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cosmic tramp 05-07-2017 06:45 PM

The Dark Truth of The Templars
 
Tonight( Wed. 5th July - UK) : "The Dark Truth of The Templars" ~ Yesterday Channel (Freeview 19) 8pm -9pm

elshaper 05-07-2017 07:09 PM

If it's any good, can someone upload it on utube and post the link? Cheers.

jake_ball 05-07-2017 07:14 PM

I bet they never do a programme called "The Dark Truth of the Globalists".

cosmic tramp 05-07-2017 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jake_ball (Post 1062941016)
I bet they never do a programme called "The Dark Truth of the Globalists".

I think they just did...the spin they gave the Templars on what I just watched is that they were the root of it all. Riches galore.

elshaper 05-07-2017 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmic tramp (Post 1062941074)
I think they just did...the spin they gave the Templars on what I just watched is that they were the root of it all. Riches galore.

Was it worth watching?

cosmic tramp 05-07-2017 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by elshaper (Post 1062941080)
Was it worth watching?

Very. I don't usually say that about things Yesterday TV come out it with, e.g yet another Bermuda Triangle Mystery Solved documentary or UFO cover up Area 51 through the back door key hole etc. etc. yaaaaaaaawn.

No, this was quite good, presented by a host of historians who pretty much agree Templars were first and foremost a financial threat to the clergy more than anything else which is why they were closed down so rapidly.

Regarding the mystical stuff which they may or may not have come across, historians admit nobody knows, though they are pretty sure they were in on something possibly ancient scripture wise, which would've challenged Christian doctrine entirely.

The SAS/Goldman Sachs of their day, they camped out in Solomon's Temple no less and were primarily successful gold (not God) diggers, treasure hunters and money lenders, massive recruitment programme in return for yet more wealth from enrolees only too eager to join in the Crusades in return for handing over all they owned, lots of influence, owned huge farmlands and businesses, high contacts and connections within Islamic community also.

Enormous wealth and autonomy.

Worship of cats and Baphomet supposedly , though many of their alleged secret ritual systems may well have been just malicious gossip spread by King Philip of France to get them in trouble with the Pope who ultimately sanctioned their capture, torture and execution.


Their enormous wealth of gold however had long since been spirited away elsewhere (possibly Europe/UK/maybe what later became USA) before they were located and captured...(remind you of anybody - circa 1945 ?)

Jaques de Molay was their main man:

http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaques_de_Molay

P.S. This programme put another book on my reading list : "Foucault's Pendulum " by Italian author/philosopher Umberto Eco (1988) which is a novel exploring what may have become of the Templar's secrets after 1307.

cosmic tramp 08-07-2017 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by elshaper (Post 1062941080)
Was it worth watching?

Repeated tonight ( Saturday 7pm on Yesterday TV)

elshaper 08-07-2017 12:07 PM

yeah but.... I DON'T HAVE A TEL-LIEEEEEE.

cosmic tramp 08-07-2017 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by elshaper (Post 1062941843)
yeah but.... I DON'T HAVE A TEL-LIEEEEEE.

Oh I see. Don't know if Yesterday TV have a website ?

Yes they have...here it is:

http://www.yesterday.uktv.co.uk

edit : (link rectified)

elshaper 08-07-2017 12:22 PM

Oh brilliant cosmic.
Just noticed, Secrets of the Bible, The Search for Sodom is on at 16:00. ;)

elshaper 08-07-2017 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmic tramp (Post 1062941082)
Worship of cats and Baphomet supposedly , though many of their alleged secret ritual systems may well have been just malicious gossip spread by King Philip of France to get them in trouble with the Pope who ultimately sanctioned their capture, torture and execution.

I have never looked at the map like this but may be it has something to do with Egyptology? :thud:
https://files.brightside.me/files/ne...1496430065.jpg

iamawaveofthesea 08-07-2017 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmic tramp (Post 1062941082)
Regarding the mystical stuff which they may or may not have come across, historians admit nobody knows, though they are pretty sure they were in on something possibly ancient scripture wise, which would've challenged Christian doctrine entirely.

