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tintin 16-10-2007 11:20 AM

The NEWS behind the NEWS.
 
Folks, there's so many news that has to be "DECODED"
that it looks a good time to start a thread that
"TRANSLATES" the news.

So that not only the happy few can understand their
'SECRET CODES" but that ALL people can have ACCESS
to the same information.

If life were a sports game then we all would want
to be it a FAIR game. So hence this thread.

So let's start with the first interesting piece
of news.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblog...hmadinejad.jpg

PUTIN In TEHRAN.
First time a Russian leader
since STALIN in 43.


http://www.iranian.com/DariusKadivar...oncept43_2.jpg

First time since 43?
STALIN? The biggest mass murderer probably of all time?
Bush president number 43?

See folks, something very BIG is coming our way.
And with OUR WAY, I mean the world because a
war with IRAN will hit the whole world on the chin.

IRAN or PERSIA is already MARKED as a target.

http://mediavillage.com/albums/CWUpf...6/IMG_2894.jpg

PERSIA WHITE. And she's
heavily "marked" with tattoos
the BLACK is WHITE rule.

neon 16-10-2007 11:36 AM

tintin so glad we have people like you on this forum, i see your friend is here too. Please keep up the excellent work. You know your stuff. Sometimes reading your work is overload for me, because too much information :)

tintin 16-10-2007 12:08 PM

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...ey_ap_220b.jpg

From BBC pictures.
a monkey on top of a DOG.
Put our Inspector REBUS coats on

So what do we have here?

A MONKEY that plays TOP DOG.

http://www.webbusiness.no/webprivat/...ush_monkey.jpg

It's MONKEY man Bush.
The picture is taken in LITTLE ROCK Arkansas.

That's BILL Clinton territory
The DOG is called GEORGE.

And the ORANGE woman in the back is in control.
the MONKEY has the YELLOW-BLACK nuclear colors.

from the "day in pictures" 12 october.
BBC gives us every day these little rebuses to decode.
Talking secretly in codes is a very old art....

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...o_afp_416b.jpg

Same day.
A liitle boy in Congo points at us with a toy gun.
But the messages is the opposite of a TOY gun.

Young "boys" will be the henchmen for the elite.

So what is the next picture, just after BOY points
his gun at us?

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...ue_ap_220b.jpg

An old man brutally treated by one
of those young men in Black.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...97_iraq_ap.jpg

General Petraeus lands in bagdad.(This is from yesterday.)
Petraeus means BETRAY US.
Betray the USA and Us.

Just as the last supreme commander in the
states was called PETER PACE.
Pace = peace in italian. war= peace.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...pplanes_ap.jpg

Planes come right at us!
followed by this picture.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...96_bush_ap.jpg

MONKEY man BUSH.
Yes, but where did he land?
WACO texas.

That doesn't sound too comfortable.
So what picture follows?

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...onkey220ap.jpg

Monkey man Bush...

All from the BBC.
next picture?

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...soldier_ap.jpg

An Indian soldier
giving the NAZI salute....


The whole series of ten pictures from yesterday
ends with this one...

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...ipjapan_ap.jpg

klinker 16-10-2007 12:15 PM

Yes that is an interesting sequence of pictures that can tell a story. Don't forget the lady in red from that sequence. Red spells danger. ;)

tintin 16-10-2007 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neon (Post 159949)
tintin so glad we have people like you on this forum, i see your friend is here too. Please keep up the excellent work. You know your stuff. Sometimes reading your work is overload for me, because too much information :)

Thanks, much appreciated!

tintin 16-10-2007 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klinker (Post 159981)
Yes that is an interesting sequence of pictures that can tell a story. Don't forget the lady in red from that sequence. Red spells danger. ;)

Yes, indeed, red as danger.
You can only post ten pictures, so was at my limit.
wanted to post that old man with all his belongings as well.

So here they are
part of the series above.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...pmodel_afp.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...anbike_afp.jpg

tintin 16-10-2007 01:13 PM

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/Ar...ersie-0607.jpg

Here's Robin van Persie.
have posted about him.
Especially because he is a PERSIAN and tells
us to FLY away from the EMIRATES. (His shirt).
The emirates are in the heart of the strait of hormuz.

Now the moment PUTIN was in TEHRAN we
have this headline from van Persie in de Telegraaf today.
(Biggest Dutch newspaper).

VAN PERSIE will meer UITSTRALING.

Translated it means this.

Van Persie wants
more RADIATION.


Straling is RADIATION.
So the PERSIAN wants more Radiation.

And in the article the journalist states that
"THE GUNNER IS BURNING".
(Ontbrandt, van persie plays for the "gunners")

Burning, radiation?

tintin 16-10-2007 01:49 PM

http://cdn.harpercollins.com/harperi...0060931407.jpg

DORIS LESSING WINS
NOBEL Prize for
litareture.


Yes, and so what?

DORIS LESING is
born in PERSIA (IRAN).


http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/...b__300x438.jpg

When she was stil a young girl the family moved
to RHODESIA. what is now ZIMBABWE.

ZIMBABWE became indepent
after the so called

"BUSH" WAR.

So here we have a nice combination of
IRAN and BUSH.
I can't remember another IRANIAN to have won the
Nobelprize for literature.

So seems fitting the big picture.

And there is a second message.
She became famous with
that book above.
THE GOLDEN NOTEBOOK.

Second message:
BUY GOLD.

real6 16-10-2007 03:22 PM

I enjoy reading Tintin's post. very bugged out!!!

majicdragon 16-10-2007 06:43 PM

Or is it, "bugged IN"

rhymes with? Plugged in?

vera susa 16-10-2007 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neon (Post 159949)
tintin so glad we have people like you on this forum, i see your friend is here too. Please keep up the excellent work. You know your stuff. Sometimes reading your work is overload for me, because too much information :)

Just a simple tip from an 'old watcher':

Just drink it all in and let it settle where it will.
Don't even try to figure it all out, just relax and watch the patterns form.

Plus it also pays to have a genuine, interest in 'everything', even things
you 'don't like'.

Like I HATE Cricket, but couldn't help but notice how VERY IMPORTANT
it is for those "Good Old Boys" to LISTEN to every WORD, score and stat.
of certain matches.
But unlike 'common sports fans', they also weren't those inclined to get into a bitch fest about the 'reasoning' of SELECTORS...those at the top of the Cricket Pyramid, and very high up in the Global Pyramid, who have their fingers in many Corporate Pies.
Now I am not, a 'numbers' person, so cracking the codes behind scores and stats. is out of my league, but I do have an eye and ear for things that don't fit, breaks in surface patterns, that go on to form another pattern, and well, to sum up....apologies to genuine fans...the only sane explanation for the existence of Cricket as a world sport, is as a cover to rattle off, detailed, coded information to those in the know, without anyone suspecting why
those successful business men drop everything to listen to the Cricket.

As tintin has mentioned, after a while the recognition of what's 'coded',
becomes automatic.

Plus remember, that wars take years, decades to 'organize' so as with old
'coded billboards' like TINTIN books, it can take decades before you receive the rest of the message.

So if you just let the information settle in your mind as curious, interesting or 'not quite right', even though no one else may think so, it could be you that stumbles over a key to unlock that code, even decades later, just because you didn't buy the 'reasonable' explanations for a reasonable question.

tintin 16-10-2007 11:59 PM

Vera Susa.
I love Vera Susa...

vera susa 17-10-2007 12:06 AM

Oh yeay, you brought the BBC "Pictures" back to the NET!

