Alisa Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Has anyone else seen this open letter from Belgian medical health professionals challenging their government officials to investigate the Scamdemic? It's a long read but worth the time. Is this a sign the tides are beginning to turn? What are your thoughts? https://docs4opendebate.be/en/open-letter/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Sawdust Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 For the tide to turn this sort of material has to be seen on MSM but sadly, never will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo102 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 8 hours ago, Alisa said: Is this a sign the tides are beginning to turn? What are your thoughts? It's a positive sign in that people are pursuing activism as a way to to address wrongs. Activism can be subverted of course, it's a good idea to know who your allies are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 8 hours ago, Alisa said: Is this a sign the tides are beginning to turn? What are your thoughts? My thoughts are that if a psychopath was hellbent on steering a ship towards the rocks but you were the only person onboard who knew about the plan they wouldn't change course just because you called them out on their plot nor will they change course if you demand it or threaten them You have to convince enough other people on the boat so that there are enough of you to actually remove their hand from the wheel Whilst other people believe them those people may actually see you as the crazy person and prevent you from getting to the wheel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athenry04 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 People are slowly waking up, but I imagine the shit they are gonna pull in October will send the majority scurrying like rats into the government's arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesuitsdidit Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Wow amazing article Some quotes The Introduction Open letter from medical doctors and health professionals to all Belgian authorities and all Belgian media. September 5th 2020 We, Belgian doctors and health professionals, wish to express our serious concern about the evolution of the situation in the recent months surrounding the outbreak of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. We call on politicians to be independently and critically informed in the decision-making process and in the compulsory implementation of corona-measures. We ask for an open debate, where all experts are represented without any form of censorship. After the initial panic surrounding covid-19, the objective facts now show a completely different picture – there is no medical justification for any emergency policy anymore. The current crisis management has become totally disproportionate and causes more damage than it does any good. We call for an end to all measures and ask for an immediate restoration of our normal democratic governance and legal structures and of all our civil liberties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesuitsdidit Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) Quote 2 It appears that most people already have a congenital or general immunity to e.g. influenza and other viruses. This is confirmed by the findings on the cruise ship Diamond Princess, which was quarantined because of a few passengers who died of Covid-19. Most of the passengers were elderly and were in an ideal situation of transmission on the ship. However, 75% did not appear to be infected. So even in this high-risk group, the majority are resistant to the virus. A study in the journal Cell shows that most people neutralise the coronavirus by mucosal (IgA) and cellular immunity (T-cells), while experiencing few or no symptoms 14. Researchers found up to 60% SARS-Cov-2 reactivity with CD4+T cells in a non-infected population, suggesting cross-reactivity with other cold (corona) viruses.15 Most people therefore already have a congenital or cross-immunity because they were already in contact with variants of the same virus. Edited September 29, 2020 by jesuitsdidit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesuitsdidit Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) Q3 A highly contagious virus with millions of deaths without any treatment? Mortality turned out to be many times lower than expected and close to that of a normal seasonal flu (0.2%). 20 The number of registered corona deaths therefore still seems to be overestimated. There is a difference between death by corona and death with corona. Humans are often carriers of multiple viruses and potentially pathogenic bacteria at the same time. Taking into account the fact that most people who developed serious symptoms suffered from additional pathology, one cannot simply conclude that the corona-infection was the cause of death. This was mostly not taken into account in the statistics. The most vulnerable groups can be clearly identified. The vast majority of deceased patients were 80 years of age or older. The majority (70%) of the deceased, younger than 70 years, had an underlying disorder, such as cardiovascular suffering, diabetes mellitus, chronic lung disease or obesity. The vast majority of infected persons (>98%) did not or hardly became ill or recovered spontaneously. Meanwhile, there is an affordable, safe and efficient therapy available for those who do show severe symptoms of disease in the form of HCQ (hydroxychloroquine), zinc and azithromycin. Rapidly applied this therapy leads to recovery and often prevents hospitalisation. Hardly anyone has to die now. This effective therapy has been confirmed by the clinical experience of colleagues in the field with impressive results. This contrasts sharply with the theoretical criticism (insufficient substantiation by double-blind studies) which in some countries (e.g. the Netherlands) has even led to a ban on this therapy. A meta-analysis in The Lancet, which could not demonstrate an effect of HCQ, was withdrawn. The primary data sources used proved to be unreliable