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iamawaveofthesea 08-11-2016 07:42 PM

The race war
 
The idealism of the 1960's ended in the cynicism of vietnam and the manson family murders

Manson and his cult appear to be another MKUltra mind control programme as was jonestown which was famously shut down through a mass suicide event

The manson cult spoke about a race war they called 'helter skelter' and it might just be possible that they had some awareness of a wider agenda

Today as we watch europe being flooded with outsiders by george soros and fake-left minions like angela merkl the words of the coudenhove-kalergi plan suddenly come into sharper focus which involved a plan to create a mix race slave class who would be ruled over by a jewish el-ite (ie the central banking families) and the european aristocracy (ie the black nobility families who are close to the vatican)

Modern day spokespeople for this background plan such as UN migration chief Peter Sutherland have called for the undermining of the homogenity of nation states

There are a number of reasons why the capitalist el-ite would want this scenario. They have already dispossessed the public of most of their wealth through their neoliberal policies and through orchestrated boom and bust cycles and fake 'austerity' but now they wish to break the spirit of the people and this is done through destroying any sense of cohesive identity people have which enables them to stand united with the people around them

To achieve that the central banking cabal have to breakdown national sovereignty and religious identity and any sense of individual freedom in order to create a subserviant slave class

the apprentice 08-11-2016 07:50 PM

Its time to begin making your own reality, because at this stage in the game which ever side you chose the result will be the same, all groups are already infiltrated with masonic stooges and are always taken over.

The time is for millions of individuals to re train the ones who want to help themselves before this generation with the skills is gone.

iamawaveofthesea 08-11-2016 07:55 PM

The NWO is a neo-fuedal movement that wishes to enslave the entire human race under a small ruling class. To achieve that they must destroy the middle class and that is what they are busy doing through various trade agreements such as NAFTA, CETA, TTIP and the TPP etc

The savings of the middle class are being destroyed by low interest rates set by the central banks, jobs are being lost oversees and wages being driven down by mass immigration whislt further jobs are under threat from automation

In countries like the US the middle class is largely white and as a result the cabal use their corporate media to demonise white people in order to turn dissaffected sections of the public against the middle class

As a result of the oligarchs various economic policies there are now many poor and disgruntled people not just in the west but also abroad where the oligarchs have bombed their countries or indebted them to the IMF. This has created many angry people who are looking for someone to blame and the NWO el-ite then point them in the direction of white people who are now being scapegoated for the various crimes of the freemasonic el-ite.

The middle class has responded by voting for donald trump who they have hoped would push back against the various NWO policies which are destroying the US as a nation so that it can be absorbed into a world government (controlled by the cabal)

For the NWO cabal to rule over the mass of humanity it has to get them all to fight amongst themselves. This is acheived by taking the frustrations that different sections of society feel and then directing that anger at the target population which at the moment is the middle class who the el-ite feel theatened by because they perceive them to be politicially sophisticated and capable of running the system themselves without the oligarchs; the middle class is used toa degree of political involvement and this makes them a threat to the oligarchs plan for central control and domination of the system

For example the NWO hijaked female emancipation from household chores (which was actually driven by technological advancements in labour saving devices) and turned it into militant marxist third wave feminism which conditioned women to see not the oligarchs who ran the system as the enemy but men in general; this way men and women fought each other instead of the oligarchs; they called this the 'battle of the sexes' in their media

The oligarchs also stirred up religious tensions between christians and muslims by provoking conflict in muslims lands and by propping up corrupt monarchies in muslim countries thereby preventing the spread of democracy. They then flooded christian lands with muslims to further push people towards a divisive conflict which they called the 'clash of civilisations' in the media

The other tensions they have sought to fan the flames of is between white and black people through for example funding 'black lives matter' and by paying agent provocateurs to create riots and fires and trouble at otherwise peaceful protests in order to fuel tensions. The oligarchs also militarised the police and created a more aggressive and militarised culture within the police whilst changing laws (the NDAA) which made US soil part of the global battlefield (because the oligarchs see the people as the enemy); they also sent police off to israel to be trained in how to control populations that perceive them as occupiers. Meanwhile the oligarchs have pushed narratives in the media and universities that speak of 'white privilege' and the need to 'end whiteness' and of 'european colonialism' and the 'anglo-american empire' to try and paint a target on the backs of middle class white people

All these terms conceal the truth that it is in fact the oligarchs themselves that are behind all the various crimes of history. But in order to turn black people against white people they have to frame the language in such a way as to make black people perceive white people in general as the enemy rather than the ruling el-ites who white people have struggled against for millenia in order to win any of the working conditions and rights they enjoy today

iamawaveofthesea 08-11-2016 08:10 PM

The oligarchs look for disgruntled sections of society for example minorities and they then use them to attack society itself rather then the oligarchs

These disgruntled vandals have been called 'social justice warriors' in recent times and to the middle class they appear to be full of hate for the people around them

By playing the game of the oligarchs and attacking society itself rather then the el-ites who are actually responsible for colonialism, third world debt, unemployment, austerity, wars abroad etc they end up supporting the 'revolution from above' of the top 0.01% of society who wish to centralise their wealth and their control over society

