what are people going to do if they start using the Army to force a vax?

[itsnotallrightjack]

11 hours ago, rooey said:

surely not all stores and online delivery wont stop selling to people without a vaccine, there will be health food stores, farms and other places where people can get food from. They may not be able to go into the big chains, but that's a problem that can be worked around 

 

Of course- farmer's markets, Arabic supermarkets, small organic shops an d growing one's own in the garden or an allotment. 

[itsnotallrightjack]

On 12/4/2020 at 7:58 PM, Tom bombadil said:

 

On the contrary in the UK they are aiming at 'sustainable' as an outcome for all this climate nonsense.  The idea is to turn 'BACK' the clock and stop using fossil fuels and stop folk even traveling outside of a given area.

 

While at THE SAME TIME they are gonna build more nuclear power plants and invest heavily in battery tech.

 

In Wales at the moment (Wales being a poor UK country in its own right) they have a 'One Planet' policy that does just that.  It forces folk to produce produce sustainably!  So you can't build if it can't be done locally by local products.  You can't grow lest it be totally noted by a 'govenor' of sorts with books and logs to prove your abilities.  And upon your retirement in years to come your children have to prove it ALL OVER AGAIN....EVERY YEAR.  FUCK THAT.

 

That's what I was saying- the world powered by electricity and gas and fuel banned. Wind farms and solar panels are not fit for purpose for wide scale electricity supply in countries with temperate climates, so if they wanna power the world with electricity then it will have to be nuclear. There is nothing else that can generate it.

 

People will be allowed to travel- it will be on bicycles,  electric trains, electric buses and if one can afford it an electric car. I suppose the odd horse or two will be allowed also lol.

Edited December 6, 2020 by itsnotallrightjack

[magu]

it wont be forced this year or most of next....the backlash would be unmanageable....the forcing will start in hospitals care homes and prisons and other closed communities not subject to scrutiny.....the forcing that  will come much later and will occur in 'isolation camps' where people deemed to be anti vaxx will be taken as a matter of ''national security'' under rapidly and surreptitiously  drafted new laws possibly snuck in  on the back off something innocuous....you'll be given options of course....get vaxxed and we send you back to your family and friends or stay here indefinitely

[magu]

38 minutes ago, itsnotallrightjack said:

 

That's what I was saying- the world powered by electricity and gas and fuel banned. Wind farms and solar panels are not fit for purpose for wide scale electricity supply in countries with temperate climates, so if they wanna power the world with electricity then it will have to be nuclear. There is nothing else that can generate it.

 

People will be allowed to travel- it will be on bicycles,  electric trains, electric buses and if one can afford it an electric car. I suppose the odd horse or two will be allowed also lol.

One amazing growth industry during thee whole plandemic has been cycle lane painting....they have proliferated like rabbits not just in the UK but worldwide.....wouldn't you think that in the midst of a plague like the world has never seen before they would have more important things to think about than cycle lanes ?

[theo102]

On 12/6/2020 at 8:31 PM, zArk said:

To be fair, the system always recognises the rights you claim but it tries to exploit your right to abandon your rights and adopt a private agreement

In my experience that doesn't always happen, eg "I don't give a stuff about your natural rights". But you could argue that I should have impeached a false police witness before taking that position.

 

On 12/6/2020 at 8:31 PM, zArk said:

This makes up the majority of any questioning, investigation, request for info, demand to sign documents etc etc

 

There's no substitute for knowing what you're talking about.

[zArk]

10 hours ago, theo102 said:

In my experience that doesn't always happen, eg "I don't give a stuff about your natural rights". But you could argue that I should have impeached a false police witness before taking that position.

 

There's no substitute for knowing what you're talking about.

when it comes to court its all about the paperwork.

 

bill thornton 1215.org

and

karl lentz lay it all out

 

but for the thread title ... if the Army assume control position then its all over until the civil system kicks back in. Theres no common law, no civil law ... its all Military rule and the gun is mightier than the pen

[Tom bombadil]

21 hours ago, itsnotallrightjack said:

 

That's what I was saying- the world powered by electricity and gas and fuel banned. Wind farms and solar panels are not fit for purpose for wide scale electricity supply in countries with temperate climates, so if they wanna power the world with electricity then it will have to be nuclear. There is nothing else that can generate it.