and 2 out of 3 authors were in conflict of interest. However, most of the guidelines based on this study remained unchanged … 48 49 We have serious questions about this state of affairs. In the US, a group of doctors in the field, who see patients on a daily basis, united in “America’s Frontline Doctors” and gave a press conference which has been watched millions of times.21 51 French Prof Didier Raoult of the Institut d’Infectiologie de Marseille (IHU) also presented this promising combination therapy as early as April. Dutch GP Rob Elens, who cured many patients in his practice with HCQ and zinc, called on colleagues in a petition for freedom of therapy.22 The definitive evidence comes from the epidemiological follow-up in Switzerland: mortality rates compared with and without this therapy.23 Edited September 29, 2020 by jesuitsdidit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesuitsdidit Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Q4 From the distressing media images of ARDS (acute respiratory distress syndrome) where people were suffocating and given artificial respiration in agony, we now know that this was caused by an exaggerated immune response with intravascular coagulation in the pulmonary blood vessels. The administration of blood thinners and dexamethasone and the avoidance of artificial ventilation, which was found to cause additional damage to lung tissue, means that this dreaded complication, too, is virtually not fatal anymore. 47 It is therefore not a killer virus, but a well-treatable condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesuitsdidit Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 I could quote more but suggest you read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesuitsdidit Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 https://docs4opendebate.be/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/white-paper-on-hcq-from-AFD.pdf First 2 pages of 28 page PDF Page 1 White Paper on Hydroxychloroquine Dr SimoneGold, MD, JD www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com Introduction: General Consensus HCQ is safe………......................................................1 Rheumatologists Cardiologists Ophthalmologists Safety Studies ...................................................................................................................4 2000-2020 (twenty years) study FDA Database (fifty years) CDC Statement American Heart Association Efficacy Studies (sample) ................................................................................................7 February 19, 2020 March 4, 2020 March 20, 2020 March 22, 2020 March 22, 2020 April 11, 2020 April 13, 2020 April 17, 2020 April 21, 2020 April 24, 2020 April 30, 2000 May 15, 2020 May 16, 2020 June 6, 2020 June 20,2020 June 29, 2020 June 29, 2020 June 30, 2020 July 3, 2020 Corruption of the Scientific Journals ..............................................................................10 Corruption of the Media .................................................................................................12 Censorship of the Public “Town Square” & Surgisphere ............……………………..13 Excessive & Punitive Regulations at the State Level & Off-Label Use ........................13 Misstatements at the Federal Level………………………………………………….…15 Why Has HCQ Been Maligned ……………………………….…………………….…19 Implications for the USA if restrictions on HCQ are not lifted immediately……….....21 Conclusion .....................................................................................................................28 Page 2 Synopsis: This white paper is to draw the reader’s attention to the indisputable safety of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ), an analog of the same quinine found in tree barks that George Washington used to protect his troops. The modern version has been FDA approved for 65 years, has shown remarkable efficacy against SARS-CoV-2 and its use is being wrongly restricted despite the immediate danger to the American people and the rest of the world. We speak in support of immediately reversing the massive, irresponsible disinformation campaign that is literally preventing doctors from dispensing HCQ, advocating as well that it be made available over the counter in the United States. This is logistically easy to do in a manner that ensures the supply and appropriate dispensation. Introduction: The purpose of this white paper is to dispassionately present the evidence regarding the safety and efficacy of hydroxychloroquine and determine its proper role in the current pandemic. General Consensus that Hydroxychloroquine is Safe Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) has been FDA approved for over 65 years and has been used billions of times throughout the entire world without restriction. For many decades it has been given to: pregnant women, breastfeeding women, children, elderly patients, immune compromised patients and healthy persons. In the USA it is used most often in three situations: systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE), rheumatoid arthritis (RA), and as malaria prophylaxis for travelers. These three situations happen to represent three different types of populations. Patients with SLE are immune compromised. Patients with RA are elderly. Travelers are younger and typically healthy. Although all doctors can and do prescribe HCQ, because it is most commonly used for SLE and RA, rheumatology specialists are the physicians in America who prescribe it the most. Although it is in the safest category of medication and it is virtually always safely used, the two most common possible complications fall under the specialty of cardiology and ophthalmology. So let us see what these three types of specialties say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Yes agreed. There is phenomenal experience which we can measure and test by science but there is also noumenal experience - which is still a legitimate experience, but cannot be tested by science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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