The hatred of social justice warriors blinds them to the wider threat to society itself. if this threat is brought to their attention and explained to them they respond bitterly with comments about white people deserving it because of vague things like 'colonialism'

This strikes me as a kind of solomonic scene where two mothers are arguing over a baby with society being the baby. The people who have been frozen out of society by the oligarchs are so fed up they don't care if the baby is cut in half if it prevents anyone else from having it

The problem with this approach is that it only empowers the oligarchs and helps destroy the middle which has been the only section of the workers that has managed to rise to a point where it can actually challenge the supremacy of the oligarchs

Social justice warriors are so full of hate that they do not care if they tear society apart; they just want to rage and have allowed the oligarchs to choose how they do it

Their anger blinds them and makes them the perfect tool of the oligarchs who then turn that anger against society itself rather then on the oligarchs who are actually responsible for the plight of all workers around the world eg the richest 60 people now have more wealth then the bottom 50% of humanity and yet the social justice warriors wage war on society and not on those 60 people who have stolen all the wealth

iamawaveofthesea 08-11-2016 08:25 PM

It is interesting to see which celebrities are endorsing hilary clinton

Jewish singer bruce springstein who has cultivated a blue collar image has thrown his lot in with hilary to try and convince the public that they should support the very same network that has destroyed the wealth of working people

Freemason and illuminati puppet Jay Z and fellow illuminati puppet beyonze have also supported clinton in an attempt to court the votes of black people and yet clinton represents the very same banking network who took the homes of sub prime mortage holders, many of which were black in their orchestrated housing crisis of 2008 (money isn't destroyed in a crisis it just changes hands)

knightofalbion 08-11-2016 09:36 PM

"Court the votes of black people". I doubt many African Americans will be voting for Donald J. Trump with or without Jay Z's intervention!

"Jewish singer Bruce Springsteen" Huh? He was raised a Roman Catholic, but turned agnostic in adult life.

vancity eagle 08-11-2016 10:34 PM

Donald Trump is there for the very reason of exacerbating racial tensions. His divisive rhetoric energizes white nationalists and other such racists.

He is there for that specific reason.

This will only move minorities to back whoever the other option is. Which is what we see happening.

Trump is a divider. Again that's why the elites put him out there. Whether he wins or not is kind of irrelevant because the goal of division has already been achieved. Minorities will only become more defensive and radicalized with Trump spewing his hatred.

The racists are comming out of the woodwork after Trump gave them a voice.

iamawaveofthesea 08-11-2016 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by knightofalbion (Post 1062828935)
"Court the votes of black people". I doubt many African Americans will be voting for Donald J. Trump with or without Jay Z's intervention!

no jay z is endorsing clinton

he and other illuminati puppets....i mean if you asked joe bloggs off the street to name illuminati puppets from the music industry they would say:

-jay z
-beyonze
-lady ga ga
-katy perry

all of which are endorsing that illuminati-carlin clinton

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Originally Posted by knightofalbion (Post 1062828935)
"Jewish singer Bruce Springsteen" Huh? He was raised a Roman Catholic, but turned agnostic in adult life.

he's ashkenazi

iamawaveofthesea 08-11-2016 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by vancity eagle (Post 1062828966)
Donald Trump is there for the very reason of exacerbating racial tensions. His divisive rhetoric energizes white nationalists and other such racists.

He is there for that specific reason.

This will only move minorities to back whoever the other option is. Which is what we see happening.

Trump is a divider. Again that's why the elites put him out there. Whether he wins or not is kind of irrelevant because the goal of division has already been achieved. Minorities will only become more defensive and radicalized with Trump spewing his hatred.

The racists are comming out of the woodwork after Trump gave them a voice.

no trump is talking about protecting national boundaries, preventing globalist international trade agreements that give the oligarchs corporations power over nation states and democratically elected parliaments, pulling back from war with russia and so on. Those are policies that middle america supports and they are not 'racist' policies

you are just upset becasue you want to see the US destroyed because you are a 'communist' but the rothschilds who are behind all this NWO crap are not wanting to create a utopia for the workers...they don't give two hoots about you or your human rights

they see you as their slave and they intend to enshrine that in law

iamawaveofthesea 08-11-2016 11:30 PM

The following article in RT today sounds like it is suprised that the jewish neo-cons and the jewish 'liberals' have united behind clinton; obviously the author of the piece has not yet realised that the jewish left and the jewish right are just two arms of the same NWO cabal

The Neocon-Liberal alliance: Clinton coalition that could trigger WWIII
The 2016 US Presidential election has seen a coming together of hard-core Bush-era neocons and the anti-Bush liberal-left in support of the candidacy of Hillary Rodham Clinton.
US Elections 2016
Neil Clark

The unofficial coalition, which looks likely to help propel the Democratic nominee to the White House (if the polls are to believed), will have surprised many, but it’s not the first time self-identified progressives have - wittingly or unwittingly - aided the cause of the most reactionary people in western politics.