They were qabalists carrying out ritual initiations

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Originally Posted by cosmic tramp (Post 1062941082)
The SAS/Goldman Sachs of their day, they camped out in Solomon's Temple no less and were primarily successful gold (not God) diggers, treasure hunters and money lenders, massive recruitment programme in return for yet more wealth from enrolees only too eager to join in the Crusades in return for handing over all they owned, lots of influence, owned huge farmlands and businesses, high contacts and connections within Islamic community also..

They invented the cheque. So pilgrims travelling to the holy land could avoid carrying gold or silver which might be stolen from them by depositing it with the templars at the beginning of their journey in return for a written promissory note. Once at the other end they would hand over their note to the templars in the levant who would then hand over the required amount

The journey to the levant by land or sea was dangerous and many people would not have completed the journey. This no doubt would have mean that their money was forfit and property of the templars

JustMe418 08-07-2017 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea (Post 1062941912)
They were qabalists carrying out ritual initiations



They invented the cheque. So pilgrims travelling to the holy land could avoid carrying gold or silver which might be stolen from them by depositing it with the templars at the beginning of their journey in return for a written promissory note. Once at the other end they would hand over their note to the templars in the levant who would then hand over the required amount

The journey to the levant by land or sea was dangerous and many people would not have completed the journey. This no doubt would have mean that their money was forfit and property of the templars

The cheque in this respect was a good idea though dont you think, especially in a time when travelling with wealth would have been very risky.

If they really were qabbalists doing ritual initiations then so what? why is that a problem?

elshaper 08-07-2017 10:28 PM

doh! I missed it again. *facepalm*

JustMe418 09-07-2017 11:07 AM

Interesting show but nothing new in what was said though.

iamawaveofthesea 09-07-2017 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JustMe418 (Post 1062941944)
The cheque in this respect was a good idea though dont you think, especially in a time when travelling with wealth would have been very risky.

If they really were qabbalists doing ritual initiations then so what? why is that a problem?

the problem comes in what their overall aims were

so if they were really a pyramidal hierarchy answering to a bloodline el-ite who acted as conduits to occult forces seeking to enslave the rest of humanity under a world government that they would control then i think that is sinister

were they in fact a sect of jewish supremicists looking to use financial arcanery to ruin and then dominate non jews?

JustMe418 09-07-2017 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea (Post 1062942118)
the problem comes in what their overall aims were

so if they were really a pyramidal hierarchy answering to a bloodline el-ite who acted as conduits to occult forces seeking to enslave the rest of humanity under a world government that they would control then i think that is sinister

were they in fact a sect of jewish supremicists looking to use financial arcanery to ruin and then dominate non jews?

lol, like the show said, the lack of complete facts leaves a lot of room for people to make up their own stories.

The French king and the pope he manipulated into their betrayal is what is really sinister about all of this, all motivated by greed and debt that he didnt want to pay back.

iamawaveofthesea 09-07-2017 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JustMe418 (Post 1062942123)
lol, like the show said, the lack of complete facts leaves a lot of room for people to make up their own stories.

The French king and the pope he manipulated into their betrayal is what is really sinister about all of this, all motivated by greed and debt that he didnt want to pay back.

So it's always the fault of the borrower is it?

JustMe418 09-07-2017 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea (Post 1062942125)
So it's always the fault of the borrower is it?

When the borrower wants more and more then doesnt want to pay back but uses their power to destroy the lender then yes.

Are you trying to justify the action of Phillip, a monster who tortured these captured templars before burning them at the stake? clearly he was a sick man!

iamawaveofthesea 09-07-2017 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JustMe418 (Post 1062942131)
When the borrower wants more and more then doesnt want to pay back but uses their power to destroy the lender then yes.

Are you trying to justify the action of Phillip, a monster who tortured these captured templars before burning them at the stake? clearly he was a sick man!

Philip was a ruthless king for sure. However he seems to have wanted to do more then stamp out the templars in france alone as he wrote to other monarchs around europe telling them to clamp down as well which makes me wonder if there is more to his actions then just debt relief

But if you can get someone in debt and then orchestrate events to ensure a person cannot repay debts then you can apply a lot of leverage or demand collateral. The banks who gave out sub prime mortgages in recent years knowing that when the central banks raised interests rates the mortgage holders would not be able to keep up with payments so that the bankers could then repossess their homes is in my opinion criminal lending

to think the templars were poor innocent victims i think doesn't accurately capture the extent of their empire building or their own ambitions


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