predict it at all !!

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I don't know whether he's used or not, and don't really have an opinion on it. Predictions that don't come true also don't mean that he's not for real, because things change.
Come on, apparently his Alien buddies (who can also time-travel!) told him all this ..... either the Aliens are liars or he is !!

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I haven't seen the Mars and Moon thing, what sort of predictions was he making then that didn't come true? Sometimes I guess a lot of events are pushed back so it would be interesting to see if these predictions are still things that could be coming.
He made many predictions all the way through the 2 hour lecture, however right at the end he read out a list of things that should have taken place by 2004 ..... like ET contact from 9 different races, free energy, discovery of a hollow earth city and Atlantis etc ..... :rolleyes::D:p

Check it out - from 1.46:00 onwards

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...07323426058322

truth seeker 09 24-02-2009 08:43 PM

Predictions VS Probabilities
 
Some people are talking about Alex Collier "making predictions". He didn't make predictions. The events he was talking about were only probabilities:

"Now at this time I would like to address the predictions or prophetic accuracy. First off the Zenetae Andromedan's are a very scientific race. So they know that the future is not set in stone, but is real since they come from the future. Alex does not refer to information that they have told him to share of future events as anything but probability. Not prophetic and not predictions! By probability they recognize that events can be change before and even as they take place by those are involved. They would explain this in terms of percentages of probability.

Now I also know that at times a tool they would use on dire statements made were also used to try and get us on this planet who kept up with this stuff to basically put it out towards the masses in hopes that those who were going to do something bad and that monitored our information would get cold feet and change their minds about events because they just might get caught if people started saying that it had been foretold before hand. If you think on that it makes sense."

- Jon Robinson

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/an...medacom_14.htm

aitch 24-02-2009 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by truth seeker 09 (Post 826343)
If you think on that it makes sense.

I'm curious about your answer to my previous question dude ..... why do you think these Aliens would "contact" a total nobody like Alex ..... instead of Scientists or World Leaders etc ??

Does that make any sense to you ??

soul_traveller 24-02-2009 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by aitch (Post 826046)
Because he is kinda nuts ?? Blossom did the same thing too remember !!

Interesting ..... maybe he has a psychological problem ..... or just wants to feel he is "important" ??

Acting in denial does not work anymore.

Stop trying to inflame opinions and move this to the rant room. Grow up and top being a illuminati patsy. If you don't have any useful knowledge to give then why post? Why undermine and discredit people and researchers when you don't even know them. At least give them the respect they deserve.

As for predictions, well anyone with an operational brain cell would see that puting dates on things can never be correct. But for the record, in the moon mars lecture was very close about 9/11 (saying august 2001 and a global ritual sacrifice/offering to the gods) - but then so what? You seem to want all the predictions to come true??! Do you want all the earthquakes, nwo, death and destruction, etc. If predictions don't come true that is a good thing right???!

aitch 24-02-2009 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by soul_traveller (Post 826630)
Acting in denial does not work anymore.

Who is in denial? What is being denied? What work does it do? Why does it not work anymore?

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Stop trying to inflame opinions and move this to the rant room.
I'm debating here ..... I'm highly sceptical of this Alex dude ..... is that not allowed around here ??

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Grow up and top being a illuminati patsy.
Explain to me how not believing some nutjob who thinks he talks to Aliens ..... means I am a patsy to anything? I'd say you're a patsy if you actually believe him!

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If you don't have any useful knowledge to give then why post?
The same reason why you made this post!

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Why undermine and discredit people and researchers when you don't even know them. At least give them the respect they deserve.
I don't know Alex and I will never get to know him ..... but if what he says makes absolutely no sense, I will question it's validity .....

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As for predictions, well anyone with an operational brain cell would see that puting dates on things can never be correct.
Timing is of the utmost importance ..... I could say you are gonna die, naturally you will one day, but the point of "predicting" is giving an accurate time .....

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But for the record, in the moon mars lecture was very close about 9/11 (saying august 2001 and a global ritual sacrifice/offering to the gods) - but then so what?
Nonsense, he never gave any clear indication, merely some vague mention which could be defined as anything you wish ..... and he was still out on the timing .....

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You seem to want all the predictions to come true??!
Nope, but if a dude says a bunch of stuff will happen ..... and it doesn't, it obviously diminishes his credibility .....

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Do you want all the earthquakes, nwo, death and destruction, etc.
Nope ..... do you ??

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If predictions don't come true that is a good thing right???!
Yes it's good ...... but it's bad for Alex though !!

