Evolution is a Masonic Lie Hiding Intelligent Design

[amy G]

I found this insightful and for an hour long video, there is a ton of information here. He does a great job connecting the dots to the massive hoax that is evolution as just another freemason scam.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L944UATY2QQ&feature=emb_logo

[Ecki Divad]

Just my general opinion, but evolution seems intuitively correct to me.  I don't perceive any underlying agenda in the basic idea, other than a desire to understand things. 

 

There are clearly close similarities between Man and other higher primates.  Convergent evolution is plausible and will explain some of it, but it does seem that the likelihood is that we have branched-off from the primate family and developed advanced motor skills, then intelligence, as adaptations, leading to the emergence of homo sapiens sapiens.

 

At the same time, I must admit that the idea of humans as uniquely special and separate from the animal kingdom is attractive.  Evolution is not a very attractive idea and has unpleasant policy implications, and a part of me wishes it weren't true, but the honest part of me has to admit that it very probably is true.  One flaw with evolutionary theory is that it is not supported by observation, and maybe cannot be to any great extent.  It is a theory, but at the same time, there is lots of evidence to support it, and it seems to make sense, which I think makes it a bit more than just a theory: it's also close to accepted fact and canon, and rightly so in my view, though it will always be open to falsification, again rightly. 

 

Contrary to what some ethologists/biologists say, including Dawkins, I think evolutionary theory does disprove the existence of a supernatural creationist god.  Dawkins says that, in theory, evolution does not strictly disprove 'creation' as a broad concept because the origin form of life may have been created, but if you really think about it, logically a divine creator cannot exist if evolution is true.  It would require pre-evolved life, which is impossible if evolution occurred, because it is simply illogical.  Yet even some people who advocate intelligent design or some form of creation theory often concede that living things evolve.  Logic often has to give way to politics, in the interests of social harmony.

 

Note: I haven't watched the video.

Edited September 23, 2020 by Ecki Divad

[chud]

 

 

The best proof of evolution was its most famous promoter himself…

 

 

But there's something men couldn't explain themselves so as ever in such a case they took refuge in 'faith'. It hadn't ever been such a concern until then and the bad side of that 'discovery' was anthropology and its abuses among which the birth of 'racial' discrimination, meanwhile the believer attributed what's called the 'human soul' to divine intervention and thus rejected evolution, but if you think about it both creationist and evolutionist grew the exact same bias and prejudice against 'inferior beings' whether animals or men in a time when dark skinned people weren't supposed to have a 'soul'.

 

Animals do 'trade' or have social life, insects build whole cities and 'factories' so what's left to humans that could be of 'divine' origin ?

 

What do we know if ants or spiders will not take over and rule one day ? All what we invented never allowed us to compete with animal's physical abilities and powers, so we're STILL inferior beings on Earth...

 

 

Edited September 23, 2020 by chud

[Messenger]

I have evolved considerably with my beliefs regarding food since I was guided to a few particular people back in 2016 and I can tell you straight up that no freemasons played a part in my food awakening. lol

 

Sorry but NASA and freemasons are not the culprits for every little thing. Evolution is real in a sense of acquiring knowledge and thus making decisions based on new information.

[chud]

read the latest 'COVID VACCINE EMERGENCY' thread... they made even human soul a 'godly gene' not to call it a 'virus'...

[amy G]

10 hours ago, Ecki Divad said:

Note: I haven't watched the video.

I would be interested in your thoughts after you have. I believed much like you just a short time ago.

 

6 hours ago, Messenger said:

I have evolved considerably with my beliefs regarding food since I was guided to a few particular people back in 2016 and I can tell you straight up that no freemasons played a part in my food awakening. lol

 

Sorry but NASA and freemasons are not the culprits for every little thing. Evolution is real in a sense of acquiring knowledge and thus making decisions based on new information.

This about whether explosions create things and whether even one species has ever turned into another. But more importantly, it is about how easy it for freemasons to get most people believing insanely absurd ideas and calling it 'science.'

[Seeker]

Evolution of humans doesn’t make sense to me.... Lose it’s fur so the human has to kill another animal for its fur to stay warm isn’t adapting to its environment. Certain genes like the foxp2 gene coming out of nowhere is bizarre too. Also cats having snake genetics doesn’t add up either 

[alexa]

No we never evolved from monkeys & the big bang theory is a load of  tripe & yes I believe that the Freemasons are behind pushing this narrative. 

