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Computer code for Prof Lockdown's model which predicted 500,000 would die from Covid-19 and inspired Britain's 'Stay Home' plan is a 'mess which would get you fired in private industry' say data experts

  • Professor Neil Ferguson's Imperial College London coding branded 'unreliable'
  • University of Edinburgh scientists ran the same model and had different results 
  • Model was criticised early on by University of Oxford and public health expert
  • Prof Ferguson left the government's Sage group after breaking lockdown rules  
  • Here’s how to help people impacted by Covid-19

By Vanessa Chalmers Health Reporter For Mailonline and Luke May

Published: 09:24, 17 May 2020 | Updated: 16:49, 17 May 2020

Scientists have levelled a flurry of criticism against Professor Neil Ferguson's modelling which warned 500,000 people could die from coronavirus and prompted Britain to go into lockdown.

Modelling from Imperial College London epidemiologist Professor Ferguson, who stepped down from the government's Sage group at the start of May, has been described as 'totally unreliable' by other experts.

The coding that produced the sobering death figures was impossible to read, and therefore cast doubts on its strength, The Telegraph reported. It is also some 13 years old, it said.

When other scientists have tried to replicate the findings using the same model, they have repeatedly failed to do.

Prof Ferguson's model is understood to have single-handedly triggered a dramatic change in the Government's handling of the outbreak, as they moved away from herd immunity to a lockdown. 

Competing scientists' research - whose models produced vastly different results - has been largely discarded, they claim. 

David Richards, co-founder of British data technology company WANdisco said the model was a 'buggy mess that looks more like a bowl of angel hair pasta than a finely tuned piece of programming'. 

He said: 'In our commercial reality we would fire anyone for developing code like this and any business that relied on it to produce software for sale would likely go bust.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8327641/Coronavirus-modelling-Professor-Neil-Ferguson-branded-mess-experts.html

  

 

you are not informed enough as an individual to be dictating to people what the real issues are. You would benefit greatly from winding your neck in and listening more

 

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17 hours ago, Free_your_mind said:

It was developed quickly because there was a global effort to put all available resources into developing a vaccine.  It wasn't 'rushed'. The compressed time has no relationship to safety concerns as all safety checks and all data has been reviewed as it normally would.

 

They are supposed to wait two years for the stage 3 part of the trial to complete and then monitor for another two years. It says so in pfizers own document which you can read by clicking on the link below. This means that the british public are themselves being used as the stage 3 participants. This means the trials are not over and therefore it is reasonable to say that they have been 'rushed' as they are being deployed on the general public before safety trials have been completed. The government has waved them through however under regulation 174 because they claim there is an emergency. But the so called emergency has been ginned up using a PCR test that is generating false positives that the government is then claiming are 'cases' when a case is when someone goes to a hospital with an infection

 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577/suppl_file/nejmoa2034577_protocol.pdf

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2 minutes ago, Free_your_mind said:

[Robot voice] Copy. Paste. Copy. Paste. Repeat. Tea or coffee. Tea or coffee. 4 teas please.

 

do you have a problem reading?

 

you have a poster above telling you the data put into the model was garbage and you then accuse him of not knowing whether the quality of the data was garbage and when a second poster shares a mainstream article where experts in that field say the data was garbage you don't respond like a person of good character would and say 'ah yeah, ok, fair enough' you just throw insults back

 

This shows you are not really interested in the truth. You are here to troll people.

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1 hour ago, Firebird said:

They're not gonna use the army to force vaccine you. They will make it impossible to travel or shop without being vaccinated, so we'll keep our ''freedom to choose''. LOL...

 

i don't share your confidence on that

 

they have already used the army to carry out testing in liverpool to get people used to having soldiers moving around the streets and coming door to door and they are likely to use the army to deploy the vaccine around the country too

 

Consider also:

 

10,000 extra troops to join British army's Covid support force
MoD doubles size of force amid fears over ability of police and NHS to cope with crisis
Haroon Siddique and Robert Booth

Wed 18 Mar 2020 22.30 GMT
Specialist military planners are also being deployed to steer local responses to the pandemic and tackle rising pressure on care homes, after a request by the communities secretary, Robert Jenrick.
There are fears about the ability of the police and NHS, which are both already at full stretch, to deal with the scale of the crisis. While the government has been reluctant to highlight such a bleak prospect, the armed forces need to be prepared for the threat of a breakdown in civil order given that troops have been deployed in other countries to enforce lockdowns and prevent looting of shops.
Up to 70 non-uniformed military personnel with crisis planning expertise are being sent to all 38 local resilience forums, to "test planning and identify weaknesses", defence sources said.

