9/11 was there a plane ?

[Anti Facts Sir]

2 hours ago, sickofallthebollocks said:

 

It's convenient how the moving camera happens to point right up into the blue sky, just as the plane appears....so there is nothing to interfere with the action that follows.

[novymir]

Looking for an explanation (of 9-11) within the dream(this "world" at "this" "level"), and assuming that certain physical laws must be adhered to, will result is being distracted and deceived, and thereby continue to be controlled. You will not find the answer at this level of the illusion/dream, because this is a level of effect, not cause.

This is like "The Matrix", at this level, which is only a projection/perception, that's ALL it is, it's like they talk about different "dimensions", and those dimensions being able to interact and influence this one, they are just an "area" that is beyond human's generally accepted perception, but still within the dream operating within the mind of the dreamer.

 

Dreams don't necessarily follow the supposed "laws" that are assumed in this world, in "The Matrix" the humans were unaware their consciousness and perceptions were being controlled outside of their perceived life and world by a machine-like artificial intelligence that used them parasitically and imposed extreme limits on awareness, an artificial mind construct based on certain principles that they were "plugged" in to, like an external attachment interfacing with their mind and dominating it.

Like we're walking around with this externally attached processor feeding false ideas into our heads and thereby producing a perceptual experience/world that is in accordance to those ideas/concepts, like a virtual-reality device, except it's not physical, nor within this physical "plane", it's within the dream, the mind is conjuring up a "world"/dream in accordance to the instructions given it.

 

We perceive that we are separate and distinct, but that is only within the dream, we are one consciousness that has virtually detached from the Greater consciousness(ONENESS), and fragmented/splintered itself into these perceived "people" and things, it's all just a movie within the mind, looking within, projecting through a filter that is contrary to Truth, a filter that most if not all humans are seeing through.

But we're not "here", and this isn't what we are. These things do not occur in Reality. And Reality does not change.

 

The Spiritual solution is the only real solution, everything else is just trivial pursuit, and playing the game of this world, which is a dead-end, nowheresville, and contrary to True Nature.

 

9-11 never really happened, it's a sick fantasy, and a projection by the ego. Ego is anti-Christ and collectively "satan" and ego-Matrix---Dream of Deceit. It is bound to that, it is the predatory/parasitic artificial intelligence that is the ruler of hell. Identification with it gives it power.

 

 

[Morpheus]

1 hour ago, Anti Facts Sir said:

It's convenient how the moving camera happens to point right up into the blue sky, just as the plane appears....so there is nothing to interfere with the action that follows.

Nothing was seen in the distance as they panned round either. It just seemed to appear from nowhere. I'd also like to think you'd have heard the plane coming way before the it came into sight on the camera. 

Edited October 4, 2022 by Morpheus

[lake]

10 hours ago, zArk said:

Simon Shacks

 

Such a wealth of knowledge /s

 

Anthony Lawson ..... September Clues - Busted! November 2007 (bit shit quality but it is from 2007)

 

 

[lake]

23 minutes ago, lake said:

Anthony Lawson ..... September Clues - Busted! November 2007 (bit shit quality but it is from 2007)

 

At the end of the above video Lawson talks about "Impossible Speed" .... this is that very short video which he made back then ....

 

 

[zArk]

1 hour ago, lake said:

 

Such a wealth of knowledge /s

 

Anthony Lawson ..... September Clues - Busted! November 2007 (bit shit quality but it is from 2007)

 

 

that was based on first version of september clues

the 2nd version corrected all the errors

 

n.b the voice is so stanley parable

 

and in response to the orange man stanley video.... taking into consideration the entire collection of comparable videos, all 9/11 information, radio, witnesses, 

 

yes, it was tv fakery and it duped the world 

 

 

Edited October 4, 2022 by zArk

[peter]

I'm heading north for a week or so ,no tv no internet and no phones, just peace an quiet

have fun

[zArk]

12 hours ago, lake said:

At the end of the above video Lawson talks about "Impossible Speed" .... this is that very short video which he made back then ....

 

 studying the tv fakery for truth and studying the faux flight data is in my opinion ridiculous.

 

in order to accept the flight data and a tv image it is required that the majority of plane images are discarded (as they contradict each other) and it must be stated which video /s are the true unaltered images of 9/11 that day

 

of course accepting a multitude of images are fake does not put the claimant in the tv fakery position

 

so with the claimed true videos and corresponding data stated by the 'plane crash supporter' i am willing to discuss further

 

or

 

if there is a member who accepts the tv fakery is correct BUT believes there were plane crashes can you please post your reasons with supporting evidence

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Clarissa]

Are you sure about bringing my work about the no planes theory on here Mr  ?