 

People will be allowed to travel- it will be on bicycles,  electric trains, electric buses and if one can afford it an electric car. I suppose the odd horse or two will be allowed also lol.

 

I comprehend all you say.  There IS a do as I say and not as I do mentality with these people (in power) that can make it difficult to understand their motives by the layman.

 

But its been mentioned that some run and hide while others stay and fight (or endure) but there is another way that I think you don't aspire to, and that is just 'doing my own thing!'

 

Some CAN afford those panels (it's the batteries that are the expensive part ) and they do just fine.  When one takes society and tells it to "do one", then I at least find that loads of power is not required.  I'm not talking being a hermit but just doing it my way.

 

Let them go nuclear.  It won't effect me unless they stop making batteries or panels.  But then I'll just make my own turbine instead.  I will drive around in what I choose. Cameras on poles or inside parked vans will see either angle grinders or Molotov's.  I don't need to drive to the other side of the country (unless I do ) so only those in a small area need be destroyed.

 

That's all by the by.  It's when you say "people will be allowed..." that gets my goat lol.  I have been saying for years that I just want to go do my own thing and AT TIMES even I feel like I'm running away...but not anymore.  I am here to piss them off....all the way.  But I don't like big towns and cities anymore.  They are filling up fast with scum.  So it's the Styx for me.  Scum tend to stay away from work.

 

It's odd you suggest horses.  I studied local laws.  It's what you do in the Styx, and with horses EVERYONE KNOWS that you will find it very difficult to get planing consent for a stable.  UNLESS it's a working horse.  I just so happen to need one because even my flashy tractor finds it too narrow to go down into my little quarrey.  A horse however....there's always a way.

[itsnotallrightjack]

@Tom bombadil

 

 

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I comprehend all you say.  There IS a do as I say and not as I do mentality with these people (in power) that can make it difficult to understand their motives by the layman.

 

Exactly. Irritating patronising "celebrities" lecturing Joe Average on "climate change" when they are the ones taking private planes all over the world and living in enormous mansions which they heat 24/7. Hypocrites! 

 

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But its been mentioned that some run and hide while others stay and fight (or endure) but there is another way that I think you don't aspire to, and that is just 'doing my own thing!'

 

Oh I do Tom, I do. We should all do our thing and ignore as much of this idiotic nonsense as much as is possible ( you know--all that gender binary rubbish, wokery etc).

 

 

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Some CAN afford those panels (it's the batteries that are the expensive part  ) and they do just fine.  When one takes society and tells it to "do one", then I at least find that loads of power is not required.  I'm not talking being a hermit but just doing it my way.

 

Well most people can't though and that's a problem, and on  listed historical buildings they are not permitted. But if a man and his missus can afford to put them on their semi fair play to them. The government do need being told to "do one" in quite a few aspects! 

 

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Let them go nuclear.  It won't effect me unless they stop making batteries or panels.  But then I'll just make my own turbine instead.  I will drive around in what I choose. Cameras on poles or inside parked vans will see either angle grinders or Molotov's.  I don't need to drive to the other side of the country (unless I do  ) so only those in a small area need be destroyed.

 

 

Nuclear will have to happen whether we like it or not. I expect drivers will carry on with petrol cars until there are no more petrol stations. I can't say I've ever seen an electric car in my city, just an electric bus. Most of them are those hybrids though.  I've been on an electric bus a couple of times. Couldn't really tell any difference except it was quieter at the back due there being no engine. 

 

 

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That's all by the by.  It's when you say "people will be allowed..." that gets my goat lol.  I have been saying for years that I just want to go do my own thing and AT TIMES even I feel like I'm running away...but not anymore.  I am here to piss them off....all the way.  But I don't like big towns and cities anymore.  They are filling up fast with scum.  So it's the Styx for me.  Scum tend to stay away from work.

 

 

Well I find that annoying too. I should have put it in speech marks; meaning what the government wishes to impose upon folks. Good for you- stay and wind them up, troll them. That's what they need: a good trolling. I'm not a huge fan of cities either; my grandparents and their ancestors were country farming folk. If I win the lotto I'll move to a village!