Now tell me Dude ...... what do ya think of Blossom Goodchild ??

truth seeker 09 25-02-2009 07:26 AM

Violating our free will
 
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Originally Posted by aitch (Post 826547)
I'm curious about your answer to my previous question dude ..... why do you think these Aliens would "contact" a total nobody like Alex ..... instead of Scientists or World Leaders etc ??

Does that make any sense to you ??

I can see you've decided your opinion about Collier long time ago and that whatever answer I will give you won't change it.

The good ETs that are trying to help Earth humans have a clear rule for an evolving planet: No direct intervention. Because if they just come down here and contact the world leaders and say "You do this and you do that", it would be a violation of free will. The whole point of this is that the humanity of Earth stops being a victim and learns to activate its free will.

The good ETs like the Andromedans are trying to introduce us new thought patterns and energies but: 1) in some cases they have to do it in a way that we think it's our own idea and 2) in some cases they are using ordinary people instead of well-known people as their spokespersons so that they will not intervene too much.

This is from the 1994 interview:

Rick Keefe: Is there an Earth quarantine that the renegade Zeta-Reticulans (the Greys) violated?

Collier: Yes.

Rick Keefe: And what was that quarantine?

Collier: The quarantine was the same quarantine that any other evolving planet has: no intervention with an evolving race. But because of our genetic stock the Greys did it.
But they did it in such a way that didn’t totally violated our free will. They dangled a technological carrot to the (U.S.) government and the (U.S.) government took the bait. They said: "Sure!" For their own reasons they took the bait. And there was an exchange of technology, and there was a treaty that was signed. And this is a dilemma that the Andromedan Council has: If the United States military had said: "Go away!", the Greys would have had to have left.

This part of the interview, 3:50 >>>


aitch 25-02-2009 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by truth seeker 09 (Post 827077)
I can see you've decided your opinion about Collier long time ago and that whatever answer I will give you won't change it.

Quite the opposite, I want to believe him but see so many "plot holes" that it's difficult to be convinced .....

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The good ETs that are trying to help Earth humans have a clear rule for an evolving planet: No direct intervention.
Why ??

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Because if they just come down here and contact the world leaders and say "You do this and you do that", it would be a violation of free will. The whole point of this is that the humanity of Earth stops being a victim and learns to activate its free will.
Why is Free Will so important ?? If the survival of the Human race is in jeopardy, isn't it worth sacrificing Free Will for the greater good ??

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The good ETs like the Andromedans are trying to introduce us new thought patterns and energies but:
What are these thought patterns and energies ??

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1) in some cases they have to do it in a way that we think it's our own idea
Isn't that tampering with Free Will ??

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and 2) in some cases they are using ordinary people instead of well-known people as their spokespersons so that they will not intervene too much.
In which case why bother trying to intervene at all ?? And why did they choose Alex instead of you or me ??

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This is from the 1994 interview:

Rick Keefe: Is there an Earth quarantine that the renegade Zeta-Reticulans (the Greys) violated?

Collier: Yes.
There is a strong case for the Earth being in some kind of quarantine ..... this I don't doubt .....

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Rick Keefe: And what was that quarantine?

Collier: The quarantine was the same quarantine that any other evolving planet has: no intervention with an evolving race. But because of our genetic stock the Greys did it.

Alex says that Human Beings are considered Genetic Royalty ..... surely an Alien species would be so advanced that they'd have mastered Genetic Research and not need us !!

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But they did it in such a way that didn’t totally violated our free will. They dangled a technological carrot to the (U.S.) government and the (U.S.) government took the bait. They said: "Sure!" For their own reasons they took the bait. And there was an exchange of technology, and there was a treaty that was signed. And this is a dilemma that the Andromedan Council has: If the United States military had said: "Go away!", the Greys would have had to have left.
There is no logic to this at all, it's just Sci-Fi nonsense that you might see on Star Trek ffs !!

Firstly if the Aliens did contact the US then THEY HAVE violated Free Will !!

Secondly, why is the US so important ?? There are hundreds of countries in the World with Billions of people ..... but somehow it's only America that gets ET's !!

This "Americocentric" view of Alien races is foolish and naive and totally discredits Alex's story .....