[alexa]

 

[rideforever]

Evolution does occur but you have to take into account the evolution of the consciousness of beings as well, normally people only talk about the evolution of bodies.

 

If you in your lifetime allow yourself to degenerate then so will your children be.  They will be degenerate like you.  But if you live well so will your children.

 

It is a continuous process.  You are a living conscious system right now, you have inputs, air, food, experiences .... what do you do with them?  What is your output.  It's up to you, you can try or you can be slob.

 

If you include such things then evolution begins to makes sense.  It is not blind, it is according to the wisdom and good natureness of the individual.

 

But, it is true that humans are in general very silly with silly minds, therefore we cannot fully trust any history, for instance of the Sphinx.

 

Humans somehow hate the truth, they don't want to know that people in the past might have been smarter because they were wiser more conscious and lived better.  To know that is to ... know the ugliness of how you live.  Humans love to bury that kind of knowledge.

 

If you wish God it is not for free, it does not cost money .... it costs everything and then its for free.

 

[Ecki Divad]

6 hours ago, amy G said:

I would be interested in your thoughts after you have. I believed much like you just a short time ago.

 

This about whether explosions create things and whether even one species has ever turned into another. But more importantly, it is about how easy it for freemasons to get most people believing insanely absurd ideas and calling it 'science.'

 

Darwinian evolution does not say that 'one species turns into another'.  Maybe you are just expressing things loosely in that sentence, but you should make sure you understand the idea before you attack it.  (I don't mean that as an attack on you personally, it's a common mistake and I'm just trying to help).

 

This is not simply about what you and I believe, or want to believe.  We are not discussing religion or national allegiance or who supports which football club.  This is about what the available evidence indicates to us, and what our logical sense and experiences (and even intuition) tell us.  I don't necessarily want evolution to be true, but all the indications are that some sort of evolution takes place among all living things over varied spans of time. 

 

The idea of human beings as conceived in Immaculate Perfection (which is what, at root, you must believe if you reject evolution) is in some ways attractive, but it is also contrary to all reason and human experience and defies what we see in Nature.  Nothing is perfect.  All things can improve and do, both at the species level and - we hope - individually.  This includes you and I as individuals, and human beings as a species.

 

It is rather unlikely that evolution as a workable concept will ever be disproved - it's a bit like gravity, in that whatever name we give it, it remains constant as a physical empirical phenomenon - but if new evidence arises that tells us evolution deserves to be afforded lesser importance than we currently think, then I will accept this.  I follow evidence. 

 

Of course, it could be that the evidence itself is fraudulent, or the methodologies used to obtain the evidence are being abused, or are themselves flawed.  I acknowledge that these things are possible.  Scientific method will change in the future anyway, as knowledge and understanding improves.  In other words, as somebody else on the thread has pointed out, ideas and techniques evolve as much as living things.  Scientific knowledge is only ever provisional and science itself evolves.

 

Before you suggest I am being naive and following conventional wisdom or the sinister dictates of the [NWO/Jews/Freemasons/High Lizard Council], I am not.  I have been speaking with the High Lizard Council about this thread and they assure me that evolution is true......only joking.  In all seriousness, I am sceptical about everything, and scepticism is the cultural basis of true science anyway.  Science needs a hierarchy of authority in which we sometimes have to accept 'arguments from authority', otherwise nothing useful would get done, instead we'd spend all our time arguing with each other; but, the hierarchy must be capable of being upturned at any time in favour of something better.  That, in itself, is a Darwinian idea.  We may say that science-at-large only becomes professionally corruptible when it erodes or rejects its inherent 'darwinism'.

Edited September 24, 2020 by Ecki Divad

[allymisfit]

8 hours ago, alexa said:

No we never evolved from monkeys & the big bang theory is a load of  tripe & yes I believe that the Freemasons are behind pushing this narrative. 

I used to believe in it, but like they say...if we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?

 

I read a while back when I was a student studying Darwin, that he was indeed a Freemason, as was his grandfather.

[alexa]

46 minutes ago, allymisfit said:

I used to believe in it, but like they say...if we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?

 

I read a while back when I was a student studying Darwin, that he was indeed a Freemason, as was his grandfather.

 

Yes allymisfit I can well believe this, as it the Freemasons who push this nonsense.

