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''Jewish power is the ability to stop people talking about jewish power'' - Gilad Atzmon (ex-jew)

 

Just to clarify the conspiracy i'm talking about is one being masterminded by dark occultist SABBATEANS who historically were treated as heretics by jews however their power has grown and they are in the driving seat of zionism as well as corporate socialism as kanye west is proving at the expense of his own personal wealth....

ADL Orders Global Advertiser Boycott to Destroy Elon Musk's Twitter For Not Censoring Kanye West

Chris Menahan
InformationLiberation
Nov. 04, 2022

The Anti-Defamation League, the leading pro-Israel lobbying group in America, ordered a global advertiser boycott of Elon Musk's Twitter on Friday for not doing enough to censor Kanye "Ye" West and other critics of their power.
 

Today, we are joining dozens of other groups to ask advertisers to pause Twitter spending because we are profoundly concerned about antisemitism and hate on the platform. Here's why we're asking advertisers to #StopHateForProfit and #StopToxicTwitter🧵https://t.co/a83e2eTFwz

— ADL (@ADL) November 4, 2022

 

This past Tuesday, @Twitter’s new owner @elonmusk met with representatives from U.S civil society organizations, including @JGreenblattADL and @YaelEisenstat. Following that meeting, Musk pledged that "Twitter will continue to combat hate & harassment," including antisemitism.

— ADL (@ADL) November 4, 2022

 

Since that meeting, Musk permitted @kanyewest to start posting again. From Ye's "Death Con 3" tweet to @KyrieIrving promoting an antisemitic film, we've seen celebrities use Twitter to disseminate antisemitic conspiracy theories and hate to tens of millions of followers. pic.twitter.com/a173oYWFcv

— ADL (@ADL) November 4, 2022

 

When Adam Green, an antisemitic podcaster with over 28,000 followers, shared a tweet describing Judaism with terms like 'savage,' 'evil,' and 'wicked,' Twitter declined to remove it after being alerted to it by ADL, saying that it did not violate its community guidelines.

— ADL (@ADL) November 4, 2022

 

This is the tweet they're citing. Quotes from the most famous j-wish atheists in the world.https://t.co/jR0Ms5pkGi

— Adam Green - Know More News 🛡️ (@Know_More_News) November 4, 2022

 

Twitter has been one of the primary places for disseminating the Boston Mapping Project, which called on activists to 'dismantle' Jewish community institutions and a wide array of essential Jewish community groups because they support Israel.

— ADL (@ADL) November 4, 2022

 

Musk has also conducted massive layoffs, gutting staff that supported combating antisemitism and hate on Twitter. Until Musk makes real changes to #stophateforprofit, we urge advertisers to #StopToxicTwitter by pausing their advertising on the platform globally.

— ADL (@ADL) November 4, 2022


Pfizer, whose CEO Albert Bourla is headlining the ADL's "Never Is Now" event in New York City next week -- which they describe as the "world's largest annual summit on antisemitism" -- was one of the first to pull all ads from Twitter on Thursday.
 

JUST IN - Pfizer pauses ads on Twitter after Elon Musk takeover — WSJ

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) November 3, 2022



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(Note, corrupt FBI Director Chris Wray is also going to be at the event.)

Pfizer was handed billions of taxpayer dollars for their forced vaccinations and they're now using our money to shut down free speech.

As I previously reported, the ADL also received up to $10 million in taxpayer Paycheck Protection Program bailout funds during the covid scare -- which they're using to shut down our First Amendment rights.

 

ADL Received Up to $10M in PPP Bailout Funds Despite Reporting Over $92M in Net Assets #PPPGate https://t.co/puj8l9Vfis

— Chris Menahan 🇺🇸 (@infolibnews) July 7, 2020

 

Advertisers should support:

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 2, 2022


"Twitter has had a massive drop in revenue, due to activist groups pressuring advertisers, even though nothing has changed with content moderation and we did everything we could to appease the activists," Elon Musk lamented on Friday. "Extremely messed up! They're trying to destroy free speech in America."
 

Twitter has had a massive drop in revenue, due to activist groups pressuring advertisers, even though nothing has changed with content moderation and we did everything we could to appease the activists.

Extremely messed up! They’re trying to destroy free speech in America.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 4, 2022


After Ian Miles Cheong told him, "It's time to stop appeasing the activists because they will stop at nothing to hurt Twitter regardless of what you do," Musk responded, "You're right."
 

You’re right

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 4, 2022

 

That assessment is more accurate than most people realize

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 4, 2022


Incidentally, this was one of the top responses I saw on Musk's tweet:
 

Big lesson: don’t appease the “activists” pic.twitter.com/nuvrqUsrxI

— Christ is Lord (@BasedTitus70AD) November 4, 2022


Though Musk is doing a lot to keep the previous censorship regime in place, the Berlin Wall Twitter had in place to censor everything before it's allowed to trend appears to have come down.

The ADL is in total panic mode and they're working with the FBI to hype fake threats against them.

Gab CEO Andrew Torba warned on Thursday that the ADL/FBI may soon stage a false flag attack to bolster their "victimhood narrative."

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With the midterms coming up on Nov 8th there's huge incentive for the feds to stage an attack just like they did with the Michigan Gov. Whitmer "kidnapping plot" right before the 2020 presidential election.

Don't fall for it.

Everyone should be allowed to have a voice and every group should be allowed to be criticized. No one should be subject to any violence.

Ye has stated unequivocally he believes in nonviolence and his only goal is to free his people and defend himself from the onslaught he's facing from hate groups like the ADL who want to silence his voice.

https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=63445

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It's very strange situation of perhaps kettle and the  pot 

I just heard on y/t for example video of Doreen Dotan

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Kabbalah secrets revealed an expose 2/2

Here she is suggesting we are created by them  and their language !

I don't know what authority she speaks with ? But it is very odd and disconcerting!

I've read bit of Carlos Suares cipher of genesis and never found this suggestion ,on contrary more shamanic like with parallels with ogam runes etc 

Eg he ciphers Elohim as

"The unknowable power or energy (Aleph) transmitted into & through the organic movement (Lammed) of life(Hay)   plays out the game with its own projection (Yod) in existence as "the waters (Mem) of the biosphere.""

 

But instead 

So she is suggesting they/  are above what they create ie rest of humanity  so such a belief  of Doreen Dotan interpretation is very devisive and I think misguided.

 

Not sure when these ideas started up or how many believe this or if it was Sabbatian Frankism or even (adopted) from Babylon  originally ? Or even further back  elite groups.