Local resilience forums are normally made up of councils, NHS bodies, emergency services and the environment agency. The military planners joining them are described as experts in coordinating resources in a crisis, which in the care system will mean bolstering already stretched operations.
Jenrick asked for an increase in military help, specifically highlighting the need to "support local authority elements of Covid-19 response plans, including social care".
The Standing Joint Command HQ in Aldershot, Hampshire, will serve as the command and control structure for the Covid support force.
The military was recently involved in civil contingency work when called on to support the government"s response to flooding.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/18/10000-extra-troops-to-join-british-armys-covid-support-force

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On 12/15/2020 at 2:30 PM, Macnamara said:

 

do you have a problem reading?

 

you have a poster above telling you the data put into the model was garbage and you then accuse him of not knowing whether the quality of the data was garbage and when a second poster shares a mainstream article where experts in that field say the data was garbage you don't respond like a person of good character would and say 'ah yeah, ok, fair enough' you just throw insults back

 

This shows you are not really interested in the truth. You are here to troll people.

 

Have a re-read of the posts. I am talking about vaccine data.  @Tom bombadil chimes in with 'garbage in garbage out'. He then states how it really works, as if he would know. He states no one has ever isolated the virus, but has provided zero credible proof. If you actually knew anything about virology, you wouldn't even make this claim as it's so wrong it just makes you look like you haven't done any independent research. You then copy and paste a mainstream link related to modelling data used by the government?? I reply with an Alan Partridge reference to reflect the robotic nature of copying and pasting information without knowing the content. Then, you accuse me of having a problem of reading! Your article has nothing to do with anything in the posts before, which was about vaccine data not modelling data. Completely different. That's a perfect example of the copy and paste mentality. And then you go on to compound your misjudgement all because you are not willing to actually enter into an exchange of ideas, but rely heavily on Ctrl + V.

 

To address some your points, 'they're supposed to wait 2 years before starting phase 3 of the trials' - It's a global pandemic, is it not reasonable to speed things up a bit? Death toll is only 1.6 million! What are they going to do, twiddle their thumbs? If there was a way to get to the vaccine more quickly, they would take that option. That doesn't imply that safety measures were overlooked. In your worldview, it does. But there's nothing I can do about that. The speed was obtained by overlapping the 3 phases of the trials. So, phase 3 began, as phase 2 was still ongoing. Data (safety measure) was collected and reviewed as the trials were ongoing, whereas they normally do this after each phase as you say. It's not overly complex, and I'm sure most people on here can see how staggering a process which is normally linear would speed up the process. 

 

'This means that the british public are themselves being used as the stage 3 participants'. - completely false. See above. All 3 phases of the clinical trails have been completed before the vaccine was licensed by the regulator. This is a fact. They were staggered to speed it up becasue guess what? Newsflash, a lot of people are dying around the world from a pandemic! You point to a link of how it's normally done. So what? Context is everything, and the context to this vaccine is different to others.

 

A key thing to remember when pulling out details of how things have been done differently for this vaccine and obsessing over them, is that this vaccine has been manufactured IN RESPONSE TO A GLOBAL PANDEMIC. That's the context. The status quo wasn't entirely applicable, the default position needed adjusting to react to the unique challenges that were present.

 

Anti-covid theories/plandemic stuff is mostly a nonsense, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were generated and fueled by Russia or China to destabilie western democracies. Tag cui prodest?

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1 hour ago, Free_your_mind said:

Have a re-read of the posts. I am talking about vaccine data.  @Tom bombadil chimes in with 'garbage in garbage out'. He then states how it really works, as if he would know. He states no one has ever isolated the virus, but has provided zero credible proof. If you actually knew anything about virology, you wouldn't even make this claim as it's so wrong it just makes you look like you haven't done any independent research. You then copy and paste a mainstream link related to modelling data used by the government??

