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gestaltdude 12-03-2010 12:51 AM

Star Trek
 
Just thought I'd start a thread in which we can discuss the symbolism, ideas and conditioning in the Star Trek franchise. If there is already something like this on this forum (I've run a search and have been unable to find anything) then please make whatever changes are needed.

I'd like to start with DS9, that i've been watching for the last week or so. Of course there is the obvious one world/galactic sector government that is being portrayed as an idyllic paradise, where everyone has wht they need and there is no money thus no real need to work.

What really caught my attention was in the third season episdoe "The Abandoned", in which a baby found in the wreckage of a spceship and turns out to be a foot soldier of the federation's main enemy, who just happen to be shape shifters. Oh, and they're somewhat reptilian which i find mildly ironic, given that they are supposed to rule the world. Of course it may be a reference to the fact that, if you belive in such things, we all have repitilian genes from the melding of ET's and the primates that became homo sapines.

Sorry i tend to disgress somewhat once i start thinking. :D What really got my attention was when, having realized that the species (Jem Hadar, is it me our does that sound somewhat Arabic? No offense to any people of Arabic decent) were born dependent or addicted to a certain substance, the question was asked why. Odo, the shape shifting alien who had been security chief for years before the start of the series (shape shifter keeping an eye on everyone), comments, "If your soldiers are addicted to a drug... that only you can provide, that gives you a great deal of cntrol over them."

I'm sure there'll be more to come, naysayers who claim tha it is just tv, and trekkies correcting my mistakes. However if someone new to the forum who likes the shows stumbles across this thread and it helps them take the final step to becoming awake, its worth it.

lightgiver 12-03-2010 12:57 AM

Vulcan Lodge
 
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/8...rtrekspock.jpg

:D

http://www.middlesbroughfreemasons.org.uk/vulcan.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_(mythology)

Vulcan (Latin: Vulcanus), aka Mulciber, is the god of beneficial and hindering fire, including the fire of volcanoes in ancient Roman religion and Roman Neopaganism. He is known as Sethlans in Etruscan mythology. He was worshipped at an annual festival on August 23 known as the Volcanalia.

"Who was Tubal Cain?" Answer: "He is the Vulcan of the pagans."

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1977 12-03-2010 01:20 AM

Nimoy got the Vulcan hand sign from a Jewish ritual, which seems to confirm that, on some level at least, the Vulcans are the Jews. As I mentioned before, it seems that Abrams obviously intended the destruction of Vulcan by the villain "Nero" (666) to correspond with the destruction of the Second Temple of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70AD. And as Nero is primarily known for his persecution of the early Christians, does that make Kirk = the Church, or in true Joseph Campbell fashion, Christ himself? Does James Kirk/Church refer to the apocryphal story of James, brother of Jesus, who supposedly established the first church in Glastonbury?

I am reposting some Star Trek stuff that I already mentioned in another thread:

Star Trek is absolutely loaded with occult significance. The moral of "The Naked Time" seems to be that people must not let their personal interests get in the way of serving the Great Work (the Enterprise). Spock is the "Tubal-Cain" (Vulcan) and signifies the pure occult Science. Together, Kirk, Spock, McCoy and Scotty represent the four elements, Fire, Air, Water and Earth.

A consistent theme throughout the Original Series episodes is that the Fall of Man was for his own benefit—a very Luciferian concept, perhaps. In "This Side of Paradise," Kirk states it explicitly:
MCCOY: Well, that's the second time man's been thrown out of paradise.
KIRK: No, no. This time we walked out on our own. Maybe we weren't meant for paradise. Maybe we were meant to fight our way through – struggle, claw our way up, scratch for every inch of the way. Maybe we can't stroll to the music of the lute. We must march to the sound of drums.
Back in 1997, William Cooper wrote:
The Philosophy of the Mystery Schools is the Luciferian Philosophy as espoused by General (Christopher) Albert Pike, one of the founders of the KKK. But it is not his original thought... he just expounded upon it in forms that eventually became accessible to those who seek it out. Christopher means Christ-like. To the adept, Albert Pike achieved a mystical apotheosis in the Lodge of Perfection and brought forth the Christ within. He thus became Christed taking on the name Christopher.