 

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16 hours ago, Macnamara said:

''Jewish power is the ability to stop people talking about jewish power'' - Gilad Atzmon (ex-jew)

 

Just to clarify the conspiracy i'm talking about is one being masterminded by dark occultist SABBATEANS who historically were treated as heretics by jews however their power has grown and they are in the driving seat of zionism as well as corporate socialism as kanye west is proving at the expense of his own personal wealth....

Kanye Shares Texts Allegedly Showing His Trainer Told Him to Apologize to Jewish People Or Be Forcibly Institutionalized

Chris Menahan
InformationLiberation
Nov. 03, 2022

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kanye-ye-west-harley-pasternak-threatens-to-have-him-lobotomized.jpgKanye "Ye" West on Thursday returned to Twitter and shared scandalous texts purportedly from his Jewish trainer Harley Pasternak telling him to "please apologize to my people" or else he'll have him "institutionalized again where they medicate the crap out of you, and you go back to Zombieland forever."

Ye said during his now-censored interview on Drink Champs last month that Pasternak first put out the narrative that he was crazy when he was hospitalized for exhaustion in 2016.

"They put the 'crazy' narrative out there, my Jewish trainer, Harley Pasternak, who's Lizzo's trainer, put it out when I went to the hospital, put it in the press," Ye said. "I got a bunch of friends that went to the hospital -- it didn't go to the press."

"I would do anything, anything, if you could please apologize to my people," Pasternak allegedly told Ye in a text that Ye shared on Thursday.

"I'm going to help you one of a couple ways," he continued. "First, you and I sit down and have an loving and open conversation, but you don't use cuss words, and everything that is discussed is based in fact, and not some crazy stuff that dumb friend of yours told you, or you saw in a tweet."

"Second option, I have you institutionalized again where they medicate the crap out of you and you go back to Zombieland forever. Play date with the kids just won't be the same."

read on here https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=63442

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2 hours ago, Talorgan said:

It's very strange situation of perhaps kettle and the  pot 

I just heard on y/t for example video of Doreen Dotan

talk

Kabbalah secrets revealed an expose 2/2

Here she is suggesting we are created by them  and their language !

I don't know what authority she speaks with ? But it is very odd and disconcerting!

I've read bit of Carlos Suares cipher of genesis and never found this suggestion ,on contrary more shamanic like with parallels with ogam runes etc 

Eg he ciphers Elohim as

"The unknowable power or energy (Aleph) transmitted into & through the organic movement (Lammed) of life(Hay)   plays out the game with its own projection (Yod) in existence as "the waters (Mem) of the biosphere.""

 

But instead 

So she is suggesting they/  are above what they create ie rest of humanity  so such a belief  of Doreen Dotan interpretation is very devisive and I think misguided.

 

Not sure when these ideas started up or how many believe this or if it was Sabbatian Frankism or even (adopted) from Babylon  originally ? Or even further back  elite groups.

 

 

sabbatean frankism is based on a particular form of kabbalist though formed by isaac luria which was henceforth known as 'lurianic kabbalah'. It is a supremacist doctrine that believes that the destiny of its adherents is to rule over the rest of humanity through a dynamic of master and slave. They would apply the noahide laws and behead anyone who broke those laws.

 

Chabad Lubavitch are also lurianic kabbalists

 

With the kabbalah there is a dark flipside to the tree of life known as the qliphotic realm or realm of shells and that is what dark occultists work with. I suggest that the people at the top of this conspiracy are sabbatean supremacists and that beneath them in the control pyramid are layers of 'satanists' who have varying degrees of insight into the higher levels of the compartmentalised pyramid of control

 

For an analogy lets consider politics and how the democrat party doesn't really say out load what its true end goal is which is the complete dissolution of the united states of america so that it can fall under the globalised control of the sabbatean technocrats. If they did say that then they would lose the vote of many of their rank and file voters who don't really understand what it is they are signing up for, for example they may have vague notions that by voting democrat they are against 'racism' or 'misogeny' and things like that which are hot button issues that the democrats use to conceal their true agenda. So they never really set out their stall to their voters and that just goes to show that they themselves don't believe they would retain all those voters if they did. But their support will be full of neo-marxists of varying degrees of understanding about the extent of the real agenda behind it all

 

So it is with the occult side of the conspiracy. There will be many garden variety satanists who simply ascribe to the 4 pillars of satanism but don't realise that they are actually supporting a sabbatean supremacist agenda

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Yes and  psychophathic types attracted to the power structures built up within their system.

Possibly their rituals channel Quiphoth realm  which makes it worse lacking consciousness

and all symbolism public exposed to .

According to David Livingstone Luria's ideas transmitted to Rosicrucins and generally Europe philosophy via Jacob Boehme by Balthazar Walther from follows of Isaac Luria in  Safed ,Palistine

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According to David Livingstone Luria's ideas transmitted to Rosicrucins and generally Europe philosophy via Jacob Boehme by Balthazar Walther from follows of Isaac Luria in  Safed Palistian 

 

So what we see happening is various occult orders popping up across europe and we also see the rise of the 'rothschild' family who gave themselves that name

 

They were part of a community of 'jews' in the frankfurt ghetto along with the likes of the warburgs, schiffs, harrimans, kuhn and loebs and rockefellers etc and they all helped each others business interests to raise each other up. They created oil companies and banks and their banks then formed cartels that in collusion with corrupt governments became 'central banks'.

 

Mayer amschell rothschild had 5 sons and sent them each to the five major cities of europe to open new branches of the rothschild bank in those countries and of course they all colluded throughout european history regardless of what their host nations were doing for example going to war. They would fund both sides in conflicts.

 

The rothschilds bankrolled jacob frank who had 50,000 sabbatean followers in poland alone. They created the state of israel.

 

They also bankrolled adam weishaupt who created the bavarian branch of the illuminati which was involved in the french revolution by fomenting the jacobin uprising and by funding key groups and people much like george soros funds colour revolutions today and trains up activists to carry through the plans on the ground.

 

There may have been problems with the monarchy in france but the point is that the dark illuminati didn't overthrow them to make the world a better place. They overthrew them to remove barriers to their total control through a globalised world government. Karl marx is a relative of the rothschilds and communism is their vehicle to help bring about that world government through the dissolution of monarchies and governments to pave the way to world government under rothschild-cabal control

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Including  Roundtable groups ,  later Council Foreign Relations Royal institute of international affairs ,  other institutes of international affairs/Chatham House , Trilateral commission, Club of Rome,, UN, common purpose

WHO,WEF etc

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Including  Roundtable groups ,  later Council Foreign Relations Royal institute of international affairs ,  other institutes of international affairs/Chatham House , Trilateral commission, Club of Rome,, UN, common purpose

WHO,WEF etc

Or all those private organisations which run  people's lives with plans decades and longer in advance but are not elected by the population.

