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revelations 25-02-2008 08:10 PM

Will You Take The Chip Or Die?
 
Im just curious ...one day the micro-chip will be compulsory, will you and your family take the chip and live happily ever after, or will you refuse the chip and face being taken off to concentration camps to be slaughtered ...along with your family?

This will be extra harder on those of you that have wives/ husbands/ kids!!!

nafenisr 25-02-2008 08:18 PM

I'm fully prepared right now for someone to put a gun to my head. "Chip or no chip"....."PULL THE TRIGGER, BITCH"

chandrakavi 25-02-2008 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revelations (Post 283064)
Im just curious ...one day the micro-chip will be compulsory, will you and your family take the chip and live happily ever after, or will you refuse the chip and face being taken off to concentration camps to be slaughtered ...along with your family?

This will be extra harder on those of you that have wives/ husbands/ kids!!!

Look at it possitively, they might even give you a cellphone if you buy a chip....:D
Seriously, I don't see how it can
be stopped. Wish there was a way.

armoured_amazon 25-02-2008 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nafenisr (Post 283072)
I'm fully prepared right now for someone to put a gun to my head. "Chip or no chip"....."PULL THE TRIGGER, BITCH"

Same here.

nafenisr 25-02-2008 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by armoured_amazon (Post 283086)
Same here.

It'd kinda be a relief, wouldn't it? To finally just say, "fuck it".

williammac 25-02-2008 08:45 PM

I'm sorry, but I can't answer either way. Both answers are defeatist no matter the level of personal martyrdom one may feel, or whether or not that martyrdom be considered patriotic or commendable.

What we are taking for granted is our ability to harness technology as well. Always, with new technology emerges new crime, whether those crimes be justified or not.

I believe that our only ability in the future to defend ourselves is not necessarily through physical strength or martyrdom, but through hacking. There are multitudes of people throughout the world right now that have the sleeping ability to take down nearly any satellite, governmental database, even the Federal Reserve itself. They don't get paid for it and they only would do such a thing would tyranny arise indefinitely.

Quite honestly, I do not think that even the wisest wise crackers in the IT sections of the biggest governmental organizations have the ability to counter the citizen hacker.

I believe that, along with understanding how to improvise in a mode of natural survival, we need to learn technology.

Do a little research on it.

We don't need to die -- we can trick it. We can dupe it.

Fuck, when an 11-year-old can knock a satellite on an alternate orbit as little as three years ago and confuse the FBI and CIA all to hell, then I'm not that worried.



-William
www.William-Mac.com
www.ThisWeekinTime.com

armoured_amazon 25-02-2008 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by nafenisr (Post 283095)
It'd kinda be a relief, wouldn't it? To finally just say, "fuck it".

Oh I'd put up a good fight and go down against my will but I refuse to take the chip. If it was inserted against my will I'd have no problem going in to retrieve it. In fact I was thinking about this last night....would a person be prepared to sever their hand if there was no easy way of extracting the implant?
Quote:

Originally Posted by williammac (Post 283105)
I'm sorry, but I can't answer either way. Both answers are defeatist no matter the level of personal martyrdom one may feel, or whether or not that martyrdom be considered patriotic or commendable.

What we are taking for granted is our ability to harness technology as well. Always, with new technology emerges new crime, whether those crimes be justified or not.

I believe that our only ability in the future to defend ourselves is not necessarily through physical strength or martyrdom, but through hacking. There are multitudes of people throughout the world right now that have the sleeping ability to take down nearly any satellite, governmental database, even the Federal Reserve itself. They don't get paid for it and they only would do such a thing would tyranny arise indefinitely.

Quite honestly, I do not think that even the wisest wise crackers in the IT sections of the biggest governmental organizations have the ability to counter the citizen hacker.

I believe that, along with understanding how to improvise in a mode of natural survival, we need to learn technology.

Do a little research on it.

We don't need to die -- we can trick it. We can dupe it.

Fuck, when an 11-year-old can knock a satellite on an alternate orbit as little as three years ago and confuse the FBI and CIA all to hell, then I'm not that worried.



-William
www.William-Mac.com
www.ThisWeekinTime.com

Excellent. :D

rynath 25-02-2008 08:50 PM

Do you guys ever wonder if you're chipped already? Cellphones, tvs, computers, cars, appliances, pdas...do we use anything that doesn't have a chip? Do they even need to put a chip in your body when you're surrounded by them all the time? Just typing out loud...and trying to stay awake at work :p

lizzy 25-02-2008 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chandrakavi (Post 283081)
Look at it possitively, they might even give you a cellphone if you buy a chip....:D
Seriously, I don't see how it can
be stopped. Wish there was a way.