 

yes i posted about the computer modelling because tom bambodil was talking about the computer modelling, see here where he says 'garbage in, garbage out' he was referring to the computer modelling

 

On 12/15/2020 at 12:21 AM, Tom bombadil said:

Maybe the Computer Modeling will improve to the point of getting their sums correct at the start of all this.

 

All the mathamatics was wrong.  Garbage in garbage out.

  

1 hour ago, Free_your_mind said:

Your article has nothing to do with anything in the posts before, which was about vaccine data not modelling data. Completely different. That's a perfect example of the copy and paste mentality. And then you go on to compound your misjudgement all because you are not willing to actually enter into an exchange of ideas, but rely heavily on Ctrl + V.

 

My article had everything to do with the computer modelling so i think you should apologise

 

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2 hours ago, Free_your_mind said:

'they're supposed to wait 2 years before starting phase 3 of the trials' - It's a global pandemic, is it not reasonable to speed things up a bit?

 

No its not reasonable to rush through an experimental technology and then deploy it on the public for an alleged virus which the official figures tell us has a survival rate for people under 70 of 99.98%

 

That's comparable to the flu which is 99.99% so frankly that is insane

 

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Death toll is only 1.6 million!

 

No it isn't. They are simply calling anyone who dies of flu and pneumonia a 'covid' death when they are not

 

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The speed was obtained by overlapping the 3 phases of the trials. So, phase 3 began, as phase 2 was still ongoing. Data (safety measure) was collected and reviewed as the trials were ongoing, whereas they normally do this after each phase as you say. It's not overly complex, and I'm sure most people on here can see how staggering a process which is normally linear would speed up the process. 

 

In their own literature which i gave you a link to it says that stage 3 takes two years but they have done all 3 stages in about 6 months. That is criminally reckless

 

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'This means that the british public are themselves being used as the stage 3 participants'. - completely false. See above. All 3 phases of the clinical trails have been completed before the vaccine was licensed by the regulator. This is a fact.

 

Not according to pfizers own methodology which you should go and read so that you don't keep spouting off nonsense

 

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 is that this vaccine has been manufactured IN RESPONSE TO A GLOBAL PANDEMIC.

 

No its a pseudo pandemic. The 'cases' the government are reporting are false positives produced by PCR tests that by the governments own admission cannot be used to distinguish if an infectious virus is present:

 

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2 hours ago, Free_your_mind said:

 

Have a re-read of the posts. I am talking about vaccine data.  @Tom bombadil chimes in with 'garbage in garbage out'. He then states how it really works, as if he would know. He states no one has ever isolated the virus, but has provided zero credible proof. If you actually knew anything about virology, you wouldn't even make this claim as it's so wrong it just makes you look like you haven't done any independent research. You then copy and paste a mainstream link related to modelling data used by the government?? I reply with an Alan Partridge reference to reflect the robotic nature of copying and pasting information without knowing the content. Then, you accuse me of having a problem of reading! Your article has nothing to do with anything in the posts before, which was about vaccine data not modelling data. Completely different. That's a perfect example of the copy and paste mentality. And then you go on to compound your misjudgement all because you are not willing to actually enter into an exchange of ideas, but rely heavily on Ctrl + V.

 

To address some your points, 'they're supposed to wait 2 years before starting phase 3 of the trials' - It's a global pandemic, is it not reasonable to speed things up a bit? Death toll is only 1.6 million! What are they going to do, twiddle their thumbs? If there was a way to get to the vaccine more quickly, they would take that option. That doesn't imply that safety measures were overlooked. In your worldview, it does. But there's nothing I can do about that. The speed was obtained by overlapping the 3 phases of the trials. So, phase 3 began, as phase 2 was still ongoing. Data (safety measure) was collected and reviewed as the trials were ongoing, whereas they normally do this after each phase as you say. It's not overly complex, and I'm sure most people on here can see how staggering a process which is normally linear would speed up the process. 

 

'This means that the british public are themselves being used as the stage 3 participants'. - completely false. See above. All 3 phases of the clinical trails have been completed before the vaccine was licensed by the regulator. This is a fact. They were staggered to speed it up becasue guess what? Newsflash, a lot of people are dying around the world from a pandemic! You point to a link of how it's normally done. So what? Context is everything, and the context to this vaccine is different to others.

