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49 minutes ago, Traveller said:

At very least, it's a fair thought. Could explain intentional planetary upheavel or what's called in Mythology, The Clash of the Titans.

the tale of ragnarok seems to be a very detailed accounting

 

49 minutes ago, Traveller said:

My thoughts have been that it is planetary consciousness doing it's thing but could well be a joining of human and planet for the purposes of further creation. For sure, though, many die but some survive.

it comes down to a question of how much energy can you handle, literally, as conscious beings we can learn to steal the power of the sun, but who wants to be oblitterated by a lightning bolt?

 

the stories of the ancients describe a glow emmanating from those who had "seen god", there are paintings of religious leaders from all walks of life that show a "halo" or other energy coming from their body, they were drawing so much energy they were becoming "brown dwarfs", they had a visible plasma sheath

 

its possible that the flesh body could draw enough energy from the local galactic current filament to move the planets, rearrange them as they were during the time of the paradise machine

 

past instructors also allude to the fact that multiple flesh bodies working together are often more powerful than one

 

and of course this is all a mental exercise

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4 hours ago, killing raven sun said:

you mention the electric universe but seem unfamiliar with it

 

most of the standard model of the sun is wrong, mainstream scientists know nothing about how the sun works

 

a dyson sphere relies on a thermonuclear sun, but the sun is electrically powered by intergalactic Birkeland currents

 

it is not possible to build a dyson sphere as it would affect the enegy flow around the sun, at a certain size it would draw current away from the sun and start to burn

 

there is a way to make a small mechanical sun here on earth that may provide endless energy, see the SAFIRE thread

I haven't mentioned the electric universe as you are correct I'm unfamiliar with it although a quick read of screaming's thread showed clear correlation.  For whatever reason....I like learning on my own...And letting the pieces fall together. So although I've scan read screaming's thread I feel very firmly I have to learn and share more about kardashev..(without being swayed by opinion)....and dark stars....civilisation types ....planetry movements (deliberate) AI and the potential human genetic dna damage it could cause.

 

That's why I'm talking about kardeshev scales. 

 

I assume you're talking about fusion energy for your mini sun? Yes already being trialled in Oxford. I'll take a look at that thread thanks. I'd missed that. Thank you x 

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2 hours ago, killing raven sun said:

the tale of ragnarok seems to be a very detailed accounting

 

it comes down to a question of how much energy can you handle, literally, as conscious beings we can learn to steal the power of the sun, but who wants to be oblitterated by a lightning bolt?

 

the stories of the ancients describe a glow emmanating from those who had "seen god", there are paintings of religious leaders from all walks of life that show a "halo" or other energy coming from their body, they were drawing so much energy they were becoming "brown dwarfs", they had a visible plasma sheath

 

its possible that the flesh body could draw enough energy from the local galactic current filament to move the planets, rearrange them as they were during the time of the paradise machine

 

past instructors also allude to the fact that multiple flesh bodies working together are often more powerful than one

 

and of course this is all a mental exercise

Looked up Ragnorak before but never persevered. Will look again

 

Alot of the ancient monuments seem to have similar properties to orgone devices. Long Barrows, for instance, can potentially control or, rather, settle weather. As one Irish farmer replied when asked why he ferried his cattle over to the island where the local Round Tower was constructed, "Ah to be sure the grass is greener over thar". So weather control, of a sorts, is likely a long held tradition. Also Towers and Long Barrows can settle tectonics by releasing and direct pent up Earth energies. As can roofs on houses. All corners direct chi in feng shui and also, specifically here with Pyramids, can release subterranean pressures and setlle environments. So, it's likely here that's what's propsed can be achieved with ancient or new (orgone devices/cosmic pipes) devices used correctly. So for weather and tectonics, the knowledge is already there, perhaps. I would guess that using nano particles to control weather is not so enlightened.

 

I'd guess the universe is locked pretty tight, ipso facto, and without reaching a level of humane enlightenment, we aint playing around with anything. That would need to come first.

 

Dyson spheres would likely be impossible too due to the Birkeland current question. No Star is, or can be, an island. Turn the switch off and the light goes out. It's kind of mechanistic science being applied to a potentially novel idea already in place elsewhere and getting it a tad wrong, perhaps. Never beren a Musk fan either.

