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raburgeson 28-08-2016 07:05 AM

Secret Space Programs
 
You may be aware of some of the whistleblowers that have come forward so far.

From our perspective: - (I already told you who we are in another post)

There are factions! Good cop bad cop routines. Oh, they want to release the tech world wide right now, well they want to partially release it in 100 years. There time is up right now, they better release it now.

These crooks have destroyed lives for 3 generations already. They intend to kick the can for 100 years and then? Kick it again! If they really want an act of God we are set to give it to them. This is not a joke. We are set to get nasty and propaganda will not help them.

oz93666 28-08-2016 07:52 AM

There's only one secret space program (in my understanding) ... run by the NWO, but control of it is breaking down , fragmenting into different groups .... Bases on the moon , mars and elsewhere, many thousand humans in the military living off world .

This is a very large and important area of research , which to my knowledge David Icke doesn't cover.

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the apprentice 28-08-2016 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by raburgeson (Post 1062786230)
You may be aware of some of the whistleblowers that have come forward so far.

From our perspective: - (I already told you who we are in another post)

There are factions! Good cop bad cop routines. Oh, they want to release the tech world wide right now, well they want to partially release it in 100 years. There time is up right now, they better release it now.

These crooks have destroyed lives for 3 generations already. They intend to kick the can for 100 years and then? Kick it again! If they really want an act of God we are set to give it to them. This is not a joke. We are set to get nasty and propaganda will not help them.

The department of defence has already done the math on this and added to their 2030-41 report, they expect it to happen.

ramirez 28-08-2016 12:22 PM

The only secret space programme is the terraforming of Mars and several craft for the Elite to use should the entire planet face destruction.

That is all there ever will be also.

truegroup 28-08-2016 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by oz93666 (Post 1062786241)
There's only one secret space program (in my understanding) ... run by the NWO, but control of it is breaking down , fragmenting into different groups .... Bases on the moon , mars and elsewhere, many thousand humans in the military living off world

Can you fill in some of the blanks for me. I haven't heard of any of this. Evidence please.

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This is a very large and important area of research , which to my knowledge David Icke doesn't cover.
I did some research on this. It's actually all made up with the purpose of making money for the people claiming it.

ambrose123 28-08-2016 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by truegroup (Post 1062786481)
Can you fill in some of the blanks for me. I haven't heard of any of this. Evidence please.



I did some research on this. It's actually all made up with the purpose of making money for the people claiming it.

How about some evidence of your research?

Truegroup no.1 friend of the official line.

Cryptoverse 28-08-2016 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by truegroup (Post 1062786481)
Can you fill in some of the blanks for me. I haven't heard of any of this. Evidence please.

The thing with hardcore pseudoskeptics is that they refuse to critically think in the face of no hard proof or evidence. All one has to do is critically think to know there is a secret space program. Skeptics get a F in connecting dots.

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I did some research on this. It's actually all made up with the purpose of making money for the people claiming it.
Corey Goode is a disinformation asset. True he is not the best source to look at for any truth or real secret space program information. He is just the latest psy op, his blue avians nonsense etc. So you have got it half right IMO.

truegroup 28-08-2016 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ambrose123 (Post 1062786615)
How about some evidence of your research?

Truegroup no.1 friend of the official line.

Oh I was being flippant:cheerleader: Omnisense liked your post though - which bugs me.

You want some evidence? Why don't you ask for some to support this secret space program? One that involves quantum leap technology and bases on the Moon and Mars impervious to solar storms etc.

As for your personal jibe, finding problems with people who make outlandish claims isn't the same as "no.1 friend of the official line"! You seem to be constantly making observations about me rather than my posts,:clap:

truegroup 28-08-2016 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by omnisense (Post 1062786635)
The thing with hardcore pseudoskeptics is that they refuse to critically think in the face of no hard proof or evidence. All one has to do is critically think to know there is a secret space program. Skeptics get a F in connecting dots.

What in any world is wrong in requesting some scant evidence for such a complete claim. I mean it isn't a secret space program....it's vastly more advanced technology and bases off world.

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Corey Goode is a disinformation asset. True he is not the best source to look at for any truth or real secret space program information. He is just the latest psy op, his blue avians nonsense etc. So you have got it half right IMO.
You got it half right you mean:cheerleader:

Cryptoverse 28-08-2016 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by truegroup (Post 1062786641)
What in any world is wrong in requesting some scant evidence for such a complete claim. I mean it isn't a secret space program....it's vastly more advanced technology and bases off world.

It's not wrong to ask for evidence really, but we all know if someone gave you evidence you would reject it or try to debunk it. It's pretty clear it was not a sincere request for open minded consideration is what I mean...
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You got it half right you mean:cheerleader:
Perceive as you wish.

