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size_of_light 05-07-2017 11:45 AM

New Patterson-Gimlin Film Enhancement - Teeth, Areola and Nips Visible
 
To commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Patterson-Gimlin Bigfoot film, MK Davis has posted some fascinating new digital enhancements that bring out hitherto (is that a word?) unseen details.

Patty seems to be far less hairy than it previously appeared.

Her teeth, her Jada Fire-sized areola and her nipples also seem to be visible.

MK also reveals that a certain high-profile version of the famous frame 352 has been airbrushed to distort and conceal the true appearance of the figure in the film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34Kjt9Os8uY

techman 17-07-2017 10:39 AM

That film is the definitive Bigfoot film. How anyone can still call that piece of film fake, or rather the creature, is beyond me, when it clearly is real.

There's another excellent Bigfoot video analyser by the name of Bigfoot Tony. Does some excellent work of dissecting many Bigfoot videos to determine whether he thinks they are hoaxes, misidentifications or a real Bigfoot. I think the Patterson/Gimlin film has been done to death. I don't know how much you can do with that film considering its quality. I think some Bigfoot researchers become a little obsessed with it.

size_of_light 15-08-2017 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by techman (Post 1062944024)
That film is the definitive Bigfoot film. How anyone can still call that piece of film fake, or rather the creature, is beyond me, when it clearly is real.

There's another excellent Bigfoot video analyser by the name of Bigfoot Tony. Does some excellent work of dissecting many Bigfoot videos to determine whether he thinks they are hoaxes, misidentifications or a real Bigfoot. I think the Patterson/Gimlin film has been done to death. I don't know how much you can do with that film considering its quality. I think some Bigfoot researchers become a little obsessed with it.

Will check out this Bigfoot Tony dude, thanks for the tip.

I think the Patterson Gimlin film will remain the most valuable visual evidence because it was recorded on film.

Any video that shows up in the future will always be suspect due to the ease with which it might have been faked with digital effects software.

My take on Bigfoot is pretty much in line with that of researcher and author Nick Redfern.

People are genuinely seeing these creatures but it is very unlikely that they are just some form of undiscovered primate lumbering about the woods. Their uncanny ability to evade detection suggests they have some kind of ethereal quality, as Native American, Australian Aboriginal and other indigenous cultures assert.

This is why I find the PG film so fascinating. The more details that are revealed, the more clear it becomes that we're looking at an actual flesh and blood creature, which is a head-spinning thing to contemplate when you're convinced it isn't a wholly physical being.

techman 16-01-2018 10:01 AM

To be honest, I much prefer the research of Bigfoot Tony, primarily because he seems to use logic and common sense when looking for key signs in the videos he's analysing, and he carefully looks through every possible detail he can to determine whether what the videoer or witness saw was just merely the effect of paradolia creating an illusion of a figure, or whether the figure moves according to known Bigfoot traits. All the other researchers of analysing videos of this nature, and im sorry to be blunt here, tend to be Americans (not surprising of course), and for me they tend to jump to conclusions and exaggerate alot. I think Bigfoot Tony seems to have the knack in spotting what's possibly real evidence and what's likely just a bloke in a suit or stationary object (ie tree stump etc) - either intentional or accidental by the photographer. One video I liked of his, which he did a good job of unravelling and showing what likely was filmed, was a video taken in the deep south (Mississippi I think), which claimed to show a deer being drowned by a Sasquatch. Bigfoot Tony, after carefully doing a thorough analysis of the video, felt that the creature splashing in the water was likely an Alligator, given the characteristics and details he noticed. Bigfoot Tony, as well as fellow researchers of his, seems pretty convinced a Bigfoot type Wild man exists in the UK. I'm in agreement with him there as there seems to be more evidence coming forward (albeit in very tiny dribs and drabs) of eyewitnesses, and more so of people documenting Bigfoot type tree structures. I saw a very unusual display of trees and branches made into a structure in my local woods over year ago, very like the reported Sasquatch tree structures. I mentioned this on the British Bigfoot Research site, but for some reason I never got an answer as to whether it could possible by a tree structure or just bush craft, fallen trees or kids making them. To me though they looked very odd, and I've never seen anything remotely like it before or since, and I traverse this woods on an almost weekly basis but never see trees or branches laid up in a structure like that.