And that days selection....nearly had me back on a posting frenzy, but for not knowing where to start and how to keep some hope, in the telling of the 'message'.

Any who have followed the BBC "PICTURES" posts on the "Global Power Shift" thread at that other site, may have noticed an overall shift in the tone and urgency of the 'picture stories', like from that now famous pic of Queen Liz sitting, waiting in an unlit room as if about to go into exile, to a shot of RED ARROW JETS flying at the funnel of the QE2, then add in the selection tintin just gave us, after an earlier run of 'escape' images (common people combined with all manner of transports)...well 'reasonable' people would just see it as a random reflection of what's going on in the world, except that there is a hell of a lot more interesting and important things going on than monkeys and gorillas, like the "Monkeys and Gorillas" that are opening borders for 'powerless' refugees into hell holes like America and England, while making it much harder
to 'escape' into the grossly UNDERpopulated, safe, stable landmass "They" OWN, OZ.

And now I'm off to look for what was only a morning news,
news-bar Headline;
"TASMANIAN BAND FIRST TO RECORD BEATLES SONG"...????

WHAT THE...!!!!

Now it doesn't matter what a non-story this may be, but when TASMANIA,
VAN DEMONS LAND, the place of birth of "ROBIN HOOD" (ERROL FLYNN),
who's POLICE PIPE BAND FEATURED AT THE FINAL CELEBRATION OF QUEEN ELIZABETH'S 50th JUBILEE AT EDINBROUGH (that I just discovered AMERICAN Spell Check is TOO STUPID to include, so 'out of the loop' are they!), make
it into a news-bar, there is most definitely more NEWS behind it!

synergy777 17-10-2007 12:10 AM

tin and vera welcome, thanks for the wonderful posts, and long may they continue.

vera susa 17-10-2007 12:29 AM

Thanks tintin, with the grief my old gut problem is giving me lately, on top of all the other bothers, I can do with the odd kind word.

Now my compliment for you;
please work your magic on this TASMANIA/BEATLES story,
that even with a quick scan, SCREAMS, "IMPORTANT MESSAGE!"



Local rockers in pop history
Article from: The Mercury

http://www.news.com.au/common/imaged...5705608,00.jpg
FATE ...
The Innocents

perform at The Cavern in Liverpool,
where the Beatles played in the early 1960s.


KANE YOUNG
October 17, 2007 01:00am
http://www.news.com.au/mercury/story...9-3462,00.html

TASMANIAN pop band The Innocents have created music history,
laying down a previously unrecorded song co-written by Beatle
Paul McCartney 45 years ago.

In Germany to perform at three music festivals, The Innocents
recorded the first ever studio version of the track Tell Me If You Can,
written by McCartney and legendary UK musician Tony Sheridan
in Hamburg in 1962.

Sheridan had performed Tell Me If You Can and once recorded a rough live version, but was not happy with how it turned out and did not release it.

He said the song was written in 15 minutes as
"Paul and I sat at my pad drinking lots of beer".

Sheridan formed his first group in England in 1956 and was highly sought-after, accompanying US artists such as Conway Twitty,
Gene Vincent and Eddie Cochran on UK tours.
He was the first rock musician to be allowed to play live electric guitar
on British TV.


In 1960 he was the first English musician to play in Hamburg, Germany,
where he was supported by The Beatles.

The Liverpool lads lived with Sheridan for several months,
during which time they nicknamed him "the Teacher".


Sheridan and The Beatles went into Hamburg's Friedrich-Ebert Halle
to make the first Beatles record, My Bonnie, in June 1961.

That record came to the attention of young band-manager Brian Epstein -- the rest is pop music history.

Sheridan toured Australia in 1964 when his hit song Why
was in the national charts.


While in Sydney, he showed his saxophonist Alex Young's brothers how to
play guitar. They later formed legendary Aussie rock band AC/DC.


The Innocents --
Charles Touber, Greg Cracknell, David Minchin and Stuart Cashion --
went to Friedrich-Ebert Halle this month to record material for their documentary No Hit Wonders from Downunder
.

Touber
could not believe it
when Sheridan pulled out
Tell Me If You Can
and asked them to record it with him.


"We recorded an Innocents original with Sheridan, then he casually announced he had a surprise for us," Touber said.
"Some surprise. It was like being handed the Ruby of India.

"We were absolutely floored.
It was a moment that time stood still -- a time of suspended belief."

Sheridan said meeting The Innocents was "fate".


"I like the group. The way they play reminded me of what we used to do
back then. They did great harmonies. It reminded me very much of
The Beatles,"
he said.

Sheridan said he wants to record more material with
The Innocents and perform in Tasmania.


================

Now see, you can wait over 40 years, to 'hear' how a long range plan is being worked and tweeked.

vera susa 17-10-2007 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vera susa (Post 160660)
Ah the "TIMING".....
yes, you can wait over 40, 60, hundreds of years,
for 'the other shoe to drop', and then the other, and the other,
before figuring out who's in bed with whom.


From the Madeline thread, spilling into other current News;

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11983

Ghouliani: I'm prepared for an attack from outer..

Quote:

Originally Posted by vera susa (Post 160658)
3M...White-Out..."white-wash"...was first invented by
THE MOTHER of a MONKEE, Mike Nesmith.

3m's 'White-Out' is the RIVAL to The Original Liquid Paper:
It was invented by Bette Nesmith Graham in 1951
and originally called Mistake Out.
Graham was a typist who developed a type of white tempera paint
to cover up her mistakes.
Her first batch was mixed together in a common kitchen blender.

She offered the product to IBM, which declined.

She sold the product, renamed Liquid Paper, from her house for 17 years.

By 1968, the product was profitable and in 1979,
it was sold to the Gillette Corporation
for $47.5 million with royalties.


She died the following year,
with half of her estate going to charity,
and half to her only child;
actor, producer, businessman, and
former Monkee, Michael Nesmith



So here we have more connections, but also with the theme of RIVALRY.

Now whenever there's restructuring or a power shift happening, at any level, people are called to remember old loyalties, debts and promises broken and kept....and worry about how much the other camps remember.

Well we are going through a GLOBAL POWER RE-STRUCTURE, and as Global Power Houses are VERY old, there are very many, very old memouries to review.

Which brings us back to Maddy, The Lindbergh Baby and
"THE GLOBAL TERROR OF ALIEN INVASION".

Now we've looked at "BALLOONS" as a symbol KEY, and I've posted on the now 'available to the general public', FLYING SAUCERS and the stupid, non-excuses for the death of the AIRSHIP and FLYING BOAT industries,
but I haven't explored the depths of the themes.
I keep stopping at the statement,
"I'm just waiting to see those 'MIGHTY DUCKS'."

And what was a recent, very funny spoof floating around the NET, but that
"BILL READING" of funding a response to a "Flesh Eating" ATTACK of some Power Greater than our Worst Nightmares!

And this after stories of the AIRSHIP Industry taking off again, and that
LEONARDO Di CAPRIO movie, "The Aviator", which ended with the successful flight of his (HOWARD HUGES, who made his early fortune in WEST AUSTRALIAN MINING), the biggest ever, FLYING BOAT.

Now keeping in mind that long before there was a 'conspiracy industry',
there was always an interest in the conspiracies that DENY GOOD technologies to the common man, while FORCING dangerous, polluting, wasteful technologies on us...can you just imagine what wonderful transports
have been designed and tested by all those gifted, inventive experts, who had their industries of choice, taken from public involvement, and put in the secretive hands of Governments.

