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27 minutes ago, Youknownothingbutyou said:

All three collapsed towers on 911 were controlled demolition….

 

im just surprised coming from you as i often agree with your views…

the entire complex was demolished

 

they demolished the lot in one go, at the same time.

 

then created fake video of the WTC7 collapse and story line PRETENDING it was still standing later in the day

 

the entire days events are a pantomime, a scripted disaster. The best was Mayor Rudy Giuliani playing the hero Bruce Willis stylie

 

 

 

Silverstein gets his new plaza, some insurance, wall street gets shut down and silverstein doesnt get knobbled.

The city gets poisoned by toxic dust but its those damn arabs in the planes to blame

They get a war

 

etc etc

 

 

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16 minutes ago, zArk said:

 

you really dont see the problem with the WTC7 focus?

Jane Standley reporting WTC 7 collapse, then silverstein mentioning 'pull it', NIST hosting the video on their online channels,

 

Suddenly you think the media, owner of WTC and authorities are exposing the lies???

 

 

No, simply he said”pull it”

 

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Main thing is Who Benefits

the "need for a new pearl harbour" and PNAC group to go into list of countries 

Whilst bringing in increasing new control measures on population and fear

All  actors ready  to roll globally then

 

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25 minutes ago, peter said:

Well you know best,so your proof that assertion is?

 

I am making my argument;

 

all videos were made prior to the event and those cameramen and photographers on the day acting ad-hoc had their cameras taken by police

 

everything was controlled.

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1 hour ago, zArk said:

everything was controlled.

Very controlled. But physically impossible for it to have been controlled demolition, literally impossible just going on the times plotted on seismic activity graphs from multiple sources, no explosions registering prior or during, and both towers took 10 seconds and 8 seconds respectively. Free fall of a billiard ball was calculated to be at maximum 9.22 seconds. Good luck explaining that with controlled demolition. Plus the impact of them collapsing was nowhere near even lesser sized buildings. The book is very comprehensive even if you ignore all of the photographic evidence, it still holds up without imagery.

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2 hours ago, zArk said:

 

I am making my argument;

 

all videos were made prior to the event and those cameramen and photographers on the day acting ad-hoc had their cameras taken by police

 

everything was controlled.

So all the witnesses saw the three buildings come down at the same time and every single one of them forgot to mention it.

If all the videos were made prior as you say ,how do you know this

If you were to make the argument that tree buildings were flat for once I would agree with you

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2 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

Very controlled. But physically impossible for it to have been controlled demolition, literally impossible just going on the times plotted on seismic activity graphs from multiple sources, no explosions registering prior or during, and both towers took 10 seconds and 8 seconds respectively. Free fall of a billiard ball was calculated to be at maximum 9.22 seconds. Good luck explaining that with controlled demolition. Plus the impact of them collapsing was nowhere near even lesser sized buildings. The book is very comprehensive even if you ignore all of the photographic evidence, it still holds up without imagery.

 

you have no verified untainted evidence. Photos , videos, eyewitnesses are all part of the show.

 

if you wish to accept the seismic data as untainted by politics and preconceived ideas then oke dokey but i apply scrutiny to everything.

 

 

1 hour ago, peter said:

So all the witnesses saw the three buildings come down at the same time and every single one of them forgot to mention it.

If all the videos were made prior as you say ,how do you know this

If you were to make the argument that tree buildings were flat for once I would agree with you

 

Noone saw anything through the dust, the panic, the fear, the sirens, the noise.

 

Jane Standley took a stars role in the FAUX 'big mistake' of timing.  It was a well planned move to convince everyone WTC 7 was still there in the afternoon.

 

then they double down with the 'pull it' and the video releases

 

but anyways

 

no planes, no crashes into buildings. multiple explosions to get everyone out of the WTC Plaza, clear the demolition zone. Lots of smoke and dust. Lots of police pushing people back. Lots of fear and then they bring them down one by one in succession that morning.

no dew required. no alien ships, no magnetism. no thermite.

 

and poor old John Oneil probably on the trail of New York fbi post Emed Salem

 

An explosives job funded, post 1993, by the same group who funded the 1993 failure which was hijacked by the Neo-cons to produce a middle east war. The 1993 group wanted martial law, the neo cons wanted US empire building to be at top of the table of NWO

 

 

 

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48 minutes ago, zArk said:

 

you have no verified untainted evidence. Photos , videos, eyewitnesses are all part of the show.

 

if you wish to accept the seismic data as untainted by politics and preconceived ideas then oke dokey but i apply scrutiny to everything.

 

 

 

Noone saw anything through the dust, the panic, the fear, the sirens, the noise.

 

Jane Standley took a stars role in the FAUX 'big mistake' of timing.  It was a well planned move to convince everyone WTC 7 was still there in the afternoon.

 

then they double down with the 'pull it' and the video releases

 

but anyways

 

no planes, no crashes into buildings. multiple explosions to get everyone out of the WTC Plaza, clear the demolition zone. Lots of smoke and dust. Lots of police pushing people back. Lots of fear and then they bring them down one by one in succession that morning.

no dew required. no alien ships, no magnetism. no thermite.

 

and poor old John Oneil probably on the trail of New York fbi post Emed Salem

 

An explosives job funded, post 1993, by the same group who funded the 1993 failure which was hijacked by the Neo-cons to produce a middle east war. The 1993 group wanted martial law, the neo cons wanted US empire building to be at top of the table of NWO

 

 

 

You keep telling yourself that and let the rest of us get on with it, in case you missed it I asked you how do you know all this( for the second time now) ,I'm trying to be nice zark but christ you make it hard, you seem to apply something to things all right I'll grant you that but it's definitely not scrutiny from where I'm sitting

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3 hours ago, zArk said:

 

you have no verified untainted evidence. Photos , videos, eyewitnesses are all part of the show.

