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lightgiver 11-01-2012 07:11 PM

Islamic secret societies
"The initiatic journey to Islamic soil has been a repeated theme of European esotericism, ever since the Templars settled in Jerusalem and the mythical Christian Rosenkreuz learnt his trade in "Damcar" (Damascus). We find it in the lives of Paracelsus and Cagliostro, then, as travel became easier, in a whole host that includes P. B. Randolph, H. P. Blavatsky, Max Theon, G. I. Gurdjieff, Aleister Crowley, Rene Guenon, R. A. Schwaller de Lubicz, and Henry Corbin. There was very likely some element of this in Napoleon's Egyptian campaign of 1797, when he announced to an astounded audience that he, too, was a Muslim.."

Godfrey Higgins (1772-1833), whose books influenced Madame Blavatsky and the early Theosophists, also concluded the Ismaili Assassins passed their mysteries on to Europe's Templars, Freemasons, and Rosicrucians. Higgins resolutely defended Muhammed, the Prophet of Islam, and expressed the hope to visit the Moorish lands of Egypt, Palestine and Syria before he died. Early this century the writer and mystic Laurence Oliphant reasoned the Druze and Nusairi sects were the custodians of the most complete system of secret knowledge. In The Treasure of Montsegur, an authoritative book on the medieval Cathars, the scholar R.A. Gilbert argues that the doctrines of the Nusairis are identical to those of the Cathars.

Eighteenth-century Rosicrucians claimed sources in Arabia for their secret wisdom. Indeed, a central Rosicrucian 'myth' tells how young Christian Rosenkreuz [Rosie Cross] journeyed to "the mystic Arabian city of Damcar" in search of lost knowledge. According to Manly P. Hall:

C.R.C. [Christian Rosie Cross] was but sixteen years of age when he arrived at Damcar. He was received as one who had been long expected, a comrade and a friend in philosophy, and was instructed in the secrets of the Arabian adepts. While there, C.R.C. learned Arabic and translated the sacred book M into Latin, and upon returning to Europe he brought this important volume with him. After studying three years in Damcar, C.R.C. departed for the [Moorish] city of Fez, where Arabian magicians declared further information would be given him.

The Rosicrucians - also called the 'Society of Unknown Philosophers' and the 'Invisible College' - counted among their number not only Sir Francis Bacon, but Robert Fludd, Saint Germain and Cagliostro. Held to be one of the founders of Western science and philosophy, Francis Bacon is also the real author of Shakespeare's works. Within the writings attributed to Shakespeare can be found Sufi ideas placed there by Francis Bacon.

Roger Bacon, known as the "miraculous Doctor," received his knowledge of medicine and the natural sciences from North African Moorish teachers. He often wore Arab dress at Oxford, knew the Arabic language, and translated Sufi texts. Bacon asserted that his knowledge was only part of a whole body of ancient wisdom known to Noah and Abraham, to Zoroaster, to the Chaldean, Egyptian and Greek masters, and to Muslim mystics.

"[The] conception of every doctrine as having two aspects, one exoteric and the other esoteric, apparently contradictory but in reality complementary, may be taken as a general rule since it corresponds with the nature of things as they are. Even when this distinction is not openly acknowledged, there exists of necessity in any doctrine of any depth at all something which corresponds to these two aspects, illustrated by such well known antitheses as outer and inner, the bone and the marrow, the visible and the occult, the wide road and the narrow, letter and spirit, the rind and the flesh."

The Holy Quran has both an exoteric (zahir - the outer or apparent) meaning and an esoteric (batin - the inner or secret) meaning. Within Islamic esotericism, as in the original Mosaic and Christian revelations, knowledge is made accessible depending on the integrity and cognitive ability of its recipients, with the consequence of requiring the withholding of information from the uninitiated. This is why there has always been a gradual unveiling or communication of spiritual truths to mankind. What Muslim esotericists call the "wisdom of gradualness" (hikmat at-tadrij).

The Sufi schools and brotherhoods are renowned for propagating Islam throughout the world. Their piety, deep spirituality and tolerance, enabled the Sufis to attract a large following. As one author says:

The brotherhoods rendered their incalculable, monumental services to Islam in three different ways: they prevented Islam from becoming a cold and formal doctrine, keeping it alive as an intimate, compassionate faith; they were mainly responsible for spreading the faith in east Asia and sub-Saharan Africa; and they were among the foremost leaders in Islam's military and political battles against the encroaching power of the Christian West.