But as we know, when RIVALRY is between the most powerful, it becomes
the most bloody for the innocent bystanders, and our World Powers are NOT
all on the same side, despite many pretending to be, even for hundreds of years, and that whole subject of the public Air Transport industry/history,
is one huge story of RIVAL World Powers, making us pay for their control
and domination.

So I can't help but expect it won't be too long before those WALKING, SWIMMING, FLYING, "MIGHTY DUCKS", so many have been brainwashed into believing are 'Alien', make their public debut....something like this;

http://991.com/newGallery/Jeff-Wayne...rld-325409.jpg

except "WORLD" is NOT plural.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vera susa (Post 160663)
And more "TIMING"... from today's BBC Main Page;


Citizen Kane Oscar under hammer

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...les_ap203b.jpg
Orson Welles (centre) made Citizen Kane at the age of 25

The only Oscar won for
Orson Welles'
iconic 1941 film Citizen Kane
is to be auctioned and is estimated to fetch
$800,000 (£393,000)
to $1.2m (0.5m).

The Oscar was for best original screenplay and was given jointly
to Welles and Herman J Mankiewicz.

Sotheby's auction house in New York said it will
auction off the statuette on 11 December.

Many critics regard Citizen Kane,
about a power-hungry newspaper baron,
as one of the best films ever made.

Leila Dunbar, senior vice president at Sotheby's,
said the prestige of the film added to the statuette's value.

Held in secret

"The movie had a star-studded cast," she said.
"Welles was fearless in the filmmaking and he had complete autonomy,
all of which helped him create a landmark movie."


The Oscar was believed to have been lost until
it appeared at a 1994 Sotheby's auction.


A Los Angeles cinematographer had held it in secret,
after being given it by Welles as payment for working with him.

Welles' youngest daughter, Beatrice, claimed the Oscar for herself
after suing Sotheby's and the cinematographer.

Oscar sales

But when she tried to sell it, the academy tried unsuccessfully
to sue her as part of its longstanding goal of keeping Oscars out
of commercial markets.

Since 1950, the academy has required Oscar-winners to give it
the first right of refusal to buy back an Oscar for $1.

In 2003, it was acquired by the Dax Foundation,
an LA-based non-profit group that supports various
educational, health and other causes.
It is being auctioned by Dax.


In 1999, the best picture Oscar for Gone With the Wind
fetched more than $1.5m and Vivien Leigh's best actress statuette
for the same movie made more than $550,000.

http://billdouglas.ex.ac.uk/eve/object_images/47059.jpg

And here we have, also on the BBC Main Page,
NUKES and WAR,
GLOBAL HUNT for CHILD,
OLD and NEW LOYALTIES TESTED,
CRICKET "WARS"
PLAGUES
and a
'TWIN' DEATH in TRANSPORT Troubles;

OTHER TOP STORIES
http://news.bbc.co.uk/

Russia backs Iran nuclear rights
Global hunt for child-sex suspect
Dalai Lama US trip condemned
Woolmer Jamaica inquest opens
Nets boost Africa's malaria fight
'Two shot' in Cameroon taxi riot

vera susa 17-10-2007 04:35 AM

And then we also have this "TIMELY" reminder of that too often ignored, "FRENCH CONNECTION" in so much of what on the surface, looks unconnected:

Oh, really Obama and Cheney are cousins?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...d=1#post160699

Quote:

Originally Posted by synak (Post 160696)
Amazing some people still think that "anyone" can become a presidential "candidate". None of it is random.

Aren't Bush and Kerry related to Vlad the Impaler?


Yeah, at least synak didn't fall for "6 Degrees of Separation" BUZZ,
that flooded MSM a while back.
That 'fashion of water cooler talk', was promoted to convince folk that all those these connections we keep tripping over, between the Rich, Famous and Powerful, are as 'innocent', as the connections we 'common folk' have
with them....except we can't get away with shooting friends, while running the men who run a super-power!


Quote:

Originally Posted by vera susa (Post 160699)
Oh PLEASE,
can someone allowed on The Unhived Mind, share this with
"WHITE PROTESTANT MIGHT" RACISTS,
"Craig Oxley" and "Brother Eric Jon Phelps",

and remind their readers, that,
the ONLY way
they will have the SEGREGATED world
they so SERIOUSLY CAMPAIGN FOR,
is to CHIP EVERYONE
with technology that read and "RESPOND" to,
the genetic information that knows
how much 'black/brown blood'
is hiding under 'white/light skin'.

http://i21.tinypic.com/3448pq1.jpg
U.S. Senator Barack Obama (L) (D-IL)
re-enacts being sworn-in
by U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney (R)
on Capitol Hill in Washington, January 4, 2005.
With him are his wife Michelle
and their two daughters
Malia (L) and Sasha.


Obama, 43,
is the only African-American in the Senate,
and the fifth in its history.


Cheney and Obama are distant cousins.
according to the vice president's wife, Lynne Cheney,
who said she discovered that her husband
of 43 years
is eighth cousins with the senator from Illinois.

The common ancestor was Mareen Devall,
who the Chicago Sun-Times said was
a 17th century immigrant from France.


http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...21534220071016

REUTERS/Jason Reed


vera susa 17-10-2007 05:35 AM

BBC "PICTURES"
VALUED EXPOSURE


http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl...9059/img/1.jpg

Now this was also their 'Valued Exposure' yesterday (some clever code breakers might want to 'specialize' on the cracking the 'seemingly' random
posting and CHANGING of images the BBC give us, as there's definitely something 'directing' the web site's editors to act outside of 'routine'),
and if you look at all on offer on todays selections,
well, I can't see that 'They' mean to "RING THE NORTH" with 'Salad Days'....


BBC NEWS: In Pictures
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/default.stm

1987 storm lashes Kew

1987 storm



Day in pictures
16 October 2007

A tree lying across a Moscow road after collapsing under the weight of snow
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...3_snow_afp.jpg
A tree lies across a Moscow street after collapsing under the weight of snow.


But this one jumped out at me;
an ORANGE BOX

Juvenile boxfish

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...boxfish_ap.jpg
A 1cm-long juvenile boxfish
swims in the Celebes Sea,
just off the Philippines.


Why?
Well the following is about one of Australia's richest men
(possibly, the 3rd..?), famous for his philanthropy,
but back in the early eighties my husband found that just applying
for a tradesman job with Pratt's RIVAL company, AMCOR,
was like applying to join the secret service...that there was something
very dark and "OFF" about the whole industry...the Containers, Packaging
and Cardboard BOX industry.


Pratt apologises as firm faces $43m fine
5:00AM Wednesday October 17, 2007
By Nick Lenaghan
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/3/...ectid=10470298

http://media.apn.co.nz/webcontent/im...g/visy-160.jpg
Visy Industries chairman Richard Pratt. Photo / Bloomberg

Visy group chairman Richard Pratt has again apologised for his
packaging and paper company's involvement in price fixing with rival Amcor
in the A$2 billion ($2.4 billion) cardboard market.

The billionaire's company is facing a possible record penalty of A$36 million
for the anti-competitive behaviour, the Federal Court in Melbourne heard on Monday.

Speaking outside court, Pratt said he accepted full responsibility for his company's behaviour.

"I know a lot more now than I knew then, but I sincerely regret what happened and I accept ultimate responsibility," he said.

In a hearing before Judge Peter Heerey, Pratt and Visy admitted responsibility for the illegal price fixing. But Visy also told the court the activity did not cause losses to its customers. The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission has asked the court to impose a A$36 million fine on Pratt and Visy.