 

It'll be exactly like this  Robo gran and me mate Renee TMPV who's sat here with me going WTF!

 

 

[Youknownothingbutyou]

On 10/4/2022 at 3:13 AM, zArk said:

this is not real.

 

 

 

video with interviews and reporter statements

Simon Shacks WTC 7 analysis

10mins long

https://fakeotube.com/v/45

 

they doctored and touched up the WTC7 demolition video because they filmed it in the morning actually happening, then fitted the building into a late afternoon Manhattan. Removing the dust and smoke of the recently WTC 1 ,2  and other demolitions and added the sunlight angles removing the morning sun angles.

 

the smoke on the east side was put in to hide the sunlight which was shining on the east side that morning.

the west side had simple lighting added

 

 

So, they used a obvious controlled demolition  video to hide the real controlled demolition of wtc7!
yeehaw

[zArk]

3 minutes ago, Youknownothingbutyou said:

So, they used a obvious controlled demolition  video to hide the real controlled demolition of wtc7!
yeehaw

no they used a tv fakery controlled demolition video as a failsafe if the hijack jets story began to fall apart

 

alex jones ran the hijacked jets story.. and the web surrounding it for a good few years but then switched to focussing upon WTC7 after the commission report

 

co-incidentally , this is when all groups began gobbing off about WTC 7.

 

infowars was devoid of WTC7 upto the commission report 2004. all alex jones documentaries focussed upon globalist support of terrorists on US soil, authorities turning a blind eye to warnings of hijackings, the hijacked jets terror drill etc etc

 

then came 2005 9/11 martial law : rise of police state

 

Suddenly all over the internet it was WTC 7 talk, the silverstein quote etc etc

 

and dont forget the Loose change lads were no-planers but then seduced by Alex Jones and a $1 million video deal.

 

suddenly no plane was being denied by the loose change lads

 

WTC 7 is a red herring. Isolated in the afternoon of 9/11.

 

No-one believes that the building was rigged on the day. Everyone realises it was laced with bombs many many years before.

Then the logical step is that all the buildings were fitted out with bombs in the years previous

 

So i asked myself, "why the fuck would they 'control demolition' WTC 7 with the eyes of the world on the site in the afternoon , isolated"??

 

Quote

 

i thought.. ahhh a fuck up, the bombs didnt detonate and they had to fix it .. maybe . but then

 

surely pretending the building needed demolishing in the days afterwards would be a more convincing story to cover the issue

very easy to sort out and no-one would have thunk anything oddd. they shut down wall street and air traffic so it would of been no big deal

 

 

but no, they might as well have put a big finger in the sky pointing at it. Why?

 

why ?

 

because it was a fake, like everything that day and they were fighting to keep the fake story alive.

 

If TV Fakery had gained proper grounding they woudl have been sunk. However as everyone gobbled up the red herring becuase it was easy, the tv fakery just simmered.

 

 

 

 

 

[Bombadil]

1 hour ago, Clarissa said:

Are you sure about bringing my work about the no planes theory on here Mr  ?

 

It'll be exactly like this  Robo gran and me mate Renee TMPV who's sat here with me going WTF!

 

 

Is this your own work? Its great

[zArk]

How did a 737 engine end up on the new york street. Confirmed as a CFM56

 

It wasnt just dropped off was it?

Blown out of WTC 2 by explosives?

 

or do the plane believers reckon the plane was a 737 actually and the 767 story was fake which then makes all the videos fake because the plane shown in the video was a 767

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 5, 2022 by zArk

[SimonTV]

no planes on 9/11 for sure, I have no doubt. these are the reasons why. 

 

1) it is not possible for an airplane to fly at that altitude at that speed without breaking up

2) the impact of the plane in to the buildings as visible on the videos, is not valid physics and a video manipulation is proven without any doubt 

3) the impact hole is consistent with a missile impact on the video and photo evidence

4) the audio recorded from a meeting are consistent with a missile impact. 

5) the mainstream media had several missiles/plane edits in its audio 

6) videos of the plane approaching looks like a missile was in the original footage based on the panning. 

7) evidence from skygate documentary on transponder hacking and flight path irregularities. 

8) problematic passengers lists including raytheon employees and other irregularities. 