Spiritual knowledge, states a highly regarded Islamic esoteric text, is like food and light:

Just as a small child needs to be fed gradually, stage by stage, until it reaches adolescence, so that it may not eat something detrimental to its constitution, and just as light is appropriate only to persons with open, healthy and strong eyes, so that a person whose eyes have been shut, or had just emerged from darkness, will be severely dazzled by daylight, in the same way, those who get hold of this Letter should communicate it only to those who are in need of it.

Our cause is the truth of truth. It is the exoteric, the esoteric of the exoteric and the esoteric of the esoteric. It is the secret of the secret; it is the secret of that which remains wrapped in secret.

- Hadith of the Sixth Imam


lightgiver 11-01-2012 07:55 PM

The Assassins (Persian/Arabic: حشاشين Ḥashshāshīn, also Hashishin, Hassassin, or Hashashiyyin) were an order of Nizari Ismailis, particularly those of Persia (and Syria) that existed from around 1092 to 1265. Posing a strong military threat to Sunni Saljuq authority within the Persian territories, the Nizari Ismailis captured and inhabited many mountain fortresses under the leadership of Hassan-i Sabbah.

The name 'Assassin', from the Arabic Hashishin or "users of hashish", was originally derogatory and used by their adversaries during the Middle Ages. The modern word 'assassin' is derived from this name. However, Amin Malouf states that "The truth is different. According to texts that have come down to us from Alamut, Hassan-i Sabbah liked to call his disciples Asasiyun, meaning people who are faithful to the Asās, meaning 'foundation' of the faith. This is the word, misunderstood by foreign travelers, that seemed similar to 'hashish'".


The origins of the Assassins trace back to just before the First Crusade around 1080. It is difficult to find out much information about the origins of the Assassins because most early sources are either written by enemies of the cult or based on legends. Most sources dealing with the order’s inner working were destroyed with the capture of Alamut, the Assassins' headquarters. However, it is possible to trace the beginnings of the cult back to its first Grandmaster, Hasan-i Sabbah. A passionate believer of the Isma’ili beliefs, Hasan-i-Sabbah was well liked throughout Cairo, Syria, and most of the Middle East by other Isma’ili, which led to a number of people becoming his followers. Using his fame and popularity, Sabbah founded the Order of the Assassins. While his motives for founding this order are ultimately unknown, it has been speculated that it was for his own political and personal gain and to also exact vengeance on his enemies. His motivation for political power probably came through what he thought to be dealings with other Muslims in the Middle East, particularly Sunnis, but because of the unrest in the holy land caused by the Crusades, Hasan-i-Sabbah found himself not only fighting for power with other Muslims, but also with the invading Christian forces.

The Assassins were finally linked by the 19th century orientalist scholar Silvestre de Sacy to the Arabic hashish using their variant names assassin and assissini in the 19th century. Citing the example of one of the first written applications of the Arabic term hashish to the Ismailis by 13th century historian Abu Shama, de Sacy demonstrated its connection to the name given to the Ismailis throughout Western scholarship. The first known usage of the term hashishi has been traced back to 1122 CE when the Fatimid caliph al-Āmir employed it in derogatory reference to the Syrian Nizaris.Used figuratively, the term hashishi connoted meanings such as outcasts or rabble. Without actually accusing the group of using the hashish drug, the Caliph used the term in a pejorative manner. This label was quickly adopted by anti-Ismaili historians and applied to the Ismailis of Syria and Persia. The spread of the term was further facilitated through military encounters between the Nizaris and the Crusaders, whose chroniclers adopted the term and disseminated it across Europe.

The Assassins were eradicated by the Mongol Empire during the well documented invasion of Khwarizm. They probably dispatched their assassins to kill Mongke Khan. Thus a decree was handed over to the Mongol commander Kitbuqa who began to assault several Hashshashin fortresses in 1253 before Hulagu's advance in 1256. The Mongols besieged Alamut on December 15, 1256. The Assassins recaptured and held Alamut for a few months in 1275, but they were crushed and their political power was lost forever.

The Syrian branch of the Assassins was taken over by the Mamluk Sultan Baibars in 1273. The Mamluks continued to use the services of the remaining Assassins: Ibn Battuta reported in the 14th century their fixed rate of pay per murder. In exchange, they were allowed to exist. Eventually, they resorted to the act of Taqq'iya , hiding their true identities until their Imams would awaken them.