The neocons: a group of ultra-hawkish hard-right imperialists, who are quite happy for the US to illegally invade other sovereign states and drop bombs all over the world. The liberal-left: who profess their support for human rights, internationalism and progressive causes.

At first sight, these two groups don’t appear to have much in common. But the truth is the liberal-left have for a long time been the accomplices of the endless war lobby.

Think back to 1999 and the US-led bombing of Yugoslavia. Never mind that the Balkan state was a multi-party democracy that operated an economy with very high levels of public/social ownership: the liberal-left cheered as bombs rained down on Belgrade, Nis and Kragujevac . Many ‘progressives’ swallowed hook, line and sinker the lurid claims of a ‘genocide’ being committed in the province of Kosovo, which were later dismissed by a UN court.
Although it was promoted as a ‘humanitarian’ venture, the bombing of Yugoslavia was in fact a hard-right project pushed by fiercely anti-socialist/anti-communist Cold War warriors.

It’s worth noting the names on the Executive Committee of the ‘Balkan Action Committee’ which lobbied hard for war against Yugoslavia in 1999. They included Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz and Donald Rumsfeld - three men we would all hear a lot more from in the build-up to war with Iraq.

The liberal-left were also broadly on board for the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, an assault we were told would greatly help women's rights.

However, in 2003, there was a break between most of the liberal-left and the neocons over the invasion of Iraq. This military aggression, unlike the one against Yugoslavia, was led by a Republican president. George W. Bush, the man at the helm, was too much of a Texan ‘redneck’ for educated liberal-leftists to support.

Progressives who had no problem with backing an illegal war against Yugoslavia, found they did have a problem backing an illegal war against Iraq.

In the end, the only ‘liberals’ who supported the Iraq invasion were neo-cons masquerading as liberals, and we all saw through their disguise.

read on here https://www.rt.com/op-edge/365792-hi...on-neocons-us/

iamawaveofthesea 08-11-2016 11:36 PM

The media has been trying to tell us all this time that the US is split down the middle between donald and hilary while the fake-left who are acting as the attack dogs of the NWO oligarchs by waging race war against middle america are calling anyone who does not support the CFR/NWO oligarchs candidate clinton a 'racist'

well if there are over 300 million americans and half are 'racists' then according to the fake-left footsoldiers of the capitalist oligarchs (who are crushing the working people through neoliberalism and austerity) there are about 160 million racists in the US

that kind of rhetoric reminds me of the tactics of the frankfurt school which was to call anyone who disagreed with their view of society 'crazy'

iamawaveofthesea 08-11-2016 11:38 PM

Bush apparently didn't vote for trump!

all these fake lefties seem to have no problem in their mind that they are standing on the same side of the fence as war criminals like tony blair and george bush

how can they claim they are 'leftwing' when they support the capitalist oligarchs? I'll tell you why...because they are fakes in the same way that ISIS are fakes who are really steered by the CIA and mossad. The 'progressives' are also fakes controlled by the CIA and mossad

Hilary clinton is the oligarchs choice for president...its as simple as that

iamawaveofthesea 08-11-2016 11:42 PM

In 2011, though it was ‘business as usual’ for the neocon/liberal-left alliance as a ‘nice’ Democrat administration helped destroy Libya - the country which had the highest living standards in Africa - and whose ‘tyrannical’ government provided free health care, education, and electricity to all of its citizens.

Again, this was a military assault which was pushed by neocons, the same crowd who’d lobbied for war against Yugoslavia and Iraq. Once again the liberal-left didn’t seem to notice, or indeed to care, who was behind it.

The toppling of Muammar Gaddafi (the latest neocon-designated ‘New Hitler’ who was hell-bent on ‘genocide’), would lead to a more democratic Libya with major advances in human rights, liberal-leftists assured us. In fact, the NATO attack on Libya turned the country into a failed state and a haven for jihadists.

Hillary Clinton, as Secretary of State in 2011, played a prominent role in the destruction of Libya - so much so that Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, in a recent interview with John Pilger, has labelled it 'Hillary’s war.'

But Libya has been quietly forgotten during the Presidential election campaign, as indeed has the Iraq war.

Liberal-leftists who couldn’t bear the sight of George W. Bush are lining up with pro-Iraq war hawks to try and get HRC elected.

Film-maker Michael Moore, who made the fiercely anti-Bush documentary, Fahrenheit 9-11, finds himself on the same side as Bush's speechwriter David Frum and Robert Kagan, co-founder of the Project for the New American Century. That would have seemed unthinkable a few years back, but it’s happening today, folks.

Why are America’s liberal-left doing this? It’s not as if Trump or Clinton are the only options: Dr Jill Stein's policies on social justice, war and peace, and climate change are far more progressive than Clinton’s. Why, instead of backing Stein, are they enabling Washington’s war lobby again, just as they did in 1999 and in 2011 during the bombing of Libya? Don't they ever learn their lesson? How naive are liberals to be fooled by the sudden neo-con concern for 'women's rights' and the rights of immigrants and gay people?