As for video and photo fakery, I hear that lots and lots in regards to modern computer technology, and to be honest I find the whole "anything can be faked these days with video equipment...all you need is a computer with Photoshop or After Effects" annoying. Yes it can but with what software?. I have used programmes like Adobe Premiere and After Affects (the ones debunkers etc claim are valuable resources for fakes), and I'll tell you now that it is not easy to fake stuff using those software programmes, in fact you'd find it very hard to achieve anything realistic enough that will fool anyone. They are not easy things to use, nor are they these state of the art programmes most people think they are. Unless you're a true expert on such software and know the ins and outs of manipulating imagery, using chroma keying, key frames, etc, you'd really struggle to create anything beyond a simple object moving from left to right using key frames. And you cannot create very convincing CGI style effects using After Effects or Premiere or even Photoshop. The sophisticated graphics that are often used in TV adverts (there are some mind blowing effects used to promote a furniture store) these days are truly light years beyond what After Effects or any other similar program can do, and these things will not be available to the public. The stuff you can do on your home PC using a £1,000 Adobe Suite package will likely be equivalent to the graphics the TV studios etc where doing in the 80s. If anyone's faking footage that's truly fooling anyone (on an amateur level) then I doubt they're using Adobe After Effects or Photoshop. Photoshop is easy to fake imagery provided you've had lots of experience, but faking video is a different thing altogether.

massie20000 16-01-2018 08:41 PM

thank you for sharing this! very interesting

size_of_light 17-01-2018 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by techman (Post 1062991898)
If anyone's faking footage that's truly fooling anyone (on an amateur level) then I doubt they're using Adobe After Effects or Photoshop. Photoshop is easy to fake imagery provided you've had lots of experience, but faking video is a different thing altogether.

Right. And there probably are some really good digital artists out there fooling people just for kicks, but I suspect most of the sophisticated fakery is being done on the level of intelligence agencies for a variety of reasons.

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In my OP, I mentioned that Patty's areola and nipples are visible, but after a quick review of the MK Davis video just now, I'm not sure he specifically went into this, so here is the breakdown of my observations...

I mentioned that Patty appears to have 'Jada Fire-sized areola'. For those unfamiliar, Jada Fire is a (now-retired) adult actress.

Here is a comparison that may help you see the mammary gland resemblance:

http://i66.tinypic.com/kedjeh.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/a2ej9h.jpg


Arrow no. 1 in the below enlargements is pointing to the curved upper edge of the areola of both ladies.

Arrow no. 2 is pointing to the position of their nipples. Patty's nipples look swollen in comparison. Perhaps she is lactating or considerably older than her human counterpart.

http://i68.tinypic.com/33e0e9v.jpg

Upon closer inspection, it seems likely to me that we can actually see Patty's nipple-opening, in the same way that Jada's milkhole is prominently visible.

http://i66.tinypic.com/2yl1q14.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/2r4ln28.jpg

size_of_light 29-01-2018 01:42 PM

Patterson Bigfoot Film with High Quality Frames

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ngVH-7tMpjo" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

don coyote 20-09-2018 11:21 PM

Two words,......... Bob.......Hieronimus. :cheerleader:

size_of_light 22-09-2018 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by don coyote (Post 1063041634)
Two words,......... Bob.......Hieronimus. :cheerleader:

Yeah, no.

And then there's the other guy who claimed to be involved in a hoax, and says he made the suit, Phillip Morris.

Since the separate hoaxers contradict one another in their explanations for the origin and the design of the alleged suit, AT LEAST one of them is lying.

They both are.

don coyote 23-09-2018 01:45 AM

I love the fact that these mysteries exist and we all connect and communicate so many different points-of-view in their wake. It really doesn't matter if they're real or fake..... as long as we don't take them TOO seriously, that they drive us to ruin by our own obsession. I don't believe in Bigfoot. Other people do. That's fine. Someday, perhaps, we will have 100% fact-based confirmation. Until then....... we have a good balance. (Lets keep it up). :peace:

size_of_light 28-09-2018 10:32 AM

http://i67.tinypic.com/24dmseq.jpg

Looks EXACTLY like Bitey.