According to the historian Yaqut al-Hamawi, the Böszörmény, (Izmaleita or Ismaili/Nizari) denomination of the Muslims who lived in the Kingdom of Hungary in the 10–13th centuries, were employed as mercenaries by the kings of Hungary. However following the establishment of the Christian Kingdom of Hungary their community was vanquished by the end of the 13th century due to the Inquisitions ordered by the Catholic Church during the reign of Coloman, King of Hungary.

The 19th century philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche gives prominent focus to what he terms "the order of Assassins", in section 24 of On the Genealogy of Morality. Nietzsche's signature work is to point to the worthlessness of religion, and to attempt at the transvaluation of values, that is, to transcend the inherited Jewish and Christian politics, psychology and ethics of ressentiment or guilt. He aims at going beyond the categories of good and evil since they suppress the full potential of the strong and talented. Nietzsche heralds the arrival of the so-called 'free spirits' who no longer believe in truth. Thus, they alone are capable of redeeming the world of the modern ills of comfort, mediocrity, and nihilism.

Importantly, Nietzsche attacks the false spirits who are the host of self-describing 'unbelievers' of modern times who claim to reject religious deception as scholars and philosophers and yet retain the traditional beliefs in good and evil, and truth. Nietzsche compares the genuine free spirits with the Assassins: "When the Christian crusaders in the Orient came across that invincible order of Assassins – that order of free spirits par excellence whose lowest order received, through some channel or other, a hint about that symbol and spell reserved for the uppermost echelons alone, as their secret: "nothing is true, everything is permitted". Now that was freedom of the spirit, with that, belief in truth itself was renounced."


lightgiver 12-01-2012 09:05 PM

Cairo Lodge



Living standards in Egypt are low by international standards, and have declined consistently since 1990. According to United Nations figures, some 20 to 30 percent of the population live below the poverty line. Despite widespread poverty, however, uneven development has led to the emergence of an affluent class that controls most of the country's wealth and enjoys an elevated standard of living that includes shopping at centers that feature the best imported goods.



lightgiver 12-01-2012 09:12 PM

Muslim Brotherhood
The Forbes Rich List, which was published in the US last week, has uncovered 30 billionaires from the Arab world, contradicting the Arabian Business Rich List , which uncovered 45 billionaires in the region.

Saudi Billionaire Throws Money On Women...

The richest Arab on both lists was Lebanese entrepreneur, now living in Mexico, Carlos Slim Helu, who was credited with a fortune of $49 billion by Forbes, considerably higher than the $34.6 billion attributed to him by Arabian Business.

Car with Diamonds, Mercedez Benz,Owner Saudi Prince Al Waleed...

Saudi Arabian investor Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal al Saud was the second richest Arab on both lists with a fortune of $20.3 billion, up slightly on the $28 billion that Arabian Business discovered. The difference could be attributed to the four months that have passed since the Arabian Business magazine research was concluded.

Several prominent names, particularly from the UAE, were missing from the Forbes list despite their wealth comfortably clearing the $1 billion barrier that was required to feature.

zero1 12-01-2012 11:49 PM


Originally Posted by lightgiver (Post 1060513725)

That is obscene. :(

lightgiver 13-01-2012 12:07 AM

Prince Alwaleed bin Talal

Originally Posted by zero1 (Post 1060514124)
That is obscene. :(


Saudi billionaire Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, an investor in some of the world’s top companies, has bought a stake in Twitter for $300 million, gaining another foothold in the global media industry.

Alwaleed, a nephew of Saudi Arabia’s king estimated by Forbes magazine in March to have a fortune of $19.6 billion, already owns a 7 percent stake in News Corp (NWSA.O) and plans to start a cable news channel.

Al-Waleed bin Talal was born to Talal ibn Abd al-Aziz ( the son of the founding King of Saudi Arabia, Abdul Aziz Al Saud ) and Princess Mona El-Solh, daughter of Riad as-Solh, Lebanon's first Prime Minister. He is Prince Talal's second son.

Al-Waleed received a Bachelors of Science degree in Business Administration with high honors from Menlo College in California in 1979. He then received a Master's of Social Science with honors from Syracuse University in 1985.

Al-Waleed began his business career in 1979 upon graduation from Menlo College in California. The Prince's activities as an investor came to prominence when he bought a substantial tranche of shares in Citicorp in the 1990s when that firm was in difficulties. With an initial investment of $550 million ($2.98 a share after adjusting for stock splits, acquisitions and spin-offs, according to Bloomberg calculations) to bail out Citibank caused by underperforming American real estate loans and Latin American businesses, his holdings in Citigroup now comprise for about $1 billion. His investments in Citibank earned him the title of "Arabian Warren Buffett".