Cryptoverse 28-08-2016 08:25 PM

I have witnessed Extraterrestrial spacecraft up close in broad daylight. I was engaged by US Govt AI at the same time. They are well aware of each other. There is a lot of evidence of a secret space program but i fear with Corey Goode the subject is getting bastardized.

Cryptoverse 28-08-2016 08:26 PM

Some Evidence:

<blockquote>
"UFOs do exist and aliens have visited the Earth. Certain identified flying objects or UFOs from outer space have visited Earth. The Government position on this is that the Government has no strategy regarding UFO sightings." -Nobutaka Machimura - (Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary)</blockquote>


<blockquote>
"I can assure you that, given they exist, these flying saucers are made by no power on this Earth."?-President Harry S. Truman, 4 April 1950, at a press conference.</blockquote>


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"We have contact with alien cultures."?-Astronaut Dr. Brian O'leary</blockquote>


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"I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth."?-Colonel L. Gordon Cooper (Mercury 9,Gemini-5 Astronaut)</blockquote>


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"I'm not at liberty to discuss the governments knowledge of extraterrestrial UFO's at this time. I am still personally being briefed on the subject!"?-President Richard M. Nixon</blockquote>


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"The phenomenon of UFOs does exist, and it must be treated seriously."?
-Mikhail Gorbachev</blockquote>


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"The UFO phenomenon being reported is something real and not visionary or fictitious"?
-General Nathan Twining Chairman, Joint chiefs of staff, 1955-1958</blockquote>


<blockquote>
"For thirty years, I've held that image in my mind. What I saw was a circular object that looked like two pie plates put on top of each other with a golf ball on top. It was a classic flying saucer,and it shot a beam of something at our warhead"?-U.S. Air Force Lieutenant Robert M. Jacobs</blockquote>


<blockquote>
"After the plane from Roswell arrived with the material I asked the base commander to personally transport it in a B-26 to Major General McMullen in Washington DC. The entire operation was conducted under strictest secrecy. The weather balloon explanation for the material was a cover story to divert the attention of the press".?-Brigadier General Thomas Dubose ?Commanding Officer of Wright Patterson Air Force Base? Affadavit 09/16/01</blockquote>


<blockquote>
"I've been asked about UFO's and I've said publicly I thought they were somebody else, some other civilization."?-Commander Eugene Cernan, Commanded the Apollo 17 Mission. (LA TIMES, 1973)</blockquote>


<blockquote>
"Blue Book was now under direct orders to debunk...I remember the conversations around the conference table in which it was suggested that Walt Disney or some other educational cartoon producer be enlisted in the debunking process".?-Dr. J Allen Hyneck? Scientific Consultant to Blue Book</blockquote>


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"In my official status, I cannot comment on ET contact. However, personally, I can assure you, we are not alone!"?-Charles J. Camarda(Ph.D.) NASA Astronaut</blockquote>


<blockquote>
"Of course it is possible that UFO's really do contain aliens as many people believe, and the Government is hushing it up."?-Professor Stephen Hawking</blockquote>


<blockquote>
"UFO sightings are now so common, the military doesn't have time to worry about them - so they screen them out. The major defense systems have UFO filters built into them, and when a UFO appears, they simply ignore it."?-Lee Katchen (former atmospheric physicist with NASA)</blockquote>


<blockquote>
How the CIA Views the UFO Phenomenon, Second Look, Vol. 1, No. 7, Washington, D.C. (5/1979) -- "We have, indeed, been contacted -- perhaps even visited -- by extraterrestrial beings, and the US government, in collusion with the other national powers of the Earth, is determined to keep this information from the general public." -Former Special assistant to the executive director of the CIA Victor Marchetti</blockquote>


<blockquote>
"Mission control, we have a UFO pacing our position, request instructions."
Astronaut Cady Coleman
NASA Transmission - Shuttle Mission STS-73</blockquote>


<blockquote>
"All Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers, or UFOs, if you want to call them by that name.

Every time it occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered absolute silence."
Maurice Chatelain
Former Chief of NASA Communications Systems</blockquote>


<blockquote>
"At no time, when the astronauts were in space were they alone: there was a constant surveillance by UFOs."
NASA Astronaut Scott Carpenter Carpenter photographed a UFO while in orbit on May 24, 1962. NASA still has not released the photograph.</blockquote>


<blockquote>
"Let there be no doubt. Alien technology harvested from the infamous saucer crash in Roswell, N.Mex., in July 1947 led directly to the development of the integrated circuit chip, laser and fibre optic technologies, particle beams, electromagnetic propulsion systems, depleted uranium projectiles, stealth capabilities, and many others.

How do I know? I was in charge!

I think the kids on this planet are wise to the truth, and I think we ought to give it to them. I think they deserve it."