[Ethel]

Interesting synchronicity; I was thinking about this exact subject last night and this morning. I believe aspects of the theory of evolution are true. Despite debate about whether we are 'evolved' from primates, it is very clear through simple observation that we are at least distantly related. We share the most DNA with the Bonobo Chimpanzee. Their hands, eyes, mannerism and even some behaviors, such as tribalism, are similar to our own.

 

I believe in God also, although conceptualize it slightly differently to most people. It is completely possible to believe that evolution as a force exists and also believe in some creative, generative force in the Universe. Most scientists will even admit that they have no idea what force drives evolution. A particular adaptation has to have advantages, but adaptations take many thousands, if not a million years, to complete. The interesting thing about this is that in order for whatever force drives evolution to create a particular adaptation, that force has to know that there will be a need for that adaptation, which in and of itself suggests intelligent design. Basically, the force which drives evolution knows 'the future', it knows what outcomes are going to occur. If that isn't intelligent design, I'm not sure what is.

 

Evolution is everywhere, we each go through our own individual evolution within the space of one lifetime. When a child touches a hot cooker, burns their finger, and then decides not to touch it again, that learning is a small evolutionary adaptation. Our consciousness goes through an evolution within the space of one lifetime, or several, if you believe in reincarnation. It is impossible for evolution to not exist, although acknowledging this is different to agreeing with every single last aspect of Darwin's theory. He may have been right about some things, wrong about others, although it is interesting to note that the man himself rejected his theories on his deathbed and said a prayer instead.

Edited September 24, 2020 by Ethel

[amy G]

6 hours ago, Ecki Divad said:

Darwinian evolution does not say that 'one species turns into another'.

Darwin knew and even brought this point up in his work, but this is what is believed today and it is what must take place for evolution to be real.

 

Have you watched the video in the OP yet?

[HistoryIsComplex]

"SO NATURE EVOLVED YOU WITH PAPER-THIN SKIN THAT GLOWS IN MOONLIGHT, NO FANGS OR CLAWS, NO FUR, PISS-POOR NIGHT VISION, SWEAT THAT IMMEDIATELY STINKS AND GIVES AWAY WHERE YOU ARE TO ALL PREDATORS, A DEFAULT RUNNING/STANDING POSTURE THAT MAKES YOU INSTANTLY VISIBLE TO ALL PREDATORS IN A RADIUS OF 1Km, NO ABILITY TO FLY, AND PISS POOR CRAWLING, RUNNING, CLIMBING, JUMPING AND SWIMMING ABILITIES COMPARED TO MANY ANIMALS?

 

Geee Sir Charles Darwin... NATURE REALLY FUCKED UP WITH HUMANS DID IT NOT???

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 24, 2020 by HistoryIsComplex

[rideforever]

You can see from people's children that "evolution" does occur at some level.

But I really am not sure what the question is.

What is hiding behind the words Evolution and ID ?
 

Do people think that God made man a great genius and that you'll live forever.  Well doesn't look that way to me and Jesus said that wide is the gate to destruction and most find it.

 

We don't have fangs and claws ... well we do but they are small ... because we don't need them.  You can see a man in a zoo whipping a lion.  That man might be a weak stupid coward.  But the society he is born in and their tools gives him the power to do that.

 

If a community is rightly inspired it activates in the people higher faculties, more reason, more godliness and it shines and then the people grow inside, and they live to their descendants more light inside the community.

If a community is lowly inspired it starts to degrade into barbarity, indulgence, stupidity and leaves for its children an idiotic world.

 

So it's not a question of whether God made everything perfect, or there is a random change called Evolution ... 

 

But unless you feel your own awakeness inside you all you doing is looking outside as if you are not a participant, as if you are not alive.

 

The key to knowing about these things is to feel your own aliveness and see how it functions within yourself.  Notice that you are alive, meaning you have inputs and outputs, you are a conscious engine, you burn food to create movement, air to make emotions, and experiences to create thought ... you are a subtle and complex engine, you are living ... things are flowing inside you ... you are digesting, learning, growing.  Many things.

 

So you can't describe the world as if its some dead boardgame ... you can know by investigating the things in yourself that are alive, seeing them function and so on.

 

[Messenger]

14 hours ago, amy G said:

I would be interested in your thoughts after you have. I believed much like you just a short time ago.