Menlo College, often referred to as Menlo, is a private, four-year baccalaureate college specializing in business located in the Silicon Valley town of Atherton, California.

Michael Jackson with prince alwaleed bin talal of saudi 1997 ...

In October 2001, following the World Trade Center attacks, New York mayor Rudy Giuliani turned down a $10 million donation from Al-Waleed for disaster relief after the prince suggested the United States "must address some of the issues that led to such a criminal attack," and "re-examine its policies in the Middle East." Giuliani interpreted his statements as drawing "a moral equivalency between liberal democracies like the United States, like Israel, and terrorist states and those who condone terrorism."

In 2002, Al-Waleed donated 18.5 million British pounds (US$27 million) to the families of Palestinians during a TV telethon following Israeli operations in the West Bank city of Jenin. The telethon was ordered by Saudi King Fahd to help relatives of Palestinian martyrs. The Saudi government maintained the term "martyrs" referred not to suicide bombers but to "Palestinians [who are] victimized by Israeli terror and violence."

In 2002, Al-Waleed donated $500,000 to help fund the George Herbert Walker Bush Scholarship at Phillips Academy in Andover, Massachusetts.

His real estate holdings have included large stakes in the Four Seasons hotel chain and the Plaza Hotel in New York. He sold half of his shares in the latter in August 2004. He has made investments in London's Savoy Hotel and Monaco's Monte Carlo Grand Hotel. He currently holds a 10% stake in Euro Disney SCA, the company that owns, manages and maintains Disneyland Paris in Marne-la-Vallee, France.

In January 2005, Al-Waleed purchased the Savoy Hotel in London for an estimated GBP £250 million, to be managed by Fairmont Hotels; his sister, The Princess Sultana Nurul Al-Waleed owns an estimated 16% stake. In January 2006, in partnership with the U.S. real estate firm Colony Capital, Kingdom Holding acquired Toronto, CA-based Fairmont Hotels for an estimated $3.9 billion.

In August 2011, Al-Waleed announced that his company had contracted Saudi Binladen Group to build the next tallest building in the World, the Kingdom Tower at a height of at least 1,000 metres (3,300 ft) for SR 4.6 billion. The original plan announced in 2008 called it برج الميل (Arabic for "the Tower of One Mile") at 1,609 metres (5,279 ft) and an estimated cost of US$10 billion...


lightgiver 13-01-2012 12:45 AM

Illuminati Arabs

Originally Posted by zero1 (Post 1060514124)
That is obscene. :(

Its just a pity they don't throw it where it belongs...How come these people have so much wealth, I always thought that countrys and their resources belong to the people with equal share...and yes it is disgustingly obscene...

Saudi billionaire and Chairman of Kingdom Holdings, HRH Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin AbdulAziz Alsaud has signified his interest to invest in Nigeria. The Prince made his intentions known yesterday when he paid a courtesy visit to Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan at the State House in Abuja.

Playing host to the Prince, President Jonathan thanked the globally renowned investor for his interest in the country and referred to Nigeria as the best destination for any serious businesses looking to invest in Africa. The encounter was detailed on Nigeria’s TV network news on Thursday night and President Jonathan’s office issued a statement Friday morning detailing the discussion.

“With a population of 167 million, a robust economy, extensive oil and gas reserves, a largely unexploited petroleum downstream sector, opportunities in such strategic sectors as agriculture, energy and mining, with a robust plan by government to transform the nation(yeah right), Nigeria is the ideal place for serious(greedy selfish) investors,” Jonathan said.


lightgiver 13-01-2012 01:13 AM

Bakr bin Laden
Bakr bin Laden, brother of Osama bin Laden, is the chairman of the Jeddah-based Saudi Binladin Group and the largest majority shareholder in the Group, with a 23.58% holding.

A major power broker in the Saudi business capital, Bakr tends to keep a low profile: "We have a mayor and all kinds of political heavyweights. But the true ruler of Jeddah is Bakr bin Laden," said a source for an article in the German magazine Der Spiegel. "Bakr is never seen in public, and when he does occasionally go to the InterContinental for dinner -- sometimes with Osama's son Abdullah-- he has the entire restaurant closed."