Make no mistake, the PNAC crowd are backing Clinton, not because they are appalled at sexist/racist or politically incorrect statements made by Donald Trump, but because they believe HRC will be the candidate who is more likely to continue the policy of endless war. More specifically, in regards to Syria, they want a US President who will prioritize on toppling the secular government of President Assad - not defeating ISIS. Trump’s great 'crime' in their eyes is that he does want to prioritize on ISIS - and horror of horrors - to work with Russia to defeat terrorism.

As America goes to the polls today, the stakes could not be higher. Clinton’s support for the imposition of a No-Fly Zone against Russian and Syrian aircraft risks starting World War Three, and the deaths of potentially hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people.

Is that what the ‘progressives’ who are lining up with the destroyers of Iraq really want?

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/365792-hi...on-neocons-us/

iamawaveofthesea 09-11-2016 12:09 AM

Jewish-American Journalist Carl Bernstein reveals the role 'Jewish Neocons' in Launching Iraq War

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vancity eagle 09-11-2016 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea (Post 1062829021)
Bush apparently didn't vote for trump!

all these fake lefties seem to have no problem in their mind that they are standing on the same side of the fence as war criminals like tony blair and george bush

how can they claim they are 'leftwing' when they support the capitalist oligarchs? I'll tell you why...because they are fakes in the same way that ISIS are fakes who are really steered by the CIA and mossad. The 'progressives' are also fakes controlled by the CIA and mossad

Hilary clinton is the oligarchs choice for president...its as simple as that

Bush always claimed he wouldn't vote for Trump. His Vice President Cheney is supporting Trump though, so we have war criminals on either side.

Fake lefties are just uneducated and they find Trump automatically more repulsive than Clinton, and they are right.

If Trump was a Uniter instead of a divider, and if he didn't act like a psychopath saying how he loved torture, bombing the crap out of people, banning people, he would have MUCH MORE SUPPORT.

vancity eagle 09-11-2016 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea (Post 1062829028)
In 2011, though it was ‘business as usual’ for the neocon/liberal-left alliance as a ‘nice’ Democrat administration helped destroy Libya - the country which had the highest living standards in Africa - and whose ‘tyrannical’ government provided free health care, education, and electricity to all of its citizens.

Again, this was a military assault which was pushed by neocons, the same crowd who’d lobbied for war against Yugoslavia and Iraq. Once again the liberal-left didn’t seem to notice, or indeed to care, who was behind it.

The toppling of Muammar Gaddafi (the latest neocon-designated ‘New Hitler’ who was hell-bent on ‘genocide’), would lead to a more democratic Libya with major advances in human rights, liberal-leftists assured us. In fact, the NATO attack on Libya turned the country into a failed state and a haven for jihadists.

Hillary Clinton, as Secretary of State in 2011, played a prominent role in the destruction of Libya - so much so that Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, in a recent interview with John Pilger, has labelled it 'Hillary’s war.'

But Libya has been quietly forgotten during the Presidential election campaign, as indeed has the Iraq war.

Liberal-leftists who couldn’t bear the sight of George W. Bush are lining up with pro-Iraq war hawks to try and get HRC elected.

Film-maker Michael Moore, who made the fiercely anti-Bush documentary, Fahrenheit 9-11, finds himself on the same side as Bush's speechwriter David Frum and Robert Kagan, co-founder of the Project for the New American Century. That would have seemed unthinkable a few years back, but it’s happening today, folks.

Why are America’s liberal-left doing this? It’s not as if Trump or Clinton are the only options: Dr Jill Stein's policies on social justice, war and peace, and climate change are far more progressive than Clinton’s. Why, instead of backing Stein, are they enabling Washington’s war lobby again, just as they did in 1999 and in 2011 during the bombing of Libya? Don't they ever learn their lesson? How naive are liberals to be fooled by the sudden neo-con concern for 'women's rights' and the rights of immigrants and gay people?

Make no mistake, the PNAC crowd are backing Clinton, not because they are appalled at sexist/racist or politically incorrect statements made by Donald Trump, but because they believe HRC will be the candidate who is more likely to continue the policy of endless war. More specifically, in regards to Syria, they want a US President who will prioritize on toppling the secular government of President Assad - not defeating ISIS. Trump’s great 'crime' in their eyes is that he does want to prioritize on ISIS - and horror of horrors - to work with Russia to defeat terrorism.

As America goes to the polls today, the stakes could not be higher. Clinton’s support for the imposition of a No-Fly Zone against Russian and Syrian aircraft risks starting World War Three, and the deaths of potentially hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people.

Is that what the ‘progressives’ who are lining up with the destroyers of Iraq really want?

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/365792-hi...on-neocons-us/

There are definately PNAC guys backing Trump.