 

Don't like the idea of stealing energy from the Sun. Has to be some kind of conscious involvement from all sides. One thing I've found missing in the EU is the talk of Celestial Consciousness. As if events like Ragnorak are mishap, purely destructive and having no intelligent design or intent.

 

As I understand it, the Halo, or more light entering the body and being visible, occurs when more consciousness enters the physical body which presently only happens at intervals. Interesting you mention them becoming a Brown Dwarf. The Golden Age may have existed whilst orbiting a Brown Dwarf (Saturn). One wonders that if mankind were again able to reach a level of Global Enlightenment, would the current Sun disconnect, in part, it's Birkeland current and allow Earth to return to orbiting a Brown Dwarf? Maybe not like that but another thing the EU doesn't address is, what comes next? If upheavels and Golden Ages occurred before, they'll likely happen again and where? It's my guess that these levels correspond with the level of golbal consciousness more so than technical advancement which is, ultimately, hindered by the idea of selfish gain.

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52 minutes ago, Traveller said:

Don't like the idea of stealing energy from the Sun. Has to be some kind of conscious involvement from all sides.

we are the sun

 

so technically we can do whatever we want with it

 

54 minutes ago, Traveller said:

As I understand it, the Halo, or more light entering the body and being visible, occurs when more consciousness enters the physical body which presently only happens at intervals.

an often misunderstood subject is consciousness, and the concept that it can be put to measure, consciousness is simply the act of interacting with your environment, each life form does this to their ability, our level of enviromental interaction includes the ability to talk to the intuition and receive direct instruction, otherwise we are mostly animals

 

1 hour ago, Traveller said:

If upheavels and Golden Ages occurred before, they'll likely happen again

no, they wont, the paradise machine was created, then it was destroyed, if it is possible to recreate it then we would need to learn how to do that, but there is not enough time left, its likely the sun will nova soon and wipe the earth clean, like mars, and our life energy will go somewhere else

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12 hours ago, killing raven sun said:

we are the sun

 

so technically we can do whatever we want with it

 

You believe we are the Sun. It's the word steal I had issue with. Never sounds fair, does it? Technically, we may able to do as we wish with it. Theosophy claims all Suns are reflections of the central Sun. I'm not sure I go with that or it even contradicts your statement. In some respects, there may be nothing in the universe that we are not.

 

20 minutes ago, Traveller said:

an often misunderstood subject is consciousness, and the concept that it can be put to measure, consciousness is simply the act of interacting with your environment, each life form does this to their ability, our level of enviromental interaction includes the ability to talk to the intuition and receive direct instruction, otherwise we are mostly animals

 

I'm basing what I said on reading second hand accounts of Krishnamurti having light enter into him. One of those accounts was explained by him as "he wanted to see how much of him could come". So not sure it's a measure so much. Certainly, and from other second hand accounts, on the way to a talk he would appear to grow in stature and deflate (lol) afterwards. So there were transferences of consciousness of some kind.

 

12 hours ago, killing raven sun said:

no, they wont, the paradise machine was created, then it was destroyed, if it is possible to recreate it then we would need to learn how to do that, but there is not enough time left, its likely the sun will nova soon and wipe the earth clean, like mars, and our life energy will go somewhere else

 

Let's not make hard fast statements. It may happen, at very least and, you may be correct. Nova in the EU sense, I take it, which is not an explosion per se. Sun's can nova more than once as has been found. Still, it would destroy Earth. I couldn't see the point of it and there would appear to be no intelligent design in coming this far just to extinguish it. That would make all this a mistake in some respects. Quite a few folk having NDEs speak of a very bright future for humankind. As did Steiner. He put it around 2700 AD where global enlightenment would be established. How to create paradise on Earth is quite simple, a few drop the self, become realised and fisher king and shepherd the rest.

 

I think we're veering quite off topic now. I'd continue this elsewhere.

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To summarise the basics of type 0 and type 1 civilisations for those whom the videos are too lengthy. This from physicist and futurist Michio Kaku

 

For example, a Type I civilization is a truly planetary one, which has mastered most forms of planetary energy. Their energy output may be on the order of thousands to millions of times our current planetary output. Mark Twain once said, ”Everyone complains about the weather, but no one does anything about it.“ This may change with a Type I civilization, which has enough energy to modify the weather. They also have enough energy to alter the course of earthquakes, volcanoes, and build cities on their oceans.