Bakr bin Laden attended college at the University of Miami in Coral Gables, Florida, United States in 1979.

The bin Laden group is represented in most Saudi cities — Riyadh, Dammam — and in a number of capital cities in the region (Beirut, Cairo, Amman, Dubai). According to a synopsis by the PBS news program Frontline...

in Egypt the SBG is headed by Abdul Aziz bin Laden, and represents that country's largest foreign-owned private equity group, with over 40,000 employees.

in Lebanon the SBG, represented by Yehia bin Laden, has been (before the July War) holding negotiations with the local authorities for a $50 million share in the project to rebuild the Beirut Central District within the framework of the Solidere Project and in conjunction with the al Baraka Group and the bin Mahfouz Group.

in London the SBG set up a representative firm called Binexport in November 1990.

On December 20, 2005, the government of Saudi Arabia awarded a consortium of Saudi and Emirati companies, including the Saudi Binladin Group, a $26.6 billion contract to build King Abdullah Economic City.

The Group is constructing Abraj Al Bait Towers in Mecca and has been contracted by Kingdom Holding Company to build the Kingdom Tower.

THE Prince of Wales has entertained a brother of Osama bin Laden - since the terrorist attacks on America - in his efforts to promote a greater understanding of Islam.

Bakr bin Laden, a prominent Saudi businessman, was a guest at Highgrove two weeks ago at a dinner hosted by Prince Charles.

The dinner was to support the Oxford Centre of Islamic Studies, where the bin Laden family funds a fellowship programme, and was organised months before the atrocity, to discuss educating people about Islam.



bikerdruid 13-01-2012 01:33 AM

what is the point of this thread?:confused:

jconnar 13-01-2012 01:49 AM


Originally Posted by bikerdruid (Post 1060514356)
what is the point of this thread?:confused:

The propagation of information for those who need it.

lightgiver 13-01-2012 01:55 AM

The Saudis and other oil-rich Arabs
The oil-rich Arab leaders have a growing influence over the western media.

Alwaleed Says He'll Continue Working With Goldman Sachs...

A good chunk of AOL Time Warner is owned by Prince Alwaleed Ibn Talal the Saudi billionaire. It is well known that Prince AlWaleed is a front for the Saudi royal family. All of the oil money that is swindled from Aramco the Saudi oil company is "invested" by Prince Al Waleed and his company.

The Saudis and other oil-rich Arabs are busy buying influence over what Westerners hear about Islam.

Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz Al-Saud, a member of the Saudi Royal Family, is an international investor currently ranked among the ten richest persons in the world.

He is known in the USA for a $10 million check he offered to New York City Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani in October 2001 for the Twin Towers Fund. Mayor Giuliani returned the gift when he learned that the prince had called for the United States to "re-examine its policies in the Middle East and adopt a more balanced stance toward the Palestinian cause."

Prince Talal is also creating a TV channel, Al-Resalah, to target American Muslims. He already broadcasts in Saudi Arabia. In 2005, Bin Talal bought 5.46% of voting shares in News Corp, the parent of Fox News.

Al-Resalah (Arabic: قناة الرسالة‎; The Message) is an Arabic language satellite television channel "to present true Islam".

It is funded by Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal of Saudi Arabia, recorded in all over the United Arab Emirates to Morocco and Kuwait, and broadcast from Cairo. Al-Resalah has slots on the Arabsat and Nilesat satellites, serving primarily the Middle East, but North Africa and Europe as well.

In December 2005 he boasted to Middle East Online about his ability to change what viewers see on Fox News. Covering the riots in France that fall, Fox ran a banner saying: "Muslim riots." Bin Talal was not happy. "I picked up the phone and called Murdoch [...] [and told him] these are not Muslim riots, these are riots out of poverty," he said. "Within 30 minutes, the title was changed from Muslim riots to civil riots."


lightgiver 13-01-2012 02:09 AM

Saudi Royal Family Corruption


lightgiver 13-01-2012 02:22 AM

Saudi billionaire denies giving up land to Egypt
Saudi billionaire Prince Alwaleed bin Talal said Wednesday he had submitted a settlement plan over tens of thousands of acres of agricultural land that critics contend were bought at cut-rate prices in another example of the cronyism rampant under the previous regime.Alwaleed, who heads investment firm Kingdom Holding Co and is a major Citigroup stakeholder, has repeatedly come under fire in Egypt over the more than 100,000 acres of land he was awarded in southern Egypt as part of a government mega project launched in the late 1990s to transform the desert area into a new agricultural region.