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Including  Roundtable groups ,  later Council Foreign Relations Royal institute of international affairs ,  other institutes of international affairs/Chatham House , Trilateral commission, Club of Rome,, UN, common purpose

WHO,WEF etc

 

the rothschilds bankrolled cecil rhodes who left his fortune, in his will, to be used to form a secret society which is effectively the roundtable group that became known as the 'milner groupd'. That group then created the think tanks you mention above. Chatham house is the british version of the council on foreign relations of which david rockefeller was the chairman. I think the club of rome held its first meeting in the italian villa of david rockefeller and his family also donated the land in new york for the UN to build their HQ on. David Rockefeller created the trilateral commission with zbigneu bzrezinski who wrote about the 'technotronic era' or what we would call the technocracy.

 

Bilderburg meetings are said to operate under 'chatham house rules' which is to say that attendees must agree not to divulge anything that is said in those meetings. The world economic forum is just another tentacle of this same creature. There was a piece in the grayzone recently about how british deep state figures have been creating a clandestine army in ukraine but i would argue that has been going on for a long time with the creation of 'operation gladio' stay behind armies after world war 2 which were tasked with combatting the spread of the soviet union and which were involved in false flag terror attacks designed to justify the expansion of government powers.

 

The logo of the gladio units shares the same winged sword that the special air service use:

operation-gladio.jpg?fit=780,392&ssl=1

 

 

shami_1.jpg

 

NATO's secret armies documentary:

 

 

 

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On 11/6/2022 at 10:34 AM, Macnamara said:

I suggest that the people at the top of this conspiracy are sabbatean supremacists and that beneath them in the control pyramid are layers of 'satanists'

 

I suggest there are others above them.

 

The 'Satanists' are deluded and the Jews were given their magic by others, older and more powerful than them.

 

It practically says so in the Bible and in their own history.

 

The Jews were 'given' Judaism while in captivity in Babylon - right? That much is known history and attested to by the Jews themselves.

 

So the question your not asking Mac - is WHO gave it to them?

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I suggest there are others above them.

 

The 'Satanists' are deluded and the Jews were given their magic by others, older and more powerful than them.

 

It practically says so in the Bible and in their own history.

 

The Jews were 'given' Judaism while in captivity in Babylon - right? That much is known history and attested to by the Jews themselves.

 

So the question your not asking Mac - is WHO gave it to them?

 

i'm talking about sabbateanism not jews per se. Sabbateanism has been a heretical sub-group within judaism that many jews have opposed.

 

sabbateanism deliberately sets out to pervert and subvert morals. An interesting thing to look into relating to this is 'antinomianism'

 

This current is passed down within families but there will also be people who have the necessary traits who are drawn into it and those people become satanists.

 

some people might say 'but sabbateanism only dates back to the 1600's when sabbateai zevi declared himself the messiah' but antinomianism pre-dates zevi. It will have existed for as long as psychopaths have existed

 

what we see with zevi and then frank and his bankers, the rothschilds is a high degree of ORGANISATION and shared PURPOSE towards a common goal

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On 11/9/2022 at 8:31 PM, Macnamara said:

 

i'm talking about sabbateanism not jews per se. Sabbateanism has been a heretical sub-group within judaism that many jews have opposed.

 

sabbateanism deliberately sets out to pervert and subvert morals. An interesting thing to look into relating to this is 'antinomianism'

 

This current is passed down within families but there will also be people who have the necessary traits who are drawn into it and those people become satanists.

 

some people might say 'but sabbateanism only dates back to the 1600's when sabbateai zevi declared himself the messiah' but antinomianism pre-dates zevi. It will have existed for as long as psychopaths have existed

 

what we see with zevi and then frank and his bankers, the rothschilds is a high degree of ORGANISATION and shared PURPOSE towards a common goal

 

an interesting piece supporting some of the points i've made:

Being Frank? Discovering My Frankist Roots

Jaan Kaplinski

I was born in Estonia of an Estonian mother and a Polish father. As for my father, Jerzy, I really never met him: He was arrested when I was six months old and later perished in a gulag labor camp. I grew up as an Estonian without knowing much of my father. I suppose even my mother didn’t know he had had Jewish ancestors. Much later I was told by an older friend of mine, a professor of Old Testament theology, that the family name Kaplinski was most probably Jewish. He said Kaplinskis were Jews living on church-owned lands in Poland. He was only partly right: Most, if not all Kaplinskis, like Kaplins, Kaplans, Kaplanskis, and Kaplens are originally Cohens, members of the extended priestly family. But this is something I found out much later, as a middle-aged man. I’m sure my father knew much about his ancestors; he was even fluent in Yiddish, but he was wise enough not to talk about it in the 1930s. Still, there had been rumors about him being a Jew; at least once he was attacked in the street by some nationalist thugs, and one of his acquaintances had called me this “Jewish boy.”

I was somewhat puzzled by what the professor had told me about my family name, but didn’t care too much about it. I studied linguistics and tried to learn some Arabic and Hebrew. And purely by chance, I bought a book from an elderly man liquidating his mostly esoteric-theosophic library. This was Erotik der Kabbala by the once well-known author Jiři Langer, a friend of Franz Kafka. There I read for the first time about Jacob Frank and his sect. Like most of what is written about Frank and the Frankists, Langer’s book is somewhat biased. For him, Frank’s understanding of the Kabala was erroneous and he misled his followers. Like most writers, Langer too pays a lot of attention to the orgiastic rites of the Frankists, interpreting them as the practice of free group sex, no different from similar practices of the twentieth-century hippies and other ancient and modern adepts of free love. Here, I cannot completely agree. But on this topic, a bit later.