LOL, chand....:)...

jusy a question of time , it will be required from birth.

armoured_amazon 25-02-2008 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rynath (Post 283113)
Do you guys ever wonder if you're chipped already? Cellphones, tvs, computers, cars, appliances, pdas...do we use anything that doesn't have a chip? Do they even need to put a chip in your body when you're surrounded by them all the time? Just typing out loud...and trying to stay awake at work :p

Hahaha yes, I've thought about that....I use so much technology that they know where I am 24/7...but I've also racked my brains to think about any noticeable lost time I have.

revolutionary_jam 25-02-2008 09:17 PM

Better to die standing than to live crawling on your knees...

3stepsahead 25-02-2008 09:25 PM

if you actually mean potato chips, yes i would probably take them.

handing the job of fighting chipping to hackers would be a sort of idiotic idea
since ther is alot of malicious activity amongst those.

lost of stuff are chipped there are talks of chips in certain consumer wares now like gilette but idk if thats a fact.
"all" people take mandatory shots at birth wich could be used (are being?)
to insertion. the processors are shrinking every day.

all i se is havoc when i think of thise things hehe.

and whats with all the killing?

chinchilla 25-02-2008 09:29 PM

Why don't you just get jobs in the fields that will be delivering this technology, therefor you can counter it? :p

beldazar 25-02-2008 09:32 PM

Personally I cant see the chip ever happening myself, though im pretty sure if we are forced to have it, there will be 'someone' who knows how to disable it. I have 2 boys and of course I would be worried! I dont really have many places to hide around here :(

catfood 25-02-2008 09:34 PM

Well I am the only one so far to take the chip.;)
My opinion is this if thay kill you your of no use to anyone and it is basically problem solved for TPB, if thay chip you you can still carry on trying to fight them the best you can.

indigo 25-02-2008 09:37 PM

I would take the chip rather than die:confused:Whats the fucking difference? jeez:rolleyes: so those who say 'no' would rather be dragged to their death? for waht? Im confused now. For principle? ha ha for them to kill you anyway. Someone help me out here, im trying to be logical:cool:

indigo 25-02-2008 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by catfood (Post 283157)
Well I am the only one so far to take the chip.;)
My opinion is this if thay kill you your of no use to anyone and it is basically problem solved for TPB, if thay chip you you can still carry on trying to fight them the best you can.

Cross posted with you. thank god I'm not alone here:D

steevo 25-02-2008 09:41 PM

I simply will not let them chip me. I dont know if that will involve me dying but there yer go....

indigo 25-02-2008 09:43 PM

I think alot of us have been chipped already to be honest, without knowing.

chinchilla 25-02-2008 09:43 PM

Another thing!

I feel the chip technology is great and the entire world needs to get chipped. I believe this is the next logical step in technological evolution.

Advantages:
  • Illness, accidents etc can be diagnosed faster by just having a scanner to scan the persons chip
  • Wouldn't need ID, passports, money... anything
  • Crimes would lessen, the only crimes would be hacking since robbery etc would be useless

But of course the people behind the agenda of the chipping are not the best candidates, if there was a good intention drive then this would be a great thing.

rynath 25-02-2008 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinchilla (Post 283151)
Why don't you just get jobs in the fields that will be delivering this technology, therefor you can counter it? :p

I used to. I started out in a cleanroom fab, wearing a bunny suit for 12 hours a day and processing the wafers. After that I ended up as a layout designer...drafting integrated circuits on a computer. Unfortunately if you slip up at all in that business you are out the door in no time. It's pricey stuff and they don't mess around. I'm not sure how to counter that type of industry even as an insider. I'm glad I'm not doing that type of work anymore.

nafenisr 25-02-2008 09:54 PM

[QUOTE=beldazar;283154]Personally I cant see the chip ever happening myself, though im pretty sure if we are forced to have it, there will be 'someone' who knows how to disable it. I have 2 boys and of course I would be worried! I dont really have many places to hide around here :([/QUOTE

the people that make the chips would be able to disable it at will. don't go along with the program? guess what, they'll shut your shit off making it useless when you go to buy something...or worse: they could use it to cause you physical harm.

nafenisr 25-02-2008 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinchilla (Post 283170)
Another thing!

I feel the chip technology is great and the entire world needs to get chipped. I believe this is the next logical step in technological evolution.

Advantages:
  • Illness, accidents etc can be diagnosed faster by just having a scanner to scan the persons chip
  • Wouldn't need ID, passports, money... anything
  • Crimes would lessen, the only crimes would be hacking since robbery etc would be useless

But of course the people behind the agenda of the chipping are not the best candidates, if there was a good intention drive then this would be a great thing.