 

A key thing to remember when pulling out details of how things have been done differently for this vaccine and obsessing over them, is that this vaccine has been manufactured IN RESPONSE TO A GLOBAL PANDEMIC. That's the context. The status quo wasn't entirely applicable, the default position needed adjusting to react to the unique challenges that were present.

 

Anti-covid theories/plandemic stuff is mostly a nonsense, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were generated and fueled by Russia or China to destabilie western democracies. Tag cui prodest?

With all due consideration to your freedom to be here I ask that you don't insult our intellectual ability by being passive aggressive.

 

I'm not going to respond to your obvious trolling of at least four of us here any more unless you really are acting the tart or it's funny.

 

 

The numbers don't add up concerning covid.  Any child can see that.  After THAT you just sound like a blubbering cat with saliva issues and no teeth..blubb blubb blub.

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7 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

No its not reasonable to rush through an experimental technology and then deploy it on the public for an alleged virus which the official figures tell us has a survival rate for people under 70 of 99.98%

 

That's comparable to the flu which is 99.99% so frankly that is insane

 

 

No it isn't. They are simply calling anyone who dies of flu and pneumonia a 'covid' death when they are not

 

 

In their own literature which i gave you a link to it says that stage 3 takes two years but they have done all 3 stages in about 6 months. That is criminally reckless

 

 

Not according to pfizers own methodology which you should go and read so that you don't keep spouting off nonsense

 

 

No its a pseudo pandemic. The 'cases' the government are reporting are false positives produced by PCR tests that by the governments own admission cannot be used to distinguish if an infectious virus is present:

 

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Please take off the blinkers on this. This isn't good information that you are putting across. How long have you been a truther?

 

Sars-cov-2 is more lethal than the current strains of influenza that are out there at the moment. All the evidence points to this. Hospitals and coroners have reported 65,000 deaths attributed to covid-19 to date. Someone in government isn't fudging these numbers. Flu kills around 17,000 a year. You don't believe the cases are legit because of false positives. Well, yes there is a margin of error in the figures and it's calculation is not a perfectly precise measure due to the nature of the virus. The excess deaths in the population this year support the official count death is at these levels and even points to them being higher. 

 

But here's the rub. Covid deaths are higher than influenza deaths in all countries around the world with significant outbreaks. And this is even despite the fact that WE HAVE A VACCINE FOR FLU! Can't you see how disengenious it is to play down the deaths caused by a novel virus against a known virus which a good percentage of the population is vaccinated against? Wait! There's another. The covid deaths are still this high DESPITE EXTREME MEASURES TO CONROL THE VIRUS! We don't lockdown the country for influenza, yet covid still kills more and you're somehow comparing the two? It doesn't make sense. You're argument would be impossible if we didn't lockdown as covid deaths would be in the hundreds of thousands. Yet I feel you would still make it. 

 

And another thing I think is important is why are you leaving out over 70s in your figures? Is it because the 99.8% would be wrong? Is it because these people have a 10% and higher chance of dying? Which should be frightening to anyone. Is it because if they have to go to hospital, they have a 30-40% chance of dying from covid-19? That's ~10 million people you have omitted from your data set to make a disingenuous point. The virus has never been about the young, it effects the elderly significantly worse. And you and others just brush them aside. I've read theories on here about a plan to replace the old people of this country. Sounds like you're fully on board when you erase them from the data as if thier lives hold no value. 

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35 minutes ago, Free_your_mind said:

Flu kills around 17,000 a year.

 

No.

 

Just in England alone flu killed:

2015 = 27544

2016 = 25310

2016 = 25448

 

BUT, lets do the numbers the same as is done for covid!

So if flu is mentioned on the death certificate, then they died from flu.

 

Again just in England:

2015 = 98477

2016 = 91999

2017 = 90877

 

All figures taken from ONS data sheets.

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58 minutes ago, Odie Hatzcats said:

 

No.

 

Just in England alone flu killed:

2015 = 27544

2016 = 25310

2016 = 25448

 

BUT, lets do the numbers the same as is done for covid!

So if flu is mentioned on the death certificate, then they died from flu.

 

Again just in England:

2015 = 98477

2016 = 91999

2017 = 90877

 

All figures taken from ONS data sheets.