[legion]

8 minutes ago, SimonTV said:

no planes on 9/11 for sure,

Pentagon AND the twin towers ?

[lake]

On 10/5/2022 at 7:53 PM, zArk said:

Confirmed as a CFM56

 

Please expand on this with the links to prove .... thank you.

[SimonTV]

6 minutes ago, legion said:

Pentagon AND the twin towers ?

 

 

Pentagon was a missile and shaped charges, possibly from a helicopter or a land to land not sure to be honest but definitely a missile hitting pentagon. The punch out hole photo evidence on its own proves this. After the initial impact they did shaped charges to increase the damage. 

 

The twin tower was tomahawk missiles likely from american US naval vessel that had been manipulated in to firing. They hit the secure data centers of securities brokers and law firms responsible for investigating financial fraud. Then rolled on or sprayed on nano thermate gel which was sprayed on to the steel reinforced concrete floors in the months prior and the state of the art computer controlled remote top down detonation. 

 

Building 7 was taken down with existing controlled demolition as it was likely wired up for self detonation as part of its security measures. 

 

Shankesville was likely a bomb blowing up a trailer or they used a light jet to blow up with a missile. 

Edited October 6, 2022 by SimonTV

[SimonTV]

9/11 is like die hard. 

 

1) terrorist take the high rise

2) the airport wow

3) they steal the gold while doing a diversion

4) the fire sale, they take over the government by tricking it and manipulating the systems. 

5) russia russia russia 

Edited October 6, 2022 by SimonTV

[legion]

5 minutes ago, SimonTV said:

The twin tower was tomahawk missiles

photos - videos - witnesses ?
 

[SimonTV]

4 minutes ago, legion said:

photos - videos - witnesses ?
 

 

 

Edited October 6, 2022 by SimonTV

[SimonTV]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Znvd9gtmlpiK/

 

Boeing Shaker System original designer speaks out about ridiculous physics. 

[sock muppet]

38 minutes ago, SimonTV said:

no planes on 9/11 for sure, I have no doubt. these are the reasons why. 

 

1) it is not possible for an airplane to fly at that altitude at that speed without breaking up

2) the impact of the plane in to the buildings as visible on the videos, is not valid physics and a video manipulation is proven without any doubt 

3) the impact hole is consistent with a missile impact on the video and photo evidence

4) the audio recorded from a meeting are consistent with a missile impact. 

5) the mainstream media had several missiles/plane edits in its audio 

6) videos of the plane approaching looks like a missile was in the original footage based on the panning. 

7) evidence from skygate documentary on transponder hacking and flight path irregularities. 

8) problematic passengers lists including raytheon employees and other irregularities. 

 

I'm pretty much with you on your assertions but would like to add:

 

1. the speed issue does not really bother me as the so called planes could be something else

2. agree

3. agree

4. there is also a telephone conversation that was recorded somehow with someone that was on the floor as the object approached, the lady(not sure from memory) expresses the words consistent with seeing something but does not recognise a conventional plane that is on collision course, where the conversation then cuts due to impact

5. MSM definitely played a role in this mystery and were complicit

6. agree

7. have not watched skygate, thanks for tip, more rabbit holes to go down

8. agree, MSM involvement with this

 

So i theorise the objects that hit the buildings were drones/missiles with a basic outline of a conventional aircraft, the rest of the craft was created by holographic technology and would only be recognised from a below view point, any other video's involved at high level vantage points have been doctored as the basic shape of the craft would only need touching up to look like a commercial jet and therefore those video's would have been taken by people in the know/complicit.

This speculation i have formed does go someway to explain the anomalies that exist between witness statements of what they saw and between the photographic/video evidence, now before anyone blows a fuse over what i have just written it is just SPECULATION on my behalf, but willing to be corrected.

Edited October 6, 2022 by sock muppet
does NOT added

[legion]

6 minutes ago, SimonTV said:

 

 

where does anyone mention missiles into the towers ?
 

[sock muppet]

On 10/3/2022 at 7:30 PM, lake said:

 

May I ask if you are in the "Empty Building, No Floors" camp? .... and believe this image proves it?

 

 

This is a rather nice picture, has a kind of blade runner quality to it, but what does it represent?

[SimonTV]

6 minutes ago, legion said:

where does anyone mention missiles into the towers ?
 

 

The reporter clearly states that some people thought they saw a missile. 

 

Then in the other clip they modified the audio in the live stream and replaced missile with plane but by mistake left in the start of the word missile.