Watch "StarTrek" from the beginning episodes up to the present, and you will begin to realize that it was an indoctrination into the concepts of socialism through subliminal initiation of the youth of the nation. The Captains James T. Kirk (JTK = K(nights) (of the) T(emple) (of) J(erusalem) and Christopher Pike are symbolic salutes to the Order of the Templars, and to the Brotherhoods greatest philosopher and probably its most prolific writer the Christed General Albert Pike.

The Enterprise represents their great work or plan which if navigated properly will lead them to the realization of their dream of a united socialist utopian world.
So far Cooper. Christopher Knowles has also observed that the Enterprise, NCC-1701, is the Bark of Osiris—Osiris having entered the ark on the 17th of Athyr, while the first Masonic Grand Lodge was formed in England in 1717. There is a curious similarity in shape between the Enterprise and the astrological sign for Uranus:

"The Enemy Within" also presents a concept that would be immediately familiar to occultists. Due to a transporter accident, Kirk is split into two persons, the Good Kirk and the Bad Kirk.
SPOCK: You have here an unusual opportunity to appraise the human mind, or to examine, in Earth terms, the roles of good and evil in a man. His negative side, which you call hostility, lust, violence; and his positive side, which Earth people express as compassion, love, tenderness. And what is it that makes one man an exceptional leader? We see here indications that it is his negative side which makes him strong--that his evil side, if you will, properly controlled and disciplined, is vital to his strength. Your negative side, removed from you, the power of command begins to elude you.
In other words, without his Evil side—properly controlled—the Good Kirk has no force of Magickal Will with which to command the Enterprise. In the Golden Dawn initiation, the the neophyte is told: "Child of Earth, remember that unbalanced force is evil, unbalanced mercy is but weakness, unbalanced severity is but oppression."

And again,
SPOCK: Being split into two halves is no theory with me, doctor. I have a human half, you see, as well as an alien half... submerged, constantly at war with each other. I survive it because my intelligence wins out over both, makes them live together.

lightgiver 12-03-2010 01:24 AM

Red Calf
 
During the festival bonfires were created in honour of the god, into which live fish or small animals were thrown as a sacrifice, to be consumed in the place of humans. Vulcan was among the gods placated after the Great Fire of Rome in AD 64. In response to the same fire, Domitian (emperor 81–96) established a new altar to Vulcan on the Quirinal Hill. At the same time a red bull-calf and red boar were added to the sacrifices made on the Vulcanalia, at least in that region of the city.

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Originally Posted by 1977 (Post 1058711778)
Nimoy got the Vulcan hand sign from a Jewish ritual, which seems to confirm that, on some level at least, the Vulcans are the Jews. As I mentioned before, it seems that Abrams obviously intended the destruction of Vulcan by the villain "Nero" (666) to correspond with the destruction of the Second Temple of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70AD. And as Nero is primarily known for his persecution of the early Christians, does that make Kirk = the Church, or in true Joseph Campbell fashion, Christ himself? Does James Kirk/Church refer to the apocryphal story of James, brother of Jesus, who supposedly established the first church in Glastonbury?


dreamweaver 12-03-2010 01:46 AM

Some people also see the Bajorans as Jews.

But yes, the Vulcans as Jews is fairly plausible, especially since most Vulcan characters are played by Jewish actors (the female ones have all been Jews, I believe).

passing 12-03-2010 06:56 AM

I'm totally out of touch with Star Trek, but I vividly remember watching The Wrath Of Khan as a kid, seeing the slug thing entering heads :eek::eek::eek: Nasty.

http://www.ifc.com/news/10262009_StarTrekIICetiEel.jpg

passing 12-03-2010 07:15 AM

http://julianhopkins.net/uploads/pic...KirkKiss_1.jpg

"In her role as Lt. Uhura, Nichols famously kissed white actor William Shatner as Captain James T. Kirk in the November 22, 1968 Star Trek episode "Plato's Stepchildren". This is often referred to as the first interracial kiss on US television, however that milestone actually took place when Sammy Davis, Jr. and Nancy Sinatra kissed briefly on the variety program Movin' With Nancy in December 1967. However, the kiss between Nichols and Shatner on Star Trek was the first interracial black-white kiss on a scripted non-variety television show.