 

Odie, I have just spent time on the ONS website. All the data on there supports my argument that Sars-Cov-2 is a significantly more serious virus than influenza (current strains in circulation). I managed to find the data which I think your table is taken from. And they include influenza AND pneumonia deaths. So, the numbers above are not correct for flu. Did you locate them yourself or have you copied and pasted from another source? I don't think the ONS work out numbers of flu deaths that would have been counted if the same method was applied to covid deaths. Why would they do that? But, we can go back and forth. Let's say the premise of your argument is correct, flu deaths are the same as covid deaths. It still doesn't logically follow that covid is a non-serious disease, as there is a vaccine for influenza so millions of people are walking around protected and there have been extreme measures in actively trying to suppress this virus, which isn't the case for influenza. Can you not see, that even with your own logic that if flu deaths are equal to covid deaths (they're not), it still must be a lot more deadly than flu given the the two factors mentioned above vaccine & lockdowns). What is really the reason you are committed to an anti-covid agenda?

 

Have you considered the Russians or Chinese are behind this misinformation to damage our populations? I mean, just look at China, if they released the virus as some say. They have protected their population, as the rest of the world, mainly powerful western countries struggles to control it. And then they go about spreading anti-covid propaganda. Think about it. 

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11 hours ago, Tom bombadil said:

With all due consideration to your freedom to be here I ask that you don't insult our intellectual ability by being passive aggressive.

 

I'm not going to respond to your obvious trolling of at least four of us here any more unless you really are acting the tart or it's funny.

 

 

The numbers don't add up concerning covid.  Any child can see that.  After THAT you just sound like a blubbering cat with saliva issues and no teeth..blubb blubb blub.

Hi Tom, trying to be honest here. Asking serious important questions. I believe people should encourage rigorous debate of their ideas, as it is only when those ideas are pushed against do they reveal their strength or not. Used to be on the side of believing most of the things on this site, so I believe I have some insights people might be interested in. Don't think I've been trolling at all, mods will pull my collar if I do. Suggesting that sars-cov-2 doesn't exist and that is no worse than the flu is, in my opinion, the proverbial turd in the punch bowl. It's so wrong that I think there's a good chance it could be misinformation planted by the Russians or Chinese.

 

The reason for your autocorrect edit has an autocorrect error in it! Which I found assuming :) 

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1 hour ago, Free_your_mind said:

 

Have you considered the Russians or Chinese are behind this misinformation to damage our populations?

 

The Russians and Chinese may be spreading misinformaton, but the West are also doing a great job too.

 

They are working in unison.

 

It's called the New World Order

 

Incorporating, THE CORPORATION which includes the financial sector, media, big pharma, technology surveilling

citizens 24/7, military industrial complex, police, education and so much more. 

 

You said you used to believe "all the conspiracies" and followed David Icke, but now have seen the light!!

 

Did you get a job GCHQ?

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

 

Please provide the evidence.

I'm afraid you can look for yourself. I don't believe copying and pasting snapshots of information is useful in getting to the truth. It often lacks content and it is too easy to manipulate to fit the poster's agenda. But I didn't have to look long on the ONS site to see the 'its not worse than the flu' argument just doesn't stand up. If I had my truther hat on, I would just question the data on ONS site as being unreliable because it comes from a government body and go back to my infallible worldview. 

 

Another benefit of writing down or thinking through ideas and theories is that as you are thinking about them, you apply rules and logical filters during the process. The process can actually make you look at something in a different light before you've even articulated it. Copy and pasting or even looking at information that has been copied and pasted, can by-pass our ability to look at things rationally.

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I asked for evidence relating to your comment and your reply is:

 

7 minutes ago, Free_your_mind said:

I'm afraid you can look for yourself. I don't believe copying and pasting snapshots of information is useful in getting to the truth

 

 

You wouldn't do very well in a court of law.

 

NO EVIDENCE. CASE DISMISSED.

 

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4 hours ago, Free_your_mind said:

This isn't good information that you are putting across.