 

 

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It's odd you suggest horses.  I studied local laws.  It's what you do in the Styx, and with horses EVERYONE KNOWS that you will find it very difficult to get planing consent for a stable.  UNLESS it's a working horse.  I just so happen to need one because even my flashy tractor finds it too narrow to go down into my little quarrey.  A horse however....there's always a way.

 

Well I was kind of making a joke because horses in the 19th century caused a lot of mess with the way they left huge turds everywhere, so large numbers of horses wouldn't be a good thing really. Often farm ploughs were moved by oxen rather than horses. 

 

Incidentally I've had a ride in a horse drawn cart a few years ago and I was surprised how smooth it was. I expected it to be very bumpy.

Edited December 7, 2020 by itsnotallrightjack

[HistoryIsComplex]

On 12/7/2020 at 3:15 AM, magu said:

it wont be forced this year or most of next....the backlash would be unmanageable....the forcing will start in hospitals care homes and prisons and other closed communities not subject to scrutiny.....the forcing that  will come much later and will occur in 'isolation camps' where people deemed to be anti vaxx will be taken as a matter of ''national security'' under rapidly and surreptitiously  drafted new laws possibly snuck in  on the back off something innocuous....you'll be given options of course....get vaxxed and we send you back to your family and friends or stay here indefinitely

 

Forced Vax would likely COMPLETELY DESTROY trust in the ESTABLISHMENT.

 

1) First they failed to close down borders, airports, seaports with a SARS virus on the loose. Countries around the world failed to do this.

2) Then the situation they created with this FAILURE TO ACT resulted in FORCED VAX for everyone.

3) Everybody with HALF A BRAIN is wondering how a VACCINE DEVELOPED IN RECORD TIME can possibly be SAFE TO USE.

 

 

 

[Itsjaybigjay]

20 hours ago, Tom bombadil said:

Let them go nuclear.  It won't effect me unless they stop making batteries or panels.  But then I'll just make my own turbine instead.  I will drive around in what I choose. Cameras on poles or inside parked vans will see either angle grinders or Molotov's.  I don't need to drive to the other side of the country (unless I do ) so only those in a small area need be destroyed.

That's the spirit Tom and my attitude to tyranny. They can do as they like provided they leave me alone and don't impede on my lifestyle, the moment they do, well they are going to be in for a whole heap of hurt. they may take me down eventually but i can guarantee there losses will be grater first.

[magu]

It'll be much easier to generate power for the needs of 20 million than 65 million through renewables.....and they dont need to build any new nuclear....they can import from frances excess capacity as they have been doing for years and years.....edf have been loudly screaming for a long time about how all their electricity comes from renewable sources.....what they dont say is its coming from nuclear and is imported from France

[magu]

what is really puzzling me is that here at least a huge percentage of people know that its all a fake ,that the WEF and various other alphabetti agencies are actually putting a a worldwide set of events together for a pre determined outcome...many people over the months have posted enough evidence to blow out of the water anything the government states as fact......and heres the puzzling part....nobody is talking about how its going to be stopped...there are a few posts as in 'fend for yourself' but that doesn't quite explain peoples reticence to discuss exactly how they see it ending....has the brainwashing been so complete that its too big a question for mere mortals to contemplate ?....are they expecting celestial angels/superheros/somebody else to come along and ''make it allright again'' ...im truly baffled.....no one seems to be looking ahead more than today

 

Is it all just another space filler for people to keep on posting endlessly about pcr tests ? does it help them and does it help others ? and please dont tell me there might be someone who doesnt know...its too late for that in the UK ...the vaccinations have already started

 

Most people are aware of the worldwide situation who are regulars here however i do see some disconnect because people of the USA are having a different but almost the same as the people of Canada who are having ....you get my drift

 

Maybe i ought to start a thread with the question..''how do you see yourself in the post vaccination world'' ?