In the late 1990s I was given a book in Polish about my great-granduncle, Polish painter and emigrant political activist Leon Kapliński, where I found out that our family had really been Frankist, like many other families of Polish intellectuals. And during a visit to the United States in 1999 I was able to spend some time in the libraries at Stanford and Columbia universities. It was there that I found that our family was quite closely connected with Jacob Frank himself. I have strong reasons to believe that our direct ancestors were the father-in-law and brother-in-law of Frank—the rabbi Toviah Cohen from Nikopol, in present-day Bulgaria, and his son Jacob, brother of Hannah, Frank’s wife. Here, I have a different view from that of the man I consider to be the most competent contemporary scholar in the field of Frankism—the Polish researcher Jan Doktór. In his opinion, Jacob Kapliński was the husband of Frank’s sister, a Sabbatean erudite, Yehuda Levy Tova.[1]  I have no information indicating that a Levy descendant could have had the family name Kaplinski. And in a Polish bookit is written that Frank married a woman from the priestly family of Aharon.[2]  But here, I haven’t been able to find out as much as I would have wished. I have no close relatives in Poland, and even nowadays, people do not want to speak or even to know about their Frankist ancestors. And sometimes they are harshly reminded of them, as happened in the 1930s to my distant relative Tadeusz Żeleński (whose pen name was Boy), a translator and controversial publicist. A critic found “ghetto spirit” in Boy’s writings, although his ancestors had converted nearly two hundred years before. And the question of the renowned Polish poet Adam Mickiewicz’s possible Frankist background is still largely taboo. My great-great-grandmother’s maiden name was Magdalena Brzezińska. I once wrote to Zbigniew Brzeziński, whom I had met earlier, asking whether we might be related; he answered that he didn’t know much about his ancestors, who had probably come from somewhere in Volhynia… Our family archives went up in flames during the war, and thus I know little about my distant ancestors, except the fact that my grandfather’s great-grandfather, Eliasz Adam Kapliński, tried to organize a Frankist congress in Karlsbad in 1823.[3]

Although, as I have written above, I grew up without any knowledge of my ancestors’ ideas and doings and with a very vague idea of Judaism, even without knowing it I had some contact with ideas possibly born under the influence of Frankism and Sabbateanism. As a student of linguistics, I discovered the philosophical works of Fritz Mauthner, who invented the expression “critique of language,” which was later developed by Wittgenstein and other philosophers. Much later I discovered that Mauthner’s grandfather had served in Frank’s court in Offenbach, and that there had been some relics—including a portrait of Eva Frank, Jacob’s daughter—in the possession of the Mauthner family. As Mauthner writes, some Frankist emissaries later took these things away, as seems to have been the case in other families too. I can well understand the desire of upper-middle-class Poles to hide their origins, but it is hard for me to understand why the last Frankists willingly or unwillingly helped them in this. Could we take it as a special case of what the Islamic sectarians, first of all the Ismailiyyas, call taqiyya—a tactic to hide some controversial points of their belief? And certainly there were many controversial aspects in the teaching and activities of Jacob Frank and his entourage. His rhetoric is sometimes fiercely negativistic, and his sexual practices are blatantly unconventional: There were indeed things people integrated into the normal bourgeois life of the mid-nineteenth century that they had good reasons to hide and/or forget.

There are publications on Jacob Frank in the United States and Poland; the book by Alexander Kraushar on him has been published in English translation.[4] Unfortunately, the best studies on Frank and Frankism are by the Polish scholar Jan Doktór and seem to have been ignored by the academic world in America. Dr. Doktór has published a critical edition of the The Sayings of the Lord in Polish and some books about Frank.[5] While we know much about Frank’s relations with the Catholic Church, there is not much clarity about Frank’s contacts with Islam. His conversion to Islam seems to have had little impact on his views, although several papers, among them Gershom Scholem’s article on the Dönme, mention close connections between some Sufis from the Bektashi order of dervishes and Jacob Frank, as had been the case with leading Sabbateans. This fact suggests that it would be worthwhile to find out more about the parallels between the Sabbatean-Frankist teaching and practices and those of the Bektashis. Unfortunately, as far as I know, no one has done this, and I am not able to do it. Still, an academic from a Bektashi family in Turkey has told me what she could recall from what one of the eminent Bektashi spiritual leaders, a family friend, had told her when she was still an adolescent. I quote from my diary from December 10, 1994: “There are no more true sheikhs among the Bektashis. One of them whom she knew best had been a merry person, always laughing. He had said that one must get rid of religion (dīn), the outer shell, but also of faith (īmān). He had sometimes read the Bible, loving especially stories that made him laugh as, for example, David dancing in front of the Ark of the Covenant. In his opinion, the three ‘abrahamic’ religions are of equal value. When she asked him about the other religions, the old man laughed and said that he had had enough trouble because of the three.”

I cannot but feel that such an inside view was a nice addition to what is written on the Bektashis on books and websites I have had access to. I wonder whether what the old sheikh (or baba?) had told her could perhaps give some new nuances to the interpretation of Jacob Frank as a radical antinomian preaching “redemption through sin,” as expounded by Gershom Scholem.[6] Certainly, both Jacob Frank and radical Bektashis like the old sheikh were terrible sinners from the point of view of orthodox Judaism or Islam. But their aim was not to be good Muslims or Jews, but to attain the Ultimate, the Divine, the “naked” Truth. And in their view, any orthodoxy, any religion, was or could become an obstacle on the way to attaining it. Thus, it had to be cast away, like the shell of an oyster or a nut.

We could perhaps even ask whether Frank didn’t follow in all seriousness the precept of Deuteronomy that every practicing Jew repeats in his Shema prayer: “You must love God your Lord with all your heart, all your soul, and all your might.” If you love God in this way, you can’t love your religion with the same fervor. The teaching of the “anti-Talmudist” Frank could have given birth to a different type of Talmud, if his movement had survived longer and gained some recognition outside the rather limited circle of his followers.

It is interesting that Frank too spoke of shells, probably inspired by the Zoharist tradition: “This help [given by God to save his kingdom] is like a walnut from which we take away the green shell; then, the nut itself is seen, but it is still covered with a hard shell that has to be broken in order to get to the core inside it.”[7]

There is no essential difference between the sayings of the Bektashi sheikh and Jacob Frank’s. This means that they share a common mystical tradition. It has probably been better preserved in the Near East, which up to the present day is an ethnic and religious mosaic where different communities interact both in antagonistic and friendly ways. Both the Sabbatean-Frankist movements and some Sufi orders have certainly had more similarities than is often acknowledged. This means that in order to understand the genesis and development of these movements we must not study them in isolation but in their mutual interaction. I don’t think that we should try to explain cultural, even linguistic, phenomena primarily in their own context, avoiding or even ignoring the influences of other cultures, languages, or religions. Here, I think Moshe Idel is right when he writes that “there is indeed no categorical difference between the manner in which Jewish and other mystical symbolisms have emerged.”[8]

One of the basic ideas we find in Frank’s sermons is his devotion to the Shekhinah, which he calls “the Maiden” (Panna) and at least partly identifies with the Holy Virgin of the Catholic tradition. Here it is perhaps reasonable to keep in mind the fact that among the Bektashis, women are considered equal to men and take part in all important rituals. The person to whom the old sheikh told his unorthodox views was a girl…

Most authors take for granted that Frank was a libertine, a kind of precursor of the hippy-era sexual revolution. But his acts can be interpreted somewhat differently. Reading the chronicle of his deeds and sayings we can conclude that he and his disciples certainly practiced ritual sex.[9]  Here we find a description of the ritual of “extinguishing the candles,” something the Turkish heterodox religious groups are, justly or unjustly, accused of practicing. But ritual sex is not free sex. When Frank chose a man and a woman whom he ordered to fornicate, most often he did not ask them about their own wishes or sympathies.

