Bombadil Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 14 minutes ago, TheConsultant said: Have you read her book in its entirety and come to that conclusion? watched interviews? lectures and presentations? Or are you basing your opinion on your opinion rather than raw data combed through by a forensic material sciences expert. Of course this doesn't mean it is true does it but the evidence laid out within is eye opening at the very very least. You won’t get an answer. They’re gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, sock muppet said: New MrTruthBomb film, i have not watched this yet so don't ask. PREDICTIVE PROGRAMMING - THE SERIES - EPISODE ONE - FALSE FLAG 9/11 - A MrTruthBomb Film https://rumble.com/v1n1rmk-predictive-programming-the-series-episode-one-911-false-flag.html thats a looooooong collection of tv and film references to wtc and 9/11. would you put 1993 wtc bombing as part of predictive programmming? Edited October 9, 2022 by zArk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 18 hours ago, sock muppet said: New MrTruthBomb film, i have not watched this yet so don't ask. PREDICTIVE PROGRAMMING - THE SERIES - EPISODE ONE - FALSE FLAG 9/11 - A MrTruthBomb Film https://rumble.com/v1n1rmk-predictive-programming-the-series-episode-one-911-false-flag.html Thanks sock muppet, I've saved this to watch later when I have more time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sock muppet Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 9 hours ago, zArk said: thats a looooooong collection of tv and film references to wtc and 9/11. would you put 1993 wtc bombing as part of predictive programmming? The message i get from the looooooooooong list of references is both that it is unsurprising but also the symbolic/metaphoric nature of those buildings being attacked as though that was the real intended purpose of their existence, forgot about Depeche Mode video on the roof of the towers which surprised me and i was shocked to find references with SuperTramp's breakfast in America. side note: Does anyone know the last scene that was played with the old guy on the piano and the young bloke holding Cobain's guitar what movie it was from? 9 hours ago, zArk said: would you put 1993 wtc bombing as part of predictive programmming? As i said above for me it's not that hard to see the predictive programming side of things or the power of suggestion, what is hard to see is the how of the whole sorry situation, from drawing board to completion and also knowing the symbolic attacks placed in all types of media to their final demise, i myself can see how this is possible, others will say that it is impossible to construct such a thing through time, too many variables in play, and i will leave this note here and maybe start another thread to discuss if one does not already exist. The 1993 bombing of the basement, may have been an attempt to change the course of history rather than a terrorist attack, i'm just speculating as it does not seem to fit, might just be one of the variables that come into play with anything planned long term, how all it came about is probably a bigger mystery than the towers themselves in terms of both their history/meaning and our reality being skewed, mind blowing stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 14 hours ago, sock muppet said: The message i get from the looooooooooong list of references is both that it is unsurprising but also the symbolic/metaphoric nature of those buildings being attacked as though that was the real intended purpose of their existence, forgot about Depeche Mode video on the roof of the towers which surprised me and i was shocked to find references with SuperTramp's breakfast in America. side note: Does anyone know the last scene that was played with the old guy on the piano and the young bloke holding Cobain's guitar what movie it was from? As i said above for me it's not that hard to see the predictive programming side of things or the power of suggestion, what is hard to see is the how of the whole sorry situation, from drawing board to completion and also knowing the symbolic attacks placed in all types of media to their final demise, i myself can see how this is possible, others will say that it is impossible to construct such a thing through time, too many variables in play, and i will leave this note here and maybe start another thread to discuss if one does not already exist. The 1993 bombing of the basement, may have been an attempt to change the course of history rather than a terrorist attack, i'm just speculating as it does not seem to fit, might just be one of the variables that come into play with anything planned long term, how all it came about is probably a bigger mystery than the towers themselves in terms of both their history/meaning and our reality being skewed, mind blowing stuff. It is possible that the iconic towers (western finance trading) were used as a narrative tool to symbolise a stalwart western civilisation and its impending destruction being the end of the west. plus the 2 towers can be linked to the twin pillars in masonry (probably in design origins