*sighs*:(

beldazar 25-02-2008 09:57 PM

i dont agree with you chinchilla, i was already pissed off at having to have a card to take MY money out! Oh and to the last poster, (sorry i cant remember your name) I do try to look on the bright side.......:)

daveybpl 25-02-2008 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinchilla (Post 283170)
Another thing!

I feel the chip technology is great and the entire world needs to get chipped. I believe this is the next logical step in technological evolution.

Advantages:
  • Illness, accidents etc can be diagnosed faster by just having a scanner to scan the persons chip
  • Wouldn't need ID, passports, money... anything
  • Crimes would lessen, the only crimes would be hacking since robbery etc would be useless

Not enough advantages IMO, I'm not giving to give them the control of my emotions just so I don't need to carry a wallet about.

Fuck the Chip

http://www.wethepeoplewillnotbechipped.com

chinchilla 25-02-2008 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveybpl (Post 283193)
Not enough advantages IMO, I'm not giving to give them the control of my emotions just so I don't need to carry a wallet about.

Fuck the Chip

http://www.wethepeoplewillnotbechipped.com

I think it's good thing to happen, but should be choice. Not everyone has to get a credit card and this should be the same way. It should be used as a method to make things easier.

You carry money about which is in control of a lot of peoples emotions, especially when their willing to die for it. (Not saying you personally, I don't know you :p)

armoured_amazon 25-02-2008 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveybpl (Post 283193)
Not enough advantages IMO, I'm not giving to give them the control of my emotions just so I don't need to carry a wallet about.

Fuck the Chip

http://www.wethepeoplewillnotbechipped.com

Thanks for the link. :)

steevo 25-02-2008 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinchilla (Post 283170)
Another thing!

I feel the chip technology is great and the entire world needs to get chipped. I believe this is the next logical step in technological evolution.

Advantages:
  • Illness, accidents etc can be diagnosed faster by just having a scanner to scan the persons chip
  • Wouldn't need ID, passports, money... anything
  • Crimes would lessen, the only crimes would be hacking since robbery etc would be useless

But of course the people behind the agenda of the chipping are not the best candidates, if there was a good intention drive then this would be a great thing.

You have the chip then if you want it, go volenteer for it if you want to push it forward, I'm sure they will be happy to oblige :D

chinchilla 25-02-2008 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steevo (Post 283206)
You have the chip then if you want it, go volenteer for it if you want to push it forward, I'm sure they will be happy to oblige :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinchilla (Post 283170)
But of course the people behind the agenda of the chipping are not the best candidates, if there was a good intention drive then this would be a great thing.


:p

steevo 25-02-2008 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinchilla (Post 283208)
:p

You have listed what you think are the positive things of the microchipped population, now how about listing the negatives ?

indigo 25-02-2008 10:19 PM

But this thread is about 'Take the chip or die' And i would take the chip. But if this thread was called would you volunteer to be microchipped, the i would say 'no'

chinchilla 25-02-2008 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steevo (Post 283215)
You have listed what you think are the positive things of the microchipped population, now how about listing the negatives ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinchilla (Post 283170)
But of course the people behind the agenda of the chipping are not the best candidates


.....

Isn't that enough negative? o_O

cloudgazer 25-02-2008 10:20 PM

Hmm, I choose the neither option. I will run to the hills and hide till it all blows over :)

tinmenace 25-02-2008 10:20 PM

I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.



daveybpl 25-02-2008 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by armoured_amazon (Post 283201)
Thanks for the link. :)

No bother Miss Amazon.

No to ID cards aswell.

http://www.no2id.net/

steevo 25-02-2008 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinchilla (Post 283222)
.....

Isn't that enough negative? o_O

Not in my opinion no but each to his own (as long as you understand what you are getting yourself into which the vast populations dont IMO).

armoured_amazon 25-02-2008 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveybpl (Post 283227)
No bother Miss Amazon.

No to ID cards aswell.

http://www.no2id.net/

I have that one :) I just blogged the first one on myspace; I'll bulletin them too.

daveybpl 25-02-2008 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinchilla (Post 283222)
.....

Isn't that enough negative? o_O

eh no,

The chance that the chip could make you feel happy/sad/angry/apathetic and could take away your free will to think/do/say kinda plays on my mind just a little bit.

daveybpl 25-02-2008 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by armoured_amazon (Post 283232)
I have that one :) I just blogged the first one on myspace; I'll bulletin them too.


Yeah they seem to be good guys, only came accross them a couple of weeks ago. Going to give them a wee donation on pay day and find out when their Glasgow branch are meeting up again.

armoured_amazon 25-02-2008 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cloudgazer (Post 283224)
Hmm, I choose the neither option. I will run to the hills and hide till it all blows over :)

Good call! :D

LOL 'blows over'


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