Why the Earth cannot possibly be flat.

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3 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

Your answers mean nothing when based in assumptions that you then argue with yourself over. This, while never realizing you have not represented objective reality along with other fallacious reasoning.

1) The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees
around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur
balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely
flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other
government “space agencies” show curvature in their fake
CGI photos/videos.

Everyone who has looked at the world knows this is fact, that this is how our eyes and brain work to make images that we can understand. This was explained to you more than once, but you refuse to even try and understand the implications.

Horizon line-is always at eye level. Picture yourself at the seashore and looking out at the ocean you notice that the water meets the sky at your eye level. This never changes. You may be in an airplane 1000 feet up and the level that the ocean meets the sky is still at your eye level! Or you may be lying down on the beach and the ocean level drops with you. Think of it as an invisible plane that cuts through everything, that always exists at eye level.

Now that we have established the actual facts, let's use simple logic. The horizon, always horizontal, at eye level for all 360 degrees means that curvature does not exist.

If we lived on a ball with the imagined radius, a visible 360 degree horizontal horizon would not be possible. A visible 360 degree horizontal horizon is what has been established, therefore the Earth we live on cannot have that radius and r is falsified.

You're done... it's over.

@oddsnsods, see?

3 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

There has to be something wrong with somebody who ignores the entire first page and then spams a load of Eric Doyoubuy shite. The claim is a meaningless and provably inaccurate piece of garbage.....

You ignored that this was covered in the other thread and went on anyways in your pretend world. Your claim is a meaningless and provably inaccurate piece of garbage.....

The above video is open sourced, has been out there since 2017 and there is no debunk. There is the real math. The horizon stays at high level the entire time in real life as shown while the drop is dramatic and obvious if we were on a spinning ball with your imagined radius.

3 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

"The ISS shows curvature as do all the images taken during the Apollo missions. If you are just going to cry faaaaake, what's the point?

I refuse to appeal to the authority of known liars and you know this too.

3 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

The Earth is very, very big. At aircraft cruising altitude you will only see 3.2 degrees of variance and that if you can see a full 90 degrees of span."

The above is useless as it does not represent observable reality. Keep pulling whatever numbers you like from wherever you like and keep arguing with yourself. It is a fascinating comedy routine. And probably just a coincidence, but every nasa shill script has something about "the Earth is very, very big." How very, very scientific.

3 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

I also did number 2 as well....

No, you did nothing of the sort. You just claim that as always and hope that nobody cares enough to check you.

2) The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer
as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see
it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you
ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer /
camera would have to tilt looking down further and further
to see it.

This is proven above with the actual math.

3 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

First and second  "proofs" from Eric Doyoubuy - both bollocks. The man is an imbecile.

Accusing your enemy of what you are guilty of is a common technique used to stifle discussion and run from truth.

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Basic Perspective: Eye Level and Horizon Line

Horizon Line and Eye Level

The terms “horizon line” and “eye level” are often used synonymously. Horizon line/eye level refer to a physical/visual boundary where sky separates from land or water. It is the actual height of the viewer’s eyes when looking at an object, interior scene, or an exterior scene.

https://courses.byui.edu/art110_new/art110/week01/eye_level.html

Basic Perspective: Converging Lines

The edges of objects appear to converge or taper as they recede in the distance to a common point on the eye level or horizon line. In Linear Perspective this is referred to as a Vanishing Point.

Note: Converging lines are parallel in reality, but they appear to converge because of diminution. In art this is called “perspectively parallel.”

Examples

Finding Eye Level — Vanishing Point: All of the parallel edges of stairs, columns, ceiling, etc. in the room point to the vanishing point which is on the horizon line/eye level.

https://courses.byui.edu/art110_new/art110/week01/converging_lines.html

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The Horizon / Eye Level is the axis around which a perspective drawing is constructed.

• In perspective drawing, the horizon also happens to be the viewer's eye-level.

• When we are outdoors we use the horizon as a point of reference to judge the scale and distance of objects in relation to us.