Please can you explain why his predictions of ET contact from 9 different races, free energy, discovery of a hollow earth city and Atlantis etc haven't come true ?? What reason/excuse does Alex give ..... he does seem strangely quiet about it !!

soul_traveller 26-02-2009 12:47 AM

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Now tell me Dude ...... what do ya think of Blossom Goodchild ??
Never heard of her before now. However, anything coming from channelling, RV, reiki, order of melchizedek, egyptian entities, st germain and the violet flame, etc plus other new age stuff, like spiritual and religion is mind control and programming and is illuminati generated via technologies written into ones own programming matrix alters. Its all part of a disinformation program to target new age people who are programmed and don't know any better.

However, at least she was open and honest however, these predictions about the saucers landing, etc is not new. She needs to seriously deprogram, as we all do and get our own true nature back.

To be honest though I get bad vibes from her and her website same goes for most new age crap.

rydeon 26-02-2009 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by aitch (Post 828043)
Quite the opposite, I want to believe him but see so many "plot holes" that it's difficult to be convinced .....

Why ??

Why is Free Will so important ?? If the survival of the Human race is in jeopardy, isn't it worth sacrificing Free Will for the greater good ??

What are these thought patterns and energies ??

Isn't that tampering with Free Will ??

In which case why bother trying to intervene at all ?? And why did they choose Alex instead of you or me ??


There is a strong case for the Earth being in some kind of quarantine ..... this I don't doubt .....

Alex says that Human Beings are considered Genetic Royalty ..... surely an Alien species would be so advanced that they'd have mastered Genetic Research and not need us !!

There is no logic to this at all, it's just Sci-Fi nonsense that you might see on Star Trek ffs !!

Firstly if the Aliens did contact the US then THEY HAVE violated Free Will !!

Secondly, why is the US so important ?? There are hundreds of countries in the World with Billions of people ..... but somehow it's only America that gets ET's !!

This "Americocentric" view of Alien races is foolish and naive and totally discredits Alex's story .....

Please can you explain why his predictions of ET contact from 9 different races, free energy, discovery of a hollow earth city and Atlantis etc haven't come true ?? What reason/excuse does Alex give ..... he does seem strangely quiet about it !!

The US has been top dog since WW2 so it makes sense that they get the 'cream'

He DID nearly get bang on with the 9/11 prediction AND got the location correct AND a correct description of the aftermath years before it happened.
Not his prediction either, he says the Andromedans told him...

Keep an open mind man we'll have to wait and see if old Alex comes up trumps on the other predictions.

aitch 26-02-2009 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by soul_traveller (Post 828894)
Never heard of her before now. However, anything coming from channelling, RV, reiki, order of melchizedek, egyptian entities, st germain and the violet flame, etc plus other new age stuff, like spiritual and religion is mind control and programming and is illuminati generated via technologies written into ones own programming matrix alters. Its all part of a disinformation program to target new age people who are programmed and don't know any better.

However, at least she was open and honest however, these predictions about the saucers landing, etc is not new. She needs to seriously deprogram, as we all do and get our own true nature back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm4v8ylAxTc

To be honest though I get bad vibes from her and her website same goes for most new age crap.

Don't know dude ..... I reckon she ain't programmed ..... she's just a hoe that wanted some micro-celebrity and has since (even though being proved wrong!) become famous and picked up a lot more customers :rolleyes:

The World is full of scammers and con-artists :cool:

aitch 26-02-2009 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rydeon (Post 830112)
The US has been top dog since WW2 so it makes sense that they get the 'cream'

Not really ..... besides, why would Aliens contact only one country and not ALL the others ?!

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He DID nearly get bang on with the 9/11 prediction AND got the location correct AND a correct description of the aftermath years before it happened.
What I remember from seeing his video was totally vague ..... got a link to your version ??

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Not his prediction either, he says the Andromedans told him...
Better than saying Santa Clause I suppose :D

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Keep an open mind man we'll have to wait and see if old Alex comes up trumps on the other predictions.
My mind is open dude ..... but so far Alex has been proven wrong !!

truth seeker 09 08-03-2009 01:55 AM

Was Blossom Goodchild honest?
 
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Originally Posted by soul_traveller (Post 828894)
To be honest though I get bad vibes from her and her website same goes for most new age crap.

Before the big date I thought "OK, let's see if something happens". In the end I think that I really wasn't waiting anything to happen. After nothing happened: I believe she was honest; she was just given the usual Grey/New World Order channelling propaganda.

