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fudgetusk 21-08-2018 12:13 PM

Would you report a Paedophile?
 
There's a guy on here who has the opinion that you guys wouldn't know what to do if a child came to you and said they were being abused.

I asked him what he would do in that situation and he wouldn't answer. In fact he came up with four different excuses not to answer.

oz93666 21-08-2018 12:21 PM

What I would do is find out where this was going on , hide a camera and get evidence ...

If you go to the police without evidence he might get off ....

Once convicted his cell mates will take care of him....

thermion 21-08-2018 12:39 PM

Ask a teacher what their procedure is. Those I know do not hesitate to report it, even if they suspect the kid doesn't understand their 'story' and is making stuff up. Once police/social services are involved it's right out of the school's hands.

Of course even if the kid is making stuff up (and doesn't understand the gravity of their actions) for whatever reason (and apparently a few kids do - it's something they've heard about but don't necessarily understand), it can wreak a family, even if thorough investigation reveals nothing sinister ever happened.

thermion

elshaper 21-08-2018 01:47 PM

Reality
 
Well it's obvious from the posts that none of you tried reporting before.

1) If you do report, do remember, you might get investigate instead. *facepalm* I know you'd say I've got nothing to hide but like they'd waste time investigating something else other than the real cause and you must ask a question why.

2) Chances are that the social services won't be interested in the first instance. They will refer you to the school. Then the parents will have a chance to say that it's an allegation etc.... case closed!

It's actually hard to report and get it investigated UNLESS they have a child in mind they want to takeaway.

oz is right that police won't want to know your case unless you provide them with evidence like cctv though I think it is their job. :rolleyes:

So all in all, every step of the way, it is protected or encouraged shall I say. *facepalm*

the nine 21-08-2018 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oz93666 (Post 1063037349)
What I would do is find out where this was going on , hide a camera and get evidence ...

If you go to the police without evidence he might get off ....

Once convicted his cell mates will take care of him....

If you record the perp abusing the child and go to the police with the hard evidence, you will be arrested for creating and watching child porn and you will be arrested and placed on the sex register..
Be very aware..

Perhaps poisoning the perps to death would be beneficial to society as opposed to supplying another victim to the state to abuse and lose in their system ?

fudgetusk 21-08-2018 02:04 PM

But you would try to stop the abuse by reporting it. Or convincing the child to report it. You wouldn't let it keep happening. You would do everything in your power to stop the abuse.

You see the bloke I'm having this discussion with says there is no such thing as evil. No right or wrong. Hence we must surely not be concerned about child abuse, rape, murder, poisons such as Glyphosate in our food etc etc.

He says all we are doing on this forum is a waste of time.

hayed joe 21-08-2018 02:17 PM

I don't feel there would be anything I could actually do. If I'm the trusted adult they run to for reporting then things are in a bad way. There is scrawled on a closed pub wall over the road the word nonce and names scribbled out.
I also see the name scrubbed out but word nonce left (and "Lizard") written above it on a Bus journey.
So I'm doing nowhere near enough because I have no proof. Knowing my luck the people around here probably think I'm one due to keeping to myself and not bothering to interact with kids. And that beard probably didn't help!
But then that's sad because it's allowed people around here to overlook it happening closer to them.
That's if they think that. But go up to someone and say "Do you think he's/she's/they are a paedophile?" and see how far you get.
I despise paedonphillia, despise it becoming pardonophillia, and unhappy I wouldn't know what to do if an abused child came to me for help.
Heartbroken if it happens to my nephew or niece.

the nine 21-08-2018 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fudgetusk (Post 1063037358)
But you would try to stop the abuse by reporting it. Or convincing the child to report it. You wouldn't let it keep happening. You would do everything in your power to stop the abuse.

You see the bloke I'm having this discussion with says there is no such thing as evil. No right or wrong. Hence we must surely not be concerned about child abuse, rape, murder, poisons such as Glyphosate in our food etc etc.

He says all we are doing on this forum is a waste of time.