• In art, we tend to use the term 'eye level', rather than 'horizon', as in many pictures the horizon is hidden by walls, buildings, trees, hills etc.

To illustrate the significance of the horizon / eye level in perspective drawing we have added some tourists to our linear and aerial perspective scene.

• Note how all four figures share the same eye level - i.e. the horizon of the picture. This suggests that they are all the same height and are standing on the same plane. Because the horizon happens to be our eye level, it also suggests that the figures are the same height as any viewer of the picture. As a result, the organization of scale and distance in the drawing makes good visual sense.

• If you click on the flip icon it should reveal our second image. Although the figures are still the same size, their eye levels no longer have any relationship to the eye level of the picture. As a result, the scale of the figures is totally confused.

• This demonstrates the importance of the horizon / eye level to the organization of scale and distance in a perspective drawing. It also illustrates the meaning of Leonardo's famous quote that 'Perspective is to painting what the bridle is to the horse, the rudder to a ship'.

https://www.artyfactory.com/perspective_drawing/perspective_2.html

Definitions

Perspective: Seeing where you stand

https://www.npg.org.uk/learning/digital/portraiture/perspective-seeing-where-you-stand/definitions

The above is a very detailed read on this topic from the National Portrait Gallery.

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Worthing to Birling Gap

Distance: 27 miles/43.4 km

Thursday, August 6, 2020, 6:15 PM

Examine the video at 8:07

Distance: 27 miles/43.4 km

Camera: 26 feet above tide level

Target - Birling Gap cliff: 223 feet above sea level

Based on a sphere with the radius you assume, an amazing 285 feet should be hidden!

And the horizon again is beyond everything.

If Earth were a globe with a radius of 3,959 miles, the above video would not be possible. The video is right there, therefore, the Earth is not a globe with said radius.

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The responses to this from the globurists are few, far between and quite absurd when they even try to explain this away.

If Earth were a globe with a radius of 3,959 miles, the above video would not be possible. The video is right there, therefore, the Earth is not a globe with said radius falsifying r again.

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2 hours ago, amy G said:

Your answers mean nothing when based in assumptions that you then argue with yourself over. This, while never realizing you have not represented objective reality along with other fallacious reasoning.

Your responses mean nothing when you have the understanding of a fig leaf. There is nothing fallacious about using mathematics to prove something and a mathematician, which you clearly lied about, would know this.

2 hours ago, amy G said:

1) The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees
around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur
balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely
flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other
government “space agencies” show curvature in their fake
CGI photos/videos.

SPAM! You have posted an identical claim and ignored numerous responses. Eric Doyoubuy is a colossal dipshit - his claims are proven horseshit and people who are incapable of understanding mathematics that junior school children can figure out are just noisy time wasters. Instead of taking the maths and proving it wrong, or offering your own, you just ignore it.

Pathetic.

2 hours ago, amy G said:

Everyone who has looked at the world knows this is fact, that this is how our eyes and brain work to make images that we can understand. This was explained to you more than once, but you refuse to even try and understand the implications.

Nothing you have ever typed has offered me an explanation. Nothing you have ever typed was on a subject where I needed an explanation. You are not the spokesperson for "everyone" and you are impossible to reach. You simply have to have some sort of financial interest in this.

2 hours ago, amy G said:

Horizon line-is always at eye level. Picture yourself at the seashore and looking out at the ocean you notice that the water meets the sky at your eye level. This never changes. You may be in an airplane 1000 feet up and the level that the ocean meets the sky is still at your eye level! Or you may be lying down on the beach and the ocean level drops with you. Think of it as an invisible plane that cuts through everything, that always exists at eye level.

Hint Your horizon line always falls at eye level regardless of where you're looking. For instance, if you are looking down, your eye level remains at the height of your eyes, not down where you are looking.

2 hours ago, amy G said:

Now that we have established the actual facts, let's use simple logic. The horizon, always horizontal, at eye level for all 360 degrees means that curvature does not exist.