 

if you wish to accept the seismic data as untainted by politics and preconceived ideas then oke dokey but i apply scrutiny to everything.

 

 

 

Noone saw anything through the dust, the panic, the fear, the sirens, the noise.

 

Jane Standley took a stars role in the FAUX 'big mistake' of timing.  It was a well planned move to convince everyone WTC 7 was still there in the afternoon.

 

then they double down with the 'pull it' and the video releases

 

but anyways

 

no planes, no crashes into buildings. multiple explosions to get everyone out of the WTC Plaza, clear the demolition zone. Lots of smoke and dust. Lots of police pushing people back. Lots of fear and then they bring them down one by one in succession that morning.

no dew required. no alien ships, no magnetism. no thermite.

 

and poor old John Oneil probably on the trail of New York fbi post Emed Salem

 

An explosives job funded, post 1993, by the same group who funded the 1993 failure which was hijacked by the Neo-cons to produce a middle east war. The 1993 group wanted martial law, the neo cons wanted US empire building to be at top of the table of NWO

 

 

 

 

Aha, i see your point of view now and i must confess it is an attractive idea, but and there is always a big but in there somewhere, how do you account for the cars, vans, trucks and coaches that mysteriously seemed to have melted in the surrounding areas?

Addendum, were the falling bodies cgi or were they dummies, if they were dummies then someone had to be throwing them out of the windows?

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4 minutes ago, Youknownothingbutyou said:

Hein?

im not following. Wtc7 was pulled many hours after the twin tower were collapsed

 

I think what @zArk is saying, the news report by the BullshitBrothersClub was set up before the event with the building still in the background, and then played back on the day of the scene.

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6 hours ago, sock muppet said:

 

I think what @zArk is saying, the news report by the BullshitBrothersClub was set up before the event with the building still in the background, and then played back on the day of the scene.

There is only one problem there would be so many witnesses in other high rise buildings not to mention all the people on the ground. Zark said the sight of these witnesses  was obscured by dust and fear,maybe for some but not for everyone, to obscure every single vantage point around that area would be an impossibility,therefore zark's assertion  makes no sense in the realms of probability or possibility.

Ah the scrutiny

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3 hours ago, peter said:

There is only one problem there would be so many witnesses in other high rise buildings not to mention all the people on the ground. Zark said the sight of these witnesses  was obscured by dust and fear,maybe for some but not for everyone, to obscure every single vantage point around that area would be an impossibility,therefore zark's assertion  makes no sense in the realms of probability or possibility.

Ah the scrutiny

I can’t prove it but I’m think I remember the report for building 7 coming out early.

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15 hours ago, sock muppet said:

 

Aha, i see your point of view now and i must confess it is an attractive idea, but and there is always a big but in there somewhere, how do you account for the cars, vans, trucks and coaches that mysteriously seemed to have melted in the surrounding areas?

Addendum, were the falling bodies cgi or were they dummies, if they were dummies then someone had to be throwing them out of the windows?

well thats another of Judys misinterpretations because she took the photos at face value and didnt consider

 

cars were moved and lined up on FDR, debris fell on cars, burning debris fell on cars

the fire truck engine was in a different position

etc etc

 

how does a 'jumper' support Judy Woods DEW? I dont see how she is acquiring 'jumpers' and using it to support DEW.

 

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, Youknownothingbutyou said:

Hein?

im not following. Wtc7 was pulled many hours after the twin tower were collapsed

thats where i differ,

 

WTC 7 is the red herring. It was destroyed in the morning, as part of the complex demolition.

 

The lie was then enacted that WTC 7 was still standing by Jane Standley on BBC, Silverstein 'pull it' comment, etc etc The videos are all fake.

 

They controlled everything that day. They created a lie within a lie and produced a 9/11 issue that they can manage and use to direct 'post-operation' criticism.

 

Alex Jones completely wafted away any no-plane chatter, paid off the Loose Change lads to forget the no-plane issue, silenced radio show callers and then promoted massively WTC 7.

 

Everyone talks about WTC 7, and tbh it worked. It allowed time to dissolve 9/11 discussion and because it was THE most important issue for truth movement groups it degraded no-plane chatter.

 

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, sock muppet said:

 

I think what @zArk is saying, the news report by the BullshitBrothersClub was set up before the event with the building still in the background, and then played back on the day of the scene.

the entire scene was CGI composite. She was greenscreened and they just played the days created images.

 

the plane images were fake

the collapse images were fake

the helicopter footage was fake

 

the entire day is a myth.

 

The entire day was scripted. They turned New York into a film set.

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9 hours ago, peter said:

There is only one problem there would be so many witnesses in other high rise buildings not to mention all the people on the ground. Zark said the sight of these witnesses  was obscured by dust and fear,maybe for some but not for everyone, to obscure every single vantage point around that area would be an impossibility,therefore zark's assertion  makes no sense in the realms of probability or possibility.

Ah the scrutiny

 

so many witnesses .... so many....

 

the scrutiny

 

find me the so many witnesses who say they saw the WTC 7 demolition in the real, not on tv.

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4 hours ago, peter said:

yes the BBC reported the building had fallen 20 or so min before it actually did during a live coverage

you cant honestly believe this is 'live' images?

i admit it is enticing to have the 'gotcha' moment, but if you step back and relook at the pictures and the scene you will come round to admitting to yourself "i have been duped into believing a lie"

 

 

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the desired outcome was to generate  conspiracy theories based upon myth and make them palatable for the general public.

Among many reasons for this was to retain the notion that the day was chaotic , uncontrolled and authentic with the stalwart being the media images as the bedrock for society to cling to

 

no plane exposure collapses the image/tv trust

 

WTC7 entrenches image/tv trust

 

 

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