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Study finds chlormequat in Cheerios and Quaker products

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2024/02/16/what-is-chlormequat-chemical-pesticide-cheerios-quaker-oats/72627355007/

 

Some prior studies have found that chlormequat is linked to infertility, disrupted fetal growth, delayed puberty and disruptions to the metabolic system. However, these studies were performed on mice and rats and have not been conducted on or translated to humans.

 

Chlormequat is not approved for use on edible plants in the U.S. However, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) decided in 2018 to allow the importation of foods treated with the chemical. It is approved for use on food crops, mostly grains, in the European Union, the United Kingdom and Canada.

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https://greenmedinfo.com/content/90-us-cheese-contains-gmo-made-

 

There are four types of rennet used in the cheese-making industry: animal rennet, vegetable rennet, microbial rennet and FPC (a GMO version).

GM rennet apparently doesn't have to be labelled. -

-- US

bioengineered FPC was granted GRAS status 

( not sure if in UK ?)

 

J Mercola suggested could affect persons gut health or in sensitive people 

 Whereas

True vegetable rennet is derived from plants that possess coagulation enzymes. These plant extracts have been used as milk coagulants since ancient times. Some examples include cardoon thistle,fig tree bark or nettles.

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  • Your body is designed to be healthy. It’s not designed to get diseased. That only happens because you’re not providing the foundational elements required for self-healing. If you have a healthy metabolism, you will not have chronic pain anywhere, and energy to spare
  • Metabolically healthy people also tend to be perpetually curious. You must have enough energy to be curious, and most people don’t have enough energy because they’re metabolically poisoned. Optimism is another feature commonly found among healthy people

 

https://media.mercola.com/ImageServer/Public/2024/May/PDF/keys-to-trusting-your-gut-pdf.pdf

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2 hours ago, Katsika said:
  • Your body is designed to be healthy. It’s not designed to get diseased. That only happens because you’re not providing the foundational elements required for self-healing. If you have a healthy metabolism, you will not have chronic pain anywhere, and energy to spare
  • Metabolically healthy people also tend to be perpetually curious. You must have enough energy to be curious, and most people don’t have enough energy because they’re metabolically poisoned. Optimism is another feature commonly found among healthy people

 

https://media.mercola.com/ImageServer/Public/2024/May/PDF/keys-to-trusting-your-gut-pdf.pdf

Hmm personally I think that's a bit simplistic. I know plenty of folk who have those traits and yet still have various body issues. They have it because they are hanging on to mental trauma which ultimately manifests as disease or malfunction. 

Holding on to past trauma is the root of most illness unless you eat really shitty food and poison yourself in other ways.

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10 hours ago, RobinJ said:

Hmm personally I think that's a bit simplistic. I know plenty of folk who have those traits and yet still have various body issues. They have it because they are hanging on to mental trauma which ultimately manifests as disease or malfunction. 

Holding on to past trauma is the root of most illness unless you eat really shitty food and poison yourself in other ways.

I would agree. Obviously the food you eat is crucial, but underlying stress and trauma will cause havoc with your body. So many people are carrying around unhealed trauma and many don't even know it. Add to that, we live in a Matrix designed to cause you stress and chaos and once again, after years of this, you may not even realize you are stressed as it becomes the default state. 

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12 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

I would agree. Obviously the food you eat is crucial, but underlying stress and trauma will cause havoc with your body. So many people are carrying around unhealed trauma and many don't even know it. Add to that, we live in a Matrix designed to cause you stress and chaos and once again, after years of this, you may not even realize you are stressed as it becomes the default state. 

Yep. 100%

I have a friend who had a lot of various forms of mental abuse from parents and later on from partners who were narcissists.

 

She has convinced herself she has a load of bodily ailments. She spends hours every day focused in healing and has tried everything from food to energetic healing modalities. Nothing seems to work.

Personally I think it is so much a part of her now, this obsession with healing, that she hangs on to trauma because its comfortable and gives her great excuses to be quite controlling herself. She often sets up excuses in advance as to why she can't drive far, or socialise unless its on her terms. In reality, she's a recluse but can't admit it.

Her trauma is so comfortable she can't let go, because without it, her whole foundation crumbles.

 

Letting go of trauma is the real freedom we should be searching for.