John Bolton
Michael Ledeen
James Woolsey (trumps foreign policy team former CIA director)
Frank Gaffney
Ed Feulner. (Trump transition team)
Edwin Meese (Trump transition team)
Steve Forbes

It would appear more are backing Hillary but to me it's all part of the show.

iamawaveofthesea 09-11-2016 08:03 AM

Now the bankers who have been keeping the zombie banks alove with quantitative easing will let them crash and the system is going to blame trump and brexit for the collapsing economy

vancity eagle 09-11-2016 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea (Post 1062829516)
Now the bankers who have been keeping the zombie banks alove with quantitative easing will let them crash and the system is going to blame trump and brexit for the collapsing economy

He hasn't even taken office yet and you are already making excuses for him. *facepalm*

iamawaveofthesea 09-11-2016 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by vancity eagle (Post 1062829524)
He hasn't even taken office yet and you are already making excuses for him. *facepalm*

no i said before the vote that if clinton won she'd get the blame for it but now trump has he is the one they will blame

They did the same with brexit where they blamed brexit for the falling pound and we haven't even had brexit yet

do you watch the keiser report?

they have been predicting another financial meltdown since 2008 except next time there will not be the funds available to bail out the banks and none of the problems that lead upto the 2008 crisis have been resolved so the same problems are arising

they talk about the system 'kicking the can down the road' by printing quantitative easing to keep the zombie banks alive by providing them with liquidity

the banks are already broken vancity...just look at deuscthbank which is in the process of collapsing and becasue the banks are all so exposed to each other it has a knock on effect like lehmans did

we saw the likes of soros threatening us with economic collapse BEFORE the brexit vote and we have seen some turbulence since it; we have also seen many fake lefties on social media and on the corporate media trying to blame brexit for all the economic problems that were already well sown before the brexit vote

iamawaveofthesea 09-11-2016 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by vancity eagle (Post 1062829159)
There are definately PNAC guys backing Trump.

John Bolton
Michael Ledeen
James Woolsey (trumps foreign policy team former CIA director)
Frank Gaffney
Ed Feulner. (Trump transition team)
Edwin Meese (Trump transition team)
Steve Forbes

It would appear more are backing Hillary but to me it's all part of the show.

i do share your concerns vancity

i always thought that trump would be more disruptive to the NWO then hilary but i also have little faith that the system can produce positive results (hilary would have been a seemless transition of NWO control from obama to clinton...she was totally integrated into their command structure)

its like lenin said....the state is like a car that doesn't change course when you turn the steering wheel; that's because things are really controlled by the deep state; on that i think you and me are both agreed

so the question now is to what extent trump would or could challenge the direction of the deep state and the last president who directly challenged the deep state was murdered in dallas and his brother was killed after him

so....do i think trump is the messiah? no

so i'm relieved that clinton is not in but i am cautious rather then celebratory about trump becasue i don't think the answer lies in the system

i think the answer lies in decentralising power down to the people and that is the hard path to follow and most people still prefer to pin their hopes in an individual or political party and i can't think of any example in my lifetime where that has proven a success for the people

if trump actually managed to create positive change it would be an anomoly in my experience of politics

usually the party challenging for power makes lots of promises to the public to get into power but once they are in they just do what the NWO bankers want them to do; the concern is whether or not trump will do the same

iamawaveofthesea 09-11-2016 08:30 AM

ok so if trump is legit in any way shape or form he has to now reach out to the black and hispanic sections of society and reassure them that he is committed to protecting gthe jobs of ALL americans. put this racial tensions bullshit to bed and start uniting the country

the best way to show he is not the racist that the fake-left has accused him of being is to improve the prosperity of ALL americans

However the central banksters who want the NWO government cannot allow a nation state to be a success...they can't....so they will continue to try and sabotage things in the background

trump needs to not piss about with window dressing and go right for the core of the problem: CONTROL OF THE MONEY SUPPLY

Take the control of the money supply off the central bankers or you are just another fake system server trump!

Also for fuck sake pull back from world war 3 with russia!

vancity eagle 09-11-2016 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea (Post 1062829542)
ok so if trump is legit in any way shape or form he has to now reach out to the black and hispanic sections of society and reassure them that he is committed to protecting gthe jobs of ALL americans

the best way to show he is not the racist that the fake-left has accused him of being is to improve the propserity of ALL americans

However the central banksters who want the NWO government cannot allow a nation state to be a success...they can't....so they will continue to try and sabotage things in the background

trump needs to not piss about with window dressing and go right for the core of the problem: CONTROL OF THE MONEY SUPPLY

Take the control of the money supply off the central bankers or you are just another fake system server trump!

Also for fuck sake pull back from world war 3 with russia!


You really seem to have a lot of optimism.

iamawaveofthesea 09-11-2016 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by vancity eagle (Post 1062829543)
You really seem to have a lot of optimism.

or is it desperation!