as architects are Tektons ) . Maybe i will rewatch one or two films to read the esoteric regarding the Twin Pillars. Pop star video creators will play on the Egos of bands placing chosen ones upon the pillars / the towers of finance Other architectural structures get attention in films and media like Pisa, whitehouse, buck palace, stonehenge, pyramids, taj mahal, shard but none really have the economic and cultural basis that the WTC had. Intertexuality is applicable to 9/11 , no doubt, and intertexuality is applicable to the shitshow of the last few years. Furthe,r i am very much into Baudrillards explanation of Hyperreality and Simulacra .... hence my approach to 9/11 and how i easily saw the fakery when it was pointed out to me and i looked into the 'gaps' in the story. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 15 hours ago, sock muppet said: Does anyone know the last scene that was played with the old guy on the piano and the young bloke holding Cobain's guitar what movie it was from? looks like andrew garfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sock muppet Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 8 hours ago, zArk said: It is possible that the iconic towers (western finance trading) were used as a narrative tool to symbolise a stalwart western civilisation and its impending destruction being the end of the west 8 hours ago, zArk said: plus the 2 towers can be linked to the twin pillars in masonry (probably in design origins as architects are Tektons ) . Maybe i will rewatch one or two films to read the esoteric regarding the Twin Pillars I share this interpretation also, and the film ghost busters hides a massive, in your face clue about the occult meanings associated with buildings, for example we do not have to look too far in this respect, a church, although generally you would not say the meaning of a church building is hidden in anyway. 8 hours ago, zArk said: looks like andrew garfield I think you're right just need to track down what movie it's from so i can fully appreciate its inclusion in this documentary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, zArk said: It is possible that the iconic towers (western finance trading) were used as a narrative tool to symbolise a stalwart western civilisation and its impending destruction being the end of the west. plus the 2 towers can be linked to the twin pillars in masonry (probably in design origins as architects are Tektons ) . Maybe i will rewatch one or two films to read the esoteric regarding the Twin Pillars. Pop star video creators will play on the Egos of bands placing chosen ones upon the pillars / the towers of finance Other architectural structures get attention in films and media like Pisa, whitehouse, buck palace, stonehenge, pyramids, taj mahal, shard but none really have the economic and cultural basis that the WTC had. Intertexuality is applicable to 9/11 , no doubt, and intertexuality is applicable to the shitshow of the last few years. Furthe,r i am very much into Baudrillards explanation of Hyperreality and Simulacra .... hence my approach to 9/11 and how i easily saw the fakery when it was pointed out to me and i looked into the 'gaps' in the story. This can well be I saw an interview where a fire chief said that never before a high riser collapsed because of fire.....it was the first time in history - so they were not in a hurry...they just wanted to bring the people out oft the building .... yet there were warnings from someone that the buildings structure weakens and the tower is to come down. One firefighter warned his colleagues at the scene - and 2 seconds afterwards the first tower came down. Edited October 10, 2022 by Moonlight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lake Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Was on my interweb travels and saw a video on bitchute called FOOTAGE OF WTC ATTACK SHOWING NO PLANE HITTING IT https://www.bitchute.com/video/pqIyhzMLVlYR/ So went to find another copy of the video to compare. Found this video with 43 angles of the 2nd plane hitting and it was number 9 .... the Scott Myers one (starts at approx 2:13 mins). This is the supposedly original Scott Myers: The No Plane bitchute one seems to be at a different angle to me and (after download) it is twice the frame rate. Anyway I used this one below to compare with the bitchute No Plane one: I took some images at the same point in time (or as close as I can do not being a video or image specialist) .... My question: One of these has been modified and the other not .... so which one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, lake said: Was on my interweb travels and saw a video on bitchute called FOOTAGE OF WTC ATTACK SHOWING NO PLANE HITTING IT https://www.bitchute.com/video/pqIyhzMLVlYR/ So went to find another copy of the video to compare. Found this video with 43 angles of the 2nd plane hitting and it was number 9 .... the Scott Myers one (starts at approx 2:13 mins). This is the supposedly original Scott Myers: The No Plane bitchute one seems to be at a different angle to me and (after download) it is twice the frame