The chronicle mentions several times that Frank used to send some men from his entourage (including my ancestor Jakub Kapliński, brother of Hannah Frank) to Istanbul. Jan Doktór sees this as a sign of Frank’s continuing ties with some heterodox Muslim groups, citing one of his sayings about his future reconversion to the “mahometan faith.”[10]

Jacob Frank lived between two eras. Like most important leaders of mass movements before him, he was a mystic, a visionary; his talks are sermons. But at the same time, he used religion in a pragmatic way, helped by his probable understanding of the three religions having the same inner core, the real “nut” inside several shells. This relativistic attitude gave him a free hand to use any of them as means to achieve his aims. And one, perhaps the foremost, of these aims was to establish a state for his people, a Jewish state. This he attempted to achieve with the help of conversion and negotiations with rulers and religious leaders in Turkey, Austria, and Russia. Still, in his time it was possible only if the Jews converted to a state religion, be it Islam, Catholicism, or Orthodoxy. And in his own strange way, he achieved something. Frank’s estate in Offenbach was an ephemeral micro-state, but still the first Jewish state in the modern world, Frank being its sovereign ruler, although the extent of his sovereignty is still not fully clear. As a ruler, he was both an eccentric and a realist. As a realist he understood the necessity of giving “his Jews” military training, and some of the Frankists later became military men. But his eccentricity, his waste of money on luxury and pomp, undermined the finances of his state, leading it quickly to bankruptcy. It would be unjust to write off Frank’s achievements completely. Still, I think we can call him a precursor of the Zionists, most of whom were also not Orthodox Jews anymore, having gone further in their emancipation, a process certainly influenced by the Frankist heresy.

It would also be unjust to Frank to deny that some of his sermons are quite interesting and impressive, even to modern readers. As his story is intimately connected with my family story, I cannot read without being moved the account of a ceremony that took place roughly a year before his death, when he was already seriously ill. We can perhaps call it baptism, and the child “baptized” by Frank was my ancestor Eliasz Adam Kapliński.

When the Lord was dressing the first child of the Turk, who was the middle Kaplinski, he made with him the following ceremony: He himself took water in his h[oly] hand and after having washed his head he put the turban on it and after having put around his neck a silk scarf he began to weep so bitterly that tears streamed down his holy face. Afterwards the Lord said to [the wife of] Kaplinski, who was present, ‘There will be three ships on which True believers will be: The first ship, on which I too will be, will be most fortunate and they will always be together with me; the second ship will be near me, will be also greatly fortunate and [people there] will also be able to see me; but the third will be very far away. May God grant that [people there] might see my face once in three years, but perhaps never at all. Those words the Lord ordered all those here at the gathering to annunciate to the Company.’[11]

I don’t know and nobody really knows what exactly Frank meant by talking of the ships. But his vision is quite poetical and poetry keeps some of its lure even when it’s not really understood. Like the poetry in sacred books.

 

Notes:

[1]     Jan Doktór, Rozmaite adnotacje, przypadki, czynności i anekdoty pańskie, opracował, przygotował do druku i opatrzył wstępem (Warszawa: Tikkun, 1996), 107.

[2]     Historya Franka i Frankistów, napisał Zygmunt Lucyan Sulima, (Kraków: 1893).

[3]     Abraham G. Duker, “Polish Frankism’s Duration: From Cabbalistic Judaism to Roman Catholicism and from Jewishness to Polishness,” Jewish Social Studies 25 no. 4 (1963): 289.

[4]     Alexander Kraushar, Jacob Frank: The End to the Sabbataian Heresy , (Lanham: University Press of America, 2001).

[5]    Jan Doktór, ed. Księga słów pańskich, ezoteryczne wykłady Jakuba Franka, vol 1-2 (Warszawa: Semper, 1997).

[6]     Gershom Scholem, “Redemption through Sin,” in The Messianic Idea in Judaism and Other Essays on Jewish Spirituality (New York: Schocken Books, 1971), 78-141.

[7]     Jan Doktór, Księga słów Pańskich, ezozteryczne wykłady Jakuba Franka, opracowanie naukowe i komentarze , (Warszawa: Semper, 1997), 2:15.

[8]     Moshe Idel, Messianic Mystics (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1997), 270.

[9]     Jan Doktór, Rozmaite adnotacje, przypadki, czynności i anekdoty pańskie, opracował, przygotował do druku i opatrzył wstępem (Warszawa: Tikkun, 1996), 60-61.

[10]    Rozmaite adnotacje, p. 101 and 109.

[11]    Jan Doktór, Rozmaite adnotacje, 92. Also see Kraushar, 337. There is also a translation of this document by Harris Lenowitz that I used in part: http://www.scribd.com/doc/58894013/Jacob-Frank-The-Master-s-Words. Unfortunately, there are many mistakes in this translation that I had to correct.

 

https://levantine-journal.org/being-frank-discovering-my-frankist-roots/

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On 11/2/2022 at 10:45 AM, Macnamara said:

nasty people...their attitudes towards other peoples wellbeing and families betrays their true feelings towards other people. Don't speak about jewish power kanye is told but bash white people instead!

Kanye: My Lawyer Told Me I'll Lose Custody of My Kids If I Keep Up The 'Anti-Semitic Rhetoric'

'I've been to Hollywood... it's a lot of Jews': Dave Chappelle defends Kanye on SNL and says that disgraced rapper broke 'the show business rules' with his anti-Semitic rants about Jewish people

By James Gordon For Dailymail.com

Published: 06:33 GMT, 13 November 2022 | Updated: 13:19 GMT, 13 November 2022

A year ago I saw Kanye on a podcast called DrinkChamps. 