NATO are currently building up troops on the russian border

i live in the UK which is under the umbrella of the US nuclear missile defence system. we debate here in the UK over whether or not to spend money that should go on hospitals and schools on upgrading the trident nuclear missile defence system so that we can continue to be a forward missile base of the US. The US control our missiles not us

This puts us on the front line of the nuclear war. We are a small island that would not survive a russian counter strike to the zionist empire.....we'd be toast

so i don't mind admitting to you that clintons rhetoric against russia as well as the way that the DNC has blamed russia for all of its problems whilst in the background NATO upped its aggressions towards russia was alarming to me

My other big concern has been the coming economic collapse which i believe the NWO el-ite will use to justify a more globalised currency which they have prepared already in the IMF's 'special drawing rights'

so those are two of the big areas i always keep an eye on. Trump and brexit are potentially disruptive to NATO war mongering and if we can kick trident out of scotland that would be further disruption to any plans by the deep state to try and beat russia through a first strike move

I'm tired of watching the NWO empire using US military might to bully the world and i'm tired of living under the shadow of nuclear war

The other litmus test to guage trumps legitimacy would be whether or not he stops all the trade agreements like TTIP, TTP etc which are handing more powers to the corporate network and shifting power away from democratically elected governments and into the hands of the corporations (which are owned and controlled by the NWO oligarchs)

iamawaveofthesea 09-11-2016 09:14 AM

I don't side with politicians vancity...i don't trust any of them

I do however understand the hopes and fears of trump supporters and i have in the build upto this election tried to explain what those are

I do also understand the hopes and fears of people who support some 'liberal' movements eg BLM but i just never thought that hilary and the fake-left were the correct way to resolve those problems

greater prosperity is the solution to those problems and i do not trust the fake-left to provide that

I see the 'left' and the 'right' of the two party system to be two masks on the same face so i'm not saying i trusted the right either

I just don't like to see people who have realised that the system is basically run by corporate fascists then swing to the left only to fall into the arms of the other wing of the NWO ie the fake left which is ALSO controlled by the oligarchs

The solution will not lie in trump. Unfortunately the solution is going to lie in something far more challenging and that is in individuals taking PERSONAL RESPONSBILITY and the truth is that the public have been conditioned from birth not to do that; instead they are programmed to put all responsiblity in the hands of politicians and the system

The politicians, in my experience, have all shown themselves to be system servers and that is why i am wary of trump as you are

h2pogo 09-11-2016 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea (Post 1062828846)
The idealism of the 1960's ended in the cynicism of vietnam and the manson family murders

No it didnt...Thats the kind of thing people would say if they didn't like the idealism of the 60s, and would rather it had died, no?

Trump and the corporate NWO globalists with links to Jews and the Vatican almost certainly dint like hippies either..
But hey ho, hippies haven't been cool for ages..
Yep the corporate media made sure of that.
There is some truth in your ramblings , but there was in Hitlers, like there is in ISIS and Trumps.

iamawaveofthesea 09-11-2016 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by h2pogo (Post 1062829573)
No it didnt...Thats the kind of thing people would say if they didn't like the idealism of the 60s, no?

Trump and the corporate NWO globalists with links to jews and the Vatican almost certainly dont like the hippies either..

like many of these issues i think it is nuanced rather than black and white; the trump situation too is nuanced

its because i see things in a more nuanced way that i think what i'm saying gets missunderstood a lot because many people are following the black and white narratives of the mainstream media that tend to paint things in overly simplistic terms to divide people and to hide from them the realities beneath events

The CIA played a MASSIVE part in the counter culture movement. There are aspects of the counter culture movement that are attractive to me and i am open to questioning the status quo. However the aim of the CIA and their handlers was to breakdown the fabric of society in order to open a pathway to a new society

they haven't achieved that new society yet but we are well on the path to it and we see new indicators of that process all the time. For example i heard in the news yesterday that russell brand is planning to raise his child 'gender neutral'. Now is that a statement of his desire to unburden his child of gender stereotypes or is it part of a wider agenda to conceal the fact that the el-ite are altering the DNA of children for example through endocrine disruptors?

There is always the cover story to justify whats going on and then there is the true agenda behind it. The cover story usually sounds really attractive and is designed to win the support of the public but the agenda when you see it in a wider context then appears incredibly sinister

so for the 1960's the cover story was that it was about 'peace and love' but in reality it was about breaking down all societal norms to make a more atomised and pliable populace

and look at us now.....people are more divided and more isolated and more lost then ever before; also we aren't seeing much 'peace' or much 'love'. The CIA experimented with LSD and saw its potential as a cultural eraser or as terrence mckenna might put it: a disk eraser to wipe clean the software of a person, but there are problems with doing that to a human....humans have roots which give them a sense of self and identity and belonging. if you wipe them clean it creates identity problems and self-esteem issues

The CIA was involved in groups like the brotherhood of eternal love and they pushed a lot of the acid out into the public. Yes there were problems in 60's society eg inequality of various kinds but there are always problems...there is always room for improvement, but not all change is good

sometimes change can make things worse and we have actually seen those inequalities grow in many cases

h2pogo 09-11-2016 09:59 AM

Counter culture movement..Like where they turned love to lust..great to hate and non consensual fanny grabbing by your superiors as electable..Where are we now?

The race war is all about getting us to hate the oppressed and love our oppressors and escalate the depopulation agenda..

And btw i find it annoying and a tad dishonest only partially quoting people, as it kind of puts things out of context.

iamawaveofthesea 09-11-2016 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by h2pogo (Post 1062829600)
Counter culture movement..Like where they turned love to lust..great to hate and non consensual fanny grabbing by your superiors as electable..Where are we now?

The race war is all about getting us to hate the oppressed and love our oppressors and escalate the depopulation agenda..