[Itsjaybigjay]

19 hours ago, magu said:

what is really puzzling me is that here at least a huge percentage of people know that its all a fake ,that the WEF and various other alphabetti agencies are actually putting a a worldwide set of events together for a pre determined outcome...many people over the months have posted enough evidence to blow out of the water anything the government states as fact......and heres the puzzling part....nobody is talking about how its going to be stopped...there are a few posts as in 'fend for yourself' but that doesn't quite explain peoples reticence to discuss exactly how they see it ending....has the brainwashing been so complete that its too big a question for mere mortals to contemplate ?....are they expecting celestial angels/superheros/somebody else to come along and ''make it allright again'' ...im truly baffled.....no one seems to be looking ahead more than today

 

Is it all just another space filler for people to keep on posting endlessly about pcr tests ? does it help them and does it help others ? and please dont tell me there might be someone who doesnt know...its too late for that in the UK ...the vaccinations have already started

 

Most people are aware of the worldwide situation who are regulars here however i do see some disconnect because people of the USA are having a different but almost the same as the people of Canada who are having ....you get my drift

 

Maybe i ought to start a thread with the question..''how do you see yourself in the post vaccination world'' ?

Unfortunately people in general don't have the stomach for what needs to be done to put a stop to this. while they have crap on tv to watch and food in there bellies they are content to just spew bile on forums like this, for us who are ready to do what is necessary the time for action isn't now its when those bellies are empty and there contentment has gone.

[karmaxxxx]

On 10/1/2020 at 2:32 AM, theo102 said:

 

British armed forces attest allegiance by oath or affirmation. Attestation by oath implies recognition of natural rights, and these rights are unaffected by legislation of human government. The coronation oath also implies recognition of natural rights, so their attestation by affirmation has the same effect because of the allegiance to the armed forces sovereign.

 

"Those rights then which God and nature have established, and are therefore called natural rights, such as are life and liberty, need not the aid of human laws to be more effectually invested in every man than they are; neither do they receive any additional strength when declared by the municipal laws to be inviolable. On the contrary, no human legislature has power to abridge or destroy them, unless the owner shall himself commit some act that amounts to a forfeiture." ~ Blackstone.

 

yes you are totally correct in your observations, plus do they really want to be up for crimes against humanity i honestly do not think so

[screamingeagle]

4 minutes ago, karmaxxxx said:

yes you are totally correct in your observations, plus do they really want to be up for crimes against humanity i honestly do not think so

you might want to watch this

 

 

 

imo it's all media propaganda to push people in fear state so they take vacine voluntary and to lay foundation in human mind that a mandatory vacinatin is coming in the future.....

 

social programing and predictive programing at work....

[theo102]

On 12/8/2020 at 8:31 AM, zArk said:

Theres no common law, no civil law ... its all Military rule and the gun is mightier than the pen

The ethics of empire - the gun doesn't care about consequences.

 

[TechGeekDee]

I can't see that happening - far more likely to isolate you in ways that will make your life difficult.....seeing family, restrictions on social activities, travel, job (use employers to enforce) etc

[Free_your_mind]

On 12/8/2020 at 5:20 PM, HistoryIsComplex said:

 

Forced Vax would likely COMPLETELY DESTROY trust in the ESTABLISHMENT.

 

1) First they failed to close down borders, airports, seaports with a SARS virus on the loose. Countries around the world failed to do this.

2) Then the situation they created with this FAILURE TO ACT resulted in FORCED VAX for everyone.

3) Everybody with HALF A BRAIN is wondering how a VACCINE DEVELOPED IN RECORD TIME can possibly be SAFE TO USE.

 

 

 

It was developed quickly because there was a global effort to put all available resources into developing a vaccine. Manufacturers did the clinical trials differently for this vaccine. Normally the 3 clinical trials occur one after the other. The next one does not start until the data is collected and reviewed from the first previous one. Often a vaccine will get through stage 1 and proceed no further because the data isn't what was anticipated.

 

For the covid-19 vaccine, they staggered the trials, so they began the next trial before the previous trial had finished. So they overlapped which allowed them to massively reduce the time it normally takes. Data was collected and reviewed throughout as it normally is. It wasn't 'rushed'. The compressed time has no relationship to safety concerns as all safety checks and all data has been reviewed as it normally would.

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

1 hour ago, Free_your_mind said:

 It wasn't 'rushed'.  

The compressed time has no relationship to safety concerns as all safety checks and all data has been reviewed as it normally would

Nope. 

. 

"lt's a risky gamble that will save thousands of lives if it pans out but might risk the health of its brave volunteers if it doesn't. The gamble also doesn't seem to conform to accepted medical ethics.