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9 hours ago, RobinJ said:

Yep. 100%

I have a friend who had a lot of various forms of mental abuse from parents and later on from partners who were narcissists.

 

She has convinced herself she has a load of bodily ailments. She spends hours every day focused in healing and has tried everything from food to energetic healing modalities. Nothing seems to work.

Personally I think it is so much a part of her now, this obsession with healing, that she hangs on to trauma because its comfortable and gives her great excuses to be quite controlling herself. She often sets up excuses in advance as to why she can't drive far, or socialise unless its on her terms. In reality, she's a recluse but can't admit it.

Her trauma is so comfortable she can't let go, because without it, her whole foundation crumbles.

 

Letting go of trauma is the real freedom we should be searching for.

Exactly! A good portion of my posts on here over the last couple of years have been about the need for us all to heal our trauma and our shadow. Without doing that we are likely to be operating from a low frequency even if we are 'awake' to the 'ills of the World/Matrix' because conscious awareness is not really enough. The reason that this 'Matrix' is built in the way it is, is to cause trauma in individuals, particularly to children as early as possible so they carry that trauma (and its impact) for the rest of their lives (and as we know, children are LEAST equipped to deal with it). 

 

Trauma creates a low vibration energy and unless they heal they will continue to live from that low vibration frequency forever because it does not miraculously heal itself. 'Hurt people hurt people' is often the by-product of traumatised people going on to the hurt other people because they have unmet needs that they project on to others, unhealed attachment styles, addictions, anger issues and inability to regulate emotions and a host of other things we inflict on others that we 'love' because we have not healed our trauma or shadow. 

 

It is very sad when that trauma and wounding manifest as physical ailments (or mental of course) and have become a massive part of that persons identity. It may also be that those physical ailments are easier to focus on, than the real core issues. Very sad to see and what a waste of potential for healing and for a human/Soul. 

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3 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

Exactly! A good portion of my posts on here over the last couple of years have been about the need for us all to heal our trauma and our shadow. Without doing that we are likely to be operating from a low frequency even if we are 'awake' to the 'ills of the World/Matrix' because conscious awareness is not really enough. The reason that this 'Matrix' is built in the way it is, is to cause trauma in individuals, particularly to children as early as possible so they carry that trauma (and its impact) for the rest of their lives (and as we know, children are LEAST equipped to deal with it). 

 

Trauma creates a low vibration energy and unless they heal they will continue to live from that low vibration frequency forever because it does not miraculously heal itself. 'Hurt people hurt people' is often the by-product of traumatised people going on to the hurt other people because they have unmet needs that they project on to others, unhealed attachment styles, addictions, anger issues and inability to regulate emotions and a host of other things we inflict on others that we 'love' because we have not healed our trauma or shadow. 

 

It is very sad when that trauma and wounding manifest as physical ailments (or mental of course) and have become a massive part of that persons identity. It may also be that those physical ailments are easier to focus on, than the real core issues. Very sad to see and what a waste of potential for healing and for a human/Soul. 

Yeah. And you can see plenty of unhealed trauma in this very forum.  Its easier to see it in others when you have done a lot to try lift yourself out of it though. 

I do wonder if trauma is a kind of drug to some folks, for want of a better expression. Its like a form of crack, they get sympathy and all sorts from the perpetual woe is me mindset which makes them want another fix like a self fulfilling cycle. Breaking patterns is key IMO.

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4 hours ago, RobinJ said:

Yeah. And you can see plenty of unhealed trauma in this very forum.  Its easier to see it in others when you have done a lot to try lift yourself out of it though. 

I do wonder if trauma is a kind of drug to some folks, for want of a better expression. Its like a form of crack, they get sympathy and all sorts from the perpetual woe is me mindset which makes them want another fix like a self fulfilling cycle. Breaking patterns is key IMO.

It is a fine balance isn't it; being aware of your trauma so you can heal it, but not letting your trauma define you, hold you back, and become your identity. Maybe for those people, the only time they meet someone who cares, is when they are portraying that 'victim' role. I have known a few of them, sometimes it is very subtle.