 

The survival rate was the CDC's own information:

 

Parameter Scenario 1 Scenario 2 Scenario 3 Scenario 4 Scenario 5: Current Best Estimate
R0* 2.0 4.0 2.5
Infection Fatality Ratio 0-19 years: 0.00002
20-49 years: 0.00007
50-69 years: 0.0025
70+ years: 0.028
0-19 years: 0.0001
20-49 years: 0.0003
50-69 years: 0.010
70+ years: 0.093

0-19 years: 0.00003
20-49 years: 0.0002
50-69 years: 0.005
70+ years: 0.054

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

 

The survival rate of COVID-19 has been upgraded since May to 99.8% of infections. This comes close to ordinary flu, the survival rate of which is 99.9%. Although COVID can have serious after-effects, so can flu or any respiratory illness. The present survival rate is far higher than initial grim guesses in March and April, cited by Dr. Anthony Fauci, of 94%, or 20 to 30 times deadlier. The Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) value accepted by Yeadon et al in the paper is .26%. The survival rate of a disease is 100% minus the IFR.

https://discover.hubpages.com/politics/Pfizer-Chief-Science-Officer-Second-Wave-Based-on-Fake-Data-of-False-Positives-for-New-Cases-Pandemic-is-Over

 

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Sars-cov-2 is more lethal than the current strains of influenza that are out there at the moment. All the evidence points to this. Hospitals and coroners have reported 65,000 deaths attributed to covid-19 to date. 

 

but those figures are being contested because there has been pressure on doctors to record on death certificates that they died of 'covid' when in fact they had comorbidities

Physicians Say Hospitals Are Pressuring ER Docs to List COVID-19 on Death Certificates. Here’s Why

The economic incentive to add COVID-19 to diagnostic lists and death certificates is clear and does not require any conspiracy.
Wednesday, April 29, 2020

During their long discussion with reporters, Dr. Erickson noted he has spoken to numerous physicians who say they are being pressured to add COVID-19 to death certificates and diagnostic lists—even when the novel coronavirus appears to have no relation to the victim’s cause of death.

“They say, ‘You know, it’s interesting. When I’m writing up my death report I’m being pressured to add Covid,’” Erickson said. “Why is that? Why are we being pressured to add Covid? To maybe increase the numbers, and make it look a little bit worse than it is?”

https://fee.org/articles/physicians-say-hospitals-are-pressuring-er-docs-to-list-covid-19-on-death-certificates-here-s-why/

 

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You don't believe the cases are legit because of false positives. Well, yes there is a margin of error in the figures and it's calculation is not a perfectly precise measure due to the nature of the virus.

 

Portuguese Court Rules PCR Tests As Unreliable & Unlawful To Quarantine People

November 18, 2020
A Portuguese appeals court has ruled that PCR tests are unreliable and that it is unlawful to quarantine people based solely on a PCR test.
The court stated, the test’s reliability depends on the number of cycles used and the viral load present. Citing Jaafar et al. 2020, the court concludes that
if someone is tested by PCR as positive when a threshold of 35 cycles or higher is used (as is the rule in most laboratories in Europe and the US), the probability that said person is infected is less than 3%, and the probability that said result is a false positive is 97%.”
The court further notes that the cycle threshold used for the PCR tests currently being made in Portugal is unknown.
The threshold cycles used in PCR tests in India is between 37 and 40, which makes the reliability of the PCR test less than 3% and the false positive rate as high as 97%.
https://greatgameindia.com/portuguese-court-pcr-tests-unreliable/

 

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The excess deaths in the population this year support the official count death is at these levels and even points to them being higher. 

 

The lockdowns are killing people:

 

Lockdown 'could kill 75,000 over five years' - that's the OFFICIAL projection of non-COVID deaths caused by missed cancer diagnoses, cancelled operations and health impacts of a recession. The virus death toll? 42,000
By Ben Spencer and Simon Walters for the Daily Mail
Published: 22:00, 25 September 2020 | Updated: 08:11, 26 September 2020
Nearly 75,000 people could die from non-Covid causes as a result of lockdown, according to devastating official figures buried in a 188-page document. The startling research, presented to the Government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), will further increase pressure on Boris Johnson to hold back on introducing further coronavirus restrictions. The document reveals 16,000 people died as a result of the chaos in hospitals and care homes in March and April alone. It estimates a further 26,000 will lose their lives within a year if people continue to stay away from A&E and the problems in social care persist.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rojection.html

 

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Covid deaths are higher than influenza deaths in all countries around the world with significant outbreaks.