rate. Anyway I used this one below to compare with the bitchute No Plane one: I took some images at the same point in time (or as close as I can do not being a video or image specialist) .... My question: One of these has been modified and the other not .... so which one? There appears to be an anomaly in the second picture up from the bottom. It might be just my eyes, but it looks pixelated. I could be very wrong, I'm just saying what I see. Edited October 12, 2022 by Morpheus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lake Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Just to try and be fair, I uploaded the 'No Plane' video from bitchute and added it to the above post of mine. 8 minutes ago, Morpheus said: There appears to be an anomaly in the second picture up from the bottom. It might be just my eyes, but it looks pixelated. I could be very wrong, I'm just saying what I see. That is the thing .... I have no actual skill in that regard and thus do not know which has been modified?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, lake said: Just to try and be fair, I uploaded the 'No Plane' video from bitchute and added it to the above post of mine. That is the thing .... I have no actual skill in that regard and thus do not know which has been modified?? Me neither, but that plane equally looks too clean for early 00's camera's on a freeze frame. Again, I'm no expert and could be way off. Just saying what I see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinfoil Hat Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) On 10/7/2022 at 10:03 AM, Morpheus said: Shut up. I think I love you, @Morpheus. Edited October 12, 2022 by Tinfoil Hat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 4 hours ago, lake said: Just to try and be fair, I uploaded the 'No Plane' video from bitchute and added it to the above post of mine. That is the thing .... I have no actual skill in that regard and thus do not know which has been modified?? Just to add as well, the plane continues at the same speed throughout, it doesn't slow down when it enters the building at all. Just an observation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lake Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Morpheus said: Just to add as well, the plane continues at the same speed throughout, it doesn't slow down when it enters the building at all. Just an observation. I don't know! I consider that there were planes and that stating that no planes hit anything is used to condemn anyone who disagrees with the main stream narrative. To me it is used to 'paint' alternative researchers as 'nutters'! But I was not there and so cannot state for a fact either way. Even today I read this: https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_911_53.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sock muppet Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Quite conclusive i would say about how much damage a jet would be able to inflict upon a building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lake Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 17 minutes ago, sock muppet said: Quite conclusive i would say about how much damage a jet would be able to inflict upon a building. Only if that building is a nuclear bunker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sock muppet Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 21 minutes ago, lake said: Only if that building is a nuclear bunker! I agree, the target concrete is of the material used in construction of nuclear power plants, but reading back in thread it has been suggested that with the right kinetic energy a paper tissue could cause just as much damage moving at high velocity, but the velocity required for it to do that kind of damage would have to be near the speed of light, so we could theorise with the above demonstration, and bear in mind that jet was filled with water for extra kinetic damage on impact, that as the speed is reduced so too could we reduce the strength of the material to that of the type used in the towers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lake Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 18 hours ago, Morpheus said: Just to add as well, the plane continues at the same speed throughout, it doesn't slow down when it enters the building at all. Just an observation. 1 hour ago, sock muppet said: Quite conclusive i would say about how much damage a jet would be able to inflict upon a building. Got to say that this F4 jet really doesn't look to slow down either (but I bet it did). For me currently (as I am open to new thoughts) I still wish to know which image of the second impact/explosion is fake .... or are both fake? <<<< from this post of mine: 23 hours ago, lake said: Was on my interweb travels and saw a video on bitchute called FOOTAGE OF WTC ATTACK SHOWING NO PLANE HITTING IT https://www.bitchute.com/video/pqIyhzMLVlYR/ So went to find another copy of the video to compare. Found this video with 43 angles of the 2nd plane hitting and it was number 9 .... the Scott Myers one (starts at approx 2:13 mins). This is the supposedly original Scott