The Shatner-Nichols kiss was seen as groundbreaking, even though the kiss was portrayed as having been forced by alien telekinesis. There was some praise and some protest. In her 1994 autobiography, Beyond Uhura, Star Trek and Other Memories, on page 197 Nichols cites a letter from one white Southerner who wrote: "I am totally opposed to the mixing of the races. However, any time a red-blooded American boy like Captain Kirk gets a beautiful dame in his arms that looks like Uhura, he ain't gonna fight it." During the Comedy Central roast of Shatner on August 20, 2006, Nichols jokingly referred to the groundbreaking moment and said, "Let's make TV history again ... and you can kiss my black ass!" "
-(Wikipedia)

farros 12-03-2010 08:03 AM

I would say theres a big difference in symbolism your using your imagination to construct.

and deliberate symbolism used by the PTB to condition and control you.

Dont think star trek falls into the latter. This is another example of giving WAY to much credit to the reach of the illuminati tentacles.

haukipesukone 12-03-2010 10:46 AM

Great thread. About the Jem Hadar, they look reptilian and their names seem meso/south-American. Ikat'ika, Talak'talan, Temo'Zuma. Reptilians, native americans, the plumed serpent... maybe it means something.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Category:Jem'Hadar

Lately I've been thinking about the Great Link of the changelings and the Infinite Consciousness that Icke, among others, talks about. In one episode one changeling explains how in the Great Link they all are one. One entity, but when a changeling leaves the link they become individuals. The ocean becomes the droplet, and the droplet becomes the ocean.

I started a thread about Sisko being compared to Obama some time ago.

lightgiver 12-03-2010 06:26 PM

Jtk
 
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Originally Posted by dreamweaver (Post 1058711801)
Some people also see the Bajorans as Jews.

But yes, the Vulcans as Jews is fairly plausible, especially since most Vulcan characters are played by Jewish actors (the female ones have all been Jews, I believe).

Even James T Kirk :eek::D

What about Babylon 5?

"Once I had the locale, I began to populate it with characters, and sketch out directions that might be interesting. I dragged out my notes on religion, philosophy, history, sociology, psychology, science (the ones that didn't make my head explode), and started stitching together a crazy quilt pattern that eventually formed a picture. Once I had that picture in my head, once I knew what the major theme was, the rest fell into place. All at once, I saw the full five year story in a flash, and I frantically began scribbling down notes."
— J. Michael Straczynski, 1995........................http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Michael_Straczynski

Ha Ha I bet he did.

gestaltdude 13-03-2010 06:15 AM

OK how about this one.

I'm up to Through nthe looking glass, a third season episode. This deals with the other reality that has cropped up since the original series began. The alternate Sisko has been killed, his ship destroyed. Smiley (alt obrien) kidnps sisko and persuade him to complete the mission lt sisko was on.

I wont go into the plot details, dont like posting spoilers. :D However near the end alternate Kira promises to hunt down and kill Sisko. sisko tells her that she's welcome to try.

Now for this, Kira = Bush/Obama, Sisko = Bin Laden. Bush and Obama say they're chasing Obama, but they know he's dead and been replaced by lookalikes. In their wrath at his continuing elusiveness they strike back at innocents, Kira = Terrans (humans), Bush/Obama, well, Terrans, when you get right down to it.

gestaltdude 28-03-2010 03:18 PM

I've been gradually working my way through the DS9 series and am up to seson 7, currently watching the episode "Treachery, Fzith and the Great River." This has perhaps the biggest hint yet that Roddenberry knew exactly what is going on.