Smaller fines of A$1.5 million and A$500,000 respectively should also be imposed on Visy chief executive Harry Debney and former general manager Rod Carroll, the ACCC said. In a defence submission, Jonathan Beach, QC said Visy acknowledged its liability, accepted its responsibility and repented its contravention of the Trade Practices Act.


But Beach said price increases under the cartel, that ran between 2000 and 2004, followed a price war between Visy and Amcor.
"It's not an excuse but it explains the genesis of the arrangement
so far as Visy is concerned," he told the court.

"Our position is that increases would have taken place in any event."

Earlier, Peter Jopling QC, for the ACCC, told the court collusion between Visy and Amcor resulted in "very serious contraventions" of the act and had been "carefully and deliberately concealed".

"The collusion involved both price fixing and market sharing measures," he said.

An agreed statement of facts handed to the court covers 37 contraventions of the Trade Practices Act by Visy affecting some of Australia's biggest food and beverage companies, including Ingham's, Goodman Fielder, Foster's Group, Nestle and Cadbury Schweppes. Jopling said cardboard prices had risen by an overall 20 per cent from 2000-04.


The ACCC barrister also rejected a public apology issued last week by Pratt and Visy.

In a letter, Pratt said his senior executives had been motivated by a desire to take advantage of their arch rival Amcor.

As well, the Visy senior executives involved did not properly understand the complexities of the Trade Practices Act.

But Jopling asked Justice Heerey to reject those claims.

Jopling said Visy's "contraventions had nothing to do with the poor appreciation of the law".

Outside court, Pratt paused briefly to issue another apology.

But he did not respond to questions when asked why Debney remained in his position at Visy, despite admitting his role in the illegal activity.

Amcor, which blew the whistle on the price fixing to the competition watchdog, dismissed senior executives who set up the deal with Visy.

The ACCC legal action follows a year-long investigation into price fixing in Australia's A$2 billion cardboard box industry from 2000-04.


Justice Heerey reserved his decision on penalties to a date to be fixed.



But what this story WHITE WASHES, is AMCOR'S GUILT.

These mongrels didn't "Blow the Whistle",
but CHOSE to BE TRAITORS
to THEIR PARTNER
in a WELL PLANNED CRIME
(they are the only two BOX suppliers in the country),
AFTER they got BUSTED.
They TRADED
COMPLETE IMMUNITY for themselves,
by spilling all the dirt in their SHARED closet!

vera susa 17-10-2007 06:23 AM

Now, it's always been very hard for me to ignore ELEPHANTS,
even as child, long before I was aware of THE ORDER OF THE ELEPHANT,
'something' told me they represented a 'SECRET' Power,
well beyond their obvious size and intelligence,
but even more so since being aware of
SCOTS/AUSSIE PRINCESS and MOTHER of The Future KING of DENMARK,
belonging to that Order...and when the BBC combines
an ELEPHANT called "FIVE",
FORT WILLIAM, SCOTLAND,
LEFT WING IDEALISTS BEING CALLED TO WAR
AGAINST SPAIN'S HEAD
and
A LONG AND WINDING ROAD in FERTILE WALES....well....


17 October 2007
BBC NEWS

ENGLAND'S BIG PICTURE

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl...7463/img/1.jpg

Five, a 16-year-old African Elephant,
creates works of art using a paint brush at West Midlands Safari Park.



N IRELAND'S BIG PICTURE
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl...5879/img/1.jpg

The role of Irish volunteers in the International Brigade
during the Spanish civil war is being marked with a display of memorabilia
in the Linen Hall Library.
It is thought 78 of the 2,000 left-wing idealists from Britain, Ireland and
the Commonwealth who fought against Franco came from NI.



SCOTLAND'S BIG PICTURE
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl...2846/img/1.jpg

The remains of a clay pipe found at Fort William. It was among artefacts recovered by archaeologists probing the town's 18th Century history


WALES'S BIG PICTURE
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl...6266/img/1.jpg

vera susa 17-10-2007 07:30 AM

Right, so today on AUSTRALIA'S SOUTHERN CROSS TV news,
we just had a news-bar headline about the BEATLES,
and the first on-line story about it was from NEW ZEALAND,
then on today's OZZIE
http://www.abc.net.au/includes/heade...800x600/08.jpg
http://www.abc.net.au/default_800.htm

we have:

Best of the ABC Updated: 17/10/2007 2:33:24 PM

http://www.abc.net.au/common/images/beatles125.jpg
File photo: The Beatles in the 1960s

I knocked back the Beatles

Former hotelier to the rich and the famous Frank Christie ]turned away the fab four - much to his kids' disgust.

* Listen to a clip from Life Matters
* Download the program in full

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/lifematters...07/2059916.htm

klinker 17-10-2007 09:33 AM

Todays day in pictures from the Big Brother Corporation could tell a story.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7047003.stm

tintin 17-10-2007 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vera susa (Post 160605)
Thanks tintin, with the grief my old gut problem is giving me lately, on top of all the other bothers, I can do with the odd kind word.

Now my compliment for you;
please work your magic on this TASMANIA/BEATLES story,
that even with a quick scan, SCREAMS, "IMPORTANT MESSAGE!"



Local rockers in pop history
Article from: The Mercury

http://www.news.com.au/common/imaged...5705608,00.jpg
FATE ...
The Innocents

perform at The Cavern in Liverpool,
where the Beatles played in the early 1960s.


KANE YOUNG
October 17, 2007 01:00am
http://www.news.com.au/mercury/story...9-3462,00.html

TASMANIAN pop band The Innocents have created music history,
laying down a previously unrecorded song co-written by Beatle
Paul McCartney 45 years ago.

In Germany to perform at three music festivals, The Innocents
recorded the first ever studio version of the track Tell Me If You Can,
written by McCartney and legendary UK musician Tony Sheridan
in Hamburg in 1962.

Sheridan had performed Tell Me If You Can and once recorded a rough live version, but was not happy with how it turned out and did not release it.

He said the song was written in 15 minutes as
"Paul and I sat at my pad drinking lots of beer".

Sheridan formed his first group in England in 1956 and was highly sought-after, accompanying US artists such as Conway Twitty,
Gene Vincent and Eddie Cochran on UK tours.
He was the first rock musician to be allowed to play live electric guitar
on British TV.


In 1960 he was the first English musician to play in Hamburg, Germany,
where he was supported by The Beatles.

The Liverpool lads lived with Sheridan for several months,
during which time they nicknamed him "the Teacher".


Sheridan and The Beatles went into Hamburg's Friedrich-Ebert Halle
to make the first Beatles record, My Bonnie, in June 1961.

That record came to the attention of young band-manager Brian Epstein -- the rest is pop music history.

Sheridan toured Australia in 1964 when his hit song Why
was in the national charts.


While in Sydney, he showed his saxophonist Alex Young's brothers how to
play guitar. They later formed legendary Aussie rock band AC/DC.


The Innocents --
Charles Touber, Greg Cracknell, David Minchin and Stuart Cashion --
went to Friedrich-Ebert Halle this month to record material for their documentary No Hit Wonders from Downunder
.

Touber
could not believe it
when Sheridan pulled out
Tell Me If You Can
and asked them to record it with him.


"We recorded an Innocents original with Sheridan, then he casually announced he had a surprise for us," Touber said.
"Some surprise. It was like being handed the Ruby of India.

"We were absolutely floored.
It was a moment that time stood still -- a time of suspended belief."

Sheridan said meeting The Innocents was "fate".


"I like the group. The way they play reminded me of what we used to do
back then. They did great harmonies. It reminded me very much of
The Beatles,"
he said.

Sheridan said he wants to record more material with
The Innocents and perform in Tasmania.


