9/11 was there a plane ?

[sickofallthebollocks]

5 minutes ago, Arnie said:

 

Your  sound rebuttal puts me firmly in my place. I cannot think why you quoted that whole post and failed to address the points it raised.

Yet another failed reply.
This is getting to be a habit eh Arnie?  Comedy time? Mr Nice?
 

[Arnie]

6 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

Show me a commercial jet that can fly at 20ft above the ground at 400mph. I mean, we'll forget that at such a speed and the materials it's made out of would just fall to pieces. But yeah, so possible. 

 

You have no qualifictaion to determine what would happen to the plane at low altitude speed, so let's DO forget that.

[Morpheus]

Just now, Arnie said:

 

You have no qualifictaion to determine what would happen to the plane at low altitude speed, so let's DO forget that.

Let me guess and you do?

[sickofallthebollocks]

25 minutes ago, Arnie said:

 

Your sound rebuttal puts me firmly in my place. I cannot think why you quoted that whole post and failed to address the points it raised.

 

What was the othere one(s) - I must have missed your response(s).

 

 

Arnie, When you've finally worked out how to get out of your star trek pyjamas, have a look at this video:
It shows the 'plane'  zooming towards the pentagon, look at the space from behind where the 'plane' appears. (2nd video)
It is empty.
Like your soul?  Friend list.

 

Edited September 12, 2022 by sickofallthebollocks

[Morpheus]

1 minute ago, Arnie said:

 

You have no qualifictaion to determine what would happen to the plane at low altitude speed, so let's DO forget that.

I said 20ft from the ground and doing 400 mph, that did neither. 

[Arnie]

6 minutes ago, sickofallthebollocks said:

Yet another failed reply.

 

My reply was the big one you quoted. Now, are you going to respond to it properly?

[Arnie]

1 minute ago, Morpheus said:

I said 20ft from the ground and doing 400 mph, that did neither. 

 

It is suicide to do it in a commercial plane. Oh wait! It's doing about 350. All you are saying is it isn't possible, when clearly it is. You just lower the nose in that flyby and point it at a building.

[Morpheus]

1 minute ago, Arnie said:

 

It is suicide to do it in a commercial plane. Oh wait! It's doing about 350. All you are saying is it isn't possible, when clearly it is. You just lower the nose in that flyby and point it at a building.

You showed a plane travelling half the speed, so clearly it's not. 

[Arnie]

3 minutes ago, sickofallthebollocks said:

It shows the 'plane'  zooming towards the pentagon, look at the space from behind where the 'plane' appears.
 

 

The camera frame rate was too low to capture it properly. I'm betting you didn't even watch that video I posted - it uses bit subtraction to show that though the camera focus is insufficient, the displacement on the video matches. A plane not being used at the pentagon:

Now we need:

• A team to dispose of the plane and the bodies!
• A team to burn and mangle the bodies to sprinkle DNA all over the area, or a team to fake the analyses.
• We still need a team to place tiny body parts everywhere.
• A team to drive around dropping bits of plane around the area.
• A team to do this at the Pentagon with cameras on helicopters and emergency services arriving any time soon.
• Paper trails to be destroyed accounting for the aircraft.
• ALL paper trails paying any personnel to be deleted and financial reimbursements hidden.

[Bombadil]

MOD NOTE: PLEASE CAN WE STAY ON TOPIC AND BE PLEASANT EVERYONE.

 

NO REPLY NEEDED.

[Arnie]

2 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

You showed a plane travelling half the speed, so clearly it's not. 

 

It is travelling at full allowable speed. Around 340-350kts. You can tell from the screaming banshee engines.

[Arnie]

11 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

Let me guess and you do?

 

Nope, you are the one making the claim though and I just showed you a video disproving your claim. It didn't fall apart and were it to do so, they wouldn't have cared much as it subsequently disintegrated at full speed into a brick wall.

[sickofallthebollocks]

2 minutes ago, Arnie said:

 

Nope, you are the one making the claim though and I just showed you a video disproving your claim. It didn't fall apart and were it to do so, they wouldn't have cared much as it subsequently disintegrated at full speed into a brick wall.