If we lived on a ball with the imagined radius, a visible 360 degree horizontal horizon would not be possible. A visible 360 degree horizontal horizon is what has been established, therefore the Earth we live on cannot have that radius and r is falsified.

You're done... it's over.

@oddsnsods, see?

2) The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer
as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see
it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you
ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer /
camera would have to tilt looking down further and further
to see it.

This is proven above with the actual math.

Whoa there you very deceitful comedian. We establish facts with proper investigation, not the generalisations from a bloody website about drawing stuff!

Horizon reference http://www.ringbell.co.uk/info/hdist.htm

Trigonometry reference: http://www.cleavebooks.co.uk/scol/calrtri.htm

You say the Earth is flat. Science and people with brains say it gently curves away. Whichever of the two the horizon will ALWAYS and must ALWAYS be below the level of the eye. This is basic, child's play trigonometry.

Example 1:

b = height of person and where their eyes are - I used 6ft.

h = distance to horizon using the global formula for that height = 3 miles = 15840 ft.

Angle theta is 0.217 degree. THAT is how far down the eye needs to look to see the horizon. Nobody has the capacity to discern a difference between that angle and level.

b = height of 1000 ft.

h = distance to horizon using the global formula for that height = 38.7 miles = 204336 ft.

Angle theta is 0.28 degrees. Again THAT is how far down the eye needs to look to see the horizon. Nobody has the capacity to discern a difference between that angle and level.

Let's go really high:

b = height of 100,000 ft.

h = distance to horizon using the global formula for that height = 387.9 miles = 2048112 ft.

Angle theta is 2.8 degrees. THAT is how far down the eye needs to look to see the horizon. Is it possible for somebody to know they are looking down at just under 3 degrees of arc? Doubtful but totally irrelevant anyway.

The claim thus proved as bollocks!

You are owned. Totally. You have one option - ignore this and make loads of noise....because this is simple, school kid stuff and you can't even understand it.

2 hours ago, amy G said:

You ignored that this was covered in the other thread and went on anyways in your pretend world. Your claim is a meaningless and provably inaccurate piece of garbage.....

What points within that myopic crap negate the mathematics I just explained to you? The bloke using it is zooming in on a graphic and distorting it on a split screen! I am using mathematics to say exactly what it SHOULD be.

2 hours ago, amy G said:

The above video is open sourced, has been out there since 2017 and there is no debunk. There is the real math. The horizon stays at high level the entire time in real life as shown while the drop is dramatic and obvious if we were on a spinning ball with your imagined radius.

It is using a camera - quite how you can establish an "eye line" when the camera is actually the object determining the plane of sight, is rather dumb.

Of course there is a debunk. I showed you the figures for each of the altitudes in my small spreadsheet. These were calculated using something you don't understand, trigonometry.

2 hours ago, amy G said:

I refuse to appeal to the authority of known liars and you know this too.

Then stop quoting Eric Doyoubuy. NASA are not "known liars" and propping up your bullshit with more bullshit is not cool.

2 hours ago, amy G said:

The above is useless as it does not represent observable reality. Keep pulling whatever numbers you like from wherever you like and keep arguing with yourself. It is a fascinating comedy routine.

It exactly represents reality. It starts with an elevation, the distance to the horizon on a globe, takes a 45 degree segment of the horizon, uses the calculated distance to the horizon and the subsequent distance across given that 45 degree angle. Finally the variance in elevation is worked out against the globe model.  I then double it to give a reasonable 90 degree field of view.

It's mathematics so I can see why you would be confused. The curvature is small right up to 60 miles high where on an average camera is about 10 degrees of variance across the image.

The claim thus proved as bollocks!

2 hours ago, amy G said:

And probably just a coincidence, but every nasa shill script has something about "the Earth is very, very big." How very, very scientific.

The phrase is used for the hard of understanding. I am not a shill, I don't work from a script and your audacity in saying something is not scientific is colossal when your whole belief ignores science and entertains buttrinse.

2 hours ago, amy G said:

No, you did nothing of the sort. You just claim that as always and hope that nobody cares enough to check you.