 

Flu has virtually dissapeared worldwide during this psuedo pandemic and that is because they are simply calling flu deaths 'covid' deaths

 

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And this is even despite the fact that WE HAVE A VACCINE FOR FLU!

 

The flu vaccine is causing peoples immune system to turn on itself due to viral interference. Its very possible that through a process called 'molecular mimicry' the flu vaccination has in fact created the autoantibodies that are causing the covid symptoms:

 

Molecular Mimicry—Understanding the Link between Vaccines and Autoimmune Disease
March 20, 2018
By the World Mercury Project Team

Autoimmune diseases have become increasingly common in the United States and other high-income countries over the past several decades and now affect an estimated 5%-10% of the population in those countries.....when the body’s immune responses get misdirected against itself.

The pathogenic hallmark of autoimmune disease is the production of proteins called autoantibodies, whereby the immune system mistakenly attacks the body’s own organs, tissues and cells instead of fighting external pathogens. Vaccines can prompt autoantibody production through a mechanism called “molecular mimicry.”

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/molecular-mimicry-understanding-the-link-between-vaccines-and-autoimmune-disease/

 

The Key to Covid

 

The key to unlocking covid is to understand that the flu vaccinations have been causing the production of autoantibodies through molecular mimicry and these are then causing peoples immune responses to misdirect against them. This piece below from the daily mail speaks about a study that has found these autoantibodies in people with covid 19 symptoms. It is the vaccines themselves which are causing covid:

'Autoantibodies' make some people more likely to suffer severe coronavirus symptoms and cause 'long Covid', scientists say

  • People with coronavirus have high numbers of 'autoantibodies' in their blood
  • Block body's Covid-tackling antibodies and attack several areas, including brain 
  • Could account for why some Covid sufferers experience long-lasting symptoms 

By Jemma Carr For Mailonline

Published: 20:53, 13 December 2020 | Updated: 22:50, 13 December 2020

Extreme levels of 'friendly fire' antibodies in the immune system could trigger severe coronavirus symptoms and cause 'long Covid', scientists say.

Coronavirus patients have high numbers of 'autoantibodies' in their blood which block the body's Covid-tackling antibodies and attack several areas, including the brain, blood vessels and liver.

This could account for why some Covid sufferers experience long-lasting symptoms - such as fatigue, breathlessness and brain problems, a study found. 

Researchers at Yale University counted the number of 'autoantibodies' in the blood of 194 hospital workers and patients with Covid - compared to 30 healthy staff members.

They found that non-infected people had far fewer autoantibodies than those who had the virus. 

Another set of tests discovered that people with more autoantibodies - which attack the same organs known to be damaged in Covid sufferers - experienced worse Covid-19 symptoms.

Scientists fear the negative effects of the 'friendly fire' could continue for an extended period of time, causing long Covid.

Yale immunobiologist and the study's senior author Aaron Ring told The Guardian: 'Covid-19 patients make autoantibodies that actually interfere with immune responses against the virus.  

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9049201/Extreme-levels-friendly-fire-bodys-immune-cause-long-Covid.html

 

 

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And another thing I think is important is why are you leaving out over 70s in your figures?

 

The CDC figures above show their own claims about survival rates for different age groups

 

Why i think it is significant is because the usual practise during a pandemic is to quarantine the sick NOT all the healthy and if there is little to no health threat to younger people then there is no argument for locking them down and destroying their livlihoods and mental and physical health in the process

 

This is what the 35,000+ doctors and scientists who have signed the great barrington declaration are saying: that the lockdown of the entire population is unjustified. If the old and infirm want to self isolate then that should be their choice to do so

 

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Is it because if they have to go to hospital, they have a 30-40% chance of dying from covid-19?

 

well going to hospital could be a fatal thing to do yes because they were as a standard operating procedure putting people in ventilators and the death rate of people on ventilators is something like 80+% so its pretty much a death sentence. That practice has since been called into question but the point is that the doctors were killing people by doing that

 

Really the problem is one of thickening blood which is then preventing proper oxygen uptake by the body

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TruegroupGCHQ77 volunteer tranny section shilling his a$$ off I see.

 

PCR test is a fraud & pseudo bollocks.