Nopey Nope.  Big no.
You have shown nothing?  Your claims are unsophisticated at best and your tone -purile.

[Arnie]

1 minute ago, sickofallthebollocks said:

  

 Really? You think a plane travelling at 500mph would be picked up in more than one frame - if that? This isn't even difficult to work out. What steps have taken that justify you spitting your tea out with laughter?

 

The Pentagon Area Surveillance Camera Videos - 9/11 TV (9-11tv.org)

In 2001, virtually all surveillance cameras rendered low spacial resolution images of at best 480i, and more often less.  480i is what is now called SD – Standard Definition.

In 2001, most surveillance cameras recorded video at low frame rates (low temporal resolution), often in the range of 1 to 8 frames per second.  By comparison, US TV is most often recorded at 30 frames/second.

The high speed of the plane, which was accelerating to over 550 mph, resulted in image blurring in the video recording, and offered a low chance of catching more than a single frame of the plane, given the low-recorded frame rate (low temporal resolution) of 1 frame/second).

 

And yet again you ignore the very large elephant, that list. It isn't even a full list. And what is your useful rebuttal on the video.

[Arnie]

1 minute ago, sickofallthebollocks said:

Nopey Nope.  Big no.
You have shown nothing?  Your claims are unsophisticated at best and your tone -purile.

 

The video shows a 757 flying by at top speed with engines balls out. Your tone is needlessly confrontational and you are not addressing anything posted.

[Morpheus]

2 minutes ago, Arnie said:

 

The video shows a 757 flying by at top speed with engines balls out. Your tone is needlessly confrontational and you are not addressing anything posted.

No it doesn't, that is not flying at 500 mph no matter what you say, that is take off/landing speed. If you think that's travelling at the same speed as that rocket then good for you, but it isn't. 

[legion]

IMO 

 

No plane at all at the Pentagon. 

Clearly a missile from the lack of photos showing plane debris at the Pentagon. 

 

Fuck knows what happened in Shanksville. (spelling?) 

 

2 real planes (not civilian) at the Twin Towers that DID NOT CAUSE THE COLLAPSES. 

Pre-set / pre-placed thermite charges brought down the Towers. 

 

As EnigmaticWorld said recently in another thread... This planes / no planes is an intended distraction from the actual real story of 911.

 

Who did it - and why - not - exactly how was it done...?

 

[Arnie]

5 hours ago, Morpheus said:

No it doesn't, that is not flying at 500 mph no matter what you say, that is take off/landing speed. If you think that's travelling at the same speed as that rocket then good for you, but it isn't. 

 

I already said it waas flying at around 350 knots. What rocket are you referring to? If you think that the engines screaming at full throttle like that are what they do at take-off, you need to learn some things about plane engines. The plane is at full safety speed. You asked for it, I give you something close to what you ask for and you then deny it is doing the speed all those spectattors came to see.

[Morpheus]

14 minutes ago, Arnie said:

 

I already said it waas flying at around 350 knots. What rocket are you referring to? If you think that the engines screaming at full throttle like that are what they do at take-off, you need to learn some things about plane engines. The plane is at full safety speed. You asked for it, I give you something close to what you ask for and you then deny it is doing the speed all those spectattors came to see.

Deflection. 

 

The 9/11 video and you know exactly what video I'm referring to. So, if you're inferring that the plane in your video is travelling at the same speed as the rocket that hit the pentagon, then good for you. But my eyes show me different. Now, troll off because you proved nothing. 

Edited September 12, 2022 by Morpheus

[Morpheus]

Busted, a pilot in the comments even said that plane was not flying at 340 KIAS. Try again. See, funny what the eye can see isn't it. Don't ever tell me what I can see with my own eyes versus you're perpetual lies JumpRogue. In the great words of Bullet Tooth Tony, "Now, *$π¥ off!"

[sickofallthebollocks]

54 minutes ago, Arnie said:

 

I already said it waas flying at around 350 knots. What rocket are you referring to? If you think that the engines screaming at full throttle like that are what they do at take-off, you need to learn some things about plane engines. The plane is at full safety speed. You asked for it, I give you something close to what you ask for and you then deny it is doing the speed all those spectattors came to see.