The urgent need to get into production a vaccine against the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) that causes COVID-19 has convinced doctors to proceed to human trials of this candidate vaccine without first completing animal trials, as is the usual procedure in multi-step clinical trials."

 

https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-update-vaccine-skips-important-animal-testing-phase-straight-human-trials-2941208 

 

[Free_your_mind]

16 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

Nope. 

. 

"lt's a risky gamble that will save thousands of lives if it pans out but might risk the health of its brave volunteers if it doesn't. The gamble also doesn't seem to conform to accepted medical ethics.

The urgent need to get into production a vaccine against the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) that causes COVID-19 has convinced doctors to proceed to human trials of this candidate vaccine without first completing animal trials, as is the usual procedure in multi-step clinical trials."

 

https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-update-vaccine-skips-important-animal-testing-phase-straight-human-trials-2941208 

 

The brave volunteers referred to here are the trial volunteers, right? Well, yes, they are brave because there is inherent risk going into a trail for a new vaccine. As I have mentioned, the vaccine was designed on existing models, so the risk was low. But they signed the consent form and agreed to go ahead. They are heroes and they have saved tens of thousands of lives. But, the risk doesn't get passed onto the general population, does it? As the data has been received and has been reviewed.

 

Animals trials, now that's an interesting debate. Computer modelling has come a long way in the last 10 years to replace animals as much as possible in the future. Which I think we can agree on is a good thing. It is normally the usual step to use animals before humans, but there is an effort to reduce the animal testing to the bare minimum. So in the future, we may see less and less of it as the modelling systems improve. 

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

8 minutes ago, Free_your_mind said:

The brave volunteers referred to here are the trial volunteers, right? Well, yes, they are brave because there is inherent risk going into a trail for a new vaccine. As I have mentioned, the vaccine was designed on existing models, so the risk was low. But they signed the consent form and agreed to go ahead. They are heroes and they have saved tens of thousands of lives. But, the risk doesn't get passed onto the general population, does it? As the data has been received and has been reviewed.

 

Animals trials, now that's an interesting debate. Computer modelling has come a long way in the last 10 years to replace animals as much as possible in the future. Which I think we can agree on is a good thing. It is normally the usual step to use animals before humans, but there is an effort to reduce the animal testing to the bare minimum. So in the future, we may see less and less of it as the modelling systems improve. 

 

My point is... It has been rushed, by doing things differently and skipping normal procedures. 

(animal testing ethics is a whole different discussion) 

BTW... I don't see these volunteers as 'heroes'. 

[Steph]

Is it informed consent? The man who discovers he's on a minefield by blowing his leg off is not brave but unlucky. The man who goes to rescue him  aware he could get his leg blown off, that's bravery.

[Tom bombadil]

53 minutes ago, Free_your_mind said:

The brave volunteers referred to here are the trial volunteers, right? Well, yes, they are brave because there is inherent risk going into a trail for a new vaccine. As I have mentioned, the vaccine was designed on existing models, so the risk was low. But they signed the consent form and agreed to go ahead. They are heroes and they have saved tens of thousands of lives. But, the risk doesn't get passed onto the general population, does it? As the data has been received and has been reviewed.

 

Animals trials, now that's an interesting debate. Computer modelling has come a long way in the last 10 years to replace animals as much as possible in the future. Which I think we can agree on is a good thing. It is normally the usual step to use animals before humans, but there is an effort to reduce the animal testing to the bare minimum. So in the future, we may see less and less of it as the modelling systems improve. 

 

 

Maybe the Computer Modeling will improve to the point of getting their sums correct at the start of all this.

 

All the mathamatics was wrong.  Garbage in garbage out.

 

Lets explain how this REALLY works.  The gov put out to the fastest producer the idea that if you isolate a virus and produce a vaccine for it, then you win the deal of a lifetime.  No one has EVER isolated the virus so how can anyone possibly produce a vaccine for it?

 

Utter tosh.  And the idiots suposedly taking the vaccine are in my opinion up for the Darwin Awards.  Brain dead twats.

[Free_your_mind]

7 hours ago, Tom bombadil said:

 

 

Maybe the Computer Modeling will improve to the point of getting their sums correct at the start of all this.

 

All the mathamatics was wrong.  Garbage in garbage out.