Maybe the case Goodchild was arranged so that if someone else being in contact with the good ETs makes some kind of "predictions" in the near future, everybody will be bashing him or her: "Oh no, not again! It seems we got another Blossom Goodchild here! Move on, people. Nothing new to see here!"

damarul 08-03-2009 02:04 AM

Something that struck me, is the fact that he was speaking of the reptilians being on mars...and the strange things ive seen about the faces on mars...and the fact that they live underground, is really freaking me out

darketernal 08-03-2009 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by truth seeker 09 (Post 850536)
Before the big date I thought "OK, let's see if something happens". In the end I think that I really wasn't waiting anything to happen. After nothing happened: I believe she was honest; she was just given the usual Grey/New World Order channelling propaganda.

Maybe the case Goodchild was arranged so that if someone else being in contact with the good ETs makes some kind of "predictions" in the near future, everybody will be bashing him or her: "Oh no, not again! It seems we got another Blossom Goodchild here! Move on, people. Nothing new to see here!"

Actually she is in long line of people who have done this. As long as the internet has been around there have been people making predictions that were channeled by the galactic federation or ashtar command or some other such group, that failed to transpire.

truth seeker 09 08-03-2009 06:16 PM

Collier's comment about Ashtar
 
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Originally Posted by darketernal (Post 850981)
Actually she is in long line of people who have done this. As long as the internet has been around there have been people making predictions that were channeled by the galactic federation or ashtar command or some other such group, that failed to transpire.

Collier's comment about Ashtar in his 1995 lecture:

"Ashtar is not coming to save you. So don't pack your bags."

:)

UFO Hypotheses - Alex Collier Volume Two (01 of 24):

www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7XchY4RvU8

darketernal 08-03-2009 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by truth seeker 09 (Post 851960)
Collier about Ashtar in his 1995 lecture:

"Ashtar is not coming to save you. So don't pack your bags."

:)

UFO Hypotheses - Alex Collier Volume Two (01 of 24):

www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7XchY4RvU8

Indeed. That is a point to remember also... anyone who is coming to save you, does not have your best interests in mind. We must free ourselves if we wish to be truely free.

unbornawakened 08-03-2009 06:55 PM

I have watched almost all of Alex Collier's videos, and he seems sincere.

In my opinion, he is fed disinformation, possibly with some elements of truth. And from his predictions of doom and gloom, none of which came true (except a vague 9/11 type prediction), the agenda of those who fed him with this material cannot be good, as they are trying to spread fear and more chaos.

And since the future is largely unpredictable, and subject to the rules of chaos & fractals, in my opinion, any channel or contactee who makes prediction is talking from his bee-hind :p and cannot be considered a reliable source of information.

In fact the false predictions are made with a specific objective in mind: get people hooked on a message of universal peace, bla bla bla, and make a false prediction for the near future. Once the predicted events do not happen, people loose faith in the original message, and become more confused, searching for yet another source that makes predictions ... and so on (until they realize they are being duped - but a good few years are wasted in this way).

Alex's long silence can be understood - he realized he was being duped. Maybe he came back because he needs money, or to reiterate the parts of the message which he feels might be needed for humankind at this time.

truth seeker 09 09-03-2009 02:50 PM

Interview with Alex Collier in 2001
 
Zenetae.com interviews Alex Collier in 2001

(This is only an extract of the interview)


ZEN : Alex, the first question our readers will have is, your reason for silence.

ALEX : My reason for silence...

ZEN : You haven't been on the radio for a while, no latest updates on the web site recently, is there any particular reason?

ALEX : There really isn't much to say. You know, the truth is I really don't know, I don't have the feel or the value of the information and more--

ZEN : Are people interpreting it wrong?

ALEX : No, I just think that, I really think that people just don't care. There's always a handful, but I just don't know if people really care.

--------------

ALEX : ..... The truth is what it is. I know a lot of people have a hard time with it. But we are running out of time, running out of time. And you know why?

Because people aren't going to listen, to what I say, and they hear what they want to hear, doesn't matter. It ultimately doesn't matter what I say because they are not going to hear it anyway.

It's like the example that I'm not a channel. For twelve years I've been saying this, but people still insist that I'm channeling, so they don't listen so there's no point trying to convince anybody of anything because its obvious they hear what they want to hear.

http://www.svn.net/gp/alex1.htm

truth seeker 09 17-03-2009 10:25 AM

Researchers, whistleblowers and contactees
 
The people in the UFO circles are mainly either researchers or whistleblowers. Alex Collier claims to be a contactee which sets him apart from the others.

1) Researchers have to dig up the information from sources that are available for many like books, unclassified documents and archives. My point is: If something is top secret, you usually can't find the whole truth from library or public documents. You may find the rabbit hole but you can't find how deep it really goes. A researcher can interview other researchers, whistleblowers and contactees but he/she has to make the decision whether these people are talking the truth or not. He/she has to interpret the given information very extensively.