 

We have to remember that most of these 'strategies' that we see in the adult to get attention/care/love/sympathy, often started in childhood as the child adopted a way to get their needs met. Of course a child often has a limited capacity to choose a better option and if it 'worked' then they keep repeating that pattern and often don't even know they are even doing this in adulthood - it is the default way of operating. So what we see in the present with the adult, is really the child part f them repeating what worked. The problem is, that no amount of needs met in adulthood will heal the childhood wounds or trauma, you have to heal that. 

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15 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

It is a fine balance isn't it; being aware of your trauma so you can heal it, but not letting your trauma define you, hold you back, and become your identity. Maybe for those people, the only time they meet someone who cares, is when they are portraying that 'victim' role. I have known a few of them, sometimes it is very subtle.

 

We have to remember that most of these 'strategies' that we see in the adult to get attention/care/love/sympathy, often started in childhood as the child adopted a way to get their needs met. Of course a child often has a limited capacity to choose a better option and if it 'worked' then they keep repeating that pattern and often don't even know they are even doing this in adulthood - it is the default way of operating. So what we see in the present with the adult, is really the child part f them repeating what worked. The problem is, that no amount of needs met in adulthood will heal the childhood wounds or trauma, you have to heal that. 

Indeed, and most are still running those childhood programs. I just watched a channelled who touching on this very subject.

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5 hours ago, RobinJ said:

Indeed, and most are still running those childhood programs. I just watched a channelled who touching on this very subject.

Yep, it is crazy how the old programs run so deep; so deep that you can not even realize that it IS a program. If that program has been running since you were 6 or 7, it becomes so ingrained and so deep in to your personality, persona, identity, ego, that many would struggle to even know there is a program running. It takes a huge amount of focus and effort to identify the programs and then to change them. 

 

Even if you are 'awake' it doesn't mean just because you have identified programs 'out there' that they will make the connection that they themselves are running on old programs. I was lucky though, my circumstances and life direction led me to a path of actually needing to heal rather than it being a 'nice thing to overcome'. And I was lucky that a path that opened up, was all about healing your old wounds. Yes, I also took responsibility, I followed the clues, and put in a bloody hell of a lot of hard work, but I was probably lucky that the path sort of opened up for me and led the way. 

 

Edited to add a minute after posting the above 🤣 - I should clarify that there were elements of luck but I also don't want to downplay my determination, dedication, willingness to face reality, and willingness to look the fear, terror and shadow straight in the eye. It is a lot of Warrior Spirit, but some luck though for sure. It is important to honour ourselves and the hard work we do in taking responsibility for ourselves and our lives/Soul journey. I didn't want to downplay anyone who has gone through that deep examination of themselves, nor myself. 

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19 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

Yep, it is crazy how the old programs run so deep; so deep that you can not even realize that it IS a program. If that program has been running since you were 6 or 7, it becomes so ingrained and so deep in to your personality, persona, identity, ego, that many would struggle to even know there is a program running. It takes a huge amount of focus and effort to identify the programs and then to change them. 

 

Even if you are 'awake' it doesn't mean just because you have identified programs 'out there' that they will make the connection that they themselves are running on old programs. I was lucky though, my circumstances and life direction led me to a path of actually needing to heal rather than it being a 'nice thing to overcome'. And I was lucky that a path that opened up, was all about healing your old wounds. Yes, I also took responsibility, I followed the clues, and put in a bloody hell of a lot of hard work, but I was probably lucky that the path sort of opened up for me and led the way. 

 

Edited to add a minute after posting the above 🤣 - I should clarify that there were elements of luck but I also don't want to downplay my determination, dedication, willingness to face reality, and willingness to look the fear, terror and shadow straight in the eye. It is a lot of Warrior Spirit, but some luck though for sure. It is important to honour ourselves and the hard work we do in taking responsibility for ourselves and our lives/Soul journey. I didn't want to downplay anyone who has gone through that deep examination of themselves, nor myself. 

Yep, 100% agree. Same for me.

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19 hours ago, Katsika said:

How is any of this related to the title of the thread?

Given humans ARE the food source for the true 'rulers' of this 'Earth' and they feed most on the lower vibrations, then it probably is equally relevant (if not more so) than if salmon or an apple is good for you. 

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6 hours ago, RobinJ said:

If you scroll back a couple of posts you'll see :-)

I have done - for the last several posts you've been having a conversation with BFNA about the importance of healing trauma.