================

Now see, you can wait over 40 years, to 'hear' how a long range plan is being worked and tweeked.

First thing i noticed was the mentioning
of CONWAY TWITTY..

That name TWITTY is very rare.

http://www.exposetheleft.com/images/btwittybtaruba.JPG

BETH TWITTY

Her daughter Natalee was seduced in a CASINO
and after that most probably RAPED and KILLED.

http://www.annointed.net/photopost/d...eeholloway.jpg

So just look at that name.
CONWAY TWITTY.

HolloWAY and ConWAY.
and it were CON man behind it.
Not the usual conmen but the more dangerous ones, the
ones that pose as DECENT citizens.

And Holloway and Maddie Mccann are closely connected.
So this TASMANIAN story most certainly is an
important message.

Tasmanie or van DIEMENS LAND.
Diemen as DEMON.
hadn't thought of that but it's very true.
DIEMEN in Holland, named after Jan van Diemen.

[IMGhttp://www.soulsurvivor.nl/forum/images/avatars/27619282645f93ff12d22e.jpg[/IMG]

Road 112 to DIEMEN
European alarm number.


Diemen or DEMON.

DIEMEN is the most
dangerous town in Holland.


It's a wealthy suburb of Amsterdam, and a lot
of Criminals from Amsterdam have their appartment in
Diemen.
Saw it on Teletext, Diemen most dangerous....
Very surprised because it looks so peaceful.

Anyway, but the DEMON link is fitting.

http://www.rollingrains.com/archives...GO.DESKTOP.JPG

The biggest MASSACRE in australian history was in
Port Arthur.
Martin bryant was the patsy.

MARTIN. or MARTINI.
Tasmania is named after a GRONINGER and
Groningen City, is the MARTINI-City.

http://www.gensnet.nl/Diversefotos/dsc_0406.jpg

The famous MARTINI tower.
96 meters high.
So a MASSACRE in Port arthur.
So what place did the PRINCE OF ORANGE visited
while in tasmania?

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/photos/un...thurprins2.jpg

Willem alexander in
Port Arthur.


http://home.overflow.net.au/~nedwood/bryant1a.jpg

Martin Bryant.
Killed 35 people.
Well VERA, here is a bit of MAGIC you were asking for.

http://www.euronet.nl/users/pcmversc...de-potter.jpeg

HARRY POTTER, Dutch
prime minister, born the same
date as MARTIN BRYANT.


He is Jan Peter Balkenende and his nick
is Harry Potter.

the port atrhur Massacre was 28 april.
but when in Holland it's still partly 27 april at the same time.
The PRINCE of ORANGE is born 27 APRIL.

So just to give a bit of background info on
the DUTCH connection to Tasmania.

And the school Bryant went to is
Marcelinn College, run by the MARISTS.
that the SOCIETY of MARY.

Here we have that MARY link.
The Bloodline of MARY Magdalena.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Champagnat.jpg

MARCELINN CHAMPAGNAT.
born 20 MAY. 13 days after
the Massacre.
The thirteenth satanic Bloodline.


Just as in the Maddie McCann case.
All kinds of links to the MEROVINGIAN KING.

And what date did he die? Marcelinn Champagne?

JUNE 6. the same date
as when the OMEN was
released.


http://www.exfilm.net/uploads/posts/...6bd232f071.jpg

And keep in mind that MARY Donaldson is from TASMANIA.
M DONALD. The YELLOW M. Mac Donald.

And McDonald's? Hamburger!!
The BEATLES in HAMBURG.....

howie 17-10-2007 04:01 PM

Diemen in Holland is 80 miles from Ommen, where the films stunt director crashed his car & cut the passenger in half on Friday 13th, 66.6km from the town Ommen.

http://www.carlabaron.net/forum/showthread.php?t=325

vera susa 17-10-2007 04:23 PM

You know TASMANIA was just one location in OZ where there were plans
to set up The Jewish Homeland...and then there's also the BOXING KANGAROO and TASMANIAN DEVIL in Buggy Bunny, oh and that LITTLE PENGUIN that was always lost, another OZZIE Native. Yep TAZZIE, a fascinating place, and just so we don't forget it, the ABC is reminding us, again, tomorrow night, with.....

Tasmanian Devil:
The Fast And Furious Life Of Errol Flynn

8:30pm Thursday, 18 Oct 2007 Documentary
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/common/imag...742tasm_90.jpg

Featuring never before seen archival footage, photographs and interviews with famous contemporary Christopher Lee (Lord of the Rings),
legendary Hollywood writer/director Vincent Sherman,
and two of Errol Flynn's daughters -
all of whom speak candidly about his revolutionary sympathies
and journalistic ambitions as well as his decadent lifestyle -
this is Errol Flynn as we've never seen him before.

Born in Tasmania, Errol Flynn was the romantic star of dozens of
Hollywood action movies.
But from his troubled childhood in Hobart, to his escape from Australia
after stealing the diamonds of his society lover
, then his death at the age of fifty in the arms of his teenage mistress, his real life was far more adventurous than any of his films.

Notorious for his love affairs, scandals and rebellious nature,
Flynn was also an aspiring journalist and served as war correspondent
at several armed conflicts worldwide.
He even scooped the first interview with Fidel Castro after the Cuban revolution.

His journalism and his fleeting Academy Award nomination for his
performance in The Sun Also Rises were his greatest personal achievements.

When Flynn died of massive heart failure after many years of
alcohol and drug abuse he was completely broke.
The high life and maintenance payments to his three ex-wives
had squandered his Hollywood fortune, and he had been forced to sell
even his beloved yacht and Mulholland Farm.

Always determined to get the most out of life no matter the cost,
Flynn stated in one of his last interviews,
"I've had a hell of a lot of fun and I wouldn't change any of it,
not for a minute."

Tasmanian Devil follows Flynn's life every step of the way
as he traversed great highs and terrible lows, interviewing his friends,
studio colleagues and children for the first comprehensive picture of
this notorious star.

tintin 17-10-2007 04:38 PM

if you would want to summarize
all the secret messages then you
could say they are all pointing to the
coming of the ANTI-CHRIST, the MEROVINGIAN KING.

But it's all that comes with it.
The BIG CHAOS is what's coming with him

And that is more or less what they tell
you on that BBC page and elsewhere.

The chaos is coming closer and closer.
Tasmania and MARY Donaldson. The line of MARY.
The PRINCE of DENMARK. Hamlet.

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/kingbush_dees.jpg

From the Jeff Rense website.
A throne and a big W on that throne.
supposed to be BUSH's throne but I think
it's the W of WILLEM ALEXANDER.

http://www.siebeswart.nl/img/portfol...liofoto_49.jpg

This is the THRONE in the KNIGHT's HALL
in The Hague holland.

The parliament year is opened by the Queen with
a yearly speech.

http://home.kole.info/ettje/images/09858-600.jpg

Here you see an old speech and Queen Juliana.
Next on the right is BERNHARD.
An extremely evil man. And very proud of that as well.

In the second world war they captured a bunch of
collaborators, and they were brought to a trial.
But Bernhard who witnessed it, proposed to shoot
them immediately.

That kind of guy.

I think Queen Beatrix will step down soon and then the
the curent Prince will be the KING of ORANGE.
And ORANGE is on top.

that BEATLE TASMANIA connection.
The group ACDC is mentioned in that article.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0...1.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

AC DC.
washington DC.


DC is the fourth and the third letter.
43.
Washington 43.

We had a GEORGE as the first president and we will have a GEORGE
as the last.