And btw i find it annoying and a tad dishonest only partially quoting people, as it kind of puts things out of context.

if you always repost the entirety of posts eg resposting images and film clips especially then it fills the thread up and buries posts

the 60's allowed that transition away from the more equal 1950's to the current situation where the richest 60 people in the world own more than the bottom 50%

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h2pogo 09-11-2016 11:02 AM

Your not saying the conscious ideological revolution of the 60s is to blame for US wealth inequality are you?, implying it has nothing to do with Nixon the most right wing authoritarian president before Trump and his debt based fiat global monetary policy ?

iamawaveofthesea 09-11-2016 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by h2pogo (Post 1062829658)
Your not saying the conscious ideological revolution of the 60s is to blame for US wealth inequality are you?, implying it has nothing to do with Nixon the most right wing authoritarian president before Trump and his debt based fiat global monetary policy ?

woah.....you can't blame trump for fiat currency! clinton was funded by the big banks

i'm saying that the 60's broke society down; society lost its cohesion and its ability to stand together against the authoritarians who then stole all the wealth

after world war 1 and 2 the el-ites were scared of the workers. they were scared of generations of battlehardened men who had military training and could overthrow them so they handled them with kid gloves and gave them concessions

the 60's generations were soft and eventually became the system themselves. The power and wealth shift went up a gear under the baby boomers

iamawaveofthesea 10-11-2016 07:46 PM

if trump were truely indie one thing he could do is get all those black and mexican men who have been imprisoned over bullshit charges such as relating to marijuana possession and dealing and let them out of the prisons

Let those men go back to their communities, give them responsible jobs and the self esteem that goes with it and let them be fathers and husbands and active contributers to the REAL economy of production and consumption and you'll see the whole of society right itself again

let them be PROTECTORS and PROVIDERS

and the hateful jewish feminists be damned

h2pogo 10-11-2016 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea (Post 1062829674)
woah.....you can't blame trump for fiat currency! clinton was funded by the big banks

i'm saying that the 60's broke society down; society lost its cohesion and its ability to stand together against the authoritarians who then stole all the wealth

after world war 1 and 2 the el-ites were scared of the workers. they were scared of generations of battlehardened men who had military training and could overthrow them so they handled them with kid gloves and gave them concessions

the 60's generations were soft and eventually became the system themselves. The power and wealth shift went up a gear under the baby boomers

I was blaming Nixon, It was him that took us full off the gold standard and helped create the petro dollar and bloated the bond/slave markets...Which is why the people are screwed , nothing to do with hippies.

People were standing against the authorities possibly more in the 60s, they had an anti war movement and larger mobilisations against tptb than now..And were more active in dropping out and going off grid and getting spiritual...A kind of trend than never went away..
But hey ho , lets pray the spirit of peace and love doesnt go away...

iamawaveofthesea 10-11-2016 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by h2pogo (Post 1062830861)
I was blaming Nixon, It was him that took us full off the gold standard and helped create the petro dollar and bloated the bond/slave markets...Which is why the people are screwed , nothing to do with hippies.

People were standing against the authorities possibly more in the 60s, they had an anti war movement and larger mobilisations against tptb than now..And were more active in dropping out and going off grid and getting spiritual...A kind of trend than never went away..
But hey ho , lets pray the spirit of peace and love doesnt go away...

well as you and i both know these guys like nixon are just puppets of the oligarchs

so it was the oligarchs who took us off the gold standard and that is why the FBI say that anyone who says the US should not have gone off the gold standard is an 'extremist'!!!

but it wasn't just that...it was a progression which you can trace back to the creation of the federal reserve in 1913 (and even back further than that)

Its been a struggle over the money supply and once the oligarchs had that they then dergulated the system so that they could get rid of for example the glass-steagal act thereby enabling them to get their grubby paws on depository banks

Also deregulation enabled them to create derivatives and financialise everything

so they have followed a step by step process which has enabled them to grab more and more of the wealth and also the political power that wealth brings

concerning the 'spiritual' awakening you refer to i think a lot of it is the new age psyops where people are encouraged to not face the 'negatives' and to naval gaze instead of getting their head in the game and pro-actively seeking to be the change they want to be in the world

most of the new age is about telling people that they don't need to do anything!

vancity eagle 10-11-2016 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea (Post 1062830840)
if trump were truely indie one thing he could do is get all those black and mexican men who have been imprisoned over bullshit charges such as relating to marijuana possession and dealing and let them out of the prisons

Let those men go back to their communities, give them responsible jobs and the self esteem that goes with it and let them be fathers and husbands and active contributers to the REAL economy of production and consumption and you'll see the whole of society right itself again

let them be PROTECTORS and PROVIDERS

and the hateful jewish feminists be damned

Ha Trump will do no such thing.

He has promised "law and order" and more "stop and frisk"

He will continue the police was on black America.

Why hasn't Trump addressed the confederate flag waving racist white guy who killed 2 police recently ? If they were killed by so called "BLM activists" he would be getting arthritis from all of his tweets, and he'd be making news conferences.

