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Anyone remember Hurricane Erin?

 

It was hardly reported on the US weather news yet it dominated the Atlantic east of the burning towers. The hurricane had been approaching NY for 4 days!

 

You can see the material from the towers in this satellite photo taken at 14:39 on 11/9/2001 ...

 

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44 minutes ago, webtrekker said:

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Yes I've seen lectures by Dr Judy Wood(who I believe is no longer with us) interesting to say the least, in one of her lectures she shows a vid of a large steel beam  in amongst the rubble is coming down . It appears to become somewhat translucent and the turns to dust in mid air. I watched a doco years ago on VHS that was of a MASER test, they had a large missile in the desert and a few miles away was what looked like a large lens with an entire factory behind it ,the person giving the monologue said this was carried out in 1986, at the end of the countdown the missile flew to pieces ,no noise no flash,just bits everywhere. If it was real footage and I have no reason to suspect it wasn't and they could achieve that then ,one would have to ask what they have now.

There is so much that stinks about this event it would not surprise me that they used all three methods just to confuse the issue to such a degree that no one will ever get to the bottom of it, meaning forget about the average Joe  but for the ones that think things don't add up it would be a good way for the powers that be to keep them arguing amongst themselves  

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9 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

OK lets say that is 100% accurate, it would topple not collapse in to its own footprint then wouldn't it?

 

It toppled a little on the second building collapse. But these things are very heavy and carry enormous momentum. They want to go downwards not sideways. The force to tilt them off centre is orders of magnitude beyond the breaking point of the other side of the beam. This is only four minutes long:

 

9 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

As for thermite, I posted a forensic scientific study in this thread proving thermite was found.

 

A "forensic study"? And what steps have you taken to verify its veracity?

 

9 hours ago, TheConsultant said:

So we can go back to truth now rather than pretending any of the official narrative has any basis in science, logic or reality.

 

Well, your version of the truth needs checking as much as the official version. There really is no way explosives survive that massive plane explosion and fires.

 

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40 minutes ago, Arnie said:

 

It toppled a little on the second building collapse. But these things are very heavy and carry enormous momentum. They want to go downwards not sideways. The force to tilt them off centre is orders of magnitude beyond the breaking point of the other side of the beam. This is only four minutes long:

 

 

A "forensic study"? And what steps have you taken to verify its veracity?

 

 

Well, your version of the truth needs checking as much as the official version. There really is no way explosives survive that massive plane explosion and fires.

 

I didn't mention explosives, thermite is not an explosive and it was found at ground zero according to multiple independent forensic studies. Also you cannot have "versions" of truth, truth is truth, whether people accept that or not is not really up to me.

A computer simulation? May as well post a cartoon. Utterly pointless and provides nothing of value to the discussion. Computer simulations rely on inputted data, the output of that simulation is only as good as the data going in, incredibly easy to manipulate any simulation to your choosing.

Also a birdie tells me Russia watched it all in real time.

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2007-03/msg00493.html - Russia Watched 9/11 In REAL TIME on SATELLITE

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2 minutes ago, Dickwan said:

Flying a plane on a simulator is to piloting an actual plane what masturbating is to actual sexual intercourse. The troll on this thread won't, of course, understand this distinction. 

 

 

 

Yep. 

Looking out of a real cockpit window - you see fuck all but mostly sky and the far far distant earth. 

Navigating is done by instruments which need lengthy studying and training. 

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18 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

I didn't mention explosives, thermite is not an explosive and it was found at ground zero according to multiple independent forensic studies.

 

Others have mentioned explosions and the puffs from compression have often been quoted as such. Thermite is never going to survive a plane impact and fires. For these floors to fall independently and not from pancake collapse, you need thermite on every floor, since around 100lbs would be needed to do just one end of the beam, how in any world of secrecy do you get - god knows how many tons of the stuff - it all in the buildings and planted?

 

18 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

Also you cannot have "versions" of truth, truth is truth, whether people accept that or not is not really up to me.

 

I meant to put it in inverted commas. What you deem to be the truth does not automatically make it so. What steps did you take to examine the claims?

 

18 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

A computer simulation? May as well post a cartoon. Utterly pointless and provides nothing of value to the discussion.

 

Yeah whatever! A computer with the known weights and tolerances, given instructions that match what occurs and we get what was seen. I bet you didn't even watch the video. Even without the simulation the major point is that the weight of the broken part of the building is colossally more than the support strength of the floor below. Gravity makes this mass gain kinetic energy exponentially.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Dickwan said:

Flying a plane on a simulator is to piloting an actual plane what masturbating is to actual sexual intercourse.

 

Nonsense. Pilots use simulators to train on. They are extremely accurate in the way they respond to each instrument instruction.

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1 minute ago, Arnie said:

 

Others have mentioned explosions and the puffs from compression have often been quoted as such. Thermite is never going to survive a plane impact and fires. For these floors to fall independently and not from pancake collapse, you need thermite on every floor, since around 100lbs would be needed to do just one end of the beam, how in any world of secrecy do you get - god knows how many tons of the stuff - it all in the buildings and planted?