Quote:

Hunt for the Skinwalker

Based on the best-selling book by George Knapp & Dr. Colm Kelleher, Hunt for The Skinwalker investigates the confidential, most extensive scientific study of a paranormal hotspot in human history. Skinwalker Ranch in Utah is famous throughout the world because of the myriad of frightening, seemingly supernatural events that have been reported in the scenic basin surrounding the property for hundreds of years. Sightings include orbs, UFOs, animal mutilations, unknown creatures, poltergeist-type activity, and many other inexplicable incidents.

An exhaustive, multidisciplinary scientific study began in 1996, spearheaded by an enigmatic Las Vegas billionaire. A team of PhD-level investigators was deployed to collect evidence and spent more than a decade on the ground, interviewing witnesses, searching for explanations, and directly confronting an unknown intelligence.

Recent headlines have revealed that a second, government-funded but confidential study was initiated by the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). This second investigation was designed to determine if the phenomena at the ranch might have national security implications or could point to technological breakthroughs. The shroud of mystery hanging above Skinwalker Ranch and the Uintah Basin has fascinated director Jeremy Corbell for years.

He finally journeyed to the property to interview eyewitnesses - including the new owner of the ranch - and uncover rare, previously unreleased recordings. Internationally-known singer Robbie Williams, with a lifelong interest in paranormal phenomena, is one of the few outsiders allowed to accompany the documentary team in visiting the ranch.

https://itunes.apple.com/au/movie/hu...ign-mpt=uo%3D4

decim 29-09-2018 08:35 AM

Thanks sol.

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Originally Posted by size_of_light (Post 1063042492)
http://i67.tinypic.com/24dmseq.jpg

Looks EXACTLY like Bitey.


decim 30-09-2018 10:15 AM

Watched this last night.
Very disapponting, nothing burger.


Hunt for the Skinwalker

Based on the best-selling book by George Knapp & Dr. Colm Kelleher, Hunt for The Skinwalker investigates the confidential, most extensive scientific study of a paranormal hotspot in human history. Skinwalker Ranch in Utah is famous throughout the world because of the myriad of frightening, seemingly supernatural events that have been reported in the scenic basin surrounding the property for hundreds of years. Sightings include orbs, UFOs, animal mutilations, unknown creatures, poltergeist-type activity, and many other inexplicable incidents.

An exhaustive, multidisciplinary scientific study began in 1996, spearheaded by an enigmatic Las Vegas billionaire. A team of PhD-level investigators was deployed to collect evidence and spent more than a decade on the ground, interviewing witnesses, searching for explanations, and directly confronting an unknown intelligence.

Recent headlines have revealed that a second, government-funded but confidential study was initiated by the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). This second investigation was designed to determine if the phenomena at the ranch might have national security implications or could point to technological breakthroughs. The shroud of mystery hanging above Skinwalker Ranch and the Uintah Basin has fascinated director Jeremy Corbell for years.

He finally journeyed to the property to interview eyewitnesses - including the new owner of the ranch - and uncover rare, previously unreleased recordings. Internationally-known singer Robbie Williams, with a lifelong interest in paranormal phenomena, is one of the few outsiders allowed to accompany the documentary team in visiting the ranch.

https://itunes.apple.com/au/movie/hu...ign-mpt=uo%3D4

size_of_light 06-10-2018 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by decim (Post 1063042675)
Watched this last night.
Very disapponting, nothing burger.

Really?

Nothing new in it?

Do you think a newcomer to the topic would find it interesting?

decim 07-10-2018 09:29 AM

Yes.
No.
Probably.
Quote:

Originally Posted by size_of_light (Post 1063043458)
Really?

Nothing new in it?

Do you think a newcomer to the topic would find it interesting?


Have you seen it sol?

size_of_light 10-10-2018 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by decim (Post 1063043532)
Have you seen it sol?

Will check it out this weekend.