Anyways Trump is a police state and unwarranted spying guy. He told us this already.

iamawaveofthesea 10-11-2016 08:41 PM

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Ha Trump will do no such thing.

He has promised "law and order" and more "stop and frisk"

He will continue the police was on black America.

Why hasn't Trump addressed the confederate flag waving racist white guy who killed 2 police recently ? If they were killed by so called "BLM activists" he would be getting arthritis from all of his tweets, and he'd be making news conferences.

Anyways Trump is a police state and unwarranted spying guy. He told us this already.

sure trump is an authoritarian

if trump was too radical the oligarchs would have shut him down; they believe they can manage him within the system box

as clinton said ominously today trump will have to learn about how things happen in the politicla world and how many of the things you say you want to do whilst campaigning will not be supported by many people in congress

so for example trump has gone WAY off script over vaccines by stating there is a link between vaccines and autism; but once he is in power will he fight big pharma? Will he change the vaccine programme for children? I won't hold my breath!

As i keep saying i don't think the solution will come with the politicians. i think it needs to come from decentralised solutions and from people taking personal responsibility

But to get to that state of consciousness people have to first lose faith in the system. This election cycle has destroyed peoples faith in the lying corporate media and that is a positive development. However they are still hoping switches from democrat to republican will change things and i think they will be dissapointed

However most people don't at this time want the kind of radical changes i want (yet). most just don't want to be destroyed economically and i think people felt that under obama they were being destroyed and they saw hilary as a continuation of that. I also think an economic crash is coming and i think that would come regardless of whether trump or clinton was in office. however now trump has got in he will get the blame for it

This doesn't mean i can't post a few ideas in this thread of what could be done if a president were actually motivated to do so! But lets give trump some credit though for saying things that would never issue from the lips of clinton:

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tamlinn 10-11-2016 11:26 PM

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Donald Trump is there for the very reason of exacerbating racial tensions. His divisive rhetoric energizes white nationalists and other such racists.

He is there for that specific reason.

This will only move minorities to back whoever the other option is. Which is what we see happening.

Trump is a divider. Again that's why the elites put him out there. Whether he wins or not is kind of irrelevant because the goal of division has already been achieved. Minorities will only become more defensive and radicalized with Trump spewing his hatred.

The racists are comming out of the woodwork after Trump gave them a voice.

I would say that he represents a backlash against having a black president and the threat of a woman president. He is bringing things back to the "natural" order of things, a white male in charge, no matter how much of an idiot he might be. I see this in the comments I have seen posted around, it's kind of a "haha" reaction. On another board I saw reports of racist and sexist attacks and a smug attitude of "we win" from the perpetrators. Very disturbing.

iamawaveofthesea 11-11-2016 01:20 AM

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I would say that he represents a backlash against having a black president and the threat of a woman president. He is bringing things back to the "natural" order of things, a white male in charge, no matter how much of an idiot he might be. I see this in the comments I have seen posted around, it's kind of a "haha" reaction. On another board I saw reports of racist and sexist attacks and a smug attitude of "we win" from the perpetrators. Very disturbing.

i disagree i think you are only seeing what you are looking for

all those tens of millions of people who voted for trump didn't do it to avoid a black or female president; they did it because they are sick of austerity and want a change; they are so desperate that they took a punt on trump. As john pilger says there was no one to vote for

John Pilger: Liberals created Trump by pushing corrupt Clinton, but now act surprised
Published time: 10 Nov, 2016 22:17

“They corrupted a voting system, within the Democratic Party that ensured that another populist, Bernie Sanders – though I don’t think he would have beaten Trump – could not win, and instead the embodiment of the status quo, who has declared the whole world a battlefield was made out to be the ‘candidate of sanity’ or ‘the candidate for women.’”

https://www.rt.com/news/366371-pilge...nton-liberals/

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decim 11-11-2016 01:42 AM

If a woman had campaigned on the issues Trump did and applied the same rhetoric, said woman would of been elected.

iamawaveofthesea 22-11-2016 06:45 PM

Here a brief message from president-to-be Trump in which his parting line is that his polices will work for EVERYONE

Now here's the thing....if you can manage to raise propserity for al by increasing employment and wages then that beneifts everyone.

Rises in employment and wages help you regardless of whether you are gay, black, hispanic, female, white, straight etc

He's made his claim...now lets see you do it Donny but tearing up the TPP and tackling the lobbying revolving door is a good start

Obviously he's faltered at going after Hilary for criminal charges because she is merely the political mask of the rothschilds and to tackle them head on would mean another JFK situation and also a massive split in the US

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iamawaveofthesea 22-11-2016 06:46 PM

Donald Trump scolded media big shots during an off-the-record Trump Tower sitdown on Monday, sources told The Post.

“It was like a f???ing firing squad,” one source said of the encounter.

“Trump started with [CNN chief] Jeff Zucker and said, ‘I hate your network, everyone at CNN is a liar and you should be ashamed,’ ” the source said.

“The meeting was a total disaster. The TV execs and anchors went in there thinking they would be discussing the access they would get to the Trump administration, but instead they got a Trump-style dressing-down,” the source added.

http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/donald-...-firing-squad/


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