 

Lets explain how this REALLY works.  The gov put out to the fastest producer the idea that if you isolate a virus and produce a vaccine for it, then you win the deal of a lifetime.  No one has EVER isolated the virus so how can anyone possibly produce a vaccine for it?

 

Utter tosh.  And the idiots suposedly taking the vaccine are in my opinion up for the Darwin Awards.  Brain dead twats.

In the fairness of balance, I need to point out some errors in your argument.

 

1. All mathematics are wrong. What do you mean? They have literally got their times table wrong. These are experts in their field. And if they got maths wrong, why haven't they been corrected?

2. Garbage in garbage out. This compounds the first error. Based on a false presupposition.

3. And you know HOW it really works, do you? Do you even know anyone who is involved in the actual work? How do you know how it works. Let me guess, you've listened to someone else tell you. Been there, done that. Much prefer thinking for myself and drawing my own conclusions from my own mind. I no longer have to fit everything into someone else's world view. 

4. No one has ever isolated a virus. Okay, I need to know what you mean here. This reminds me of certain 'key points' of information that get picked up from another source and repeated time and time again, without spending a second to double check what they are saying. I've seen viruses under a microscope. There's pictures of them everywhere. They're been handled (in a sense of the word) and studied, even modified. Please explain what you mean. And check the replies of some of the other posters that seem very knowledgeable on vaccine safety. They haven't mentioned this nonsense of you can't isolate a virus. So why are you?

5. And you have the nerve to insult other people's intelligence without meeting them. 

 

When the vaccine comes and ends this pandemic. And we don't find ourselves in a police state, and we have our freedoms back. It's time to reassess some of these beliefs.

 

Please stick to the real issues. Elitism in society, Panama papers, illegal wars, propaganda, Russian interence in democracy, the threat of China, rise of populism and authoritarian leaders, the erosion of truth, grefell, windrush scandal, the class system, the gig economy, unregulated capitalism, risk of communism, who killed Tupac.

 

So many real issues.

 

[Macnamara]

5 hours ago, Free_your_mind said:

2. Garbage in garbage out. This compounds the first error. Based on a false presupposition.

3. And you know HOW it really works, do you? Do you even know anyone who is involved in the actual work? How do you know how it works.

Computer code for Prof Lockdown's model which predicted 500,000 would die from Covid-19 and inspired Britain's 'Stay Home' plan is a 'mess which would get you fired in private industry' say data experts

• Professor Neil Ferguson's Imperial College London coding branded 'unreliable'
• University of Edinburgh scientists ran the same model and had different results 
• Model was criticised early on by University of Oxford and public health expert
• Prof Ferguson left the government's Sage group after breaking lockdown rules  
• Here’s how to help people impacted by Covid-19

By Vanessa Chalmers Health Reporter For Mailonline and Luke May

Published: 09:24, 17 May 2020 | Updated: 16:49, 17 May 2020

Scientists have levelled a flurry of criticism against Professor Neil Ferguson's modelling which warned 500,000 people could die from coronavirus and prompted Britain to go into lockdown.

Modelling from Imperial College London epidemiologist Professor Ferguson, who stepped down from the government's Sage group at the start of May, has been described as 'totally unreliable' by other experts.

The coding that produced the sobering death figures was impossible to read, and therefore cast doubts on its strength, The Telegraph reported. It is also some 13 years old, it said.

When other scientists have tried to replicate the findings using the same model, they have repeatedly failed to do.

Prof Ferguson's model is understood to have single-handedly triggered a dramatic change in the Government's handling of the outbreak, as they moved away from herd immunity to a lockdown. 

Competing scientists' research - whose models produced vastly different results - has been largely discarded, they claim. 

David Richards, co-founder of British data technology company WANdisco said the model was a 'buggy mess that looks more like a bowl of angel hair pasta than a finely tuned piece of programming'. 

He said: 'In our commercial reality we would fire anyone for developing code like this and any business that relied on it to produce software for sale would likely go bust.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8327641/Coronavirus-modelling-Professor-Neil-Ferguson-branded-mess-experts.html

  

5 hours ago, Free_your_mind said:

Please stick to the real issues.

 

you are not informed enough as an individual to be dictating to people what the real issues are. You would benefit greatly from winding your neck in and listening more

Edited December 15, 2020 by Macnamara