The filmmaker, Jeremy Corbell, is George Knapp's protege.

There's this, the earlier Patient X alien implant documentary, and the upcoming Bob Lazar movie from Corbell that seem to form a trilogy of films that are part of the whole 'UFO Disclosure' thing that kicked off in December last year.

I haven't heard it, but apparently Knapp had David Paulides on Coast to Coast a few nights/a week ago and Knapp dropped a 'bombshell' on Paulides that someone high up in the government 'who knows more about the UFO thing than anyone' confirmed that Paulides was 'on to something.'

More of the unfolding part reality/part psyop disclosure theatre thing for sure, but interesting nontheless...

decim 10-10-2018 03:18 PM

I agree sol it is very interesting, if lacking substance.

Whether anything 'tangible' emerges from this latest round of 'disclosure' other than words, grainy video, photographs and talking heads, accompanied by I was told A, B and C by an 'insider' anecdotes, remains to be seen.



Any one interested in watching the Hunt for the Skinwalker, it is available to download from 'certain sources' for free although not widely last time I looked.

Quote:

Originally Posted by size_of_light (Post 1063044100)
Will check it out this weekend.

The filmmaker, Jeremy Corbell, is George Knapp's protege.

There's this, the earlier Patient X alien implant documentary, and the upcoming Bob Lazar movie from Corbell that seem to form a trilogy of films that are part of the whole 'UFO Disclosure' thing that kicked off in December last year.

I haven't heard it, but apparently Knapp had David Paulides on Coast to Coast a few nights/a week ago and Knapp dropped a 'bombshell' on Paulides that someone high up in the government 'who knows more about the UFO thing than anyone' confirmed that Paulides was 'on to something.'

More of the unfolding part reality/part psyop disclosure theatre thing for sure, but interesting nontheless...


don coyote 21-10-2018 09:53 PM

No matter HOW MUCH BETTER resolution they are ever able to make the Patterson film..... those Hairy Boobs are SO in the wrong place. They are WAY too far south. They appear to be engorged, which would reveal that "Bigfoot" has recently become a Mother. NO mammal on Earth has enlarged breasts until AFTER giving birth, except for Humans. Human females are the ONLY species that has big boobs BEFORE giving birth. My Mom is 79 years old and HER boobs get caught, sometimes, in her pants zipper..... but they still START much higher on her chest. Roger Patterson and Bob Hieronimus' boobs appear to start at the BOTTOM of "Bigfoot's" ribcage. Looks TOTALLY non-anatomical. *facepalm*

don coyote 21-10-2018 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by techman (Post 1062944024)
That film is the definitive Bigfoot film. How anyone can still call that piece of film fake, or rather the creature, is beyond me, when it clearly is real.

When a cadaver is discovered..... I'll be a believer. Until then,..... it's just a guy in a suit. (I have a bit of experience in that field, myself). :cool:

:D

size_of_light 22-10-2018 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by don coyote (Post 1063045622)
No matter HOW MUCH BETTER resolution they are ever able to make the Patterson film..... those Hairy Boobs are SO in the wrong place. They are WAY too far south. They appear to be engorged, which would reveal that "Bigfoot" has recently become a Mother. NO mammal on Earth has enlarged breasts until AFTER giving birth, except for Humans. Human females are the ONLY species that has big boobs BEFORE giving birth. My Mom is 79 years old and HER boobs get caught, sometimes, in her pants zipper..... but they still START much higher on her chest. Roger Patterson and Bob Hieronimus' boobs appear to start at the BOTTOM of "Bigfoot's" ribcage. Looks TOTALLY non-anatomical. *facepalm*

So you think that for Patty to have such pendulous, milk-engorged boobs, and also not still be pregnant, she would have to be human? Or...human-ish?

Is that right? Don't other mammalian females also have bursting udders after the drop? Cows do...

Anyway, I reckon she is human...ish! That's why so many people think it's fake; the experience of it is seeing a 'human', not an ape.

Funnily enough, it's only debunkers (and goobers) who strawman bigfoot as an undiscovered 'ape'; indigenous people on different continents clearly label these folk as another species of 'man'.


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