Wahington is an
anagram for WAS NOTHING.


OK. America will be TERMINATED, hence the TERMINATOR in
SACRAMENTO. the last Sacrement.

But to come back to the AMERICAN PRESIDENT.
Technically George WAS-NOTHING wasn't the first president.

This was the first.

http://www.americaslibrary.gov/asset...ren_subj_e.jpg

MARTIN van BUREN

MARTIN like that MARTIN bryant. the Groningen connection
to Tasmania.
Dutchman. And what is the name Prince Alexander uses as
he goes incignito?

W.A. van BUREN

But that city of HAMBURG.
Home of the biggest newspaper in europe, the BILD ZEITUNG.
And home to the biggest postorder company in the World.
OTTO versand.
So an important MESSAGE town.

HANSESTADT HAMBURG.
HH Heil Hitler.
88.

ACDC
Angus and malcolm Young.
Go to wiki and you see this

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...2001-06-05.jpg

DC District of COLUMBIA.
Maddie McCann. look me in the EYES.

http://www.yaps4u.net/images/Madelei...B3/mccann2.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._right_eye.jpg

What do you see? A key.
A KEY from YALE.
District of COLUMBIA. Eye disease COLOBOMA

http://www.devonlocks.com/html/media...ics/4/yale.jpg

THE KEY MAN FROM YALE will unleash hell.....

tron 17-10-2007 04:59 PM

Tintin, you are on the button my friend, I like your style. :) Your up there with synergy for interesting posts. :D thanks!

Cx

tintin 17-10-2007 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by howie (Post 161429)
Diemen in Holland is 80 miles from Ommen, where the films stunt director crashed his car & cut the passenger in half on Friday 13th, 66.6km from the town Ommen.

http://www.carlabaron.net/forum/showthread.php?t=325

Some amazing facts in that link....

tintin 17-10-2007 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tron (Post 161469)
Tintin, you are on the button my friend, I like your style. :) Your up there with synergy for interesting posts. :D thanks!

Cx

Grazie molto!

mountain 17-10-2007 05:41 PM

Ouestion, TinTin!

I remember seeing someone posting info about Madeline's eye, being 7:00, but I think it is 5:00 (It's the right eye and mirrored).

Anyway, what does that mean?? Do you know? Thanx!

tintin 17-10-2007 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vera susa (Post 161442)
You know TASMANIA was just one location in OZ where there were plans
to set up The Jewish Homeland...and then there's also the BOXING KANGAROO and TASMANIAN DEVIL in Buggy Bunny, oh and that LITTLE PENGUIN that was always lost, another OZZIE Native. Yep TAZZIE, a fascinating place, and just so we don't forget it, the ABC is reminding us, again, tomorrow night, with.....

Tasmanian Devil:
The Fast And Furious Life Of Errol Flynn

8:30pm Thursday, 18 Oct 2007 Documentary
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/common/imag...742tasm_90.jpg

Featuring never before seen archival footage, photographs and interviews with famous contemporary Christopher Lee (Lord of the Rings),
legendary Hollywood writer/director Vincent Sherman,
and two of Errol Flynn's daughters -
all of whom speak candidly about his revolutionary sympathies
and journalistic ambitions as well as his decadent lifestyle -
this is Errol Flynn as we've never seen him before.

Born in Tasmania, Errol Flynn was the romantic star of dozens of
Hollywood action movies.
But from his troubled childhood in Hobart, to his escape from Australia
after stealing the diamonds of his society lover
, then his death at the age of fifty in the arms of his teenage mistress, his real life was far more adventurous than any of his films.

Notorious for his love affairs, scandals and rebellious nature,
Flynn was also an aspiring journalist and served as war correspondent
at several armed conflicts worldwide.
He even scooped the first interview with Fidel Castro after the Cuban revolution.

His journalism and his fleeting Academy Award nomination for his
performance in The Sun Also Rises were his greatest personal achievements.

When Flynn died of massive heart failure after many years of
alcohol and drug abuse he was completely broke.
The high life and maintenance payments to his three ex-wives
had squandered his Hollywood fortune, and he had been forced to sell
even his beloved yacht and Mulholland Farm.

Always determined to get the most out of life no matter the cost,
Flynn stated in one of his last interviews,
"I've had a hell of a lot of fun and I wouldn't change any of it,
not for a minute."

Tasmanian Devil follows Flynn's life every step of the way
as he traversed great highs and terrible lows, interviewing his friends,
studio colleagues and children for the first comprehensive picture of
this notorious star.

http://www.seeing-stars.com/Images/S...ErrolFlynn.JPG

Errol flynn died 14 October.
That's one day after TEMPLARS day.

http://www.thecollectorzone.com/imag...cts/1016_l.jpg

SIMON TEMPLAR aka ROGER MOORE was
born that date.

Now checked Errol Flynn on Wiki and saw that
Errol Flynn played a part in the AVIATOR.
The movie about Howard Hughes.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...tor_poster.JPG

Now look how many links there are to MADELEINE Mccann.
The movie the AVIATIOR.

LEONARDO DIcaprio.

He was named LEONARDO because he started kicking,
when his mother was pregnant, in front of
a LEONARDO DA VINCI painting.

All rubbish of course but it sounds great.
LEONARDO and LEONARDO DA VINCI.

In the MADELEINE McCann thread you can read about the
enormous importance of LEONARDO DA VINCI.
The BLOODLINE of JESUS and MARIA MAGDALENA.

Madeleine McCann was 1452 days old when she dissapeared.
Da Vinci was born 1452.

But back to the AVIATOR.

http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpap...lanchett_3.jpg

CATE blanchett played Katherine Hepburn.
the mother of Madeleine is KATE.
So a CATE and a KATE.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ry_trailer.jpg

And another KAT. Katherine hepburn

KAT HEPBURN, born the
same date as
MADELEINE McCann.


Cate blanchett born 14 may. Two days after Maddie.
CATE, KAT, And KATE.
The three CATS of Anne Frank. MMM
(See the Maddie thread)

HOWARD HUGHES, the AVIATOR.
Was married to Jean PETERS

Jean Peters died
13 October Templars day.


Errol flynn was played by Jude Law in the movie.
But we have seen the ERROL FLYNN/TEMPLAR connection.

SIMON TEMPLAR, ROGER MOORE.

http://www.whirligig-tv.co.uk/tv/chi...vanhoe_col.jpg

ROGER MOORE is IVANHOE.


loads of links from TEMPLAR James Bond, to Maddie Mccann

And you have seen the link from CATE Blanchett to Madeleine.
So where does CATE come from?

http://www.ivanhoegolf.com.au/images/IvanhoeWelcome.jpg

CATE Blanchett from
IVANHOE, Australia.

tintin 17-10-2007 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountain (Post 161508)
Ouestion, TinTin!

I remember seeing someone posting info about Madeline's eye, being 7:00, but I think it is 5:00 (It's the right eye and mirrored).

Anyway, what does that mean?? Do you know? Thanx!

It could mean both.
This is how I see it.
The 7 link is very important.
See 007, James bond, the 777 bombings, etc, etc.

But I see in Maddie an annoucement.
a message that the MEROVINGIAN KING will arrive.
Supposedly from the JESUS/MAGDALENA bloodline.

The so called ANTI-christ merovingian King.
jesus mixed with satan.

Now the Anti-christ will mean DEATH.
Lot's of DEATH, death everywhere.
And 5 is the number of DEATH.
So two numbers. the SEVEN for perfection, and the 5 for DEATH.
Because for SATAN DEATH is Perfection.