2) Whistleblowers don't have to rely so much on other sources because they themselves have been in the middle of the action. On the other hand, we've learned that even the whistleblowers from the same place can have a totally different picture on what is going on: This guy is confident the Greys are here to help us but the other guy says the Greys are nothing but trouble. Whistleblowers also have to interpret their information to some extent since in the military and secret projects you only know what you need to know, nothing more. The people on the next security level above you could know a lot more and they may have completely different opinion about what is going on and why this and that ET race is here working with us.

3) Contactees don't have to interpret their information because it's directly from ETs, although it's possible these ETs are just manipulating them with disinformation that serves their own agenda. Also the very common problem is that the contactees don't show any physical evidence or bring their extraterrestrial friends with them to the lecture or interview. :)

On the other hand, we know what will happen to people who want to show any hard evidence (whistleblower Phil Schneider for example) so it's understandable that contactees don't have, for example, super clear pictures from the bases on the Moon. So you just have to trust your instincts: either he/she is a contactee or not. But if you believe someone is a real contactee, then his/hers information could be the best possible source out there or it also could be just disinformation from the lying ETs.

thegoodnessisgood 28-03-2009 09:12 AM

He was wrong about many things however they were not predictions and he specifically stated that they were probabilities based on the way things were going. And from my perspective he was right about that. Largely, many things changed because the matrix is constantly changing because all the beings in it are to one degree or another complicit in it's moment to moment creation.

The matrix is in fact of the past, it is something we are viewing that has already been created. We need to let go of that perspective - looking at what we think is now that is actually the past - and start to realise that the real present moment is in another moment. That is the moment where we are creating realty. It is easy to do and incredible changes can be made when people realise this. You can alter reality at a quantum level and beneath that - at a consciousness level which is where the quantum level manifests from.

demise_of_time 28-03-2009 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by truth seeker 09 (Post 869115)
The people in the UFO circles are mainly either researchers or whistleblowers. Alex Collier claims to be a contactee which sets him apart from the others.

1) Researchers have to dig up the information from sources that are available for many like books, unclassified documents and archives. My point is: If something is top secret, you usually can't find the whole truth from library or public documents. You may find the rabbit hole but you can't find how deep it really goes. A researcher can interview other researchers, whistleblowers and contactees but he/she has to make the decision whether these people are talking the truth or not. He/she has to interpret the given information very extensively.

2) Whistleblowers don't have to rely so much on other sources because they themselves have been in the middle of the action. On the other hand, we've learned that even the whistleblowers from the same place can have a totally different picture on what is going on: This guy is confident the Greys are here to help us but the other guy says the Greys are nothing but trouble. Whistleblowers also have to interpret their information to some extent since in the military and secret projects you only know what you need to know, nothing more. The people on the next security level above you could know a lot more and they may have completely different opinion about what is going on and why this and that ET race is here working with us.

3) Contactees don't have to interpret their information because it's directly from ETs, although it's possible these ETs are just manipulating them with disinformation that serves their own agenda. Also the very common problem is that the contactees don't show any physical evidence or bring their extraterrestrial friends with them to the lecture or interview. :)

On the other hand, we know what will happen to people who want to show any hard evidence (whistleblower Phil Schneider for example) so it's understandable that contactees don't have, for example, super clear pictures from the bases on the Moon. So you just have to trust your instincts: either he/she is a contactee or not. But if you believe someone is a real contactee, then his/hers information could be the best possible source out there or it also could be just disinformation from the lying ETs.

And you've just proved compartmentalization does indeed exist; great post :)

aitch 28-03-2009 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by unbornawakened (Post 852073)
I have watched almost all of Alex Collier's videos, and he seems sincere.