 

 

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16 hours ago, Katsika said:

I have done - for the last several posts you've been having a conversation with BFNA about the importance of healing trauma.

 

 

We were talking about how food does not heal. How is that not related to the topic?

There are various food fads (which are mostly just control issues looking for an outlet) which don't usually help at all with uncleared emotional trauma. Veganism for example, is the current fad around food.

I've seen more folks get sick from veganism than anything else, particularly young women. Most vegans I've met are needing a control outlet. It fills that need. Healing trauma isn't done with food. A food fad can be the excuse not to face your demons.

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Obviously food is important and it is probably more important what NOT to eat, than what TO eat. But we have all known people who emotionally eat and even if they miraculously stopped eating rubbish and ate a really healthy diet it would only last a short time unless they heal the underlying reasons for their emotional eating. I worked with a colleague who only seemed to eat sugared foods, or at least a tiny portion of something resembling food and then 3 or 4 things containing sugar. It was obvious that she was carrying a lot of trauma and wounds from the past and sought comfort in food. You could change her diet (which would be a good thing to a degree) but what would happen to all that stress when you remove the pacifying foods that give at least temporary relief? It is like whack a mole, you need to get to the root of the issue which quite often is trauma/and or stress. 

 

I will admit to emotionally eating, same as my siblings which came from coming from a home with little food in the cupboard and then being spoilt once a week at our grandparents with all sorts of 'goodies'. It set us all up for those 'rewards' and treats. I read something a few years ago along the lines of 'as soon as you seek pleasure in food, you are in trouble'. I think there is some truth to this, it is dangerous territory. Instagram is full of such things as people seek out pleasure and highs from food and most of them are deserts. 

 

 

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On 5/10/2024 at 5:27 AM, BornFreeNowAgain said:

Obviously food is important and it is probably more important what NOT to eat, than what TO eat. But we have all known people who emotionally eat and even if they miraculously stopped eating rubbish and ate a really healthy diet it would only last a short time unless they heal the underlying reasons for their emotional eating. I worked with a colleague who only seemed to eat sugared foods, or at least a tiny portion of something resembling food and then 3 or 4 things containing sugar. It was obvious that she was carrying a lot of trauma and wounds from the past and sought comfort in food. You could change her diet (which would be a good thing to a degree) but what would happen to all that stress when you remove the pacifying foods that give at least temporary relief? It is like whack a mole, you need to get to the root of the issue which quite often is trauma/and or stress. 

 

I will admit to emotionally eating, same as my siblings which came from coming from a home with little food in the cupboard and then being spoilt once a week at our grandparents with all sorts of 'goodies'. It set us all up for those 'rewards' and treats. I read something a few years ago along the lines of 'as soon as you seek pleasure in food, you are in trouble'. I think there is some truth to this, it is dangerous territory. Instagram is full of such things as people seek out pleasure and highs from food and most of them are deserts. 

 

 

Yup I’m like this, it’s like a rollercoaster. 
 

I’ll eat really healthily for three or four days, just fruit, veg, pulses and grains like quinoa, lentils and buckwheat etc no sugar no bread and I’ll lose weight, start feeling super active and fit, then I’ll get cravings for fat and sugar so I knock up a big batch of bread to fry then marinade and flour up a couple of chicken breasts then fry them for a crispy chicken sandwich (my signature) which I’ll over eat, especially with mayo and ketchup, usually with shaved Parmesan and fried onions and mushrooms in the sandwich, plus coriander and rocket, if I want to get particularly fat I’ll fry up some garlic potatoes in butter too. It’s a fast food craving from the past- the smell of maccy Ds and watching cooking shows usually trigger it too, but sometimes you just need that fatty goodness. 
After that I’ll balloon up for four or five days, then go back to the healthy regime. 


It’s difficult to eat super healthy all the time, finding a middle ground is something I need to work on. 
 

Tonight I’m having curried cauliflower cheese with buckwheat and quinoa added to the mix. Should be scrummy 

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14 minutes ago, LastOneLeftInTheCounty said:

Yup I’m like this, it’s like a rollercoaster. 
 