Yes, could very wel mean both.
Have also thought about 19, as 7 O'Clock is also 19 O'Clock.

http://www.vangelismovements.com/ItsFiveOClockFB.jpg

It's five O'Clock.
Five hours is 300 minutes and 18000 seconds.
18 = 6+6+6.
So APHRODITE's CHILD and FIVE O'Clock.

The coming of the ANTI-CHRIST. The NUMBER 666.

http://elsew.com/data/666vc_b.jpg

Songs composed by an ANGEL. VANGELIS.
The ANGEL Gabriel and CHRIST.
in the big Madeleine thread I have posted lot's about the
GABRIEL links to Madeleine McCann.

Yep, 5 O'Clock.

vera susa 17-10-2007 06:19 PM

Now those of you who knew me from The Unhived Mind,
may have noticed that I 'have a thing about'
CARDINAL GEORGE PELL,
from the place of
The EUREKA REBELLION,
THE SOVERIEGN CITY
of
THE GOLDEN TRIANGLE,
HOME of IBM,
BALLARAT, VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA.

Created and proclaimed Cardinal by John Paul II
in the consistory of 21 October 2003,
of the Title of S. Maria Domenica Mazzarello
(St. Mary Domenica Mazzarello).
.

He's said to have been
the man that pushed for
RATZINGER to be elected POPE


Well old Ratty's in the news again....but there's a bloody big hole....

Pope Benedict names 23 cardinals, 18 "electors"

Wed 17 Oct 2007, 12:03 GMT

By Philip Pullella

VATICAN CITY, Oct 17 (Reuters) -
Pope Benedict on Wednesday named 23 new Roman Catholic cardinals, including an Iraqi, two Americans and others from around the world
in choices he said reflected the universal nature of the 1.1-billion-member Church.

Eighteen of the 23 are under 80 years old and thus would be able to
enter a conclave to elect Benedict's successor after his death.

Five are over 80 and would be barred for reasons of age.

"Their selection well reflects the universality of the Church," Benedict told pilgrims and tourists during his weekly general audience in St Peter's Square.

Cardinals, the red-hatted "princes" of the Church, are the Pope's closest aides. They lead major dioceses around the world, head Vatican departments and advise him on matters affecting everything from faith to finances.

The new "cardinal electors", who are under 80 years old, come from Italy, Argentina, the United States, Germany, Poland, Spain, Ireland, France, Senegal, India, Mexico, Brazil and Kenya.

The ceremony to install the cardinals, known as a consistory, will be held on Nov. 24 at the Vatican, the Pope said.

One of the new cardinals is Emmanuel III Delly, an Iraqi who is Patriarch of Babylon of the Chaldeans.

Although he has just turned 80 and would not be able to enter a conclave, the honour given to Delly by raising him to the elite ranks of the Church appeared to be an attempt by the Pope to support the Christian minority
in Iraq and the Middle East.

CHRISTIAN EXODUS FROM MIDDLE EAST

The Chaldeans are Iraq's biggest Christian group. The Chaldean rite is one of the ancient rites of the Catholic Church, in full communion with Rome.
Many Iraqi Chaldeans have emigrated since the war in Iraq started.

Delly has frequently warned that the Middle East, the birthplace of Christianity, could soon be emptied of its Christians because so many
were emigrating to escape the violence there.

It was the second time since his election in April 2005 that the Pope has named new cardinals to put his conservative stamp on the Church.
The first was in March last year when he installed 15.

The new "electors" include Archbishop John Patrick Foley, a former Vatican official from the United States, Daniel N. DiNardo, Archbishop of Galveston-Houston, and Archbishop Paul Joseph Cordes, a German based in the Vatican.

Archbishops Andre Vingt-Trois of Paris, Oswald Gracias of Bombay, Francisco Robles Ortega of Monterrey, Mexico, John Njue of Nairobi and Sean Baptist Brady -- Archbishop of Armagh and Primate of All Ireland -- will also be electors.

Church law sets a ceiling of 120 on the number of so-called
"cardinal electors".

Benedict said he was bending the rule temporarily
to have 121 cardinal electors for a period.


After next month's consistory, the total number of cardinals in the Church -- over and under 80 -- will be 202.

Benedict's predecessor John Paul broke the ceiling on cardinal electors
several times, but deaths and 80th birthdays soon brought the number back to 120 or fewer.

There is no limit to the number of cardinals over the age of 80.

Pope John Paul held nine consistories during his 26-year reign
and created more than 200 cardinals.
All but 2 of the prelates who entered the conclave following his death
in April, 2005 had been made cardinals by him.

(Additional reporting by Tom Heneghan in Paris)


But, this is where it get 'curious'.....


http://www.vatican.va/news_services/...stampa3_en.jpg
The College of Cardinals

Biographical notes

[Updated: 19.09.2007]

List of Cardinals electors



(scroll down to "P")
http://www.vatican.va/news_services/...grafie_en.html

PANAFIEU Bernard [English, Italian]
PELL George [English,
http://www.vatican.va/news_services/...pell_g_en.html
Italian]
PENGO Polycarp [English, Italian]
PHAM MINH MÂN Jean-Baptiste [English, Italian]
POLETTO Severino [English, Italian]
POUPARD Paul [English, Italian]
PUJATS Jānis [English, Italian]
PULJIĆ Vinko [English, Italian]


The College of Cardinals

Biographical notes

[Updated: 16.10.2007]

List of Cardinals electors


(scroll down to "P")
http://www.vatican.va/news_services/...grafie_en.html

PASKAI László, O.F.M. [English, Italian]
NO PELL!?!
HE AIN'T 80 or DEAD, so...????

PHAM DÌNH TUNG Paul Joseph [English, Italian]
PIMENTA Simon Ignatius [English, Italian]
PIOVANELLI Silvano [English, Italian]
POGGI Luigi [English, Italian]



So O.K., I've looked, and looked but can't find any 'rule'
or explanation for this 'typo', 'over-sight' (yeah, as if!),
FROM THE HOLY SEE PRESS OFFICE.

Oh and why did I finally ASK to be banned from
The Unhived Mind?

"CRAIG OXLEY/ERIC JON PHELPS"
the 'great' VATICAN 'exposer/s',
would NOT (could not?)
acknowledge ANY SIGNIFICANCE about
the role BALLARAT Boy, GEORGE PELL plays in
the CATHOLIC CONSPIRACY...
let alone answer my repeated requests
to look into the many leads I gave them,
and publicly share what I can't.

So now, the question is:
"WHO'S SIDE IS PELL ON?"

tintin 17-10-2007 06:45 PM

Bush warns
nuclear-armed IRAN
could mean WW 3.


http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/125948.html

The drums of war are getting louder and louder.
One little "staged" incident and it starts....

vera susa 17-10-2007 06:54 PM

I came to recall, and post this little detail earlier, from tintin's 3M connection:

.....the AIRSHIP Industry taking off again, and that
LEONARDO Di CAPRIO movie, "The Aviator", which ended with the successful flight of his (HOWARD HUGES, who made his early fortune in WEST AUSTRALIAN MINING), the biggest ever, FLYING BOAT.


and his last post just reminded me of:

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200710/r191436_721184.jpg
Cate Blanchett as Elizabeth I.

but this is what always kept happening on that 'other site'.
There we are, on opposite sides of the world,
from opposite walks of life,
one working on news,
another on sport,
and yet at the same time, we'd fall over the same, obscure connections.

It's just too impossibly hard to AVOID finding that;
"ALL ROADS LEAD TO....OZ[ION]"...PARTICULARLY, those 'ROMAN Roads'!