 

This about whether explosions create things and whether even one species has ever turned into another. But more importantly, it is about how easy it for freemasons to get most people believing insanely absurd ideas and calling it 'science.'

Could an orgasm be considered an explosion?   That can create life.

 

How about a volcano? Life can come from an explosion. The Earth has a way of resetting itself and creating life anew. Fortunately I've witnessed a volcano on the big island of Hawaii, not in full explosion but I watched steam and smoke rising from lava flowing into the ocean. I have photos of it around here somewhere.

 

But I get what you are saying regarding freemasons telling lies, but yes I believe that life can come from explosions. Biological matter will always find a way especially in conditions where there is water and sunlight. Even darkness as we have seen with mushrooms.

 

I believe that there is some truth to the galactic wars and planet Niburu. Also, why is there so much Saturn worship by those in power? Because allegedly Saturn was the old sun.

[rideforever]

1 hour ago, Ethel said:

The interesting thing about this is that in order for whatever force drives evolution to create a particular adaptation, that force has to know that there will be a need for that adaptation, which in and of itself suggests intelligent design. Basically, the force which drives evolution knows 'the future', it knows what outcomes are going to occur. If that isn't intelligent design, I'm not sure what is.

 

What you are talking about here is how "intelligence" functions.

Say I am peeling potatoes and I notice that if I peel with longer strokes then it will be faster.

How do know that ... how do I 'intuit' that ?

First probably it seems tiring to do it so I am hunting for a better way.

In my mind I can visualise using longer strokes with my hand, and I can feel through my body that in my visualisation it feels better, more efficient, less tiring.  That conclusion comes from experience, from the sense of the body, from intuition.  These things together.

I don't think we know the future, but our intelligence in some circumstances becomes alive and Objective, meaning it moves closer to perfect knowledge, it starts to channel the Light of Truth.

But it is individuals who are doing it.

So it is neither a theory applied to the universe through Evolution nor a Design that somebody else has designed.

No.

YOU do it.  Individuals do it.

 

Therefore the whole endless conversation about ID vs E is done by people who don't feel their own conscious participation in the unfolding of life.  Meaning the endless discussion through the decades is meaningless because unless you start to feel the Light of Truth within you as you speak, within your ideas, unless that is happening ... nothing you say means anything,  and it is disconnected from reality.

In the same way so many fools are waiting for death.  They have many games they play but it's a sad world, when you have years to use as you choose and you choose only to wait for your own burial.  What kind of people live like that?

Such people as most humans are have betrayed life, they have betrayed themselves.  They choose wrongly.

Choose again, there is still time.

But for everyone eventually the hourglass will be empty.

 

Edited September 24, 2020 by rideforever

[Ethel]

5 minutes ago, rideforever said:

 

But it is individuals who are doing it.

So it is neither a theory applied to the universe through Evolution nor a Design that somebody else has designed.

No.

YOU do it.  Individuals do it.

 

Therefore the whole endless conversation about ID vs E is done by people who don't feel their own conscious participation in the unfolding of life.

 

 I agree; my perspective is that God is a force which moves through everything that exists. That is part of how I conceptualize God.

[rideforever]

7 minutes ago, Ethel said:

 I agree; my perspective is that God is a force which moves through everything that exists. That is part of how I conceptualize God.

 

It may be ... but is this really why people talk of God.  Or is the real question ... how do I become?  How can I be?  What am I ?  How can I ... shine?  How can I live beyond death?  How can I know something larger?
These are not conceptual descriptions, but inner ... powers, inner knowledge, inner contact.  They are living powers, living ... meaning.
They are fire, fire ... burning bright.

[HistoryIsComplex]

God answers most of life's big questions in scripture.

 

But we keep searching for 'answers'.

 

Perhaps God has very openly told us who we are and where we come from.

 

Perhaps he gave us the answers 2000 years ago, and we dismiss them because the 'scriptures are really old'.

Edited September 24, 2020 by HistoryIsComplex

[rideforever]

3 minutes ago, HistoryIsComplex said:

God answers most of life's big questions in scripture.

 

Knowing words is not good enough and not really what is intended.  Reading words off the page ... does not do anything unless you are already in direct contact with God, and that takes place through prayer and the sacraments and practices of the church (in Christianity).  Words do not have any result on their own.

[rideforever]

14 hours ago, Messenger said:

Saturn

I have heard many times such things, but never once any proof or experimentation or any application of such ideas.