'He said 'I'm a billionaire'. It was funny but when he went on again he was on something and he said "I can say anti-Semitic things and Adidas can't drop me. Now what?"', Chappelle explained.

'Adidas dropped that n**** immediately!' he joked.   

'It's a big deal. He broke the show business rules of perception. If they're black then it's a gang. If they're Italian it's the mob. But if they're Jewish it's a coincidence and you should never speak about it!'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11422099/SNL-cold-open-sees-comedian-Dave-Chappelle-defending-Kaye-Wests-antisemitic-remarks.html

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Strange Military Deaths Part 21: The Affair of the Wild Macraes

 

In 1778 a freshly raised regiment of 1000 men raised from the estates of the Earl of Seaforth travelled to Edinburgh. Composed mostly of Macrae's the men had joined up on the agreement that they would serve out the duration of their three year term within the british isles. As the men mustered in Leith links, in preparation to board ships in the port of leith, a rumour began to spread that they were to be deployed to the east indies under the aegis of the east india company.

 

Refusing to board the ships 600 of the 'wild macraes' marched to arthurs seat where they took up defencive positions. The authorities petulantly raised local militias known as 'fencibles' in readiness for action against them. The highlanders refused to budge from their lofty position until their terms were met. After days camped out on the hillside they received assurances from the military authorities that they would be forgiven for their action, receive their pay and not be sent to the east indies.

 

The highlanders agreed to the terms and marched down to the port to board boats. They were indeed then sent to serve abroad where many of them died from disease or shot.

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Just taking an evening of my time for READING and liking 2 examples of some stellar information...

More than what you see me repeat extracts of here, I have liked/reacted to, but anyway just putting up this post, as a note of thanks to contributors and thanks to myself too for making the effort in having a good old catchup READ for myself on what's oldish, but actually relevant on and on, so yeah I have been taking a close look at what I have missed in this thread for a too long a while, these are just two examples}}..

 

This first >>> Just checking for myself, and this has been going on in schools since 2015? I think you say Mac, in another close dated post in this thread.

On 9/30/2020 at 7:23 PM, Macnamara said:

Bare in mind that Astra Zenica are the same company that produce the Fluenz Tetra nasal spray vaccine that is being given to school children up and down the UK at

the moment. Do you trust these people?

 


I have liked other posts as well, but got to respect many of which are Macnamara giving great pause for thought..... Thanks for this thread, a kind of blog as you say in your lead post at outset (I think)... I like Maxims of this sort BELOW, really helps see how we can turn the tables, and unsmog the fog and smoke n mirrors etc....

 

 

On 9/30/2020 at 5:27 PM, Macnamara said:

They want to dupe us into the 'new normal' in which they will micro-manage every aspect of our lives. We must counter this with truth.

They want to reduce life to measureable units and values but we are not a resource to be measured or counted. Nature is not digital, it is analogue. We are waves that need space in which to roll and crash.

They wish to put us in a box, so we must be non-compliant

They wish to dumb us down, so we must be informed

They wish to make us mindless automatons so we must be imaginative and creative

They wish to standardise us so we must be individualistic!

They wish to break our spirit so we must be tenacious!

They value money for the power it brings them so we must value real things like nutritious food, clean air, clean water, clean soil , community and the land

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If the crown's main weapon is deceit then we must arm ourselves with truth; through this we can expose the malevolent intent behind the crowns lie-factory. As a persons perception of reality shapes their behaviour and their behaviour then in turn shapes reality, freedom must then be the ability to consciously choose ones own next step in the full knowledge of its impact on the world and uncoloured by the deceptions of the engineers of perception. In order for conscientious individuals to make that step to the best of their judgement it is necessary to discuss information that is in the public interest to know; only a tyrant would disagree.

 

If as the saying goes 'a lie can travel twice around the world before the truth has got its boots on' then we have some work ahead of us shipmates

 

A Shining Clean Ship She is Sir......B r i l l i a n t & PRECISE....So a great intro to this thread btw! ....I have clearly not waded in deep enough in some regards, but my head used to get agonized by some detail_ (even though I am supposed to be good with detail)... but hey must be having me a good omen tonight on the forum......Helps obviously being told in the way you tell it Mac, (or quote where quoted like in some of your posts as needs musts) the detail then gets easier, 🙂 ...and all in all that is a special commendation for communication reaching next level for all of us acquiring the knowledge as we should  (like Mac started this thread saying, true ignorance is for those that don't look at all just by stubbornly refusing and to feel safey safey, well, I would like to add to that IGNORANCE IS NOT SAFE for such resolutely ignorant people --- Anyway great stuff!!).....

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Book Review Part 1:

The People V's the State, Using Jury Nullification to Defeat Unjust Laws by Luke Von Trapp

 

This book was recommended by the gentlemen at the UKColumn in their 'A Dissident's Guide to the Constitution' series. The author has his own podcast 'the uncivil liberty' in which he discuss the topic of Liberty. It's a bite sized book that can be knocked off in an afternoons reading and is clear and easy to understand although it needs a bit of editing as there are some small errors but then i can't talk as my grammar is terrible (it's the info inside that matters!)

 

The author is based in the US but the concept of jury nullification is historically rooted in British common Law. It's definately worth a read and I'll post some excerpts from it below to give a flavour of what Luke is trying to get across to the reader:

 

WHY IS JURY NULLIFICATION SO IMPORTANT?

 

'If you've heard about it and are not fighting for it to be implemented in our system, then something is wrong for sure. It is one of the core fundamental rights provided to us by the Constitution, and we have an obligation to use it to invalidate bad laws ratified by corrupt politicians in legislative bodies. Jury nullification is one of the rare ways to fight against the abuse of power, primarily by the law enforcement and the corrupt legal system they support.'

 

'Jury nullification is a constitutional doctrine which allows jurors to acquit criminal defendants who are technically guilty, but who do not deserve punishment. It occurs in a trial when a jury reaches a verdict contrary to the judge's instructions as to the law' (CopBlock)

 

'Simply put, the jury holds the most power in determining the validity of the law and whether it has the right to stand. Furthermore, jury nullification prevents unjust laws from being enforced even if the person standing trial has admitted to committing the 'crime'. It sends a message to the legislative 'masters' of the people that they do not agree and refuse to convict as the law is unfit to stand. Jury nullification is a vote of non-confidence on the credibility of the law and those who profit off making these laws and the courts despise it.'