Go check - prove me wrong. Or carry on cowardly avoiding it whilst making noise. I actually did number 2 in the post you just quoted....and I just did it again above.

2 hours ago, amy G said:

Accusing your enemy of what you are guilty of is a common technique used to stifle discussion and run from truth.

Eric Doyoubuy is not my enemy. He is an internet nobody guilty of the dumbest brand of dipshittery known to man. I am not the one continually ignoring posts then claiming I answered them but failing to show where.

Hey, you aren't him are you?

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The responses to this too from the globurists are few, far between and quite absurd when they even try to explain this away.

If Earth were a globe with a radius of 3,959 miles, the above video would not be possible. The video is right there, therefore, the Earth is not a globe with said radius falsifying r again.

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3 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

Hint Your horizon line always falls at eye level regardless of where you're looking. For instance, if you are looking down, your eye level remains at the height of your eyes, not down where you are looking.

I read that and posted the math in the side by side comparison that shows reality. The camera is mounted perfectly flat.

Timestamped at 5 miles and what we should all see when we fly, but don't. Which is right to next to the perfect horizontal, eye level horizon that we all do see in reality.

(odd how sometimes my links embed and sometimes not)

And there are several links now explaining that horizon and eye level are synonymous.

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The responses to this too from the globurists are few, far between and quite absurd when they even try to explain this away.

If Earth were a globe with a radius of 3,959 miles, the above video would not be possible. The video is right there, therefore, the Earth is not a globe with said radius falsifying r again.

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If Earth were a globe with a radius of 3,959 miles, the above video would not be possible. The video is right there, therefore, the Earth is not a globe with said radius falsifying r again.

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18 minutes ago, amy G said:

Examine the video at 8:07

Distance: 27 miles/43.4 km

Camera: 26 feet above tide level

Target - Birling Gap cliff: 223 feet above sea level

Based on a sphere with the radius you assume, an amazing 285 feet should be hidden!

And the horizon again is beyond everything.

If Earth were a globe with a radius of 3,959 miles, the above video would not be possible. The video is right there, therefore, the Earth is not a globe with said radius.

Hey - you seem to be unable to grasp things no matter how many times you have them told to you. Refraction.

Observer height 8m / Target distance 43,452m / Target size 68m

Just push the refraction measurement into positive about 0.2 and above, watch the object bend into view.

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1 hour ago, amy G said:

The responses to this too from the globurists are few, far between and quite absurd when they even try to explain this away.

If Earth were a globe with a radius of 3,959 miles, the above video would not be possible. The video is right there, therefore, the Earth is not a globe with said radius falsifying r again.

You really are a waste of time dude. Go to 4 mins 8 seconds and see the curvy laser. Plus I don't trust these lying arseholes anyway.

Curvy lasers? Hmmmm whodathunkit. Maybe bflat needs to understand some very simple physics.

It takes a 0.217 degree downward variance of the "straight" laser for it to be pointed down at the horizon. So not only can lasers easily "exceed" the global defined distances with simple refraction, some yoootub muppet "accidentally" points the laser down at the horizon and it skips off like a stone.

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Seems bflat has resorted to mega spam in an effort to cover the items on page 1. Notice he hasn't answered any of them.

Refraction is the answer to all the silly flatnut experiments he has posted. Refraction - heat and pressure variances across a large expanse of atmosphere.

Great site for adjusting the horizon with variable refraction:

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37 minutes ago, amy G said:

I read that and posted the math in the side by side comparison that shows reality.

You have never posted any "math". You and reality are as far apart as is possible.

37 minutes ago, amy G said:

The camera is mounted perfectly flat.

Totally irrelevant. The visible plane is the line of the camera.

37 minutes ago, amy G said:

(odd how sometimes my links embed and sometimes not)

Yes. But the oddest thing of all is how you can have the audacity to spam your off topic shite on this thread and avoid the OP totally.

You are afraid to debate honestly.

37 minutes ago, amy G said:

And there are several links now explaining that horizon and eye level are synonymous.