Myers: The No Plane bitchute one seems to be at a different angle to me and (after download) it is twice the frame rate. Anyway I used this one below to compare with the bitchute No Plane one: I took some images at the same point in time (or as close as I can do not being a video or image specialist) .... My question: One of these has been modified and the other not .... so which one? Either both are fake .... or one side of the 'Plane' / 'No Plane' discussion is actively producing fake videos to corrupt peoples thoughts! Which one? As it seems to me to be the root issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sock muppet Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, lake said: Got to say that this F4 jet really doesn't look to slow down either (but I bet it did). For me currently (as I am open to new thoughts) I still wish to know which image of the second impact/explosion is fake .... or are both fake? <<<< from this post of mine: Either both are fake .... or one side of the 'Plane' / 'No Plane' discussion is actively producing fake videos to corrupt peoples thoughts! Which one? As it seems to me to be the root issue? But you're coming at it with the wrong perspective in thinking that all photographic, video and even eye witness testimony is 100% reliable and accurate, it's the variations of these things for me suggests a much bigger reality is going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sock muppet Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 29 minutes ago, lake said: Got to say that this F4 jet really doesn't look to slow down either (but I bet it did). For me currently (as I am open to new thoughts) I still wish to know which image of the second impact/explosion is fake .... or are both fake? <<<< from this post of mine: Either both are fake .... or one side of the 'Plane' / 'No Plane' discussion is actively producing fake videos to corrupt peoples thoughts! Which one? As it seems to me to be the root issue? I am trying to find the early version of audience participation experiment with the video game pong(way back in time), where the audience is given green or red paddles and then work out what is going on, the ones i have found so far are not the original and therefore tainted, i want to show the original because it is stated as a demonstration of a self learning system, but is total bolloxs, will post it once i find it as i feel it goes a long way to explain the opposite of what is actually happening and how it relates to 9/11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 we know the construction details of the WTC , weve all seen photos of it being built it is not the same as a reinforced concrete block regarding eye witnesses , they were all primed and coached. all of them. none got on radio or tv without being screened. FEMA was ready to go on September 10th. Everything was in place to turn New York into a theatre of operations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lake Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 35 minutes ago, sock muppet said: But you're coming at it with the wrong perspective in thinking that all photographic, video and even eye witness testimony is 100% reliable and accurate, it's the variations of these things for me suggests a much bigger reality is going on. I never said that so please don't think that I do consider that! 36 minutes ago, sock muppet said: a much bigger reality is going on. You don't save a drowning man by telling him "Don't worry the water is only an illusion!" I have many times been talking with groups of 'normal' people and one will always end up with "Bet you think the Earth is flat as well" .... (which gets the rest having a laugh and all I said before is forgotten). I have believed in terrain theory for 20 + years but if I tell people that viruses don't make people sick .... again I get the FE come back and all I said about health before is gone from their thoughts! Thus .... If you tell people that 'No Planes' were used on 9/11 then you will not move them to any consideration of more concepts than the main stream has given them about 9/11 .... and you don't wake anyone up, whilst you are also helping the parasites doing all the shit in this realm by making people think of alternative researchers as 'nutters'! So .... one image is manipulated and the other correct .... or both are fake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) heres one of the guys, doing his job in a war zone the Mr Joshua of 9/11, throwing gang signs ala Trump n,b at 2min 33 .. covid guy.. moves in to talk then says "just standing by right now. cant say" brilliant! Edited October 13, 2022 by zArk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lake Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, zArk said: heres one of the guys, doing his job in a war zone We all know that the mainstream media is mainly bullshit (so much of it over the last 3 years) but this thread is about Planes or No Planes. Once again I ask .... Which image is fake or are both fake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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