 

Von Trapp gives real world examples of jury nullification and makes the point that people who feel that certain drug laws or abuse of police power are affecting certain sub sections of the population disproportionately, should learn about jury nullification as the solution to these problems for example if a person is on trial for distributing marijuana then the jury could acquit him if they believe that a non violent act that is technically illegal but which causes no victim should not result in a conviction.

 

This method of allowing a person to be judged by a jury of their peers is an ancient tradition going back 700 years in british common law history and the book does cover that.

 

The book stresses the need for jurors to act out of conscience to ensure justice and not to simply follow the letter of the law as the judge may demand. It also contain a good quote from Martin Luther King:

 

'I became convinced that noncooperation with evil is as much a moral obligation as is cooperation with good'

 

How prescient in our current covid-hysteria predicament

Nicola Sturgeon's plans to abolish jury trials in rape cases are 'a threat to democracy' and risk comparison with Hitler's judge-only courts, Scotland's most senior female lawyer warns

  • Senior lawyer hits out at plans to abolish jury trials in rape cases in Scotland
  • Ministers looking at the proposal amid concern jurors have outdated attitudes
  • Frances McMenamin KC drew comparisons with China – and even Hitler's regime

By Danya Bazaraa For Mailonline

Published: 10:43 GMT, 14 November 2022 | Updated: 12:22 GMT, 14 November 2022

Nicola Sturgeon's plans to scrap jury trials in rape cases have been compared to Hitler's courts by Scotland's top female lawyer who warned the proposal could undermine democracy. 

Ministers are looking at the proposal to abolish jury trials in rape cases amid concern some jurors have outdated attitudes towards alleged victims, leading to low conviction rates. 

But a senior lawyer and government adviser fears Scotland's judicial system may soon, if proposals for judge-only trials go ahead, be on the verge of a misguided and dangerous misstep.

Frances McMenamin KC stated her grave concerns about the plans and drew comparisons between judge-only trials and regimes such as China. She even likened the proposals to Hitler who in 1933 abolished trial by jury and set up the People's Court.

McMenamin, the most senior woman at the Scottish Bar, urged for more be done to defend women asked to give evidence in harrowing trials and warned of the corrosive effect on justice caused by the relatively poor pay of criminal lawyers in the legal profession.

She told The Sunday Post: 'China's new national security law, aimed at suppressing Hong Kong's democracy movement, is abolishing trial by jury. 

'A comparison to China is not one which Scotland should court by removing the current jury system only for sex offence cases.'

She added: 'Even worse, Scotland should not risk further comparison with Hitler who, in 1933, in response to his dissatisfaction at the Reichstag fire trial, in which all but one of the accused were acquitted, abolished trial by jury and set up the People's Court.

'This was a special court set up outside the operations of the constitutional frame of law, whose president almost always sided with the prosecution and in which there was no presumption of innocence.' 

McMenamin, a member of the Scottish Government's Governance Group, said: 'Democracy is not just about parliamentary and local elections. Democratic participation is wider than this.

'Jury service ensures that the citizen - who does not have to vote but does have to respond to a call to jury service - is part of the delivery of justice. 

'The removal of juries for sex offence cases affects the rights not only of any accused charged with such an offence but equally affects the rights of every citizen in Scotland.

'Jury service gives a central role to the public in the criminal justice system, of which serious sex offence cases form no small part in Scotland.

'Even other countries not so historically associated with democratic traditions and institutions are turning towards a jury system such as Argentina and Bulgaria.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11425203/Nicola-Sturgeons-plans-abolish-jury-trials-rape-cases-compared-Hitlers-court-lawyer-says.html

 

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Mike Lee: The Adversarial Legal System Is the Safeguard to Liberty

Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) stressed the need to protect adversarial procedure in the American justice system, saying, “If the adversarial system doesn’t work, you will lose your rights, you will lose your liberty, potentially culminating in a full loss of life, liberty, and/or property.”

The adversarial system is the one that presumes innocence and requires both sides of a lawsuit to conduct their own investigations, bring witnesses, affords the ability for cross-examination, and safeguards defendants against government bias.

Lee was addressing the Federalist Society’s 2022 National Lawyers Convention in the nation’s capital, warning of an increasingly powerful government and its potential to crush the liberties of the American people.

“We neglect the fact that [government] is just force,” he said. “Government is force, and like fire, it’s dangerous and it has to be controlled — should never be trusted.”

The adversarial system “is itself absolutely essential to safeguarding our individual liberties, because if, after all, you get hauled in by this entity whose sole purpose … is to exert force on you — to coerce you into doing or not doing a particular thing — if you don’t have adequate representation, the adversarial system won’t work,” he argued. “If the adversarial system doesn’t work, you will lose your rights, you will lose your liberty, potentially culminating in a full loss of life, liberty, and/or property.”

The adversarial system is contingent upon both plaintiffs and defendants having strong legal counsel — a point of contention brought up several times during the three-day convention, as lawyer intimidation for unpopular clients and the refusal of law firms to represent them is a growing trend, particularly for conservative clients.

“We’ve seen enormous pressure brought to bear on another number of institutions, including and especially our profession, where you’ve seen some prominent law firms, including some in this town, doing everything they can to shun certain clients,” Lee said. “Doing everything they can, in some circumstances, even to shun outstanding, remarkable lawyers, based solely on their prior employment experience, including many who worked in the Trump administration.”

The push to diminish the freedoms of speech and association from the left is a chief contributor to the degradation of the adversarial system.

Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, Lee explained, said, “Something bad happens when we can’t tolerate speech, when we can’t tolerate views that differ from our own.

http://www.yourdestinationnow.com/2022/11/mike-lee-adversarial-legal-system-is.html

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BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Tens of Billions of US Dollars Were Transferred to Ukraine and then Using FTX Crypto Currency the Funds Were Laundered Back to Democrats in US

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Nicola Sturgeon's plans to abolish jury trials in rape cases are 'a threat to democracy' and risk comparison with Hitler's judge-only courts, Scotland's most senior female lawyer warn

 

Nicola Sturgeon is a childless, neo-marxist career woman who desires an authoritarian government through which she can bully people

ATH: Toxic Femininity Is Costing Republicans Elections

 It’s time for conservative women to step up.

For years we’ve heard about “toxic masculinity,” yet what we should really be concerned about is “toxic femininity.”

As results of this year’s midterm election poured in, one thing became abundantly clear—the radical feminist movement of the 1960s has come to full fruition.