Colonel Philip Corso
Army Intelligence officer, former Head of Foreign Technology at the U.S. Army's Research and Development Department at the Pentagon. Four years Director of Intelligence on President Eisenhower's White House National Security Staff</blockquote>


<blockquote>
"I looked out the window and saw this white light.It was zigzagging around. I went up to the pilot and said,Have you ever seen anything like that? He was shocked and he said, "Nope." And I said to him: "Let's follow it!" We followed it for several minutes. It was a bright white light. We followed it to Bakersfield, and all of a sudden to our utter amazement it went straight up into the heavens. When I got off the plane I told Nancy all about it."?-President Ronald Reagen (Describing his 1974 UFO encounter to veteran newsman Norman C. Miller, then Washington bureau chief for the Wall Street Journal.)</blockquote>


<blockquote>
Yevgeni Khrunov, who flew in the Soyuz-5 in 1969, was prepared to recognize publicly the existence of UFOs. “As regards UFOs,” said Khrunov, “their presence cannot be denied: thousands of people have seen them. It may be that their source is optical effects but some of their properties, for instance, their ability to change course by 90 degrees at great speed, simply stagger the imagination.” <a href="http://www.openminds.tv/russian-cosmonauts-ufo-sightings-and-statements/859">Source</a></blockquote>


<blockquote>
"It was the darndest thing I've ever seen. It was big, it was very bright, it changed colors and it was about the size of the Moon. We watched it for ten minutes, but none of us could figure out what it was. One thing's for sure, I'll never make fun of people who say they've seen unidentified objects in the sky.?"
-President Jimmy Carter</blockquote>


<blockquote>
"This was no ordinary UFO. Scores of people saw it. It was no illusion, no deception, no imagination."
Air Marshall Azim Daudpota Zimbabwe Air Force, commenting on a UFO witnessed in July of 1985 by many people and tracked on radar.</blockquote>


<blockquote>
"Of course UFOs are real, and they are interplanetary. The cumulative evidence for the existence of UFOs is quite overwhelming and I accept the fact of their existence."
Air Chief Marshall Lord Hugh Dowding
Commanding Officer of the Royal Air Force during WWII.</blockquote>


<blockquote>
"I certainly believe in aliens in space, and that they are indeed visiting our planet. They may not look like us, but I have very strong feelings that they have advanced beyond our mental capabilities."?-Senator Barry Goldwater (1965)</blockquote>


<blockquote>
"We must insist upon full access to disks recovered. For instance, in the LA case the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination."?-J. Edgar Hoover</blockquote>

truegroup 28-08-2016 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by omnisense (Post 1062786644)
It's not wrong to ask for evidence really, but we all know if someone gave you evidence you would reject it or try to debunk it. It's pretty clear it was not a sincere request for open minded consideration is what I mean...

Well of course I would try to debunk it. The point is it should be able to stand up to scrutiny....not fall into the pit of poo at the first hurdle.
Your claim it wasn't sincere is insincere of you. My requests are exactly as framed....ie. back up the outlandish claim.
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Perceive as you wish.
Yes I will.

Cryptoverse 28-08-2016 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by truegroup (Post 1062786648)
Well of course I would try to debunk it. The point is it should be able to stand up to scrutiny....not fall into the pit of poo at the first hurdle.
Your claim it wasn't sincere is insincere of you. My requests are exactly as framed....ie. back up the outlandish claim.

I just did back it up. The post before yours.

And in your quest for debunking you fail to see objective truths and evidences.

truegroup 28-08-2016 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by omnisense (Post 1062786649)
I just did back it up. The post before yours.

And in your quest for debunking you fail to see objective truths and evidences.

No. You backed up your claim of ufos/etc show me where this backs up the secret space program and the off world bases.

I don't have a quest and I know what evidence is.

paddy_blake 28-08-2016 08:54 PM

I am open minded. I'd like to hear the evidence.

NOTE: Personal testimony isn't evidence.

ambrose123 28-08-2016 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truegroup (Post 1062786638)
Oh I was being flippant:cheerleader: Omnisense liked your post though - which bugs me.

You want some evidence? Why don't you ask for some to support this secret space program? One that involves quantum leap technology and bases on the Moon and Mars impervious to solar storms etc.

As for your personal jibe, finding problems with people who make outlandish claims isn't the same as "no.1 friend of the official line"! You seem to be constantly making observations about me rather than my posts,:clap:

Why do I need to ask for evidence for something I concur with ? Huh?


Do you understand where I am coming from? . A yes or no will suffice.

Cryptoverse 28-08-2016 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by truegroup (Post 1062786655)
No. You backed up your claim of ufos/etc show me where this backs up the secret space program and the off world bases.

Like I said, it takes a little critical thinking. :doh:

Cryptoverse 28-08-2016 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by paddy_blake (Post 1062786663)
NOTE: Personal testimony isn't evidence.

Sometimes it's not sturdy evidence but testimony actually is evidence.

paddy_blake 28-08-2016 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omnisense (Post 1062786669)
Sometimes it's not sturdy evidence but testimony actually is evidence.

Not in this case.


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