And mathematics to show that..

a) It is irrelevant horseshit

b) Not true anyway

c) Very little difference between a flat view and a sphere view because the Earth size is almost the same as a flat view. It's big you see. Biggy big big.com

Curvature of the Horizon in High-Altitude Balloon Footage

High-altitude balloon footage is often abused by flat-Earthers to show us that the Earth is flat when seen from a high altitude.

We analyzed more than two dozens of footage taken from high-altitude balloons on YouTube, and we can easily conclude the curvature is there and usually easy to spot, including in the cases where flat-Earthers use the video as ‘proof’ of a flat Earth.

The majority of the ‘evidence’ are screenshots taken from these videos. The original videos were usually taken using fisheye lenses. In these videos, there are moments where the horizon appears flat, convex and concave. Their M.O. is to cherry-pick moments where the horizon appears flat and present them as the ‘evidence’ of the flat Earth, ignoring the fact it appears concave and convex in many other moments in the video.

To analyze the videos, we try to find a moment where the horizon crosses the center point of the image. In this case, if the horizon is flat, it should appear flat. And conversely, if the horizon is curved, then should appear curved. This method works even if a fisheye was used to take the video. A straight line will always appear straight when it crosses the center, regardless of the lens being used.

We analyzed over two dozens of high-altitude balloon footages on YouTube, and the curvature is there every single time. These videos are definitely not proof of a flat Earth. On the contrary, they are evidence that the Earth is spherical.

Videos Used in the Illustration

These are links to the videos used in the illustration.

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Here is a screen shot from one flat nut claiming the horizon is straight. Only when you add some contrast......shoot-in-the-foot.com

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Just this - this one picture shows the curvature of the Earth.....to anyone with an ounce of honesty and integrity.....

Oh wait, there is far more for bflat to ignore.......

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On 9/30/2020 at 9:47 AM, Comedy Time said:

Yeah yeah I hear many of you say, this forum needs another flat Earth thread like a hole in the head. I agree. This isn't one. This is a collection of responses that have been systematically buried and consistently ignored by people claiming the Earth is flat. To me, given the truly astonishing amount of evidence saying it is a sphere that is like believing in fairies in your living room.This thread targets those members who may be in a little doubt from some of the videos that get put up on youtube. But, in this case none of it gets buried because it's all on page 1.

Here is a short and by no means concise list:

• The Sun sets without any size change and that is impossible in itself. The vanishing point is named thus!
• The Sun's motion through the sky is the same at every angle, location and time. It NEVER varies - 15 degrees of angular distance per hour.
• On any map of the flat earth, the two tropic circles HAVE to be different circumferences - the Sun HAS to increase speed for the larger one!! It provably does not differ in speed anywhere, any time.
• There has been not one iota of scientific measurement that corresponds to a flat earth, including sudden speed changes from the Sun.
• The Moon is inverted in the Southern Hemisphere.
• At a range of distances starting with the unfeasible Everest height for the Sun - the horizon is a ridiculous distance away.
• ANYONE can take an image through a quality telescope of Mars/Jupiter etc. and see them rotating.
• ANYONE can take an image through a filter and see the Sun rotating.
• Lunar eclipses occur where the Earth moves across the Sun's path to the Moon.
• There are so many problems with long haul flight distances on the common flat earth map - it is quite absurd.
• Australia on the regulation flat earth map is 5,000 miles across!!
• Star fields rotate in opposite directions by hemisphere.
• Gravity  - there is no offer of a workable counter explanation.
• Sea tides.
• There is no mechanism where the Sun is able to illuminate half a disc. It is an absurd magic spotlight needed to do this.
• It is impossible for anything including the Sun and Moon to drop below eye level when they are always above it.
• There are thousands of orbiting satellites. Including the ISS.
• There are hundreds of thousands of images taken in space over the decades.
• There is live footage from the ISS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY4UJceEaVg / https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/iss_ustream.html
• Satellite TV dishes receiving data from a point out in space.

This list could go on for pages and pages. Some of the answers given by flat earthers to these are amongst the most absurd things written on the internet.