Any true skeptic would highlight this obvious..

 

Anything amplified over 35 gives false positives of upto 97%.

 

That alones debunks this whole scam against humanity.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Free_your_mind said:

I have just spent time on the ONS website.

 

WOW what a star you are 🤩

I have been on there since March.

 

2 hours ago, Free_your_mind said:

All the data on there supports my argument that Sars-Cov-2 is a significantly more serious virus than influenza

 

No it doesn't. It all shows that the lockdowns and removal of required treatment have (if you believe the numbers) MURDERED up to 65k very old or already sick people.

 

2 hours ago, Free_your_mind said:

the numbers above are not correct for flu.

 

Oh get fucked you:

 

 

But as far as your concerned to be shot in the head and STILL CLASSED AS A COVID DEATH IS FINE thwak.gif.d2dd3476a3c22d9ec974674841339e6e.gif

 

2 hours ago, Free_your_mind said:

Did you locate them yourself or have you copied and pasted from another source?

 

I have been pulling the data since March (first thing I did was to collect all I could going back to 2010)

I just took a screenshot comparing different years

 

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I really can't be arsed with your kind anymore.

 

You shouldn't be on this site mate

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7 minutes ago, Odie Hatzcats said:

I really can't be arsed with your kind anymore.

 

You shouldn't be on this site mate

 

i want the government to send people to this site

 

individuals in the police and military have families in this country so they need to hear what we have to say

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7 minutes ago, Odie Hatzcats said:

I just took a screenshot comparing different years

 

I didn't say what I was comparing.

Year by year deaths week 13 to week 27 inc

Which was the lockdown.

 

Guess how many died when the hospitals were sodding empty and treatments being refused??

 

2 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

i want the government to send people to this site

 

individuals in the police and military have families in this country so they need to hear what we have to say

 

Fair enough but I no longer see the point. They have chosen their side and they can die by that choice.

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3 minutes ago, Odie Hatzcats said:

Fair enough but I no longer see the point. They have chosen their side and they can die by that choice.

 

we are definately at a time where people will need to choose to serve the people or the elites but to conscious of that they need context

 

a lot of people simply lack the  context within which to interpret current events

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40 minutes ago, Odie Hatzcats said:

 

I didn't say what I was comparing.

Year by year deaths week 13 to week 27 inc

Which was the lockdown.

 

Guess how many died when the hospitals were sodding empty and treatments being refused??

 

 

Fair enough but I no longer see the point. They have chosen their side and they can die by that choice.

 

So personal insults thrown into a civil discussion. And now you're wishing death on someone that disagrees with you. Can't really pass judgement as I was in your shoes once. When you go too far into the the global conspiracy, it ends up consuming you with hate. I was filled with it - hate for everyone who wasn't in on our little secret. So much for David Icke's message of love. He even found it in him to find love for the people causing humanity harm - he said he loved George Bush. Yet, you can't even keep your hatred contained to an anonymous poster on an internet forum. 

 

I've come through the other side of the belief system and can reflect back on the psychological mechanisms that underpin it. The way it bands us together, makes us think we know secrets others don't, makes us feel special and important because we can decode the world. Makes us feel superior to others. Shelters us from uncomfortable truths about human nature and complex geo-politics. We're probably more similar than you think, I even noticed Macnamara and I have suggested the same pieces of work in the Suggestions sub-forum. We both read the works of Joseph Campbell, but we clash on whether covid is part of the global conspiracy or not. That's fine.

 

I think the fundamental difference between who I am now and who I was as a truther, is that now I am capable of viewing things differently without slotting them into pre-conceived ideas. I can see that America isn't 100% evil. They have done good things. And some of their bad things had good intentions. I can still also point to the very bad things as you all can. I can see that the U.K government isn't 100% evil. The Tories have raised taxes on second homes - that's not what Tories are meant to do! I used to think nation states were mere illusions too, the same hand controls both sides theory. What I am trying to say is that things are nuanced. People are feeding us a black & white picture of the world like we're children. When I was a believer before there was nothing anyone could have said to change my opinion. I was a fundamentalist in my beliefs. I decided to leave the fundamentalism to murderous cowards like ISIS.

 

For an idea of how the world really works, try taking at look at Adam Curtis' documentaries.

 

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