He is entitled to his opinion

I think he might change his attitude if he was violently raped.
Especially if it happened on a regular basis, perhaps him having his teeth pulled out so he can suck his abuser off with a warm bloody mouth.. he might start thinking "fucking hell this guy abusing me is actually evil and enjoys it the more I suffer"
Of coarse if he is a satanist and enjoys consuming innocent children he will defend his actions and try to justify it.
It's the hallmark or psychopaths justifying them abusing their power over others.

white light 21-08-2018 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the nine (Post 1063037360)
He is entitled to his opinion

I think he might change his attitude if he was violently raped.
Especially if it happened on a regular basis, perhaps him having his teeth pulled out so he can suck his abuser off with a warm bloody mouth.. he might start thinking "fucking hell this guy abusing me is actually evil and enjoys it the more I suffer"
Of coarse if he is a satanist and enjoys consuming innocent children he will defend his actions and try to justify it.
It's the hallmark or psychopaths justifying them abusing their power over others.

My opinion is nothing whatsoever akin to anything that Fudgetusk says it is.

He is abusive. What do I do with abusive people? I let other people know about it.

He has no real interest in the thread topic, it's merely an excuse to be abusive.

It's like talking about banking reform with a banker. Not worth the effort.

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elshaper 21-08-2018 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the nine (Post 1063037356)
If you record the perp abusing the child and go to the police with the hard evidence, you will be arrested for creating and watching child porn and you will be arrested and placed on the sex register..
Be very aware..

Perhaps poisoning the perps to death would be beneficial to society as opposed to supplying another victim to the state to abuse and lose in their system ?

I have a better version, poisoning someone to death is a crime so why don't you use manifestation technique the way you want the story to unfold. Let them trip themself like falling into a hole on their own.
It is their fault for walking the very spot. They can't even blame the Council because there was nothing wrong with the pavement at the time.*cough*


An example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_B1PkgA3kA

elshaper 21-08-2018 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fudgetusk (Post 1063037358)
But you would try to stop the abuse by reporting it. Or convincing the child to report it. You wouldn't let it keep happening. You would do everything in your power to stop the abuse.

You see the bloke I'm having this discussion with says there is no such thing as evil. No right or wrong. Hence we must surely not be concerned about child abuse, rape, murder, poisons such as Glyphosate in our food etc etc.

He says all we are doing on this forum is a waste of time.

fudge,
Wake up. If you report, in your Utopia, that's what SHOULD happen.
But the reality is what nine and I are telling you.

If it's my child, I would use other means to stop it. However, I am not Jesus and I won't be saving EVERY CHILD in the world....not my mission. Everybody has a place and if that's your mission, go and do it. There are too many evils out there to sort out!!

well the bloke you are speaking to is right. There is no evil in a bigger scale of things. Again, I reiterate, you are not meant to be Jebus.

elshaper 21-08-2018 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the nine (Post 1063037360)
He is entitled to his opinion

I think he might change his attitude if he was violently raped.
Especially if it happened on a regular basis, perhaps him having his teeth pulled out so he can suck his abuser off with a warm bloody mouth.. he might start thinking "fucking hell this guy abusing me is actually evil and enjoys it the more I suffer"
Of coarse if he is a satanist and enjoys consuming innocent children he will defend his actions and try to justify it.
It's the hallmark or psychopaths justifying them abusing their power over others.

The thing is though, justification is the way to avoid karma.
They know this. If you can reason away, there will be no recourse after death.

the nine 21-08-2018 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by white light (Post 1063037379)
My opinion is nothing whatsoever akin to anything that Fudgetusk says it is.

He is abusive. What do I do with abusive people? I let other people know about it.

He has no real interest in the thread topic, it's merely an excuse to be abusive.

It's like talking about banking reform with a banker. Not worth the effort.

.

I have no idea what has been said in that thread, I posted a reply to the post in this thread and the information within the post

JustMe418 21-08-2018 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fudgetusk (Post 1063037358)
But you would try to stop the abuse by reporting it. Or convincing the child to report it. You wouldn't let it keep happening. You would do everything in your power to stop the abuse.