Hello - echo chamber? Any takers? Anyone gonna answer any of these? Come on flat earthers, surely your model can explain the basic, basics of human observation?

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Two irrefutable statements...

• The Sun, no matter what distance it is away from Earth, changes elevation all over the world during the day.
• It is simultaneously observed by half the Earth.

The scenarios that follow are used to demonstrate speed variances. The height of the Sun for this purpose is not relevant.....

Point one on the globe is where the Sun is directly above:

Just as an example using 3000 miles and the Sun changing from 15 degrees/30 degrees/45 degrees from zenith(directly overhead) - that is 3 one hour movements everywhere on Earth - proven and irrefutable.

Little a is 3000 Big A is 75 degrees - It has travelled 804 miles from zenith. So average 804 mph.

Little a is 3000 Big A is 60 degrees - It has travelled 1730 miles from zenith. 1730-804 =  926. So average 926 mph now!

Little a is 3000 Big A is 45 degrees - It has travelled 3000 miles from zenith. 3000-1730 = 1270. So average 1270 mph now!

Point two simultaneoulsy on the globe is where the Sun is at 75 degrees to observer at its highest elevation:

Little a is 3000 Big A is 60 degrees - It has travelled 1730 miles from zenith. It began 804 miles away from zenith. So average 926 mph.

Little a is 3000 Big A is 45 degrees - It has travelled 3000 miles from zenith. 3000-1730 = 1270. So average 1270 mph now!

Little a is 3000 Big A is 15 degrees - It has travelled 11,200 miles from zenith. 11200-3000 = 8200. So average 8200 mph average now!

In hour 1 at two different points the Sun is travelling 804 mph and 926 mph at the same time!!

In hour 2 at two different points the Sun is travelling 926 mph and 1270 mph at the same time!!

In hour 3 at two different points the Sun is travelling 1270 mph and 8200 mph at the same time!!

Now BASIC mathematics tells us the Sun MUST be covering that distance, so it is not apparent distance. These are actual figures.

HELLO Flat Earthers? Any takers? Why not?

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A request / question..

My Maths is extremely rusty.

There is an accepted formula to measure the amount of fall / curve.

Something something something SQUARED.

This gives the expected curve. Which is a big point that is contested.

I read recently (but didn't totally understand - hence the rusty statement) or saw in a video that the accepted formula doesn't actually give the curve of a BALL. It gives the curve of an oval...? It's an 'exponential formula' hence the oval and not the ball curve..?

Can you please look into this and possibly explain it in a way that anyone and everyone can get their heads around.

Or am I barking up a wrong tree..?

BC

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On 10/1/2020 at 1:48 PM, Comedy Time said:

Just this - this one picture shows the curvature of the Earth.....to anyone with an ounce of honesty and integrity.....

Oh wait, there is far more for bflat to ignore.......

Watch and learn.

Pro globe earth videos can be automatically embedded but Flat earth videos no longer can....Courtesy of You Tube.

Now why would that be I wonder.

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Earth is 70% water.

Water is always level on its surface.

No allowance for curvature is made in bridge and railway construction.

The Panama Canal was built without any regard to curvature....As was the 102 mile long bridge in China.

The earth is flatter than the flattest pancake in Flat Town, Flatsville.

Deal with it.

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37 minutes ago, Ziggy Sawdust said:

I watched. I learnt that even with 12 minutes of video the guy still couldn't explain it. He said they weren't in a straight line, which is completely irrelevant. He said it was an illusion and gave no other reason except that they weren't exactly straight linear.

None of that alters the fact that they disappear over the horizon just like dozens of images of wind turbines, ships and oooh, let's not forget the bleedin' Sun!

37 minutes ago, Ziggy Sawdust said:

Pro globe earth videos can be automatically embedded but Flat earth videos no longer can....Courtesy of You Tube.

Now why would that be I wonder.

Nonsense. Don't attribute your personal failure to accomplish this as factual for everyone.

p.s. That Comedy Time bloke sure kicked everyone's butt didn't he!

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