I’ll eat really healthily for three or four days, just fruit, veg, pulses and grains like quinoa, lentils and buckwheat etc no sugar no bread and I’ll lose weight, start feeling super active and fit, then I’ll get cravings for fat and sugar so I knock up a big batch of bread to fry then marinade and flour up a couple of chicken breasts then fry them for a crispy chicken sandwich (my signature) which I’ll over eat, especially with mayo and ketchup, usually with shaved Parmesan and fried onions and mushrooms in the sandwich, plus coriander and rocket, if I want to get particularly fat I’ll fry up some garlic potatoes in butter too. It’s a fast food craving from the past- the smell of maccy Ds and watching cooking shows usually trigger it too😂 but sometimes you just need that fatty goodness. 
After that I’ll balloon up for four or five days, then go back to the healthy regime. 


It’s difficult to eat super healthy all the time, finding a middle ground is something I need to work on. 
 

Tonight I’m having curried cauliflower cheese with buckwheat and quinoa added to the mix. Should be scrummy 

 

You are making me hungry. 😆 Garlic potato!! mnnn yum yum

You need to make yourself so that you can eat all of the above and not get fat like the Architect who drinks six bottles of beer everyday. 😁

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The thing which worked for me was intermittent fasting. It fits well with when I like to eat so is really easy. I simply moved my eating times. 7-8 am big breakfast, maybe a coffee around 11,  2-4 ish big lunch/ dinner. No more food except maybe fruit. It gives your body lots of time to digest, clean up and heal issues. Go to bed on empty stomach, really great for internal healing because between 10pm-3 am is max body repair time.

Lost a ton of weight and didn't change my diet. Having said that I eat very little processed food. Its made to be addictive.

Now I live off grid it fits in nicely with when my peak solar power is available too 😀 

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5 hours ago, RobinJ said:

The thing which worked for me was intermittent fasting. It fits well with when I like to eat so is really easy. I simply moved my eating times. 7-8 am big breakfast, maybe a coffee around 11,  2-4 ish big lunch/ dinner. No more food except maybe fruit. It gives your body lots of time to digest, clean up and heal issues. Go to bed on empty stomach, really great for internal healing because between 10pm-3 am is max body repair time.

Lost a ton of weight and didn't change my diet. Having said that I eat very little processed food. Its made to be addictive.

Now I live off grid it fits in nicely with when my peak solar power is available too 😀 

Yes intermittent fasting is good I’ve tried it a couple of times, but sometimes give in to the sugar/carb cravings at night. 
The three day fast recommended by Makis was amazing, I lost a ton of weight, eyes sparkling, felt light as a feather, it’s just you have to get in a particular mind frame to complete the whole three days, and it also doesn’t meld well with extreme outdoor physical activity/work which is what I usually have to do. 

Defo agree going to bed on an empty stomach is the best thing to do, I find I can’t sleep with a belly full of food sloshing around. I also have minimal contact with processed food, the most processed things I eat are bread flour, butter, Greek youghurt, but sometimes the cravings get the better of me and I’ll buy a pack of bourbons. Naughty! 
 

I read somewhere that humans aren’t supposed to have three big square meals a day, we’re used to eating a load of meat and veg (from a kill) then going hungry for a day or two whilst we hunt the next meal.

The digestive system isn’t meant to be working non stop 24hrs a day, it needs a break, otherwise bad fermentation and rot will happen, which is what you see nowadays with obese people stuffing denatured junk food into their mouths non stop-but they’re always hungry-because there is no electrical activity in the cells and molecules of ‘dead’ beige junk food, so the body needs to expend massive amounts of energy producing gastric juices/enzymes so electrical conductivity can occur in solution, which is how the body absorbs nutrients and minerals through the gut by osmosis. The cells in fruit and veg are still alive, bustling with electrical activity/conductivity, so the body needs to produce minimal enzymes to digest them as all the nutrients are instantly bio available, they’re ready to go as is.

Ive known plenty of people who were obese, constantly eating junk but were malnourished. They just didn’t get it. And yes there is definitely an addiction factor to this processed garbage 👍

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11 hours ago, LastOneLeftInTheCounty said:

Yeah, portion control! 

 

nah that's boring. The ultimate is eat what you want and not get fat.

He said he loves chips, cakes, curry and beer. Say no more, I love them too and Mayo. 😉 That's a typical British diet imo. 😁

 

Intermittent fasting is good. Mind you, if you do physical work it may be difficult but if you eat meat, it lasts longer than the veggie diet.

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