The number of single women in the United States is rapidly increasing, and a large majority of them are voting Democrat. Polling from this past week’s midterm elections shows that Democrats led by 37 points among unmarried women.

So what’s swaying these women to vote Democrat?

Women today are told that their happiness and their worth come from a corporate job. That raising a family will only hold them back. That the concept of marriage is an outdated and sexist concept. Women nowadays would rather be beholden to their jobs than to husbands and children because, after all, that’s true freedom. Right?

While the feminist movement of the 1960s preached equality, as the decades have passed by we’ve seen just the opposite occur. Feminists have waged an all-out war against the traditional family and traditional gender roles to create one type of woman — the career-driven, childless woman. Just last week on The View, host Sunny Hostin likened women voting Republican to “roaches voting for Raid.”

These women despise other women who reject the false promises of modern-day toxic feminism.

Look no further than Jefferson County, West Virginia. When myself and fellow stay-at-home mother Jennifer Krouse ran for two positions on the county commission, we were attacked for being traditional, conservative women.

Democrats railed against our campaigns, decrying that I was “tone deaf” and a “stay-at-home mom who posts homemade cookies on her campaign page” and that Jennifer’s love for her country and family was “too extreme.”

So much for the Left being the party of women’s rights and women’s voices.

Instead, the Leftists in my county chose to support two old white men with political careers that started nearly two decades before I was even born because they couldn’t stand the thought of two stay-at-home mothers on the ballot. Thankfully, Jennifer and I prevailed.

But the rest of the country isn’t like my wonderful home state of West Virginia.

If Republicans want any chance of winning future elections, they must engage in the culture wars head-on. And that means engaging the women of this country to embrace traditional womanhood and to reject toxic feminism. We need to build up families, build up communities, and rely on one another rather than the government.

It was Phyllis Schlafly and a group of housewives in the 1960s that stopped the ERA in its tracks. While Schlafly won that battle, we conservative women have been losing the war since then.

We need to build off of what Schlafly started and engage young women across the country. Our message to the women of this country should be to reject the Left’s hypocrisy and be a part of the party that truly promotes women. Women in the workforce, women at home, and the women who are juggling both!

In order to be truly pro-women, we need to be embracing a pro-family agenda and policies that support family formation and give women the option to stay at home. The stagnation of Middle-class wages and rising costs have created a scenario where essentials like housing, health care, transportation, and education cost more than an entire year’s income! In 1985 these same things would have cost a typical earner 30 weeks of income.

If you’re a mother, the time of being apathetic toward politics is over. You need to step up, get involved, and make your voice known. We need the next generation of little girls to see that marriage and motherhood are things to aspire to rather than detest.

To all the conservative moms out there, I did it in Jefferson County, and you can do it too. Get involved, join a board, run for office.

Let’s take back this country and stop toxic femininity in its tracks.

http://www.madnesshub.com/2022/11/ath-toxic-femininity-is-costing.html

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BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Tens of Billions of US Dollars Were Transferred to Ukraine and then Using FTX Crypto Currency the Funds Were Laundered Back to Democrats in US

 

Really Graceful has picked up on this. 

Waiting to hear what Jeff Berwick knows and has to say. 

 

 

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Nicola Sturgeon's plans to abolish jury trials in rape cases are 'a threat to democracy' and risk comparison with Hitler's judge-only courts, Scotland's most senior female lawyer warns

  • Senior lawyer hits out at plans to abolish jury trials in rape cases in Scotland
  • Ministers looking at the proposal amid concern jurors have outdated attitudes
  • Frances McMenamin KC drew comparisons with China – and even Hitler's regime

By Danya Bazaraa For Mailonline

Published: 10:43 GMT, 14 November 2022 | Updated: 12:22 GMT, 14 November 2022

Nicola Sturgeon's plans to scrap jury trials in rape cases have been compared to Hitler's courts by Scotland's top female lawyer who warned the proposal could undermine democracy. 

Ministers are looking at the proposal to abolish jury trials in rape cases amid concern some jurors have outdated attitudes towards alleged victims, leading to low conviction rates. 

But a senior lawyer and government adviser fears Scotland's judicial system may soon, if proposals for judge-only trials go ahead, be on the verge of a misguided and dangerous misstep.

Frances McMenamin KC stated her grave concerns about the plans and drew comparisons between judge-only trials and regimes such as China. She even likened the proposals to Hitler who in 1933 abolished trial by jury and set up the People's Court.

McMenamin, the most senior woman at the Scottish Bar, urged for more be done to defend women asked to give evidence in harrowing trials and warned of the corrosive effect on justice caused by the relatively poor pay of criminal lawyers in the legal profession.

She told The Sunday Post: 'China's new national security law, aimed at suppressing Hong Kong's democracy movement, is abolishing trial by jury. 

'A comparison to China is not one which Scotland should court by removing the current jury system only for sex offence cases.'

She added: 'Even worse, Scotland should not risk further comparison with Hitler who, in 1933, in response to his dissatisfaction at the Reichstag fire trial, in which all but one of the accused were acquitted, abolished trial by jury and set up the People's Court.

'This was a special court set up outside the operations of the constitutional frame of law, whose president almost always sided with the prosecution and in which there was no presumption of innocence.' 

McMenamin, a member of the Scottish Government's Governance Group, said: 'Democracy is not just about parliamentary and local elections. Democratic participation is wider than this.

'Jury service ensures that the citizen - who does not have to vote but does have to respond to a call to jury service - is part of the delivery of justice. 

'The removal of juries for sex offence cases affects the rights not only of any accused charged with such an offence but equally affects the rights of every citizen in Scotland.

'Jury service gives a central role to the public in the criminal justice system, of which serious sex offence cases form no small part in Scotland.

'Even other countries not so historically associated with democratic traditions and institutions are turning towards a jury system such as Argentina and Bulgaria.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11425203/Nicola-Sturgeons-plans-abolish-jury-trials-rape-cases-compared-Hitlers-court-lawyer-says.html

 

 

Craig Murray was warning about this quite a while ago. 

The case against Alex Salmond being the ignition point I believe. 

No real Jury Justice.

Bat-Shit-Crazy  🤨

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Craig Murray was warning about this quite a while ago. 

The case against Alex Salmond being the ignition point I believe. 

No real Jury Justice.

Bat-Shit-Crazy  🤨

 

yes i'm sure that nicola was very sad that her attempted political assassination of alec salmond failed and that she would love to remove any independence that the judiciary might have from the government. She is a total authoritarian

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