 

30 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

Busted, a pilot in the comments even said that plane was not flying at 340 KIAS. Try again. See, funny what the eye can see isn't it. Don't ever tell me what I can see with my own eyes versus you're perpetual lies JumpRogue. In the great words of Bullet Tooth Tony, "Now, *$π¥ off!"

@Arnie  ( Jumprogue AND comedytime )

Edited September 12, 2022 by sickofallthebollocks

[Arnie]

43 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

The 9/11 video and you know exactly what video I'm referring to.

 Nope. I am aware that 3 planes struck their targets, no rockets were involved. See large list that you ignored that makes not actually using planes a rather silly idea.

 

43 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

So, if you're inferring that the plane in your video is travelling at the same speed as the rocket that hit the pentagon, then good for you.

 

The plane in my video wouldn't be able to match the same speed as the plane that hit the Pentagon. It wasn't in a very steep dive and the pilot kept the engines withing safety guidelines. There was easily another 100 knots available but that would wreck the engines. I make no inference regarding your belief in any rockets.

 

43 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

Now, troll off because you proved nothing. 

 

No. I am not trolling and I proved exactly what I claimed, whether you are prepared to accept new evidence or not.

[Arnie]

38 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

Busted, a pilot in the comments even said that plane was not flying at 340 KIAS. Try again. See, funny what the eye can see isn't it. Don't ever tell me what I can see with my own eyes versus you're perpetual lies JumpRogue. In the great words of Bullet Tooth Tony, "Now, *$π¥ off!"

 

Jumprogue, who's that? I assume you must have skim read what the pilot actually said because this is a direct quote.

 

Hello. As a pilot I can assure you that smart pilots do not risk their lives, or the lives of others in their group. The jet in this video is a 757-200 that has a VNE of 340 KIAS.  This airplane is not going any faster than 340 KIAS.

 

KIAS for "Knots-Indicated Air Speed"  So thank you for actually busting yourself. I said 340-350 knots and the damn pilot simply says he isn't going any faster than KIAS!340 knots is 391 mph.

 

Whoops!

14 minutes ago, sickofallthebollocks said:

 

@Arnie  ( Jumprogue AND comedytime )
 

 

Too hasty son, you backed the wrong horse.

 

[Morpheus]

14 minutes ago, Arnie said:

The plane in my video wouldn't be able to match the same speed as the plane that hit the Pentagon. It wasn't in a very steep dive and the pilot kept the engines withing safety guidelines. There was easily another 100 knots available but that would wreck the engines. I make no inference regarding your belief in any rockets

So you admit that no commercial plane is flying at that speed 20ft off the ground and furthermore would not make a hole in a building made of concrete and steel like that?

 

If not, then I can't help you, your video proved nothing. What happened that day defies the law of physics and tes you are a troll. You were caught out with your suggested speed and compare the difference to the video the guy posted, now that's a speed were kind of talking about, buy guess what, no commercial jet is doing that 20ft off the floor by a human. 

 

Also, the majority of pilots in the world would struggle to hit any of those buildings and you can take that from John Leah, the grandson of Leah Jets who has more airmiles than you or I combined or will ever have in multiple lifetimes. 

Edited September 12, 2022 by Morpheus

[Morpheus]

5 minutes ago, Arnie said:

 

Jumprogue, who's that? I assume you must have skim read what the pilot actually said because this is a direct quote.

 

Hello. As a pilot I can assure you that smart pilots do not risk their lives, or the lives of others in their group. The jet in this video is a 757-200 that has a VNE of 340 KIAS.  This airplane is not going any faster than 340 KIAS.

 

KIAS for "Knots-Indicated Air Speed"  So thank you for actually busting yourself. I said 340-350 knots and the damn pilot simply says he isn't going any faster than KIAS!340 knots is 391 mph.

 

Whoops!

 

Too hasty son, you backed the wrong horse.

 

I'm not wrong and you know it. Arnie, hmmm, I'll be back, maybe? Would be your style. You think we're stupid, it's obvious every single time.