The Toshka project— an ambitious expensive scheme to divert Nile water at the southern tip of Egypt to create a second Nile Valley — has cost billions and barely gotten off the ground.

Critics have argued that the Saudi billionaire was sold the land at cut-rate prices and has failed to honour the terms of the contract that was signed in 1998. Under the deal, Alwaleed was to have developed half the land within a few years, but critics say that only a fraction it has been developed.The project is just one of several land deals that have come under increased scrutiny since Mubarak’s ouster in February.Many Egyptians contend the former president and officials routinely abused their power, offering sweetheart deals to relatives, associates or close supporters.Many of the former officials, including the prime minister, the interior minister and two housing ministers, are being investigated on such charges and the claims have threatened to undercut investor confidence in some key Egyptian companies seen as linked to the former ministers.


bikerdruid 13-01-2012 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by jconnar (Post 1060514385)
The propagation of information for those who need it.

ah yes, the propagation of hatred for islam.

martg 13-01-2012 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by bikerdruid (Post 1060514669)
ah yes, the propagation of hatred for islam.

There is nothing anti-Islamic in this thread, those rich sheiks etc.. are not true muslims.

lightgiver 13-01-2012 02:42 PM

Muslim take over

Originally Posted by bikerdruid (Post 1060514669)
ah yes, the propagation of hatred for islam.

Why should we like Islam...you can't make people like something...what is your purpose here druid biker...


Originally Posted by bikerdruid (Post 1060514364)
capital punishment is a barbaric custom, only carried out by barbaric states.
it should be repugnant to rational, thinking people.

Maybe you should go to Muslim saudi arabia on your bike driud and witness some head and hand chopping...


Originally Posted by bikerdruid (Post 1060513228)
yup...be careful not to listen to any common sense that could threaten your fantasy.
best keep your head in the sand.

maybe you need to follow some of your own advice biker druid

Why is the UK full of muslims...why has the UK let so many Muslims in this country...some people are too blind to see whats going on ...biker druid...yes you need to get on it and take a look around


Originally Posted by martg (Post 1060514717)
There is nothing anti-Islamic in this thread, those rich sheiks etc.. are not true muslims.

It is not anti muslim,you are correct there...can you tell me why there are so many muslims in the UK and why we have so much immigration in this country.


Originally Posted by lightgiver (Post 1060506687)

lightgiver 13-01-2012 07:37 PM

Saudi Prince Drug Smuggling Avoids Prosecution
U.S. and French investigators say Nayef bin Sultan bin Fawwaz al-Shalaan, a member of the Saudi royal family, used his private 727 jet to smuggle drugs from South America to Le Borget airport outside of Paris. Under the rules of diplomatic immunity, when the prince landed at the airport in his private jet, his entourage received little or no inspection, a French official said.

The prince is now under indictment in the United States and France, but he remains in Saudi Arabia, a royal fugitive, protected by his powerful family, according to U.S. drug agents.

Doris Mangeri Salazar, a real estate agent from Coral Gables, Fla., who is described as the prince's former girlfriend, and her friend Ivan Lopez Vanegas, 49, are on trial in Miami. A Swiss banker alleged to have been the money launderer in the drug trafficking scheme has been indicted but is in Spain, which refuses to extradite him.

'No Doubt Whatsoever'

There is an outstanding international arrest warrant for the prince, but there is little law enforcement can do because neither the United States nor France has an extradition treaty with Saudi Arabia.

According to a Drug Enforcement Administration agent in Miami, Joe Kilmer, the investigation yielded plenty of evidence of the prince's participation in the crime ring. "We feel there's no doubt whatsoever that the prince had every bit of knowledge as to what he was involved with," he said.

The Saudi government has not made the prince available for questioning, according to U.S. agents, and has done little to cooperate with the investigation. The Saudi government has not made any official comment on the case.


ksigmason 13-01-2012 10:11 PM

I'd love to go to Egypt and other Middle Eastern Lodges as well as going to visit the Druze. Both would be amazing.

bikerdruid 13-01-2012 10:50 PM

and much closer to home.....
the koch roaches and the walton larvae are evil rich americans.
do they not concern you?

ksigmason 14-01-2012 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by bikerdruid (Post 1060516454)
and much closer to home.....
the koch roaches and the walton larvae are evil rich americans.
do they not concern you?

What does this have to do with Islamic secret societies?

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