You see the bloke I'm having this discussion with says there is no such thing as evil. No right or wrong. Hence we must surely not be concerned about child abuse, rape, murder, poisons such as Glyphosate in our food etc etc.

He says all we are doing on this forum is a waste of time.

Im sure that if you know child abuse is going on you have a duty to report it. To not report it makes you complicit because you are allowing it to continue while hoping somebody else will say something.

A person who denies the existance of evil is clearly somebody willing to do things that he/ she knows is wrong in the eyes of others but who wants to try and justify those acts to themselves. Maybe they just dont believe in evil when it happens to somebody else because Im quite sure if they were brutally raped and beaten they might start to think it does exist and needs dealing with.

Depends on what they means by saying you are time wasting. If they mean you are not dealing with things directly but hiding away and hoping positive vibes will do the work for you then they have a point.

JustMe418 21-08-2018 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elshaper (Post 1063037383)
The thing is though, justification is the way to avoid karma.
They know this. If you can reason away, there will be no recourse after death.

I disgaree with this as that means as long as you can bullshit your way out of things then you can do as you like. You think that twisting things mentally can save a person from a reaction to any great wrongs they have done? I dont.

JustMe418 21-08-2018 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the nine (Post 1063037356)
If you record the perp abusing the child and go to the police with the hard evidence, you will be arrested for creating and watching child porn and you will be arrested and placed on the sex register..
Be very aware..

Perhaps poisoning the perps to death would be beneficial to society as opposed to supplying another victim to the state to abuse and lose in their system ?

Dark Justice have a very effective method of catching such people.

JustMe418 21-08-2018 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elshaper (Post 1063037354)
Well it's obvious from the posts that none of you tried reporting before.

1) If you do report, do remember, you might get investigate instead. *facepalm* I know you'd say I've got nothing to hide but like they'd waste time investigating something else other than the real cause and you must ask a question why.

2) Chances are that the social services won't be interested in the first instance. They will refer you to the school. Then the parents will have a chance to say that it's an allegation etc.... case closed!

It's actually hard to report and get it investigated UNLESS they have a child in mind they want to takeaway.

oz is right that police won't want to know your case unless you provide them with evidence like cctv though I think it is their job. :rolleyes:

So all in all, every step of the way, it is protected or encouraged shall I say. *facepalm*

Load of shit. There is more evidence in child abuse than video footage. What about actual physical and psychological damage? that doesn just turn up and it cant be ignored.

Sounds to me like you would prefer to ignore the issue based on the theory that nothing will be done to help anyway. You either do the right thing and report it or accept that you are allowing it to continue. Just because you dont trust the system it doesnt mean you dont make the effort to do the right thing because of your prejudice.

the nine 21-08-2018 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustMe418 (Post 1063037387)
Im sure that if you know child abuse is going on you have a duty to report it. To not report it makes you complicit because you are allowing it to continue while hoping somebody else will say something.

A person who denies the existance of evil is clearly somebody willing to do things that he/ she knows is wrong in the eyes of others but who wants to try and justify those acts to themselves. Maybe they just dont believe in evil when it happens to somebody else because Im quite sure if they were brutally raped and beaten they might start to think it does exist and needs dealing with.

Depends on what they means by saying you are time wasting. If they mean you are not dealing with things directly but hiding away and hoping positive vibes will do the work for you then they have a point.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustMe418 (Post 1063037390)
Load of shit. There is more evidence in child abuse than video footage. What about actual physical and psychological damage? that doesn just turn up and it cant be ignored.

Sounds to me like you would prefer to ignore the issue based on the theory that nothing will be done to help anyway. You either do the right thing and report it or accept that you are allowing it to continue. Just because you dont trust the system it doesnt mean you dont make the effort to do the right thing because of your prejudice.

Quote:

We know that by reporting this case we have once again highlighted the vicious nature of the Irish and UK 'child care', police and 'justice' systems which have awarded themselves the power to steal children from loving, blameless parents.