One of the Vorta clones, Weyoun 6, serants of the shapeshifting "Gods" that are waging war against the solids (humanoids0 related the development of this people. He tells a story of a shapeshifting alien that is being pursued by some solids and is given sanctuary by a Vorta family. At this point they are "just primivite primates living in trees." In gratitude for the sanctuary the shapeshifter promises to elevate the species to a position of power in a gret empire. In the process the encode the Vorta DNA to ensure the shapeshifters are seen as gods.

Dont know about yo but that sounds like other shapreshifting aliens that we know of who have tampered with the DNA of other primates and declared themselves gods, sending us off to fight their wars.

dreamweaver 28-03-2010 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by gestaltdude (Post 1058711755)
I'd like to start with DS9, that i've been watching for the last week or so.

I have to admire the sheer exhaustiveness of your research there. ;)

ex sheep 28-03-2010 04:32 PM

Where can you watch all the series online, I forgot to bookmark it :o

and I've searched, can't seem to find it, thanks.

dreamweaver 28-03-2010 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ex sheep (Post 1058758542)
Where can you watch all the series online, I forgot to bookmark it :o

and I've searched, can't seem to find it, thanks.

There are naughty people who use certain torrent sites to find these things, but I couldn't possibly comment on that.

*coughsbutitsoundsalotlikeisohuntdotcom*

ex sheep 28-03-2010 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamweaver (Post 1058758550)
There are naughty people who use certain torrent sites to find these things, but I couldn't possibly comment on that.

*coughsbutitsoundsalotlikeisohuntdotcom*

There was a post on here a couple of weeks ago and you can watch it legit online, fantastic site.

ex sheep 28-03-2010 04:47 PM

Found it http://www.watchtrek.com/

enjoy :)

haukipesukone 30-03-2010 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by gestaltdude (Post 1058758407)
I've been gradually working my way through the DS9 series and am up to seson 7, currently watching the episode "Treachery, Fzith and the Great River." This has perhaps the biggest hint yet that Roddenberry knew exactly what is going on.

One of the Vorta clones, Weyoun 6, serants of the shapeshifting "Gods" that are waging war against the solids (humanoids0 related the development of this people. He tells a story of a shapeshifting alien that is being pursued by some solids and is given sanctuary by a Vorta family. At this point they are "just primivite primates living in trees." In gratitude for the sanctuary the shapeshifter promises to elevate the species to a position of power in a gret empire. In the process the encode the Vorta DNA to ensure the shapeshifters are seen as gods.

Dont know about yo but that sounds like other shapreshifting aliens that we know of who have tampered with the DNA of other primates and declared themselves gods, sending us off to fight their wars.


Roddenberry had died a long before that episode aired. He didn't have anything to do with DS9 as far as I know.

Could be that someone else knew what was going on, however.

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Originally Posted by gestaltdude (Post 1058759456)
Hi there.

I'll admit I've downloaded it from thepiratebay. if any wants i can even provide the link to the torrent. :D And in answer to the exhaustiveness (?) of my research wht can i say? When you're allergic to light and cant g outside you've got to do something with your time. Voyager is next.

Speaking of which i seem to remember an episode where Chakotay is used by a reptilian scientist as evidence that his people came from the other side of the galaxy. Further searching confirmed that the reptilians did in fact originate on earth and relocated tens of millions of years previously.

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I was pretty psyched about the reptilian episode too when I first saw 5 years ago. I had been reading stuff about the hollow earth and reptilians at that time. It definitely means something, at least that the script writer has been doing his research.

Regarding to your Vorta-comment, there was also a Voyager episode about Chakotay's tribes ancestors being genetically manipulated by aliens in the ancient past.

swamideva 03-03-2015 09:02 PM

This belongs here.


waxedsoul 03-03-2015 10:30 PM

Hehehehhe!!! Sorry, I'm chuckling away here, that's a great post Swami!! I used to love the old Star Trek as a kid but the deeper meaning obviously passed me by. That said, I've since learned that Roddenberry and indeed others maybe got their inspiration from beyond the regular sources..! The Andrija Puharich story, for example, is really interesting :eek:


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