No bloody wonder that EVIL ANTI-CHRIST, ERIC JON PHELPS,
NEVER DARED to give me one of his condescending lectures,
about 'needing to learn more', let alone answer ANY of my questions.

on the road 17-10-2007 07:01 PM

interesting reading .well done tintin and vera suza

I'm scanning the news in a whole different way now:cool:

2013 17-10-2007 07:14 PM

john dee
 
apologies if this has been posted somwhere in connection with this before such a lot of material on the subject in different threads .
http://www.sirbacon.org/links/dblohseven.html
Dee has been defamed through the centuries as a necromancer, but it's the opinion of many writers that his angelic-cabalistic- alchemical work, his Philosophers Stone, the"Monad Hieroglyphica"(1564) may have been a cover for covert operations carried on in the name of her majesty. The 007 was the insignia number that Elizabeth was to use for private communiques between her Court and Dee.
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2089/007ay5.jpg

Dee signed his letters with two circles symbolising his own two eyes and indicating that he was the secret eyes of the Queen.The two circles are guarded by what may be considered a square root sign or an elongated seven. For Dee, seven was a sacred cabbalistic and lucky number.(Richard Deacon)

The Earl of Leicester, Robert Dudley (the Queen's favorite), was the first man, according to Dodd to license a band of players for dramatic purposes. Without a license, acting was illegal in Elizabeth's England. It was through Leicester's sphere of influence, that a young Francis Bacon had developed interest in drama and the theater while getting the opportunity to know James Burbage, the first man to build a theater in England. Bacon would also get to meet in the Court circles the man who had tutored Leicester and advised Elizabeth on matters of state -the man whom Ian Fleming modeled his 007 James Bond character on, the first and perhaps the best secret agent of the crown, Dr.John Dee.
Makes you wonder about the wording of acts of parliment or acting on behalf of the crown !:D Not forgettign that Roger Moore as well as being the saint simon templar was also Lord Brett Sinclair in The Persuaders .St clairs being the guardians of Rosslyn chapel and the secrets there .

2013 17-10-2007 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vera susa (Post 161571)

and his last post just reminded me of:

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200710/r191436_721184.jpg
Cate Blanchett as Elizabeth I.



.

good synchro
http://www.sirbacon.org/links/dblohseven.html
Elizabeth was very much interested in the occult. Dee was responsible for choosing the most auspicious date for Elizabeth's coronation which was on January 15th, 1559. The Queen was so impressed by Dee that she eventually travelled with her court to Mortlake, for the purpose of seeing his great library.
http://www.twistedtree.org.uk/JohnDee.htm
Dr John Dee was born in 1527 in the village of Mortlake (mort = death )which is situated by the Thames outside London,
John Dee (July 13, 1527 - December, 1608) any significance in those dates ?

2013 17-10-2007 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vera susa (Post 160605)
In 1960 he was the first English musician to play in Hamburg, Germany,
where he was supported by The Beatles.

The Liverpool lads lived with Sheridan for several months,
during which time they nicknamed him "the Teacher".


Sheridan and The Beatles went into Hamburg's Friedrich-Ebert Halle
to make the first Beatles record, My Bonnie, in June 1961.

.

I seem to recal hearing stories of john lennon supposedly killing someone back in germany in the early days but cant find any reference to it ,hasanyone else heard this rumour ?

vera susa 17-10-2007 07:50 PM

And there again, while I'm making my RATTY/PELL post that includes:


The ceremony to install the cardinals, known as a consistory,
will be held on Nov. 24 at the Vatican, the Pope said.

One of the new cardinals is
Emmanuel III Delly,
an Iraqi who is Patriarch of
Babylon of the Chaldeans.


Although he has just turned 80 and would not be able to enter a conclave, the honour given to Delly by raising him to the elite ranks of the Church appeared to be an attempt by the Pope to support the Christian minority
in Iraq and the Middle East.

CHRISTIAN EXODUS FROM MIDDLE EAST

The Chaldeans are Iraq's biggest Christian group.
The Chaldean rite is one of the ancient rites of the Catholic Church,
in full communion with Rome
.
Many Iraqi Chaldeans have emigrated since the war in Iraq started.

Delly has frequently warned that the Middle East, the birthplace of Christianity, could soon be emptied of its Christians because so many
were emigrating to escape the violence there.



tintin is posting:


The coming of the ANTI-CHRIST. The NUMBER 666.

http://elsew.com/data/666vc_b.jpg


And remember guys, that it's The FALSE PROPHET
who LEADS MANKIND TO WORSHIP THE BEAST
AND
IT'S "THE WHORE" THEY DESTROY,
so it's those ANTI-CATHOLIC/ANTI-CHRISTIANITY Preachers/Prophets,
you really do need to STOP FOLLOWING when you come out for "HER".

tintin 17-10-2007 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2013 (Post 161598)
apologies if this has been posted somwhere in connection with this before such a lot of material on the subject in different threads .
http://www.sirbacon.org/links/dblohseven.html
Dee has been defamed through the centuries as a necromancer, but it's the opinion of many writers that his angelic-cabalistic- alchemical work, his Philosophers Stone, the"Monad Hieroglyphica"(1564) may have been a cover for covert operations carried on in the name of her majesty. The 007 was the insignia number that Elizabeth was to use for private communiques between her Court and Dee.
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2089/007ay5.jpg

Dee signed his letters with two circles symbolising his own two eyes and indicating that he was the secret eyes of the Queen.The two circles are guarded by what may be considered a square root sign or an elongated seven. For Dee, seven was a sacred cabbalistic and lucky number.(Richard Deacon)

The Earl of Leicester, Robert Dudley (the Queen's favorite), was the first man, according to Dodd to license a band of players for dramatic purposes. Without a license, acting was illegal in Elizabeth's England. It was through Leicester's sphere of influence, that a young Francis Bacon had developed interest in drama and the theater while getting the opportunity to know James Burbage, the first man to build a theater in England. Bacon would also get to meet in the Court circles the man who had tutored Leicester and advised Elizabeth on matters of state -the man whom Ian Fleming modeled his 007 James Bond character on, the first and perhaps the best secret agent of the crown, Dr.John Dee.
Makes you wonder about the wording of acts of parliment or acting on behalf of the crown !:D Not forgettign that Roger Moore as well as being the saint simon templar was also Lord Brett Sinclair in The Persuaders .St clairs being the guardians of Rosslyn chapel and the secrets there .

JAMES BOND and
The EARL of LEICESTER.


In the big Maddie thread i have posted countless links
from james bond to Madeleine.
Rothley, hometown of the Mccanns, Templar Town
Just a few miles north of LEICESTER.
Gerry McCann works as a cardiologist in LEICESTER.
And how about this.

A movie based on an AGATHA CHRISTIE detective.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Paddington.jpg

ROTHLEY STATION was
used for this movie.


The book was also named

WHAT Mrs McGillycuddy SAW.


So we have MAC and see SAW something.

The EYES of MAC cann.

Leicester and Aleister.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...er_Crowley.jpg

ALEISTER CROWLEY's first wife
came from PADDINGTON.


and when we go to wiki and paddiington,
what do we see?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...OldSection.jpg

St MARY's Hospital.
Yes, and that Hospital is operated by
the imperial college healtcare NHS trust

WHICH also operates
the WESTERN EYE HOSPITAL.

Specialized in EYE diseases.

The EYE disease of MADELEINe

MADELEINE McCann. Maria Magdalena.
Virgin Mary, Paddington, Alistair Crowley and
Agatha Christie.

WHO DUNNIT?


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