As I write this Melanie Shaw, the immensely brave, Beechwood child abuse whistleblower from Nottingham, is still in prison and has now spent the best part of 12 months in solitary confinement. Aside from being incarcerated in clearly inhumane conditions for whistleblowing on her own abuse and that of many others, Melanie has also had her son taken by Nottingham Social Services.

These cases are the tip of an iceberg, and unless a great many good people stand up to be counted, no family or child within UK is safe from the predatory actions of the UK State, and the child abusers whose abuses it clearly facilitates and protects, to the highest political and establishment levels.

Thank you once again to the people who cared, donated and acted.

Brian Gerrish
https://www.ukcolumn.org/the-docherty-files

This family lost all their children for simply reporting a predator propositioning their 8 year old boy, the earl offered the family £25,000 to abuse their son when ever he felt like it..
they phoned the police who went around to speak to the Earl regarding the accusations..when they returned they said basically..no harm no loss, let it go..
Th father wanted him to be arrested and put on the register..thats when their problems started, and they eventually had to flee the country and lost everything including all their children..

So, if you know of a child being abused, be very careful how you act if you have children of your own..

Melanie shaw has spent years in prison, her crime..reporting her sexual abuse in the care system when she was a child..

see a pattern here?

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My letter was addressed to Justice Goddard in person because my correspondence related to the serious matter of the protection of Melanie Shaw, the whistleblower of abuse at Beechwood children's home Nottingham, from threats and harassment, as well as other child abuse survivors and whistleblowers from similar abuse. I provided a detailed text as to examples of those threats and harassment for Melanie, and pointed out that the threats and harassment were being carried out by the police and other public bodies who have a specific Duty of Care to protect vulnerable child abuse victims.
So who would you report the child abuse to, that we are all duty to bound to do?
Its clear there is a segment within the police and social services and secret courts who are there to protect the guilty at the expense of the victims and the 'whistle-blowers'

Quote:

Of particular interest to the UK Column is their focus on an interview between David Scott of 'Northern Exposure' and Brian Gerrish in which the Hollie Greig abuse case was discussed.
Documents made available to UK Column and posted on the internet show that the Scottish Government and Establishment are still utterly desperate to close down exposure of their part in the abuse and subsequent cover-up of the Hollie Greig case.

The latest scam is an attack by Google to block and take-down material from pro Hollie Greig bloggers and supporters. This action has now been backed by Police Scotland which appears to have been directly threatening bloggers.

Of particular interest to the UK Column is their focus on an interview between David Scott of 'Northern Exposure' and Brian Gerrish in which the Hollie Greig abuse case was discussed.

That interview is singled out in a Police Scotland document covering posts and Google Inc Legal Investigations Team.

Lord Chancellor Michael Gove, the man who did not want Westminster child abuse investigations to go ahead, has recently been calling for a reigning in of Freedom of Information powers in order to protect the Government from the penetrating eyes of the public. David Cameron Prime Minister had material removed from the Conservative website for the same reason. Now this action by the Scottish government and Police Scotland to censor the internet to cover-up child abuse investigations.

fairyprincess 21-08-2018 08:07 PM

Of course I would...... Afterwards!!!!!

fairyprincess 21-08-2018 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fudgetusk (Post 1063037358)
But you would try to stop the abuse by reporting it. Or convincing the child to report it. You wouldn't let it keep happening. You would do everything in your power to stop the abuse.

You see the bloke I'm having this discussion with says there is no such thing as evil. No right or wrong. Hence we must surely not be concerned about child abuse, rape, murder, poisons such as Glyphosate in our food etc etc.

He says all we are doing on this forum is a waste of time.

There is no "External" right or wrong..... No universal judgment on high.

But there is empathy. Or their should be.

By rights, a person should be able to do whatever makes them feel good. Feel happy. But individuals do not live their lives in isolation, the thing that makes one person happy might traumatise another.

Thats why we should at least have a few ground rules to live our lives by.

You shouldn't do anything that might harm another, you don't do something with another person that they don't consent too, and you don't harm the vulnerable.


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