That's what I thought on first viewing ..... now I think he's just a sad and desperate bullshitter !! :p

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In my opinion, he is fed disinformation, possibly with some elements of truth.
Who is feeding him ?? :confused:

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And from his predictions of doom and gloom, none of which came true (except a vague 9/11 type prediction), the agenda of those who fed him with this material cannot be good, as they are trying to spread fear and more chaos.
His predictions are nothing more than common-sense if humanity continues on its present course ..... ;)

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And since the future is largely unpredictable, and subject to the rules of chaos & fractals, in my opinion, any channel or contactee who makes prediction is talking from his bee-hind :p and cannot be considered a reliable source of information.
Isn't he just a monumental loser looking for attention ?? :D

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In fact the false predictions are made with a specific objective in mind: get people hooked on a message of universal peace, bla bla bla, and make a false prediction for the near future. Once the predicted events do not happen, people loose faith in the original message, and become more confused, searching for yet another source that makes predictions ... and so on (until they realize they are being duped - but a good few years are wasted in this way).
People dumb enough to be duped by this guy ..... deserve it !! :rolleyes:

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Alex's long silence can be understood - he realized he was being duped. Maybe he came back because he needs money, or to reiterate the parts of the message which he feels might be needed for humankind at this time.
Perhaps he disappeared because he was so embarrassed that none of his predications came true !! And he's back now hoping that people have forgotten ?? ;)



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Originally Posted by truth seeker 09 (Post 853760)
Zenetae.com interviews Alex Collier in 2001

(This is only an extract of the interview)

ZEN : Alex, the first question our readers will have is, your reason for silence.

ALEX : My reason for silence...

ZEN : You haven't been on the radio for a while, no latest updates on the web site recently, is there any particular reason?

ALEX : There really isn't much to say. You know, the truth is I really don't know, I don't have the feel or the value of the information and more--

ZEN : Are people interpreting it wrong?

ALEX : No, I just think that, I really think that people just don't care. There's always a handful, but I just don't know if people really care.

--------------

ALEX : ..... The truth is what it is. I know a lot of people have a hard time with it. But we are running out of time, running out of time. And you know why?

Because people aren't going to listen, to what I say, and they hear what they want to hear, doesn't matter. It ultimately doesn't matter what I say because they are not going to hear it anyway.

It's like the example that I'm not a channel. For twelve years I've been saying this, but people still insist that I'm channeling, so they don't listen so there's no point trying to convince anybody of anything because its obvious they hear what they want to hear.

http://www.svn.net/gp/alex1.htm

People don't listen because it's just a nonsensical fantasy which has been proven wrong !! :rolleyes:



Quote:

Originally Posted by truth seeker 09 (Post 869115)
The people in the UFO circles are mainly either researchers or whistleblowers. Alex Collier claims to be a contactee which sets him apart from the others.

1) Researchers have to dig up the information from sources that are available for many like books, unclassified documents and archives. My point is: If something is top secret, you usually can't find the whole truth from library or public documents. You may find the rabbit hole but you can't find how deep it really goes. A researcher can interview other researchers, whistleblowers and contactees but he/she has to make the decision whether these people are talking the truth or not. He/she has to interpret the given information very extensively.

2) Whistleblowers don't have to rely so much on other sources because they themselves have been in the middle of the action. On the other hand, we've learned that even the whistleblowers from the same place can have a totally different picture on what is going on: This guy is confident the Greys are here to help us but the other guy says the Greys are nothing but trouble. Whistleblowers also have to interpret their information to some extent since in the military and secret projects you only know what you need to know, nothing more. The people on the next security level above you could know a lot more and they may have completely different opinion about what is going on and why this and that ET race is here working with us.

3) Contactees don't have to interpret their information because it's directly from ETs, although it's possible these ETs are just manipulating them with disinformation that serves their own agenda. Also the very common problem is that the contactees don't show any physical evidence or bring their extraterrestrial friends with them to the lecture or interview. :)

On the other hand, we know what will happen to people who want to show any hard evidence (whistleblower Phil Schneider for example) so it's understandable that contactees don't have, for example, super clear pictures from the bases on the Moon. So you just have to trust your instincts: either he/she is a contactee or not. But if you believe someone is a real contactee, then his/hers information could be the best possible source out there or it also could be just disinformation from the lying ETs.

You missed out number 4 :-

4) Delusional Nutjobs who are pathological liars ..... looking to fill their empty lives by feeling somehow important ..... and make some easy money from the gullible !! :)

shenoma 28-03-2009 11:15 PM

No one human being is a so-called 'no body' using your term, they are just unknown by the greater whole. And because they are opened minded and will listen and who is say the aliens haven't already tried those people you have already named and failed?

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Originally Posted by aitch (Post 826159)

Just as an aside, why do you think Aliens would "contact" total nobodies like Alex ..... instead of Scientists or World Leaders ??


shenoma 28-03-2009 11:17 PM

So very very true.

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Originally Posted by darketernal (Post 851975)
Indeed. That is a point to remember also... anyone who is coming to save you, does not have your best interests in mind. We must free ourselves if we wish to be truely free.



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