 

 

I meant to put it in inverted commas. What you deem to be the truth does not automatically make it so. What steps did you take to examine the claims?

 

 

Yeah whatever! A computer with the known weights and tolerances, given instructions that match what occurs and we get what was seen. I bet you didn't even watch the video. Even without the simulation the major point is that the weight of the broken part of the building is colossally more than the support strength of the floor below. Gravity makes this mass gain kinetic energy exponentially.

 

 

You are right on that, I didn't bother to watch a computer simulation. The input of the simulation determines the output. Shit in shit out as they say, easily manipulable and offers nothing of value to deriving at truth surrounding this. Thermite can withstand massive heat, it depends on its composition as to what causes it to ignite.

If you look around you will see maintenance on multiple floors in both buildings completely shut off from public months before 9-11, boxes of wireless charges bb 18. as seen here.

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54 minutes ago, Arnie said:

Well, your version of the truth needs checking as much as the official version. There really is no way explosives survive that massive plane explosion and fires.

You can burn C4 and hit it with a high velocity tracer round and it wont detonate so how do you know that it wouldn't survive ,that's just your assumption as for ,Thermite, it depends what casing its housed in  it's very easy to make  and magnesium ribbon will burn at a high enough temp to set it going

 

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I think the work of Dr Judy Wood, R.I.P, is of paramount importance when trying to determine the reasons behind the pulverisation (not collapse!) of the towers. It should be the basis of everyone's reasoning and below I have provided a link to her book 'Where Did The Towers Go?' I make no excuses for posting this link. If you want to buy the book then feel free, but I think it's information that should be available in the public domain and not just to people with £50 to spare.

 

[Click image to download PDF, or use the link below] The book contains many pages (around 550 I think) so is best viewed in Adobe Reader and not through your browser.

 

WDTTG

 

https://fudgeys.co.uk/WDTTG_towersocr_compressed.pdf

 

If you're stuck for time and want a quick summary then see her website - http://www.drjudywood.com/wp/

 

Her old website is here and provides much of the information that is used in her book. Well worth a look.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Arnie said:

 

Nonsense. Pilots use simulators to train on. They are extremely accurate in the way they respond to each instrument instruction.

I think there is a bit of a difference between a pilot training simulator for a specific aircraft and a home computer with a bloody joy stick

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5 minutes ago, peter said:

Sorry ,but all I can say is what bullshit

 

And that is your right. I would have preferred you to go into some detail rather than bare assertion dismissal. The simulator replicates the controls, point it at the target and bang.

 

The absence of planes at the pentagon and at New York has been claimed for some time now and yet to be explained is the rather large fat elephant in the room.

 

 

Using planes:

No need to dispose of the real planes or passengers, or mess about making dozens of films and fake plane sounds for the whole city to hear. No need to have teams of people sprinkling parts all around New York and Washington or burning the bodies, mangling them up and dropping body parts and DNA everywhere. No need for bullshit "crisis" actors or management teams to oversee all this. No cash to change hands for silence, no paper trails, recordings or farting around planning and coordinating. No chance of it messing up with eagle-eyed truthers noticing "things". No need to set any magic and IMPOSSIBLE inwards column pulling blasts on all buildings, or to deploy people to place all the impossible charges. No need to dump all that plane fuel at the explosion site or pieces of random non-plane wreckage.


No Planes:

Now we need:

  • A team to dispose of the planes and the bodies
  • A team to burn and mangle the bodies to sprinkle DNA all over the area, or a team to fake the analyses.
  • We still need a team to place tiny body parts everywhere.
  • A team to drive around dropping bits of plane around the area, including a massive plane engine in full view of spectators in NY!
  • A team to do this at the Pentagon with cameras on TV helicopters and emergency services arriving any time soon.
  • A massive team to manufacture all the footage at NY.
  • A team to lay all thecharges at the Pentagon or a military branch to fire a missile on its own country (that's ridiculous).
  • ALL paper trails paying any personnel to be deleted and financial reimbursements hidden.

 

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8 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

You are right on that, I didn't bother to watch a computer simulation. The input of the simulation determines the output. Shit in shit out as they say, easily manipulable and offers nothing of value to deriving at truth surrounding this.

 

No, they say shit in shit out when it's actually shit in. You just dismissed it with a waive of the Jedi hand. For all your posts, all you have said is something about it being impossible for the building to collapse from what we witnessed. This is your opinion and as far as I can tell with nothing tangible to support it. Whereas I gave you the ONLY medium possible to support my counter claim, short of finding some similar building fallind down to recreate it.

 

8 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

Thermite can withstand massive heat, it depends on its composition as to what causes it to ignite.

 

Yeah sure, hundreds of tons of it in both buildings with sprinklers and all sorts going off, nobody noticing it and it is amazingly able to withstand intense fire and plane crashes. Your version of the truth is very far fetched.  

 

8 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

If you look around you will see maintenance on multiple floors in both buildings completely shut off from public months before 9-11, boxes of wireless charges bb 18. as seen here.

 

 

False. And they really didn't read the memo obviously. Don't photograph the "suspicious" boxes and don't put it on the internet.

 

This was an art project:

 

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