Currently, our energy output qualifies us for Type 0 status. We derive our energy not from harnessing global forces, but by burning dead plants (e.g. oil and coal). But already, we can see the seeds of a Type I civilization. We see the beginning of a planetary language (English), a planetary communication system (the Internet), a planetary economy (the forging of the European Union), and even the beginnings of a planetary culture (via mass media, TV, rock music, and Hollywood films).

By definition, an advanced civilization must grow faster than the frequency of life-threatening catastrophes. Since large meteor and comet impacts take place once every few thousand years, a Type I civilization must master space travel to deflect space debris within that time frame, which should not be much of a problem. Ice ages may take place on a time scale of tens of thousands of years, so a Type I civilization must learn to modify the weather within that time frame.

Artificial and internal catastrophes must also be negotiated. But the problem of global pollution is only a mortal threat for a Type 0 civilization; a Type I civilization has lived for several millennia as a planetary civilization, necessarily achieving ecological planetary balance. Internal problems like wars do pose a serious recurring threat, but they have thousands of years in which to solve racial, national, and sectarian conflicts.

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On 11/17/2020 at 1:59 PM, killing raven sun said:

you mention the electric universe but seem unfamiliar with it

 

most of the standard model of the sun is wrong, mainstream scientists know nothing about how the sun works

 

a dyson sphere relies on a thermonuclear sun, but the sun is electrically powered by intergalactic Birkeland currents

 

it is not possible to build a dyson sphere as it would affect the enegy flow around the sun, at a certain size it would draw current away from the sun and start to burn

 

there is a way to make a small mechanical sun here on earth that may provide endless energy, see the SAFIRE thread

Here on the fusion experiment already switched on and working. Clean energy for all.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54741375

 

"A pioneering nuclear fusion experiment based in Oxfordshire has been switched on for the first time.

Mast Upgrade could clear some of the hurdles to delivering clean, limitless energy for the grid.

Fusion differs from fission, the technology used by existing nuclear power plants, because it could release vast amounts of energy with little associated radioactivity.

The £55m machine has taken seven years to build.

Current nuclear energy relies on fission, where a heavy chemical element is split to produce lighter ones.

But nuclear fusion works by combining two light elements to make a heavier one. It's an attempt to replicate the processes of the Sun here on Earth.

Unlike fission, it produces no long-lived radioactive waste and could transform the way we source our power - tackling the climate crisis at the same time.

Largest nuclear fusion project begins assembly

Nuclear fusion: 'A question of when, not if'

Mast (Mega Amp Spherical Tokamak) Upgrade will use an innovative design known as a spherical tokamak.Inside the tokamak, where plasmas are controlled by magnetic fields

The tokamak is a fusion device that uses magnetic fields to confine the plasma - hot, ionised gas - inside a vessel. This plasma allows the light elements to fuse and yield energy.

Most tokamaks are shaped like a doughnut. But in Mast Upgrade, the size of the doughnut's hole has been reduced as much as possible, giving the plasma an almost spherical profile.

Prof Ian Chapman, chief executive of the UK Atomic Energy Authority (UKAEA), said the switch-on was "a really momentous occasion".

The first plasma in the machine marks the start for this trailblazing effort to move the UK closer to building a fusion power plant. It's one thing to control a plasma and perform fusion. But it's another to generate more energy out of the reaction than the experiment puts in.

The Culham Centre for Fusion Energy is home to both Mast Upgrade and a fusion machine called JET (the Joint European Torus). JET uses the more conventional design, and was the precursor to a multi-billion-euro, international fusion machine called Iter. This latter project is one of the world's biggest science experiments, which will demonstrate fusion at scale."

 

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The SAFIRE Project, if I may, is not being carried out for the purposes of creating fusion. Not that you're saying that's the important point here. Fusion may be a byproduct more so. I followed the Project at first and think it has merits for sure but in relatiion to this subject, I reckon going straight to Don Scot's Electric Sun makes more sense as it's not experimental https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kin9zqPMPaI

 

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